I never said that Eraqus was weak. I only said that in a theoretical fight against Xehanort, who has much, much more darkness than Eraqus, he would probably win. Thus, I was again arguing against your claim that a greater amount of light=greater power.
I didn't make myself clear (my fault). Obviously I'm aware Xehanort, one of the most powerful guy in the KH universe, uses darkness. I'm also aware Terra and Riku, do.
But what I meant is that, except for those two, people are either light or darkness, there's not much gray area in KH, Xehanort would see light within himself as a weakness, I think it's just about having a "clear" heart, clear intentions and motivations. Also, Terra and Riku (but especially Terra) demonstrated how dangerous it can get, they lose control of themselves (and it also helps others take advantage of them).
While the darkness gave Terra more "pure strength", it clearly made his heart lose some of his light, he was having more rage, didn't control his own actions, and of course, Xehanort was able to easily exploit that to manipulate him.
If you control the light, or the darkness, you can be as powerful, but having both at the same time is tricky, and besides Riku, nobody has been able to achieve the perfect balance. (and he went through a lot before getting to that point)
Sora's heart was tainted with darkness at the end of DDD and it is a weakness, he's not meant to be both. (so far)
Or at least he's not prepared against it so it IS a problem.
No, I was just saying, once again, that greater light does not equal greater power. I mentioned the Eraqus - Terra fight in order to prove that greater light doesn't equal greater power.
Though, during this battle, Eraqus also had darkness (so he says), and you do not know "how much" light does Terra's heart have. Master Xehanort wanted him to feel bad, to manipulate him, I don't believe for a second what he told Terra. Terra (with Eraqus' help) in the end was outmachting Xehanort's darkness with his light (before he used the keyblade on himself).
You know it was the light since he was actually glowing lol.
And I never said that Terra was weak, necessarily. It's just that in a fight between master and student, the master would usually win. And yet, the student with greater darkness, won. The master with greater light lost. This proves that light= does not equal more power. That's all I was arguing for. Not that Terra was weak.
Both Eraqus and Terra were troubled, Eraqus was acting out of anger (darkness), Terra too, but Terra obviously had stronger darkness. Also, the students are meant to be stronger than the masters after a while ;o .
Terra never fought Vanitas. MX got in the way before Terra could get to him so that Vani could go wreak havoc on Aqua and Ven.
I remember fighting him. If I did, Terra did right ?
I think he was fighting with Xehanort on his sides. Their encounter was stopped by Xehanort though.
As you said, MX went easy on him because, why destroy the vessel you've waited for so long for?
And as I said, he got his ass kicked when got the vessel he was looking for. (he wasn't holding back anymore)
I never said that Riku was necessarily stronger than Sora. I said that it's arguable that he would beat Sora in a fight. Ansem was defeated by Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Riku's heart fighting inside him. Plus Ansem arguably was only a small part of Terra mixed with other random Xehanort bits.
Once again, you mistake light for greater power. Sora does not borrow his friends' light. He borrows their plain power. Not light. Their power.
Ok.
Yes, I have bothered to check out the game. Why else would I be in the Spoilers section? And no. The 13 darknesses are the new Organization XIII. MX made them that way so that they would clash with the "7 protectors" of light and create the X-Blade.
That first sentence makes no sense. The 13 darknesses aren't beings of darkness? Why would they call them the 13 darknesses if they weren't beings of darkness? Them all being Xehanort makes them beings of darkness. Because Xehanort's heart, split up and dispersed between them, is seething with darkness.
I just meant that the only being that has been reaching an incredible power only thanks to Darkness, was Xehanort, all the others never came close to his power. Those 13 members will become Xehanort, that's when they will become the "beings of darkness", powerful enough for whatever he needs. By themselves they weren't anywhere near that power, that's what I meant. I meant on their own. Of course they are going to be since they'll be Xehanorts >_> ...
Nah, he never said that. At least, I haven't seen an interview saying anything about the Master having to be willing. All he said was that if a person at master level holds the Keyblade at the same time as a potential wielder does, it makes that same 'suggestion' to the Keyblade.
All those bad guys these Keyblade Wielders have been touching/slaying are not all necessarily worthy of a Keyblade; Kairi was. Kairi is no different than any other potential wielder besides the fact that she's a Princess of Heart. And it's never been said anywhere that the Keyblade would give her 'special treatment' because of that fact.
Ok again, but if the keyblade can see who is "worthy", I still don't understand why they can't just "test" the heroes they know. Leon, Hercules etc... there's no limit to the "7" so far... Though Xehanort states they will be chosen naturally. Maybe Mickey is wrong (again) and it will be 7 chosen within the keyblade users. They might be chosen for a "final" event or something...
The Keyblade prioritizes power and strength of heart. Not whether they are filled with more light or darkness. I've said this a billion times. Thus, when that Kingdom Key switched over to Sora and chose him over Riku, it was because his heart was stronger than Riku's. And letting darkness in your heart doesn't instantly make you weaker.
But that's the only reason Riku's heart got weaker. Why else ? In the end he was able to master it and became "strong" again, they never implied anything other than darkness was what made his heart weaker than Sora's. Sora's heart started growing only when his journey began, not before (I mean, there was no sudden change for Sora before the incident, unlike Riku).
Think of Terra; Eraqus made that same mistake of assuming Terra was weak because he had let more darkness in during the test, when really he was worth the 'master' title as much as Aqua was and was at the same power level.
He viewed light as absolute. He was wrong. I agree. Though he was not wrong for Terra. Darkness is extremely dangerous and requires a large amount of resistance to it, that you can not get "right away", in the meanwhile, chances are you're going to act badly, and lose some of your heart's strength.
It doesn't matter WHY Riku's heart was weaker. The fact is, is that it was at that moment. Thus, Sora got it instead. As Riku fell into that darkness, if his heart had still been stronger than Sora's, then he would have gotten it anyways I'm sure.
Before being able to use darkness to make your heart stronger, it takes a while, Xehanort was fully dark, and the only person able to master both light and darkness is Riku as of NOW.
On another topic, now that Sora's heart has been weakened, and Riku is in total control, if he were to claim his initial keyblade (cause he thinks dual wielding is kewl), would it leave Sora ? Or did he lose that right when he got a new one ? (or rather, when Sora took it back, which is what made Riku able to get a new one)
Please point me to one if these threads if you cannot explain it. Since I'm so stupid and I 'don't bother to check the game out', it would help my apparently lesser mind.
1) It's been debated since 2002, I'm sure you can look for it
2) I did not say you were stupid
3) Missing out information is not related to a form of intelect deficiency
4) What mattered to our conversation has been stated by both you and sephiroth anyway
I never said that Sora tried to take it back. It itself came back to him when his heart grew in power after Goofy defended him. All those details of the scenes you mention: I never said they never happened. The Keyblade didn't leave Riku because he was filling with darkness. It was because, once again, Sora's heart was greater in power. And the Keyblade went to Sora before Riku turned into Dark Riku, not after. Riku only transformed after he was left with no Keyblade and instead fought with Soul Eater.
I said "again", I meant when he took the keyblade back, right before "goofy defended Sora", Riku actually turned into Dark Riku.
How is it pointless? Because you cannot argue against it?
It's pointless because we have something in a canon game that states otherwise, and there is no proof for that argument.
And Ven's heart went into Sora's after that scene occurred. Their hearts were only connected at that point, and the only thing shared between them was a piece of Sora's heart in order to make sure that Ven was not going to disappear. If anything, Ven was using Sora's power, not Sora using his. Sora only uses Ven's power later on, after he takes in his entire remaining heart.
Bad wording from my part that I auto-corrected in the following answer.
Anyway, what gave Sora the ability to wield was his connexion to Ven, not Ven's heart. Thus the connexion was already made when Aqua met him, it changes nothing about my argument.
Riku reminded Terra of himself. I guess Sora reminded her of Ven. Also, we can't deny their faces look extremely similar.
I'm having a hard time believing how it's possible to think that Sora connecting to Ven was "a small thing" or "just like the others" ...
Hmm, you're assuming that I didn't check out the game. You know what assuming does? It makes an a** out of you and me. As for the segment of dialogue you quoted from Krexia's translations, I cannot argue with that piece. But I swear I read a Nomura interview somewhere that said he only gained dual wielding and possibly some personality traits from Ven. I'll try to find it, but until then, you are correct on this part.
I do not care if I make an a** out of myself. Though accept my apologies if it offended you in any way, I didn't want to.
Well, he's not using Ven's keyblade, the connexion just made him able to be "a candidate" even though he wasn't meant to be. It wouldn't be contradicting those statements I guess.
I never said that he couldn't still borrow his friends' powers. I only hoped that he would be able to rely on himself if he, somehow, was not able to use their powers. Also, I think it would stop people from calling him a 'leecher'. All those powers he gained from those people were not free, necessarily. He helps them out, too. For Ven, he harbored his heart. And soon he's going to probably free Terra, Aqua, Xion, and somehow find a way for Roxas to be a separate being.
Well as Nomura said, they are like "sleeping within Sora's heart" in a way, waiting for him to wake them up. I just hope it's litteral and not that they are kinda dead and just waiting for Sora to have their "will" or something lol .
I guess it would make sense for Sora to "become kick ass" by himself but yeah, it's a tricky zone and it could ruin everything, I liked the "everyone within Sora's heart will help save the universe" better than "Sora was in fact the strongest even without all the others'" but it wouldn't be surprising.
Being resistant to bad emotions would be good for him, too. And I never said he was 'lame'. Sora's my favorite character in the series. Sure, he may be derpy and overly optimistic here and there, but he's the best, IMO.
I just hope he stays this way (even if he was full of "clichés", that's ironically not nearly as widespread as it used to be, so it's actually refreshing and fun), and not the "kick ass / bad ass" style that can do everything on his own :/ ... (cause DDD ends on a negative note for Sora, meaning there will be some change).