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Xehanort's Heartless wasn't a heartless shadow or whatever
He was an existence of a heart
what sora was from the end of KH1 after he turned into a heartless - beginning of KH2 before he forms back with Roxas
While he had Riku's body, sure. But before that? We don't know for sure if he had been truly human or had been in the form of a coherent Heartless, do we? Otherwise he wouldn't have needed a body.
noHell, the only reason Sora didn't need to possess anyone for a body is because Kairi made him a new one, basically.
no.
Xehanort was always an existence of a heart before he even took over Riku's body
"Ansem's Report 12
I have transcended to an existence of only the heart. I should have come back as a Heartless, but there is no sign of such a transformation.
My body has surely perished. However, I am different from the other Heartless, keeping the memories of before, and I have not taken on the form of a Heartless.
It is evident that there are still many things to be studied.
In order to cross over to the dark realm, which is not this world, you must go beyond the door of Kingdom Hearts, the heart of all worlds.
The core connected to the world's heart, the place that will take me to the world of darkness. (I will record the details in another report...)
There are still so many unknown worlds.
The Realm of the Present...The Realm of darkness. The Realm of light.
And, The Realm of in-between.
In which one will I find sanctuary?"
Xehanort definitely had no change when he turned into a heartless 9 years before KH1
He even said himself there was no change in his body, so while he lost his body and soul in the process of becoming a nobody his appearence stayed the same. its probably in those 9 years his body was surely dying down because he had no protection from the darkness and wandering around that close to darkness should have that big of an impact on his body so he needed a new body by the time he reached Destiny Islands anyway
no
Kairi purified the darkness from his body. so since a heartless is an existence of a heart but covered by darkness when kairi cleaned the darkness from him sora had his heart "clean" so he was an existence of a heart
I consider most of KH to be quite logical, but that's going to be another subjective vs subjective stance on rationale, so I'll agree to disagree.True, but when has anything in KH been logical? I mean, yeah, sure that's an old excuse to use, but I think it makes sense why it was there to represent symbolism and what-not. I strongly believe that's why it was there.
See, maybe you didn't, but the one thing I concern myself with above all else when engaging any kind of story is the question, "Why?" Why are characters doing what they're doing? Why is the world constructed in the way it is? Etc. For me, it isn't a matter of WHAT Ansem SoD was doing that confused me, it was why he would have wanted to do it in the first place.I should probably go reread the original reports, but did we need a true, one-line goal sentence to be put in. We knew he wanted darkness, and power, etc. and wanted to blanket the worlds in darkness. And even with the new information we have now, it's entirely possible that was still Ansem SoD's goals.
I think someone else already answered this.Oh no, I know that. But during the original KH did we know he was actually a Heartless for sure? 'Cuz if I had only played it without KH2/CoM I would have thought he was just darkness.
But you're talking about conjecture. Not answers. Another question, though; when Riku's body was restored, why was he in the Realm of Darkness?This is the way I see it - the same way Sora was a Heartless Shadow, perhaps Ansem was in a similar position. Hell, I've seen people theorize that what was under the robe pre-possession was actually Ansem in the form of Guardian because of the similar shaping. And when he possessed, it could just be he used his powers to manipulate Riku's body or darkness to change it or whatever until when the light "killed" him and Riku regained his body.
I am literally only asking questions about what happened in the game. This is why I say it isn't that simple.I dunno, I just never saw it as complicated because even now it doesn't seem complicated. I just think maybe you're looking at it a teentsy bit hard.
I was talking about when the Keyblade leaves Sora for Riku. During KH1, it was only ever speculated that the Keyblade was meant for Riku, and the narrative seemed to deny that even if it ended up being true based on what we learned in later installments.Lol oh yeah, forgot about him not being the original chosen one. And it's evident why the Keyblade left Riku in KH1 - his heart wasn't strong enough whereas Sora's was, so he came out the victor and the Keyblade switched to him. Some people even infer from the scene when Riku's trying to pull Sora into darkness with him that Sora touched Riku's heart (hence the single bright light speckle thing) and that's what allowed him to steal the Keyblade that was meant for Riku.
I agree, but you were the one to bring it up. I was just responding to your statement that him being the chosen one is enough of an answer. You're contradicting yourself. If it's not even relevant to the story, how is it an answer?Again, that was probably open to interpretation. Is not bad to have things like that when it's actually good, whereas it could have been terrible like the KH2 mistranslation Riku said of someone choosing Roxas or something but meant the Keyblade, and said "he" instead of "it". And I always guessed that he meant opening the door to KH itself. Either way, it's not even remotely close to being something to even affect the game's story.
No, he did not. He told Donald and Goofy to search for the one with the key.But he did say he was searching for another "key", no? Therefore it was plausible.
Which is exactly what I said. :3It still answered the question though, albeit not to the outer territory fans who never got FM/never knew of its existence.
Like what? No offense, but the best you've offered me is fan theory and the virtues of leaving things open to interpretation. Hardly proof. x'DI guess it just comes with how minds work. I found KH1 a lot easier to follow than KH2 because despite some of the open ended things, they had proof and other things that could help you infer and connect the dots.
Well, that's my whole point. KH2 was no more confusing than KH1 was. Different people might have different feelings about how the stories were told, but KH1 was not objectively any easier to understand than KH2.KH1's story was well explained and only left things open that would lead to future titles, and even then there was only like two open-ended mysteries. I never saw any open-ended things in KH2 that bothered me that I can remember, but still, the story was, in my opinion, weaker and executed in a very bad way.
The thing about the Rite of Passage is that it's as dependent upon the Keyblade as the Keyblade Master who performs it. The Keyblade has to resonate with the receiver; it's just like Yuffie said, "The Keyblade chooses its master." In KH1, The Keyblade chose Sora because Riku's heart was clearly destabilized and weakened by the darkness, whereas Sora's was not, and also very likely because it sensed a former Keyblade wielder's heart (Ven's) residing within his. If I remember correctly, no one ever said Sora was some kind of "chosen one": only that the Keyblade had chosen him, which was true. This is evidenced further by the battle of hearts Riku and Sora fought in Hollow Bastion; whereas Sora's reluctance to face Riku in battle made his heart initially vulnerable, his willingness to continue to fight for Riku, as well as the network of friends he had connected with throughout his journey, ultimately proved his heart to be the victor.You know there's a lot of this talk of "Riku being the true chosen one", but is that really accurate to say? Of course we don't KNOW the exact legend of the chosen Keyblade Wielder in Kingdom Hearts, but it's not like it was a role specifically given to Riku by the Gods of the KH Universe. Being "the chosen Keyblade Wielder" just seems to be the first person to wield a Keyblade in over a decade (I mean, can you really think of a better explanation of "the chosen"?). Riku WAS the only person to have the Rite of Passage preformed for him, but just because he had the rite preformed does that automatically make him chosen? If that was the case, Terra would have been the chooser of the chosen and... well that doesn't seem right having a teenager pick the chosen of legend.
So, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that fate's intervention is what chose the chosen? Sure, the Keyblade MEANT for Riku went to Sora, but Sora himself WAS the first person in over 10 years to acquire their own Keyblade (Mickey was still using Yen Sid's Star Seeker up until the end of the KH1... and we know he's not the chosen one anyway x[). In the end, it was Sora who became the chosen not by a hand-me-down, but by fate's design. I mean it's not like Sora wasn't worthy of having a Keyblade, he had the ability just as Riku and Kairi did. When it came down to it fate chose him and that is what makes him a chosen of legend.
i.e. Being a "chosen one" isn't a fate you're assigned by some higher being (or even regular person) but is written in the stars themselves, no?
Originally Posted by jmoneydaman
people just admit it.. you hate it because there is no command board (what aver that thing on the side is called) but in bbs and re coded there is. Also KH1 was a more of a hack and slash then 2 , im sure when you first got it and beat it you were in love with the game.
people just admit it.. you hate it because there is no command board (what aver that thing on the side is called) but in bbs and re coded there is. Also KH1 was a more of a hack and slash then 2 , im sure when you first got it and beat it you were in love with the game.
Its below the picture of ViVi in my SignatureWhich one?