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Published on September 16, 2015 @ 01:07 pm
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In case you didn't know, Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue was announced yesterday at Sony's Pre-TGS conference in Japan. Exclusive to the Playstation 4, the collection contains playable versions of both Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance HD and KINGDOM HEARTS 0.2 Birth by Sleep – A Fragmentary Passage –, and a movie of KINGDOM HEARTS χ [chi] Back Cover. 

Famitsu has released 4 pages in their recent magazine pertaining to this collection.

Update (9/19/2015): Thanks to Goldpanner, we have full translations of the scans available! Check them out below:

New Title Scoop

> Three works encompassing every single one of the new titles

The Kingdom Hearts (hereon KH) series, in which a deep story unfolds on a stage of Disney worlds, is seeing new activity!

[Sora: Yeah, it's a promise.]

[Sora - Cheerful and positive, he is the protagonist of the KH series. In KH Dream Drop Distance HD, included in KH2.8, he faces the Mark of Mastery Exam.]

> Stories you ought to know before the final chapter

KH HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue (hereon KH2.8) is a compilation title packed with three important episodes that will connect to the newest numbered title, KH3. The content looks extravagantly deluxe, as it includes a HD remake, a cinematic work and a completely new work.

[Mickey: What you did back then--your mistakes--changed the destinies of three of my friends!]

[Riku: I walk the road to dawn!]

[Riku - Sora's best friend. Despite being cool, he has unusually strong feelings for his friends. His heart was once swallowed by the darkness, but no longer. He is taking the Mark of Mastery exam along with Sora.]

> Chronological range of the compilation

A general timeline of the series is as on the right. KH2.8's KHX Back Cover is set during the same time as KHX and KH Unchained X. The time period portrayed in KH0.2 Birth by Sleep Fragmented Message is unclear, as are the connections. Is there a chance it links to KH3?

KHBBS → KH1 (nine to ten years after)

KH1 → KHDays (during/after endgame events)

KH1 → KHCoM (immediately following)

KHDays → KH2 (immediately following)

KHCoM → KH2 (about one year after)

KH2 → KHCoded (immediately following)

KHCoded → KH3D (immediately following)

KHX/UnX → KHBBS (over one hundred years after)

On this page are images of KH Dream Drop Distance HD. KH3D [Dream Drop Distance] (hereon KH3D), in even higher detail! We will introduce the other two titles on the next page.

> All events are connected

KH2.8 is composed of three works. Let's introduce them. KHHD 1.5 Remix and KHHD 2.5 Remix, which saw the series remade in HD, have already been released, and this title is the last piece of the puzzle needed to complete the story that leads to KH3. Let's play it all the way through and wait for the single conclusion to be depicted in KH3.

> The story of KH0.2 Birth by Sleep Fragmentary Passage

NEW TITLE

Ventus, Terra, Aqua. These three, who were training to become Keyblade Masters, met cruel fates. Ventus fell into a deep, unwaking sleep, as his heart had been broken. Terra had his body stolen through the schemes of Master Xehanort, and his heart vanished somewhere. And Aqua was trapped in the Realm of Darkness, where she fell protecting her friends. These are the things she saw and experienced there...

[Aqua - One of the protagonists of KH Birth by Sleep. A serious woman with the true strength needed to be a Keyblade Master. She fell into the Realm of Darkness protecting her friends.]

This is the sequel to KH Birth by Sleep, which had three Keyblade Wielders serving as the protagonists. We follow the events that one of them, Aqua, experiences as she wanders in the Realm of Darkness. There she had yet-unknown thoughts and meetings.

> The story of KHX Back Cover

CINEMATIC WORK

All the worlds were one, with no distance between them. An age that someday will be called a fairytale world. It began here, in Daybreak Town. He, the Master of Masters, possessed eyes that could see the future. Grieving over the future waiting ahead, he gave five of his six followers a tome of prophecy in which the future was written. Bestowed with copies of the tome of prophecy and having received a mission, the five followers each founded Unions based on His teachings. They gathered Keyblade Wielders like yourselves who were of the same mind, and began to collect the 'light' by defeating monsters of darkness, the Heartless.

> KHX and KH Unchained X

A title in which you can experience for yourself the story leading up to one of the keywords of the KH series, the 'Keyblade War'. KHX is currently open for service on PC browsers. KH Unchained X just began distribution as an iOS and Android app. These two titles are essentially the same in summary, but it seems there are some things in store for us. Let's check them both out!

> The story of KH Dream Drop Distance HD

HD REMAKE

Dreams are connected to other dreams… When you fall into a dream, through that dream you will be connected to the Sleeping Worlds. The worlds that were swallowed by the darkness on your first adventure were reborn. However, they were not reborn completely, and among them are worlds that still lie in sleep. There are no gates that open there, and not even the Heartless have been able to enter. Therefore, instead of the Heartless that come in large numbers from the Realm of Darkness, different beings of darkness inhabit the Sleeping Worlds. We must prepare in order to stand up to the coming calamity. For this reason, Sora and Riku will both take the Mark of Mastery Examination. By unlocking the Sleeping Keyholes, they can gain new powers and set free the Sleeping Worlds. Just as there are seven pure lights, there are seven Sleeping Keyholes - release them and return to this land once more, and they will be recognised as Keyblade Masters.

This is a HD remake of the Nintendo 3DS title KH3D, in which Sora and Riku travel the Sleeping Worlds. It seems as though the gameplay that made use of the 3DS lower screen will be reworked for a single screen without feeling off. We are interested to find out whether there will be new elements.

[C'mon, Musketeers. We've got a princess to rescue.]

Sora and Riku adventure along while a variety of creatures called 'Dream Eaters' lend them a hand. Dream Eaters are your important partners in this title, and you can raise them and play with them. We are happy that we will be able to enjoy their antics on a big screen.

[If this really is a dream, it's going to lie to you to try and make you think it's real.]

 

Update (9/16/2015): Thanks to Australian Riku we have a brief summary of the details in the scans:

KINGDOM HEARTS χ [chi] Back Cover

  • The KHX Back Cover will be completely new and not just taken from the current games

  • It specifically says that it will unravel the many mysteries that surround the origin of the series, so it seems like it will become an episode of great importance.

  • The story synopsis is basically the Chi synopsis, about the Master of Masters, who could see the future and saw great sorrow so he bestowed with his foreseeing eye the Book of Prophecy among 5 of his 6 pupils. They came together to form Unions in order to fight the dark beings (Heartless) and protecting the "light".

  • While it says it's unknown how much work has been put into 2.8 at this moment, it teases saying that since voices were attached to the KHX Back Cover section of the trailer, casting may be complete.

KINGDOM HEARTS 0.2 Birth by Sleep – A Fragmentary Passage –

  • The most interesting thing is a very brief mention of BBS 0.2's story. It says it happens sometime along Aqua's loitering around in the Realm of Darkness, but it is specifically hiding where in the 10 year gap between BBS and KH1 this occurs.
  • While wandering around the Realm of Darkness, Aqua pursues the events that unfold before her. Within this lies never before seen experiences and encounters.

KINGDOM HEARTS Dream Drop Distance HD

  • KH3D seems to have no additions, based solely on what this article is presenting. (Had a read through what it was saying for KH3D again, and it seems there might be new content. They say that the existence of additional components (content) is something people should ponder about (they are sort of implying there might be)

  

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Are you excited for Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue? Read up on all the latest information here!

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Muke

September 16, 2015 @ 03:12 pmOffline

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Mah, just scenes of the trailer. Nothing big, unfortunately.

But I am still excited like never-before!

EDIT: 3 Posts to go and hit the 200! *O*

Chaser

September 16, 2015 @ 03:14 pmOffline

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Muke
Mah, just scenes of the trailer. Nothing big, unfortunately.

But I am still excited like never-before!

EDIT: 3 Posts to go and hit the 200! *O*

The screens of Mickey, Riku in Notre Dame, and the TWEWY gang are new and not from the trailer.

Oracle Spockanort

September 16, 2015 @ 03:18 pmOffline

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My salt at SE giving Famitsu the old Aqua model rather than her new 0.2 model.

Muke

September 16, 2015 @ 03:18 pmOffline

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Chaser
The screens of Mickey, Riku in Notre Dame, and the TWEWY gang are new and not from the trailer.


Oh, truly? My bad. ^ ^°

gosoxtim

September 16, 2015 @ 03:19 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
My salt at SE giving Famitsu the old Aqua model rather than her new 0.2 model.
maybe they dont want to show her face yet and want it to be a surpside when they real at the kingdom hearts fan event

Oracle Spockanort

September 16, 2015 @ 03:22 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
maybe they dont want to show her face yet and want it to be a surpside when they real at the kingdom hearts fan event


Of course that is why. Still doesn't mean I'm not salty about it haha

Sephiroth0812

September 16, 2015 @ 03:22 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
My salt at SE giving Famitsu the old Aqua model rather than her new 0.2 model.


Maybe you can read thoughts as that was exactly my first impression as well when examining the scans, lol.

Nazo

September 16, 2015 @ 03:34 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Of course that is why. Still doesn't mean I'm not salty about it haha


I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't even have a face yet. Had she turned around fully, Aqua would look like Slenderwoman.

Could be wrong but given the early development, it wouldn't surprise me if they only polished/animated what they absolutely had to.

BlackOsprey

September 16, 2015 @ 03:40 pmOffline

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So, this "Back Cover." It's being called a movie. Does that actually mean that we'll have a true movie of sorts, not just an assembly of cutscenes? Will they be using the same visuals that the browser and phone game have been using up to this point, or will it be something we've never seen before?

Out of all of these, I think Back Cover's going to be the least predictable. Because like everything else related to Chi, we know so little about it all. Arrgh...

Chaser

September 16, 2015 @ 03:44 pmOffline

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BlackOsprey
So, this "Back Cover." It's being called a movie. Does that actually mean that we'll have a true movie of sorts, not just an assembly of cutscenes? Will they be using the same visuals that the browser and phone game have been using up to this point, or will it be something we've never seen before?

Out of all of these, I think Back Cover's going to be the least predictable. Because like everything else related to Chi, we know so little about it all. Arrgh...

It's a movie, not an assembly of cutscenes. It will most likely be Unreal Engine 4 because the footage released so far looks completely different to previous games and the art style of X.

robvandam111

September 16, 2015 @ 03:47 pmOffline

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When in 2016 you guys think its going to be released?

Chaser

September 16, 2015 @ 03:49 pmOffline

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robvandam111
When in 2016 you guys think its going to be released?

My guess would be September - December.

Also here's a massive image of the TWEWY gang from ff-reunion.

Muke

September 16, 2015 @ 03:50 pmOffline

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robvandam111
When in 2016 you guys think its going to be released?

Q2/Q3, imo

Rosebudx

September 16, 2015 @ 03:55 pmOffline

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robvandam111
When in 2016 you guys think its going to be released?



I'm banking on late Q3 or Q4, but only so I have time to play it hahaha. More realistically, Q2 or Q3.

Oracle Spockanort

September 16, 2015 @ 04:07 pmOffline

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Nazo
I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't even have a face yet. Had she turned around fully, Aqua would look like Slenderwoman.

Could be wrong but given the early development, it wouldn't surprise me if they only polished/animated what they absolutely had to.


Well, we know that this has been in development for at least 10 months and hopefully they would be using KH3 assets for 0.2 (or vise versa) so I would hope Aqua's model had been one of the first few things completed.

ShardofTruth

September 16, 2015 @ 04:09 pmOffline

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I think it will be Q2~Q3 for the Japanese release and Q4 for the rest of the world.

The diagram on the page 65 is really neat, it's only missing Kingdom Hearts III.

Saken

September 16, 2015 @ 04:45 pmOffline

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Had a brief read through the scans, from what I can tell nothing really new being said, the KHX Back Cover will be completely new and not just taken from the current games, KH3D seems to have no additions, based solely on what this article is presenting.

The most interesting thing is a very brief mention of BBS 0.2's story. It says it happens sometime along Aqua's loitering around in the Realm of Darkness, but it is specifically hiding where in the 10 year gap between BBS and KH1 this occurs.
During this loitering she stumbles across "unknown memories" and an encounter.
The unknown memories intrigues me, while the encounter could be the one with Ansem the Wise, it's very vague and it could mean an encounter with almost anyone.

While it says it's unknown how much work has been put into 2.8 at this moment, it teases saying that since voices were attached to the KHX Back Cover section of the trailer, casting may be complete.

On the topic of that, the voice over in the trailer I think is Chirithy :3

As for release I'm guessing Q3-4 for Japan and a little later (2017 maybe) for the rest

Edit: Had a read through what it was saying for KH3D again, and it seems there might be new content. They say that the existence of additional components (content) is something people should ponder about :) (they are sort of implying there might be)

Lnds500

September 16, 2015 @ 05:01 pmOffline

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I am hoping this 3D screenshot is not a bullshot and this is how the actual game will look like.

Also, if this game has HD textures, they must have been planning to release it in consoles for many years.

Chuman

September 16, 2015 @ 05:01 pmOffline

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Australian Riku
Had a brief read through the scans, from what I can tell nothing really new being said, the KHX Back Cover will be completely new and not just taken from the current games, KH3D seems to have no additions, based solely on what this article is presenting.

The most interesting thing is a very brief mention of BBS 0.2's story. It says it happens sometime along Aqua's loitering around in the Realm of Darkness, but it is specifically hiding where in the 10 year gap between BBS and KH1 this occurs.
During this loitering she stumbles across "unknown memories" and an encounter.
The unknown memories intrigues me, while the encounter could be the one with Ansem the Wise, it's very vague and it could mean an encounter with almost anyone.

While it says it's unknown how much work has been put into 2.8 at this moment, it teases saying that since voices were attached to the KHX Back Cover section of the trailer, casting may be complete.

On the topic of that, the voice over in the trailer I think is Chirithy :3

As for release I'm guessing Q3-4 for Japan and a little later (2017 maybe) for the rest

2017 for NA/EU? that's more reasonable for a III release, especially since 2.8 was announced for a 2016 release date. i see no possible reason for SE to push back the date further.

Saken

September 16, 2015 @ 05:33 pmOffline

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chuman
2017 for NA/EU? that's more reasonable for a III release, especially since 2.8 was announced for a 2016 release date. i see no possible reason for SE to push back the date further.


I agree with you, I'm just putting down worst case so as to not raise my own hopes :P (see how i wrote maybe? :D)

gosoxtim

September 16, 2015 @ 06:29 pmOffline

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i dont think going to push 2.8 for 2017 i mean all it is just a port,cutscene movie and just a cople hours mini game if it was a big scale game like kh3 then yeah i could that happing

Vanitas666

September 16, 2015 @ 06:33 pmOffline

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[*]During this loitering she stumbles across "unknown memories" and an encounter.
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If not XH then I think we might see Master Xehanorts original Nobody, I still think he left one behind.
Of course it will also be awesome if we get to visit Ansem on his first Journey or who knows, all the other 6 disciples.

Launchpad

September 16, 2015 @ 06:50 pmOffline

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Nazo
I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't even have a face yet. Had she turned around fully, Aqua would look like Slenderwoman.

Could be wrong but given the early development, it wouldn't surprise me if they only polished/animated what they absolutely had to.


The game started development in goddamn 2012. It's entering it's fourth year of development. Nothing is early anymore.

hemmoheikkinen

September 16, 2015 @ 07:11 pmOffline

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That HD DDD Riku.... he looks really great! Ooh, and the DDD gang on a big tv with HD glory as well. Can`t wait to fight against YMX on my big tv-screen, it is gonna be awesome!

Hmm, so Aqua stumbled to something interesting in the RoD? I am curious to see who or what it was.

Sdog

September 16, 2015 @ 07:44 pmOffline

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robvandam111
When in 2016 you guys think its going to be released?


I'm thinking Q2/3. Mostly cause I'm still hopeful for a 2.9 release with 1.5 and 2.5 before 3 comes out ;-;.

Hmm, so Aqua stumbled to something interesting in the RoD? I am curious to see who or what it was.


All shall be revealed, 0-0. I'm just curious as to when she meets Ansem. Assuming before for at least some of the game since Aqua looks to still be walking where she was at the end of BBS.

FudgemintGuardian

September 16, 2015 @ 07:57 pmOffline

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The "encounter" could be what gives her these "unknown memories", but it sounds a little more like she finds them laying around. I'm definitely intrigued by this. Maybe this will be how the other scenes from the secret movie will be integrated, but I wouldn't think these would just be drifting around the RoD.

hemmoheikkinen

September 16, 2015 @ 08:37 pmOffline

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All shall be revealed, 0-0. I'm just curious as to when she meets Ansem. Assuming before for at least some of the game since Aqua looks to still be walking where she was at the end of BBS.




Hmm, after wandering for at least ten years in the RoD calculated by the passing of time in the RoL, she stumbles upon Ansem in the Dark Margin. I remember reading that the "moon" they seen in the horizon is actually the realm of light, so maybe she crossed vast distance of the RoD, to end to the "edge" of that world. So Aqua meeting Ansem would be at the very end of 0.2, or that is how I imagined it. Not sure if 0.2 will cover all of her wondering it the RoD or the meeting of Ansem. I think the DDD secret ending also shoved Aqua staring the moon at the beach, so maybe she is just waiting there for now?



The "encounter" could be what gives her these "unknown memories", but it sounds a little more like she finds them laying around. I'm definitely intrigued by this. Maybe this will be how the other scenes from the secret movie will be integrated, but I wouldn't think these would just be drifting around the RoD.




This is a really cool idea! They could very well use this some way.

SentimentOfTruth

September 16, 2015 @ 08:46 pmOffline

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Lnds500
Also, if this game has HD textures, they must have been planning to release it in consoles for many years.

Yeah, I imagine they've been there the whole time. After all, just because the resolution on the 3DS is relatively low doesn't mean the models and whatnot are as well. The textures and models in Days, for example, are surprisingly high quality for the DS' resolution, as shown here.

Still, on the topic of 2.8, I'm awfully excited, if not only from the one screenshot of Aqua. The Realm of Darkness genuinely looks like a painting; the kind of painting you'd see as the background of an animated Disney movie.

RoxasOblivion5

September 16, 2015 @ 09:17 pmOffline

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Please make it for Xbox One T.T i dont wanna buy a PS4(bc i personally dont like them) to play the game before Kingdom Hearts III (which is being put on xbox) so why not 2.8? :(

legosmith311

September 16, 2015 @ 09:44 pmOffline

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The only thing I've seen so far that could be new content in DDD, that I actually haven't heard anyone mention yet, is in one of the snapshots where Riku is linked with 1 or 2 dream eaters fighting the Hunchback of Notre Dam world's boss. At first glance, it looks like the Darkest Fears link style, but if you look closer there's one big difference. In this one Riku has wings, which aren't present in the 3DS version. There is another link style (Rising Wing or something) that does give Riku wings, but then he shouldn't have the claws. I'm curious if this a combination of the two powers or maybe something new?

Hirokey123

September 16, 2015 @ 10:20 pmOffline

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legosmith311
The only thing I've seen so far that could be new content in DDD, that I actually haven't heard anyone mention yet, is in one of the snapshots where Riku is linked with 1 or 2 dream eaters fighting the Hunchback of Notre Dam world's boss. At first glance, it looks like the Darkest Fears link style, but if you look closer there's one big difference. In this one Riku has wings, which aren't present in the 3DS version. There is another link style (Rising Wing or something) that does give Riku wings, but then he shouldn't have the claws. I'm curious if this a combination of the two powers or maybe something new?


I noticed it as well and even did testing to make certain that I wasn't remember incorrectly. Darkest fears doesn't give wings and Rising wing doesn't give claws, you don't gain wings in that battle from being in the air, and the trailer for 2.8 showed regular Rising wing being used. So that picture is impossible unless they've changed the mechanics or visual of darkest fears. It would be cool if they allowed Riku to combine his link styles because it always seemed unfair to me on how Sora gets a massive list of links and dual links while Riku gets a very paltry amount of styles in comparison.

Sandslash

September 16, 2015 @ 10:59 pmOffline

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So, since BBS is some sort of "KH0" and it happens 10 years before "KH1", is it safe to assume BBS 0.2 will take place around 2 years after BBS? Kind of makes sense.

rokudamia2

September 16, 2015 @ 11:18 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
The "encounter" could be what gives her these "unknown memories", but it sounds a little more like she finds them laying around. I'm definitely intrigued by this. Maybe this will be how the other scenes from the secret movie will be integrated, but I wouldn't think these would just be drifting around the RoD.


That was pretty much my thoughts on that line.

I also think the person their referring to is Mickey.

Antifa Lockhart

September 16, 2015 @ 11:47 pmOffline

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SentimentOfTruth


Still, on the topic of 2.8, I'm awfully excited, if not only from the one screenshot of Aqua. The Realm of Darkness genuinely looks like a painting; the kind of painting you'd see as the background of an animated Disney movie.


I'm almost 100% certain that it IS a painting, and not an actual built environment

FudgemintGuardian

September 17, 2015 @ 12:13 amOffline

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rokudamia2
That was pretty much my thoughts on that line.

I also think the person their referring to is Mickey.
It'd make sense. BBSV2 was also supposed to cover his and Riku's time in the RoD and we know they got separated at some point with Riku winding up in Castle Oblivion and Mickey only catching up to him at the end of Reverse/Rebirth. So this could easily be covering what Mickey's been doing during that time. And given how it's stated Mickey is telling the story, it's already implying he was there.

Anagram

September 17, 2015 @ 12:20 amOffline

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Sooooooo.....does this mean Chi/Unchained is skippable now? Wont lie I have little interest in playing the game itself.

Antifa Lockhart

September 17, 2015 @ 12:54 amOffline

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Incognito
Sooooooo.....does this mean Chi/Unchained is skippable now? Wont lie I have little interest in playing the game itself.


"The KHX Back Cover will be completely new and not just taken from the current games"

​I would say...maybe? Probably not?

Anagram

September 17, 2015 @ 01:20 amOffline

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Whiiiich doesn't really answer my question. Up in the air then I guess.

OathkeeperRoxas XIII

September 17, 2015 @ 01:22 amOffline

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Incognito
Whiiiich doesn't really answer my question. Up in the air then I guess.


Back Cover is on the Fartellers point of view, so you have to play Chi/Unchained to under outside thier point of vewi.

shuyin_zer0

September 17, 2015 @ 01:52 amOffline

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RoxasOblivion5
Please make it for Xbox One T.T i dont wanna buy a PS4(bc i personally dont like them) to play the game before Kingdom Hearts III (which is being put on xbox) so why not 2.8? :(


You prefer inferior hardware? You won't regret making the switch.

Oracle Spockanort

September 17, 2015 @ 01:57 amOffline

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Incognito
Whiiiich doesn't really answer my question. Up in the air then I guess.


Then I'll clear it up. You need both.

Michael Mario

September 17, 2015 @ 02:00 amOffline

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Incognito
Whiiiich doesn't really answer my question. Up in the air then I guess.


From what I can tell: no and yes. No, you're still going to need to [chi]/Unchained to get both sides of the story, but yes, you probably can skip the game if you'd like since it seems Back Cover will have all the information relevant to Kingdom Hearts III since it's told from the perspective of the Foretellers.

Saken

September 17, 2015 @ 02:27 amOffline

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You need all of them to understand the story completely. Since Back Cover will be from the foreteller's perspective, the general chi story will probably be covered but the occurrences in each world and most especially what happens in Daybreak Town from the player's perspective would most likely not be covered.
Though I really don't think they would exclude the main details from Back Cover as a lot of players who aren't really diehard won't have any idea about the story of chi and unchained :3

kupo1121

September 17, 2015 @ 03:20 amOffline

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Tinny
I'm almost 100% certain that it IS a painting, and not an actual built environment


Yeah, I'm partial to it being a painting at the moment. When I first saw it it didn't fully look like a painting (cause the glowing portions made me think there was movement), but especially if you look at the spiky portions of the walkway to the sides of Aqua, those don't look real at all.

Incognito
Whiiiich doesn't really answer my question. Up in the air then I guess.


WE HAVE THE INTERNET! NOTHING IS NECESSARY!!!!!

Nazo

September 17, 2015 @ 03:28 amOffline

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My take on it is that Back Cover will be "everything you need to know for KH3" whereas Unchained X will have it all in further detail, while also allowing you to actually experience it as one of the Keyblade wielders.

Lonbilly

September 17, 2015 @ 03:30 amOffline

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On the subject of Aqua possibly encountering Mickey, I could easily see them integrating her meeting him right after KH1 but before CoM. Mickey took forever and a half to get out of the RoD to Riku, and who's to say it wasn't because of Aqua or something? Especially since he arrived directly there, and who do we know that created the damn Castle he went to?

I personally would like to see something a tad more exciting, however. Especially if it is MX's Nobody, as someone else suggested.

Nazo

September 17, 2015 @ 05:34 amOffline

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Lonbilly
On the subject of Aqua possibly encountering Mickey, I could easily see them integrating her meeting him right after KH1 but before CoM. Mickey took forever and a half to get out of the RoD to Riku, and who's to say it wasn't because of Aqua or something? Especially since he arrived directly there, and who do we know that created the damn Castle he went to?

I personally would like to see something a tad more exciting, however. Especially if it is MX's Nobody, as someone else suggested.


Now that I think about it, wasn't Mickey telling Riku multiple times that he was taking care of business in the RoD and would be to Castle Oblivion ASAP? If said business ends up being a rendezvous with Aqua, that'd be genius.

Saken

September 17, 2015 @ 05:07 pmOffline

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Hey guys, don't kill me but the bit about Aqua and the "unknown memories" I interpreted a bit incorrectly.

A more correct way to put it would be "While wandering around the Realm of Darkness, Aqua pursues the events that unfold before her. Within this lies never before seen experiences and encounters."
Which is a very vague summary which isn't exactly anything we didn't already know :D

So this isn't specifically talking about a single encounter, and I don't think it has anything to do with attaining memories from somebody else.

Another thing to note is that while the timeline diagram they supply states that BBS0.2 directly links to KH1, meaning it will fit somewhere in that 10 year gap, however according to the information on the left of the timeline, the position of BBS0.2 in the timeline is temporary and is meant to be unclear. It states that "there's also the possibility that it is linked to KH3". They want to keep where in the timeline this episode occurs as a mystery for now.
So, this does not mean that it takes place in the 10 year gap. It could potentially take place after KH3D also.

Sorry for those inaccuracies, it was late and I was just quickly skimming through it ^^;

Michael Mario

September 17, 2015 @ 05:22 pmOffline

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Hey guys, don't kill me but the bit about Aqua and the "unknown memories" I interpreted a bit incorrectly.

A more correct way to put it would be "While wandering around the Realm of Darkness, Aqua pursues the events that unfold before her. Within this lies never before seen experiences and encounters."
Which is a very vague summary which isn't exactly anything we didn't already know :D

So this isn't specifically talking about a single encounter, and I don't think it has anything to do with attaining memories from somebody else.

Another thing to note is that while the timeline diagram they supply states that BBS0.2 directly links to KH1, meaning it will fit somewhere in that 10 year gap, however according to the information on the left of the timeline, the position of BBS0.2 in the timeline is temporary and is meant to be unclear. It states that "there's also the possibility that it is linked to KH3". They want to keep where in the timeline this episode occurs as a mystery for now.
So, this does not mean that it takes place in the 10 year gap. It could potentially take place after KH3D also.

Sorry for those inaccuracies, it was late and I was just quickly skimming through it ^^;


This seems to imply that Aqua's going to somehow get glimpses of the events of in the Realm of Light we haven't seen before during her time trekking through the hellscape that is the Realm of Darkness. The previous translation implied the same, but this one makes things less precise- which somehow makes the implications of what she'll find less vague. That statement shouldn't make any sense, but that's Kingdom Hearts for you.

Face My Fears

September 17, 2015 @ 07:30 pmOffline

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I hope that they remove the forced "Drop" feature in KH3D, so that it is optional when you want to drop. I don't want to be in a boss fight and have to start over because of the drop.

Absent

September 17, 2015 @ 07:35 pmOffline

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I hope that they remove the forced "Drop" feature in KH3D, so that it is optional when you want to drop. I don't want to be in a boss fight and have to start over because of the drop.


Just replayed DDD weeks ago and the game has plenty of Drop Me Not(They're also available early in the shop). If we can play all Kingdom Hearts games strategically then DDD should not be exempted. The only time I found dropping to be an issue was with Riku and the Mantis from the Grid which has an attack that raises the Drop Gauge. The tools are there buddy.

BufferAqua

September 17, 2015 @ 07:36 pmOffline

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Absent
Just replayed DDD weeks ago and the games has plenty of Drop Me Not. If we can play all Kingdom Hearts games strategically then DDD should not be exempted. The only time i found dropping to be an issue was with Riku and the Mantis from the Grid which has an attack that raises the Drop Gauge. The tools are there buddy.

Never had an issue with the Drop system either (Except with that Mantis boss, too). I always keep Drop-Me-Nots and have an open mind when or when not to use 'em. I don't understand why the Drop system was necessary, though.

hlc1988

September 17, 2015 @ 08:13 pmOffline

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Nazo
Now that I think about it, wasn't Mickey telling Riku multiple times that he was taking care of business in the RoD and would be to Castle Oblivion ASAP? If said business ends up being a rendezvous with Aqua, that'd be genius.


But if Mickey met Aqua during CoM, then why didn't she escape with him?

FudgemintGuardian

September 17, 2015 @ 08:30 pmOffline

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Hey guys, don't kill me but the bit about Aqua and the "unknown memories" I interpreted a bit incorrectly.

A more correct way to put it would be "While wandering around the Realm of Darkness, Aqua pursues the events that unfold before her. Within this lies never before seen experiences and encounters."
Which is a very vague summary which isn't exactly anything we didn't already know :D

So this isn't specifically talking about a single encounter, and I don't think it has anything to do with attaining memories from somebody else.

Another thing to note is that while the timeline diagram they supply states that BBS0.2 directly links to KH1, meaning it will fit somewhere in that 10 year gap, however according to the information on the left of the timeline, the position of BBS0.2 in the timeline is temporary and is meant to be unclear. It states that "there's also the possibility that it is linked to KH3". They want to keep where in the timeline this episode occurs as a mystery for now.
So, this does not mean that it takes place in the 10 year gap. It could potentially take place after KH3D also.

Sorry for those inaccuracies, it was late and I was just quickly skimming through it ^^;
Nah, it's fine.
So no memory stuff then. I'm still thinking this will take place during KHI through CoM due to the original plan of BBSV2 also being about Mickey and Riku's time in the RoD, but I'm also now wondering if 0.2 will actually take place during the whole series.

Sephiroth0812

September 17, 2015 @ 09:21 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
Nah, it's fine.
So no memory stuff then. I'm still thinking this will take place during KHI through CoM due to the original plan of BBSV2 also being about Mickey and Riku's time in the RoD, but I'm also now wondering if 0.2 will actually take place during certain parts from the whole series.


Time the the RoD flows veeeery slow according to Nomura, so while Aqua might be trekking around for only a week or so inside it, it is entirely possible that in the Realm of Light the whole timespan from the end of BBS up to the start of DDD goes by.

Anagram

September 18, 2015 @ 03:23 amOffline

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^ So basically sleep realm=no flow of time, dark realm=slow flow of time, light realm=normal time but varies to world?
If KH has a god of time then I pity him for his position. haha

Nazo

September 18, 2015 @ 03:42 amOffline

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hlc1988
But if Mickey met Aqua during CoM, then why didn't she escape with him?


That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

Sephiroth0812
Time the the RoD flows veeeery slow according to Nomura, so while Aqua might be trekking around for only a week or so inside it, it is entirely possible that in the Realm of Light the whole timespan from the end of BBS up to the start of DDD goes by.


Precisely. That's why Aqua looks the same despite 10 years passing in the RoL. To her, it wasn't even close to that long. So, we may very well experience Aqua's perspective of the entire KH series post-BBS in 0.2

Hirokey123

September 18, 2015 @ 06:57 amOffline

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BufferAndLoad
Never had an issue with the Drop system either (Except with that Mantis boss, too). I always keep Drop-Me-Nots and have an open mind when or when not to use 'em. I don't understand why the Drop system was necessary, though.


If I recall correctly it was to address the complaint on BBS's story being so fragmented so DDD didn't repeat that mistake, and they even said it was a well received solution on that front. I mean the plot definitely comes out more coherently when you can freely flip between the stories happening, having the worlds accessed in the same order also does wonders.

From a gameplay perspective though I think the mechanic did a good job at making up for the two being split. I mean that's sort of the beauty of the system even though they are in different worlds it's not really a solo adventure. They are able to help one another by giving each other temporary boosts through drop bonuses so it's like Sora and Riku are constantly looking out for one another. Personally I really liked the drop system's ability because those boosts were seriously helpful. Especially the poorly named affinity boost which when coupled with food let you grind up hundreds of LP in a minute.

Audo

September 18, 2015 @ 07:02 amOffline

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Yeah I actually really liked the Drop system and definitely thought it was better than BBS' approach. Never bothered me at all. I think the people for whom it really bothered never really bothered to look into Drop-Me-Nots (or Drop-Me-Nevers) or the fact that one of the bonuses is being able to choose a slower Drop gauge. I literally never had a problem with the system dropping me in the middle of a boss battle, for example.

Hirokey123

September 18, 2015 @ 07:24 amOffline

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Another thing people a lot of time overlook is Break Time which might be one of the best commands for Sora. It can fully heal your entire party, instantly max the link gauges of your active dream eaters, or fully restore the drop gauge. Sure the effect you get is random but the recharge isn't bad with some hastes, it only takes up one slot, and with it you basically never have to think about a drop-me-not ever again. I'm actually replaying DDD as we speak and I've got through 4 worlds now as Sora never needing even one drop-me-not because of it. I can also spam his link attacks as much as I want which is nice. I know it might be too much to hope for but I hope one of the changes they think about doing for DDD HD is letting Riku use break time as well.

Audo

September 18, 2015 @ 07:28 amOffline

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I was so disappointed when Riku didn't have a breaktime. That was my favourite command from BBS and I wanted to see what dorky/hot thing he would do. TURNS OUT NOTHING.

Sephiroth0812

September 18, 2015 @ 09:00 amOffline

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Incognito
^ So basically sleep realm=no flow of time, dark realm=slow flow of time, light realm=normal time but varies to world?
If KH has a god of time then I pity him for his position. haha


Yea, the connections between characters is not the only thing that's complicated in the KH verse, so I'd say many possible "gods" are to pity in that universe.
Going by the premise that in KH "death" seems to be a sort glorified longer sleep, I could imagine a situation like this:

Goddess of Time: "Jeeeez...keeping track of all those different time flows in worlds and realms is so exhausting and if you mess up some of them there's an even bigger mess. And don't get me started on some of those pesky mortals who insist on time-travelling!"
God of Death: "Tell me about it. For me it's like I'm running a giant hotel where everyone sleeps until someone else comes around to wake them up, yet no one ever pays for the service. It's getting more and more annoying since recently more of those indeed pesky mortals came to know about which number to call to wake someone up they want back."
Goddess of Birth and Creation: "Look at you two bitching over trivialities. I've had several instances recently where the mortals simply forego me and give birth to new hearts and individuals themselves by spawning them from their own hearts or form them from some memories."
Goddess of Time: "What are you complaining about? This should make things easier for you, should it not? In the mortal's world this would be called "outsourcing"."

Nazo
That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

Precisely. That's why Aqua looks the same despite 10 years passing in the RoL. To her, it wasn't even close to that long. So, we may very well experience Aqua's perspective of the entire KH series post-BBS in 0.2


And most likely one of the central things to be showcased in BBS 0.2, provided Mickey really met her in person at all.

Indeed, and by including occasional scenes of other characters and locations (as they already did in DDD) we would get a pointer at to where exactly we are on the timeline post-BBS right now.
The very last scene I could imagine is then Aqua meeting Ansem the Wise shortly after KH 2, closing the circle to Blank Points.

Audo
Yeah I actually really liked the Drop system and definitely thought it was better than BBS' approach. Never bothered me at all. I think the people for whom it really bothered never really bothered to look into Drop-Me-Nots (or Drop-Me-Nevers) or the fact that one of the bonuses is being able to choose a slower Drop gauge. I literally never had a problem with the system dropping me in the middle of a boss battle, for example.


Can only agree with that. When playing DDD, I never got dropped when I didn't want to except of course forced story-drops.
By refilling the Drop Gauge directly before facing the Boss you have enough time at hand even for Bosses.

Audo
I was so disappointed when Riku didn't have a breaktime. That was my favourite command from BBS and I wanted to see what dorky/hot thing he would do. TURNS OUT NOTHING.


Every major character should have a Break Time and do something elegant or hilarious with it.
Maybe even the villains:
Master Xehanort's break time would probably be extended finger wiggling while Xemnas practices Skyscraper throwing.

FudgemintGuardian

September 18, 2015 @ 03:22 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812
Time the the RoD flows veeeery slow according to Nomura, so while Aqua might be trekking around for only a week or so inside it, it is entirely possible that in the Realm of Light the whole timespan from the end of BBS up to the start of DDD goes by.
And not only that, but, theoretically, while we don't know specifically on how slow the RoD's time axis is, do to it there's a chance there could be survivors from the Keyblade war era.

Alpha Baymax

September 18, 2015 @ 07:52 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
And not only that, but, theoretically, while we don't know specifically on how slow the RoD's time axis is, do to it there's a chance there could be survivors from the Keyblade war era.


Possibly, all of the Foretellers have stayed in the Realm of Darkness and have felt so guilty of their selfishness in getting light that darkness manifests and take over their hearts essentially making them perfect Xehanort vessels.

Audo

September 18, 2015 @ 07:56 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
And not only that, but, theoretically, while we don't know specifically on how slow the RoD's time axis is, do to it there's a chance there could be survivors from the Keyblade war era.

Eh. I guess it is technically possible? But it seems a bit much to me, lol. If anything they probably became Heartless over the thousands of years since the War.

Anagram

September 19, 2015 @ 02:16 amOffline

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Sephiroth0812
Yea, the connections between characters is not the only thing that's complicated in the KH verse, so I'd say many possible "gods" are to pity in that universe.

There's either thousands of gods holding the same job for different areas or thousands of Joshua's haha.....oh glob what if they're all Joshuas!?

Going by the premise that in KH "death" seems to be a sort glorified longer sleep, I could imagine a situation like this:

Goddess of Time: "Jeeeez...keeping track of all those different time flows in worlds and realms is so exhausting and if you mess up some of them there's an even bigger mess. And don't get me started on some of those pesky mortals who insist on time-travelling!"
God of Death: "Tell me about it. For me it's like I'm running a giant hotel where everyone sleeps until someone else comes around to wake them up, yet no one ever pays for the service. It's getting more and more annoying since recently more of those indeed pesky mortals came to know about which number to call to wake someone up they want back."
Goddess of Birth and Creation: "Look at you two bitching over trivialities. I've had several instances recently where the mortals simply forego me and give birth to new hearts and individuals themselves by spawning them from their own hearts or form them from some memories."
Goddess of Time: "What are you complaining about? This should make things easier for you, should it not? In the mortal's world this would be called "outsourcing"."

Joshua: *laughs arrogantly at all their problems* Why dont you guys make a 'game' out of it?
Goddess of Time: "I did in one world. I made an ocarina that let a not-elf kid warp time."
Mr H: *makes some graffiti while sipping coffee*

FudgemintGuardian
And not only that, but, theoretically, while we don't know specifically on how slow the RoD's time axis is, do to it there's a chance there could be survivors from the Keyblade war era.

KH3 plot twist. *no srsly posts like this have come true before*

Audo
Eh. I guess it is technically possible? But it seems a bit much to me, lol. If anything they probably became Heartless over the thousands of years since the War.

*remembers another "heartless" from KH1* Oh dear glob....

Nazo

September 19, 2015 @ 03:23 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax
Possibly, all of the Foretellers have stayed in the Realm of Darkness and have felt so guilty of their selfishness in getting light that darkness manifests and take over their hearts essentially making them perfect Xehanort vessels.


This is totally going to be what happens, isn't it?

Keyblade War, world consumed by darkness, only fragments of the world return due to pure lights, most left in darkness, Foretellers trapped in Realm of Darkness, and they're still in relatively decent health due to RoD time flow.

If not that, something similar to it will happen. It makes too much sense to not happen.

Oracle Spockanort

September 19, 2015 @ 03:37 pmOffline

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I won't make an article for this because its shady making an article about a magazine that hasn't even released yet (and a longer summary will likely come out soon enough), but from an interview leak, it appears Nomura confirms that 2.8 will use KH3 tech, 0.2 was planned to be the at the beginning of KH3.

https://twitter.com/aibo_ac7/status/645234765340127232

Translation thanks to goldpanner!:

"content from interview w/ tetsuya nomura - seems like KHHD 2.8 FCP all use KH3 techniques - KH 0.2 BbS includes KH3 element and is closely tied to KH3 - KH 0.2 BbS was originally planned to be put into the beginning of KH3, etc. in long-form in interview (leaked GK)"

Please be excited for next week!

OathkeeperRoxas XIII

September 19, 2015 @ 03:44 pmOffline

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Didn't most people specualted KH3 would have a prolouge playing as Aqua or Kairi awhile back?

Nazo

September 19, 2015 @ 04:05 pmOffline

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OathkeeperRoxas XIII
Didn't most people specualted KH3 would have a prolouge playing as Aqua or Kairi awhile back?


Kairi, yes. I don't think many people guessed we'd be playing as Aqua at the beginning of the game, though.

Oracle Spockanort

September 19, 2015 @ 06:12 pmOffline

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So besides the interview that will be coming next week, Goldpanner has translated most of the scans. Most interesting (read: weird) part is that it says chi is only over 100 years in the past of BBS. This seems like an error by the magazine...

Check it out on the main site or in the thread OP:

Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Featured in Famitsu - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider

FudgemintGuardian

September 19, 2015 @ 09:20 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Most interesting (read: weird) part is that it says chi is only over 100 years in the past of BBS. This seems like an error by the magazine...
Please be an error. It makes no sense for Chi to take place only 100 years ago.

Audo

September 19, 2015 @ 09:24 pmOffline

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Well it says "(over one hundred years after)", meaning KHx takes place at least 100 years before BBS. They're likely just playing it safe with a low estimate.

Oracle Spockanort

September 19, 2015 @ 10:07 pmOffline

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Over 100 years is such a bad lowball estimate, though, especially when you think of how Xehanort is at least 80 and so was Kairi's grandma.

They could have been safe with saying over 500 years or 1000 years and still have been closer to the mark than over 100. xD

Can't say "The ancient Keyblade War, over 100 years ago..."

Audo

September 19, 2015 @ 10:07 pmOffline

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The Ancient Keyblade War of Legend from last spring....

Oracle Spockanort

September 19, 2015 @ 10:56 pmOffline

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SO I DUN GOOF'D

GP finished translating them already xD I was just too sleepy to notice xD

Sephiroth0812

September 21, 2015 @ 08:56 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
And not only that, but, theoretically, while we don't know specifically on how slow the RoD's time axis is, do to it there's a chance there could be survivors from the Keyblade war era.


We only know that it is very slow as Aqua did not age physically while in the outside world a decade went by. So this is not even that farfetched at all.

Alpha Baymax
Possibly, all of the Foretellers have stayed in the Realm of Darkness and have felt so guilty of their selfishness in getting light that darkness manifests and take over their hearts essentially making them perfect Xehanort vessels.


So you think about a sort of self imposed exile the Foretellers choose as they went down together with the true KH at the end of the war?

Incognito
There's either thousands of gods holding the same job for different areas or thousands of Joshua's haha.....oh glob what if they're all Joshuas!?

Joshua: *laughs arrogantly at all their problems* Why dont you guys make a 'game' out of it?
Goddess of Time: "I did in one world. I made an ocarina that let a not-elf kid warp time."
Mr H: *makes some graffiti while sipping coffee*

Wasn't Joshua just the "operator" for Shibuya/Tokyo anyways? So there being very many Composers (probably not all Joshuas though) is not really that farfetched.
IF they were all Joshuas though they would make Sora and his spawned "offsprings" as well as Xehanort look tame in comparison.
Sora: Let's see, I have a Nobody and a Replica made after me which identifies as female, connected with one guy who's also very simlar to me and have a dark-colored twin made from that guy's Darkness, that's 4.
Xehanort: Bitch please, I have 13.
Joshua: Pfft, amateurs, I have more than 1000.

Sora: o_0
Xehanort: >__<
Riku: *facepalms*
Neku: *gets a heart attack*

Thinking of Joshua being an arrogant jerkass somehow makes me wanting him to make an appearance in Olympus Coliseum and have several scenes with Hades.
I'd assume those scenes would be really amusing.

Incognito

KH3 plot twist. *no srsly posts like this have come true before*


*remembers another "heartless" from KH1* Oh dear glob....


In before a callback to KH 1 with another mass revival, only that at the end of KH III instead of countless worlds Sora brings back all those who perished in the first Keyblade War by freeing their hearts alongside those mentioned in Blank Points.
<__<

Master Spockanort
So besides the interview that will be coming next week, Goldpanner has translated most of the scans. Most interesting (read: weird) part is that it says chi is only over 100 years in the past of BBS. This seems like an error by the magazine...


They probably just forgot one or two 0s at the end.
over 1000 or over 10000 years is a much better estimate and would also fill the moniker of "ancient".

Anagram

September 21, 2015 @ 11:58 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

So you think about a sort of self imposed exile the Foretellers choose as they went down together with the true KH at the end of the war?

I could see it when you word it like that...."choosing to to remain with what's left of the world they ruined" or something to effect.

Sephiroth0812
Wasn't Joshua just the "operator" for Shibuya/Tokyo anyways? So there being very many Composers (probably not all Joshuas though) is not really that farfetched.
IF they were all Joshuas though they would make Sora and his spawned "offsprings" as well as Xehanort look tame in comparison.
Sora: Let's see, I have a Nobody and a Replica made after me which identifies as female, connected with one guy who's also very simlar to me and have a dark-colored twin made from that guy's Darkness, that's 4.
Xehanort: Bitch please, I have 13.
Joshua: Pfft, amateurs, I have more than 1000.

Sora: o_0
Xehanort: >__<
Riku: *facepalms*
Neku: *gets a heart attack*

Thinking of Joshua being an arrogant jerkass somehow makes me wanting him to make an appearance in Olympus Coliseum and have several scenes with Hades.
I'd assume those scenes would be really amusing.

Joshua was the "composer" while Mr H, an angel, was the "producer". Despite that Joshua himself still possessed godlike power that could destroy Shibuya itself should he choose. *not arguing the point just like to talk about TWEWY* 8D
Them all literally being Joshua was more of a joke haha. The game implied the role of 'composer' can be earned or taken so I'd say there are many different beings in that position.

lol The heart attack that finally kills Xehanort.

Joshua plus Hades scenes would be awesome as anything they could possibly do! o_o

Sephiroth0812
In before a callback to KH 1 with another mass revival, only that at the end of KH III instead of countless worlds Sora brings back all those who perished in the first Keyblade War by freeing their hearts alongside those mentioned in Blank Points.
<__<

Ya know it's coming~

Sephiroth0812

September 22, 2015 @ 09:31 amOffline

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Incognito
I could see it when you word it like that...."choosing to to remain with what's left of the world they ruined" or something to effect.


Joshua was the "composer" while Mr H, an angel, was the "producer". Despite that Joshua himself still possessed godlike power that could destroy Shibuya itself should he choose. *not arguing the point just like to talk about TWEWY* 8D
Them all literally being Joshua was more of a joke haha. The game implied the role of 'composer' can be earned or taken so I'd say there are many different beings in that position.

lol The heart attack that finally kills Xehanort.

Joshua plus Hades scenes would be awesome as anything they could possibly do! o_o


Ya know it's coming~


Either that or the surviving children possibly even banished them there with a "you have caused enough damage as is, out of our sights, scumbags!"-reasoning.
And yet I'm wondering how flowerboy plays into all this...

Joshua is however smug enough that I could see him getting some delight in an "army" of Joshuas, lol.

Xehanort would get his own smugness smeared back into his face if Joshua would really take him on seriously.
Xehanort: I swore to live and see what lies beyond the Keyblade War...
Joshua: Nope! *blasts Xehanort to pieces with a Jesus Beam*
Sora: That was supposed to be our Grand Finale.
Joshua: Hee hee, shut up and walk, dear.
;P

Anagram

September 22, 2015 @ 01:31 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812
Either that or the surviving children possibly even banished them there with a "you have caused enough damage as is, out of our sights, scumbags!"-reasoning.
And yet I'm wondering how flowerboy plays into all this...

Joshua is however smug enough that I could see him getting some delight in an "army" of Joshuas, lol.

Xehanort would get his own smugness smeared back into his face if Joshua would really take him on seriously.
Xehanort: I swore to live and see what lies beyond the Keyblade War...
Joshua: Nope! *blasts Xehanort to pieces with a Jesus Beam*
Sora: That was supposed to be our Grand Finale.
Joshua: Hee hee, shut up and walk, dear.
;P

That's also possible. I wonder why the children kept the keyblade in play. Repurpose or not it's still dangerous.

Flowerboy is either like Hades and deity to one world or is just one being in a vast network. Given TWEWYs multiverse angle probably the latter.

lol Jesus beam~

Sephiroth0812

September 22, 2015 @ 02:18 pmOffline

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Incognito
That's also possible. I wonder why the children kept the keyblade in play. Repurpose or not it's still dangerous.

Flowerboy is either like Hades and deity to one world or is just one being in a vast network. Given TWEWYs multiverse angle probably the latter.

lol Jesus beam~


That's a good question actually. Normally I'd tempted to say that they're still children and thus may not really fully understand the man-made Keyblades' full true role in the whole calamity, but knowing that this is KH that answer would be too simple.
There's also the new "security system" to keep in mind that was apparently put in place to stabilize the "restored" world which by definition seems to be only a fraction of the original world's size anyways (as in many small worlds existing as "dots" in the Realm of Light with a big chunk (the lanes between) being still "flooded" by Darkness from the end of the Keyblade War). The X-blade and the true KH were both lost and while the seven Princesses were "created" to act as an substitute for the KH they also needed another replacement for the lost X-blade or at least for something to take on its function.
Then there's also the possibility of the children simply seeing the Keyblades themselves as largely neutral despite being originally crafted for evil as even during the period of the great war there were individuals who were using it for good.

Just for the record so there are no misunderstandings: With "Flowerboy" I was actually referring to Ephemera in that paragraph, not Joshua. ;)

That was the term I was initially introduced to when learning that Josh has a second "attack mode" in the TWEWYY-game proper. :P

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September 22, 2015 @ 04:13 pmOffline

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That's a good question actually. Normally I'd tempted to say that they're still children and thus may not really fully understand the man-made Keyblades' full true role in the whole calamity, but knowing that this is KH that answer would be too simple.

Or maybe they thought that a weapon, even if it was crafted by someone with bad intentions and enabled a lot of destruction, can't be inherently evil itself. And whether the Keyblades existed or not, the Heartless would still be very much existent. Without a Keyblade to keep them at bay in the case of a Heartless invasion, the worlds could easily be destroyed with impunity.

And, like every single weapon ever created, the Keyblade can be used for good, as well as evil. It can enable its wielders to destroy the primal darkness zombies, keep the worlds in balance, and prevent the complete destruction of the universe. It also can allow them to spread chaos everywhere and steal other people's bodies, as well as aid them in the complete destruction of the universe. What it's capable of, and whether it's a weapon of good or evil, depends entirely on the wielder. It's just like the Force~!

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September 23, 2015 @ 12:54 amOffline

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That's a good question actually. Normally I'd tempted to say that they're still children and thus may not really fully understand the man-made Keyblades' full true role in the whole calamity, but knowing that this is KH that answer would be too simple.
There's also the new "security system" to keep in mind that was apparently put in place to stabilize the "restored" world which by definition seems to be only a fraction of the original world's size anyways (as in many small worlds existing as "dots" in the Realm of Light with a big chunk (the lanes between) being still "flooded" by Darkness from the end of the Keyblade War). The X-blade and the true KH were both lost and while the seven Princesses were "created" to act as an substitute for the KH they also needed another replacement for the lost X-blade or at least for something to take on its function.
Then there's also the possibility of the children simply seeing the Keyblades themselves as largely neutral despite being originally crafted for evil as even during the period of the great war there were individuals who were using it for good.

Children, while not usually able to see the complexity or bigger picture, do tend to see things for their simplest value. For instance an adult would want to know why, how and when you did something like steal or murder.
A child however usually only sees that you did a bad thing and that it's not right. How, why or when mean nothing to you committing that act itself

So in that vein I'd say even children would be fully aware that the keyblade caused their problems along with people.
"Child" is also a term varying of culture so given the complexity of the 'security' I'd say that at least a few were older children or at least highly intelligent. (assuming they were literal children and now a group like 'the children of light' or something)

You probably hit the nail on the head with needing an Xblade replacement. If they needed something to replace kingdom hearts then it's reasonable to think they'd need to replace it's counterpart. Repurposing a keyblade would be an easy solution to that problem.

BlackOsprey
Or maybe they thought that a weapon, even if it was crafted by someone with bad intentions and enabled a lot of destruction, can't be inherently evil itself. And whether the Keyblades existed or not, the Heartless would still be very much existent. Without a Keyblade to keep them at bay in the case of a Heartless invasion, the worlds could easily be destroyed with impunity.

And, like every single weapon ever created, the Keyblade can be used for good, as well as evil. It can enable its wielders to destroy the primal darkness zombies, keep the worlds in balance, and prevent the complete destruction of the universe. It also can allow them to spread chaos everywhere and steal other people's bodies, as well as aid them in the complete destruction of the universe. What it's capable of, and whether it's a weapon of good or evil, depends entirely on the wielder. It's just like the Force~!

That's also a valid point. Keyblades kill heartless permanently and kids can be optimistic when an adult can't about a situation or other people.

Sephiroth0812

September 23, 2015 @ 09:29 amOffline

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Children, while not usually able to see the complexity or bigger picture, do tend to see things for their simplest value. For instance an adult would want to know why, how and when you did something like steal or murder.
A child however usually only sees that you did a bad thing and that it's not right. How, why or when mean nothing to you committing that act itself

So in that vein I'd say even children would be fully aware that the keyblade caused their problems along with people.
"Child" is also a term varying of culture so given the complexity of the 'security' I'd say that at least a few were older children or at least highly intelligent. (assuming they were literal children and now a group like 'the children of light' or something)

You probably hit the nail on the head with needing an Xblade replacement. If they needed something to replace kingdom hearts then it's reasonable to think they'd need to replace it's counterpart. Repurposing a keyblade would be an easy solution to that problem.

That's also a valid point. Keyblades kill heartless permanently and kids can be optimistic when an adult can't about a situation or other people.


Going by this interpretation though the children would first see the bad act itself and the person(s) who did it, the tool used for it only a secondary concern if at all. So them banishing/punishing all the Foretellers (who despite not really wanting it DID cause the outbreak of war) and whoever is the manipulating force that set all this in motion to begin with but adopting the Keyblades for better purposes could be reasonable.

"Child" is indeed an elastic term as even juveniles who are already around 13 to 16 old in human years are sometimes still referred to as "children". Depending on individual mental maturity and intelligence, even 13year olds can already be capable of very complex thought chains, tactics and long term planning.

Yep, and I'm inclined to believe this one Keyblade being the Keyblade of Heart. After all, the Xehanort reports do not only state that this "type" of Keyblade is very rare, but also that it came only into existence after the world was reorganized. Coincidence?

That's an important point too, the reorganized world is practically just a small leftover "haven", a fraction of what the old united world was so fiercely protecting these small isolated places of light might be understandable.
This might even be why such things as the Mark of Mastery exam and the requirement to have "a strong heart and control of your own Darkness" were introduced. The children knew about the potential dangers of the Keyblade itself and thus tried to introduce a system that allowed to monitor and/or limit their use to a few worthy candidates.
The amount of Keyblade wielders should be limited and restricted to those who do not abuse its potentially dangerous power, which those measures at least can partly achieve and also explain why Eraqus, despite maybe being more strict than other Masters, takes the whole thing so seriously.
The Keyblades themselves being able to choose a wielder though can certainly bypass this system though, as shown with Sora, although this seems to happen rarely.

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Going by this interpretation though the children would first see the bad act itself and the person(s) who did it, the tool used for it only a secondary concern if at all. So them banishing/punishing all the Foretellers (who despite not really wanting it DID cause the outbreak of war) and whoever is the manipulating force that set all this in motion to begin with but adopting the Keyblades for better purposes could be reasonable.

"Child" is indeed an elastic term as even juveniles who are already around 13 to 16 old in human years are sometimes still referred to as "children". Depending on individual mental maturity and intelligence, even 13year olds can already be capable of very complex thought chains, tactics and long term planning.

Yep, and I'm inclined to believe this one Keyblade being the Keyblade of Heart. After all, the Xehanort reports do not only state that this "type" of Keyblade is very rare, but also that it came only into existence after the world was reorganized. Coincidence?

That's an important point too, the reorganized world is practically just a small leftover "haven", a fraction of what the old united world was so fiercely protecting these small isolated places of light might be understandable.
This might even be why such things as the Mark of Mastery exam and the requirement to have "a strong heart and control of your own Darkness" were introduced. The children knew about the potential dangers of the Keyblade itself and thus tried to introduce a system that allowed to monitor and/or limit their use to a few worthy candidates.
The amount of Keyblade wielders should be limited and restricted to those who do not abuse its potentially dangerous power, which those measures at least can partly achieve and also explain why Eraqus, despite maybe being more strict than other Masters, takes the whole thing so seriously.
The Keyblades themselves being able to choose a wielder though can certainly bypass this system though, as shown with Sora, although this seems to happen rarely.


A bit of yes and no really. Kids would see the being responsible but I think it'd also be rather common knowledge that they could've only done the bad things due to the keyblade. For example the child's simplistic view would know that it's "the keyblade wielders" fault. Or alternatively "those keyblade guys are are bad".
They would see only the tragedy and the person who "did the bad thing" but they'd also know that bad guy is one of the 'keyblade wielders'.
A kids view is simplistic but ironically it's not always innocent or ignorant. Almost insightful at times I'd say. Something I've seen to my humor countless times from me being an older child in a large extended family. (some of them would say some of the simplest but smartest things at times haha)

That doesn't change them banishing foretellers or make it unreasonable. My last post didn't even change or mean that.
It all really depends on the age of the child or if they was even adolescents or truly children to begin with. As we've both affirmed a child can be a kid or it can even be something ambiguous like a group.

Possible. If you had to replace the Xblade but knew how dangerous that was you'd do something to make it much harder to get than last time. How? Separate it into 7 young women and then scattered them throughout the universe. 7 small needles in a universe sized haystack.

As much as I find that whole master-ceremony-truemaster thing superfluous and poorly executed that's also possible. The foretellers could mass produce basically and then you had a war. Take it from mass production to limited access and your danger level drops greatly. Sadly Xehanort proves it only takes one. Though I doubt whoever thought this out never thought so many would be stupid to it haha. (literally the entirety of BBS and series could've been halted if even just two of the TAV trio had stuck together or if they had went to Eraqus sooner)

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