Kingdom Hearts 3 Nomura Interview with Edge-Online!
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- Published on June 20, 2013 @ 03:22 pm
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It's been a busy ride for Series Director Tetsuya Nomura this past week with so many news outlets seeking for a chance to rank among the lucky few who'd receive the opportunity to interview him. We've already heard from Square Enix Members, Square Enix Channel, Famitsu and Dengeki, so now it's time to hear from Edge-Online!
So, Kingdom Hearts 3: what took you so long?
Tetsuya Nomura: So we received great reviews for Kingdom Hearts 2 and so of course the expectation for 3 became much higher. And to make the game appropriate in terms of story, systems and the world – to reach the fans’ expectations – it just ended up taking some time.
What’s the relationship with Disney like? Disney’s attitude to games has changed in recent years to become focused on mobile and social games. Have you noticed their attitude change much?
The relationship with Disney has [remained] the same. Actually the contact person at Disney is still the same person from Kingdom Hearts 1, and Disney has given us lots of requests in terms of the Kingdom Hearts franchise and they did mention some smaller titles for other platforms, but our common, most important goal was to [complete] Kingdom Hearts 3. So it’s the same.
Fans of the series would be quite happy for the game to be the same as the last one, but as a designer and developer don’t you want to experiment and do new things? How do you balance those desires in Kingdom Hearts 3?
As you know, it took a while to actually announce Kingdom Hearts 3, but in the meantime we announced several spin-off titles in the series, and each time for the spin-off title we did experiment and challenge with new things. So we did definitely feel like we have reached enough experimentation and experiences and also I do the development of Final Fantasy, so I feel like for this Kingdom Hearts 3 we are putting everything – all of the experimentation and experiences – into this new title.
The combat in Final Fantasy XV looks real-time instead of turn-based, is that a complete change for the series? Are you making an action game now?
The Final Fantasy series – if you look at each title – each of them has a different system and a different story, so that’s the trend of the Final Fantasy [series] in the past. And when we decided to do action-based for Versus XIII, I personally thought: Is that Final Fantasy? So that was actually one reason why the title was called Versus XIII, not the main sequel, main title, for Final Fantasy. But if you look at the other titles in the franchise, XI and XIV are MMORPG so they do use battle systems which is a command-based, turn-style battle system. So it’s not quite the typical RPG… so that’s why we decided why [Final Fantasy XV] could be action-based battle. And in the future, if other teams decide to different styles of battle systems, then that’s what they decide to do.
So why were you at Sony’s conference and not Microsoft’s? Have you chosen your favourite already?
So, why not Microsoft? Until the last minute we actually didn’t know which conference we would be in, and there was a possibility not to be in the Sony conference either. So it was simply the arrangement between the companies and also originally Versus XIII was announced for PlayStation 3 several years ago. That’s why we thought it’s just probably proper to just go to them and discuss and if they decided to put it on then we would see.
What did you think of E3? Was there anything in particular that excited you?
So of course I was aware of the specifications of each new next-gen console because we are working on them, so there was no specific impact that I got from the announcements in that [respect]. But I was more curious about the software that would be announced. Some of the contents looked really interesting to me and I was preparing for my own presentation of my own games, so I was also very nervous of what other companies would present.
Do you feel comfortable now that you’ve seen everyone else’s games and put yours out there alongside them?
The more contents I saw, with each new trailer before mine, I was getting more worried [laughs]. So of course I’ve been seeing my own trailer so many times that I’m accustomed to watching it so I can’t tell if it’s great any more because I’m so used to watching it. I know my team is working so hard and they agree, but I’ve never done that comparison of looking at my title and trailer with others so that’s why I was nervous.
What does the next generation of consoles mean to you, the games you make, and to Square Enix in general?
So in terms of my own titles that I directed, for the current generation consoles, I have to admit that our company was a little bit behind in terms of development. Talking about my own titles, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 HD is not yet released in the UK, Europe and US even after the announcement of next-generation consoles, and 1.5 is for PlayStation 3. But in the meantime we were already in the development of Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV for next-generation consoles, so we definitely have to catch up with the rest of the gaming world with those titles and in the future Final Fantasy XV most likely will be released sooner than Kingdom Hearts 3. And I think for Square Enix Final Fantasy XV will be the flagship title for the next-generation consoles, and after that we will definitely make more titles for those platforms.
Disney made requests for the Kingdom Hearts series to expand to small titles on other platforms? I wonder what could have become of that? Leave us your thoughts in our hustling bustling forums.
Thanks to forum member Heartkeeper for the heads up!
Source: Edge-Online
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great interview. Really insightful,
| Disney has given us lots of requests in terms of the Kingdom Hearts franchise and they did mention some smaller titles for other platforms |
Wonder what he means by this.
rokudamia2
Wonder what he means by this.
Wonder what he means by this.
Perhaps a Cross-Play Vita version of KH3? I highly doubt they're already considering more portable titles again.
I'm glad this isn't just a Kingdom Hearts 3 interview, great that they involved FF15 and KH 1.5 a bit.
Cataclysm
Perhaps a Cross-Play Vita version of KH3? I highly doubt they're already considering more portable titles again.
Perhaps a Cross-Play Vita version of KH3? I highly doubt they're already considering more portable titles again.
rokudamia2
Wonder what he means by this.
Wonder what he means by this.
Read it as things they were previously requesting, not stuff they were asking for now. The shelved KH title comes to mind...
Master Spockanort
Read it as things they were previously requesting, not stuff they were asking for now. The shelved KH title comes to mind...
Read it as things they were previously requesting, not stuff they were asking for now. The shelved KH title comes to mind...
There was a shelved KH title?
Cataclysm
There was a shelved KH title?
There was a shelved KH title?
"Birth by Sleep volume 2" a game fearuring Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, traversing fallen Disney worlds along with scenarios showcasing the blank times we have of certain characters... like Mickey's journey in the Realm of Darkness, Riku's time between Chain of Memories and when he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kairi in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette, etc.
Taochan
"Birth by Sleep volume 2" a game fearuring Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, traversing fallen Disney worlds along with scenarios showcasing the blank times we have of certain characters... like Mickey's journey in the Realm of Darkness, Riku's time between Chain of Memories and when he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kairi in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette, etc.
"Birth by Sleep volume 2" a game fearuring Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, traversing fallen Disney worlds along with scenarios showcasing the blank times we have of certain characters... like Mickey's journey in the Realm of Darkness, Riku's time between Chain of Memories and when he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kairi in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette, etc.
Oh, I remember that. I was always under the impression that BBS V2 was actually Dream Drop Distance, but they renamed it later.
Taochan
"Birth by Sleep volume 2" a game fearuring Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, traversing fallen Disney worlds along with scenarios showcasing the blank times we have of certain characters... like Mickey's journey in the Realm of Darkness, Riku's time between Chain of Memories and when he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kairi in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette, etc.
"Birth by Sleep volume 2" a game fearuring Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, traversing fallen Disney worlds along with scenarios showcasing the blank times we have of certain characters... like Mickey's journey in the Realm of Darkness, Riku's time between Chain of Memories and when he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kairi in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette, etc.
I think these are the kind of plot points and exposition that kh3 will hopefully have the scope to deal with and fill us in on instead of Nomura making a whole new game just to fill those 'blank points'.
Cataclysm
Oh, I remember that. I was always under the impression that BBS V2 was actually Dream Drop Distance, but they renamed it later.
Oh, I remember that. I was always under the impression that BBS V2 was actually Dream Drop Distance, but they renamed it later.
If I remember correctly, there was a second "mystery title" that had its story was gutted and re-purposed for Dream Drop Distance. BBSv2's trailer content wasn't present in DDD at all.
Bobjam
I think these are the kind of plot points and exposition that kh3 will hopefully have the scope to deal with and fill us in on instead of Nomura making a whole new game just to fill those 'blank points'.
I think these are the kind of plot points and exposition that kh3 will hopefully have the scope to deal with and fill us in on instead of Nomura making a whole new game just to fill those 'blank points'.
Considering how much KH3 already has to deal with, I honestly find it very unlikely. :\
Taochan
If I remember correctly, there was a second "mystery title" that had its story was gutted and re-purposed for Dream Drop Distance. BBSv2's trailer content wasn't present in DDD at all.
If I remember correctly, there was a second "mystery title" that had its story was gutted and re-purposed for Dream Drop Distance. BBSv2's trailer content wasn't present in DDD at all.
Really? Because I seem to recall someone on here about 2 years back analyzing the BBSV2 trailer and predicting the introduction of the time travel element that they introduced in DDD. I don't know, maybe that user is just smart.
| Considering how much KH3 already has to deal with, I honestly find it very unlikely. :\ |
Yeah I hope not. KH3 has a lot on its plate and Nomura knows it. It's a big reason why it's taken so long for them to make the game in the first place, since they want to meet our expectations from KH1 & 2. The more backstory they try to explain, the harder it'll be to focus on the present, which is ultimately more important.
Cataclysm
Really? Because I seem to recall someone on here about 2 years back analyzing the BBSV2 trailer and predicting the introduction of the time travel element that they introduced in DDD. I don't know, maybe that user is just smart.
Really? Because I seem to recall someone on here about 2 years back analyzing the BBSV2 trailer and predicting the introduction of the time travel element that they introduced in DDD. I don't know, maybe that user is just smart.
Not to go off topic, but what? How? Lol. The Master Xehanort scene?
| Yeah I hope not. KH3 has a lot on its plate and Nomura knows it. It's a big reason why it's taken so long for them to make the game in the first place, since they want to meet our expectations from KH1 & 2. The more backstory they try to explain, the harder it'll be to focus on the present, which is ultimately more important. |
Well, Nomura initially wanted the PDD1 team and himself to be more involved with KH3, which would mean Versus needed to be released. So in the mean time they had Osaka working on the portable titles and I think Nomura eventually realized that Osaka was more than capable and knew KH very well at this point, and Versus still had a way to go. With fans becoming more and more impatient for KH3, I think he just decided to trust their abilities and get the ball rolling.
Taochan
Not to go off topic, but what? How? Lol. The Master Xehanort scene?
Not to go off topic, but what? How? Lol. The Master Xehanort scene?
I believe that was it, yes. Again, this was years ago so I don't fully remember it, but one of the users on here broke down every scene of the BBSFM secret ending and outright said "You know what this means? Time travel."
Low and behold if the very next KH game (Re:coded was already out) didn't introduce time travel into the mix.
| Well, Nomura initially wanted the PDD1 team and himself to be more involved with KH3, which would mean Versus needed to be released. So in the mean time they had Osaka working on the portable titles and I think Nomura eventually realized that Osaka was more than capable and knew KH very well at this point, and Versus still had a way to go. With fans becoming more and more impatient for KH3, I think he just decided to trust their abilities and get the ball rolling. |
Am I the only one who feels slightly uneasy about this? I LOVED Birth By Sleep. It's my third favorite, behind KH1 and KH2 in second and first respectively. DDD on the other hand... I don't know why but I found it not as amazing as I thought it would be. Perhaps it was just the whole "Realm of Sleep" thing which caused such a radical change in the gameplay with Flowmotion and Dream Eaters and the Drop system. I don't doubt they're great, but for a title as grandiose as KH3, I hope they can deliver a knockout punch.
Cataclysm
I believe that was it, yes. Again, this was years ago so I don't fully remember it, but one of the users on here broke down every scene of the BBSFM secret ending and outright said "You know what this means? Time travel."
Low and behold if the very next KH game (Re:coded was already out) didn't introduce time travel into the mix.
I believe that was it, yes. Again, this was years ago so I don't fully remember it, but one of the users on here broke down every scene of the BBSFM secret ending and outright said "You know what this means? Time travel."
Low and behold if the very next KH game (Re:coded was already out) didn't introduce time travel into the mix.
To be fair, Birth by Sleep has a secret boss called "Mysterious Figure" (Young Master Xehanort) who uses time travel power, so it was foreshadowed long before BBSv2's trailer.
| Am I the only one who feels slightly uneasy about this? I LOVED Birth By Sleep. It's my third favorite, behind KH1 and KH2 in second and first respectively. DDD on the other hand... I don't know why but I found it not as amazing as I thought it would be. Perhaps it was just the whole "Realm of Sleep" thing which caused such a radical change in the gameplay with Flowmotion and Dream Eaters and the Drop system. I don't doubt they're great, but for a title as grandiose as KH3, I hope they can deliver a knockout punch. |
Osaka has more experience with Kingdom Hearts than the PDD1 does and they've had all of the recent experience with the series since Kingdom Hearts 2 - barring h.a.n.d. - so we're definitely in safe hands and there's no reason to worry.
Nomura wanted the gameplay for the Realm of Sleep to be that way. I thought it really worked considering we were in the Realm of Sleep and I love that they took full advantage of that concept.
Taochan
To be fair, Birth by Sleep has a secret boss called "Mysterious Figure" (Young Master Xehanort) who uses time travel power, so it was foreshadowed long before BBSv2's trailer.
To be fair, Birth by Sleep has a secret boss called "Mysterious Figure" (Young Master Xehanort) who uses time travel power, so it was foreshadowed long before BBSv2's trailer.
Yeah, I remember. Never fought him though, lol. I was too scared. But that's another reason why I thought BBSV2 was DDD. Because MF was in BBSFM and then the next game ended up being DDD and the secret boss always hints at the next game in the series.
| Osaka has more experience with Kingdom Hearts than the PDD1 does and they've had all of the recent experience with the series since Kingdom Hearts 2 - barring h.a.n.d. - so we're definitely in safe hands and there's no reason to worry. |
Well, that puts me at ease then. Like I said, they made Birth By Sleep, so I know they're capable of wonderful things. But I have very, very, very high expectations for KH3 in terms of plot, gameplay, art direction, music, everything. Am I likely to be dissapointed in some of those categories? Yeah, because my expectations are probably too high to fully meet. But, I still hope they can make KH3 the best one in the series thus far.
| Nomura wanted the gameplay for the Realm of Sleep to be that way. I thought it really worked considering we were in the Realm of Sleep and I love that they took full advantage of that concept. |
Yeah, that makes sense. I thought it fit the game for sure, I just personally didn't love it the way I loved other KH games. I found Flowmtion too hard to fully control, especially in combat. Am I a hopeless fanboy that would give all seven KH games a 10/10? Yup. But DDD was a "lesser" 10/10 for me. Re:coded was definitely the worst though, even though the gameplay was a hoot.
Cataclysm
Yeah, I remember. Never fought him though, lol. I was too scared. But that's another reason why I thought BBSV2 was DDD. Because MF was in BBSFM and then the next game ended up being DDD and the secret boss always hints at the next game in the series.
Yeah, I remember. Never fought him though, lol. I was too scared. But that's another reason why I thought BBSV2 was DDD. Because MF was in BBSFM and then the next game ended up being DDD and the secret boss always hints at the next game in the series.
He was in the regular version of Birth by Sleep too, lol. No Heart was the big new secret boss for BBS:FM.
| Well, that puts me at ease then. Like I said, they made Birth By Sleep, so I know they're capable of wonderful things. But I have very, very, very high expectations for KH3 in terms of plot, gameplay, art direction, music, everything. Am I likely to be dissapointed in some of those categories? Yeah, because my expectations are probably too high to fully meet. But, I still hope they can make KH3 the best one in the series thus far. |
Ultimately, I think KH3 is going to disappoint us all. We've built it up in our heads too high and we need too much content to be covered. So far though, it sounds good. I'm interested to see what new info we learn in the coming months.
| Yeah, that makes sense. I thought it fit the game for sure, I just personally didn't love it the way I loved other KH games. I found Flowmtion too hard to fully control, especially in combat. Am I a hopeless fanboy that would give all seven KH games a 10/10? Yup. But DDD was a "lesser" 10/10 for me. Re:coded was definitely was worst though, even though the gameplay was a hoot. |
Flowmotion was nice because it gave the feeling of being a god, rofl. It looked like they tried to incorporate the concept of it in the KH3 trailer from E3, so it'll be interesting to see if it makes it into the final product of the game.
Re:coded was so much fun! ;~;
Taochan
No Heart was the big new secret boss for BBS:FM
No Heart was the big new secret boss for BBS:FM
And that's while I'll cry a river if the Final Mix version of BBS isn't used for 2.5.
| Ultimately, I think KH3 is going to disappoint us all. We've built it up in our heads too high and we need too much content to be covered. So far though, it sounds good. I'm interested to see what new info we learn in the coming months. |
I don't know. KH3 has pretty huge stakes in the plot. The Seven vs Thirteen plot alone could easily make this the best game in the series. But there's also all the unanswered questions, character development, resolutions, etc to cover. I think there's only one way to cover EVERYTHING they need to get in and still make the game awesome.
Really, really, really long ass story mode. Which I will fully embrace with tears of joy since I want the game to be long.
| Flowmotion was nice because it gave the feeling of being a god, rofl. It looked like they tried to incorporate the concept of it in the KH3 trailer from E3, so it'll be interesting to see if it makes it into the final product of the game. Re:coded was so much fun! ;~; |
Maybe I just suck at Flowmotion. I never quite got the hang of it.
And yes I know! I loved Re:coded too! I just meant that it was my least favorite of the seven. Still give it a 10/10 though.
| And that's while I'll cry a river if the Final Mix version of BBS isn't used for 2.5. |
I'd say there's very little change of this being the case. There's really no reason not to use it unless SE just wants to piss off their fans.
Wehrmacht
There's really no reason not to use it unless SE just wants to piss off their fans.
There's really no reason not to use it unless SE just wants to piss off their fans.
They sometimes seem like they like to do that. And I hear rumors that they hate money too.
The best and most important bit of info is in the last paragraph. Colour me excited!
Thanks for sharing, as always!
Taochan
He was in the regular version of Birth by Sleep too, lol. No Heart was the big new secret boss for BBS:FM.
He was in the regular version of Birth by Sleep too, lol. No Heart was the big new secret boss for BBS:FM.
Wouldn't be surprised if No Heart becomes KH3's final boss, or at least makes it into the game somewhere. Considering how his theme's a combination of XH's and Xemnas', I'd be surprised if this wasn't massive foreshadowing.
Brain blast: Nightmare Armor of the Master boss fight, with Eraqus' armor protecting Terra. Calling that shit right now.
Cataclysm
They sometimes seem like they like to do that. And I hear rumors that they hate money too.
They sometimes seem like they like to do that. And I hear rumors that they hate money too.
Lovely how they're working with Disney, a company that's the exact opposite of that.
Nayru's Love
Wouldn't be surprised if No Heart becomes KH3's final boss, or at least makes it into the game somewhere. Considering how his theme's a combination of XH's and Xemnas', I'd be surprised if this wasn't massive foreshadowing.
Wouldn't be surprised if No Heart becomes KH3's final boss, or at least makes it into the game somewhere. Considering how his theme's a combination of XH's and Xemnas', I'd be surprised if this wasn't massive foreshadowing.
No Heart's theme is my favorite boss song in the whole series, even more than the oh so famous Xemnas boss song from DDD. If they make a super remix of that song for the final boss in KH3, I will explode with teh epic.
| Brain blast: Nightmare Armor of the Master boss fight, with Eraqus' armor protecting Terra. Calling that shit right now. |
Myself and Jimmy Neutron salute you for such a thought.
| Lovely how they're working with Disney, a company that's the exact opposite of that. |
*Old school Sonic voice*
"STRANGE, ISN'T IT?"
It feels so weird to get so much interview-nomura time so close together. 0_0
Good interview, find it kinda endearing that his contact guy at disney has been the same this whole time. xD
Disney made requests for the Kingdom Hearts series to expand to small titles on other platforms? I wonder what could have become of that? Leave us your thoughts in our hustling bustling forums. |
This worried me though....
The interview was good, been awhile since we've gotten to know more from Nomura. It looks like FFXV will still be release first like before when it was Versus; biggest difference is that they have KH3 in development. Silly Nomura, worrying over his trailer that fans have been dying to see for yrs!
Disney made requests for the Kingdom Hearts series to expand to small titles on other platforms? I wonder what could have become of that? Leave us your thoughts in our hustling bustling forums. |
^ I think once the Xehanort saga ends, it wouldn't be much of a surprise to see the series expand to other platforms for any of us. What's strange is that it's Disney requesting it. Maybe more Disney characters will be involved in the new series and more merchandise to follow by doing this; giving them more money, perhaps? Idk.
Gram
This worried me though....
This worried me though....
Me too. The last thing we need is another departure to handheld games after the release of KH3. That mess was what caused the need to make 1.5 and 2.5 in the first place (other than just because HD collections are sexy). Surely they wouldn't be silly enough to consider going through all of that again?
KitKat
^ I think once the Xehanort saga ends, it wouldn't be much of a surprise to see the series expand to other platforms for any of us. What's strange is that it's Disney requesting it. Maybe more Disney characters will be involved in the new series and more merchandise to follow by doing this; giving them more money, perhaps? Idk.
^ I think once the Xehanort saga ends, it wouldn't be much of a surprise to see the series expand to other platforms for any of us. What's strange is that it's Disney requesting it. Maybe more Disney characters will be involved in the new series and more merchandise to follow by doing this; giving them more money, perhaps? Idk.
It's not much of a surprise sure but not sure how I feel about it after just now fixing the whole 'spread over other consoles' problem.
If they do go this route, again, hopefully the smaller titles focus on the other characters such as TAV and RAX. Maybe about them rebuilding their lives.
| Me too. The last thing we need is another departure to handheld games after the release of KH3. That mess was what caused the need to make 1.5 and 2.5 in the first place (other than just because HD collections are sexy). Surely they wouldn't be silly enough to consider going through all of that again? |
Well like I said hopefully the smaller ones would focus on other characters instead of it being a big mess where the actual main story is on several platforms.
Gram
It's not much of a surprise sure but not sure how I feel about it after just now fixing the whole 'spread over other consoles' problem.
If they do go this route, again, hopefully the smaller titles focus on the other characters such as TAV and RAX. Maybe about them rebuilding their lives..
It's not much of a surprise sure but not sure how I feel about it after just now fixing the whole 'spread over other consoles' problem.
If they do go this route, again, hopefully the smaller titles focus on the other characters such as TAV and RAX. Maybe about them rebuilding their lives..
I don't want to see the main storyline to be put on so many platforms again either, it's too messy and time consuming. Well, it's not like we didn't get a small title focus of both those groups, but, I don't think rebuilding their lives are enough, more likely it will still connect to the main story only wouldn't it be better to have new characters involved? It'd be more interesting if we could see Master Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus time together. Or other keyblade wielders besides Sora and Riku.
KitKat
I don't want to see the main storyline to be put on so many platforms again either, it's too messy and time consuming. Well, it's not like we didn't get a small title focus of both those groups, but, I don't think rebuilding their lives are enough, more likely it will still connect to the main story only wouldn't it be better to have new characters involved? It'd be more interesting if we could see Master Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus time together. Or other keyblade wielders besides Sora and Riku.
I don't want to see the main storyline to be put on so many platforms again either, it's too messy and time consuming. Well, it's not like we didn't get a small title focus of both those groups, but, I don't think rebuilding their lives are enough, more likely it will still connect to the main story only wouldn't it be better to have new characters involved? It'd be more interesting if we could see Master Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus time together. Or other keyblade wielders besides Sora and Riku.
True we did get a small focus on both groups but it was all apart of the main story, if it's gonna happen give me one that is about them. Of course it'd connect in some way but not to the point it has been where you need several consoles to know whats going on. At most just points where each story intersects with another, like TAV running into sora on one of their stories.
I dont see there being any new characters right off the bat nor would I like to see any that quickly.
Sadly Nomura said BBS is as far back as the story will go into the past so =[
Though I dont really mind I've had my fill of Xehanort by this point.
Gram
This worried me though....
This worried me though....
Looking at it from a positive perspective, not only has Disney been working with Square for a number of years, but apparently their arbiter of sorts has surprisingly been the same since the series' conception. I trust that at least some people on Disney's end are aware of the series' rough edges in the past so much as to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. Unlike us, this is their job.
Nayru's Love
Looking at it from a positive perspective, not only has Disney been working with Square for a number of years, but apparently their arbiter of sorts has surprisingly been the same since the series' conception. I trust that at least some people on Disney's end are aware of the series' rough edges in the past so much as to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. Unlike us, this is their job.
Looking at it from a positive perspective, not only has Disney been working with Square for a number of years, but apparently their arbiter of sorts has surprisingly been the same since the series' conception. I trust that at least some people on Disney's end are aware of the series' rough edges in the past so much as to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. Unlike us, this is their job.
Hopefully your right, I'm just not as hopeful about it until I actually see what they do later on.
what? he was worried about his trailers!?
all of the other trailers had me bored while the kingdom hearts 3 one had me jumping up and down screaming like a prepubescent girl.
needless to say he won e3
Terarded
what? he was worried about his trailers!?
all of the other trailers had me bored while the kingdom hearts 3 one had me jumping up and down screaming like a prepubescent girl.
needless to say he won e3
what? he was worried about his trailers!?
all of the other trailers had me bored while the kingdom hearts 3 one had me jumping up and down screaming like a prepubescent girl.
needless to say he won e3
Weeeeeeeeeeeeell to be completely fair though, how much of that excitement had to do with the fact that you were a KH fan VS the trailer actually being really good.
If we look at the trailer itself without all the hype, it's really nothing special. Half of it is a bunch of clips from previous games put together with their titles being displayed. Another half just shows Sora picking up Eraqus' keyblade, which is interesting for those who played BBS, but for those who didn't, they don't realize the significance of that scene. Then just the logo. And then 10 seconds of fake gameplay.
As far as the KH3 trailer goes, I can see his concern. The FFXV trailer was perfect though! It was everything it needed to be and more!
I don't think we have to worry about Nomura throwing in a bunch of handheld games after KH3 is released it's to big of a headache to deal with. I do however think the Home console+ Handheld game method is a good strategy having the handheld game act as a bridge in between the main numbered entries the prime example would be KH:COM. To me that's the perfect way to do these things and using the bridge games to high light other side characters (although the KH roster is incredibly huge and grows bigger each game) and gives them a chance in the spotlight.
In fact I think having the hand held series focusing on TAV as a whole would be a pretty interesting concept to pursue.
Guys, I think we're looking too deeply into the "Disney requesting more games on more platforms thing". It was simply listed as a possibility maybe for future spinoff social games or something. I think the real hitter will be a merch expansion.
Also, I love that Nomura implies he wants the hd collections to go multiplatform.
ajmrowland
Guys, I think we're looking too deeply into the "Disney requesting more games on more platforms thing". It was simply listed as a possibility maybe for future spinoff social games or something. I think the real hitter will be a merch expansion.
Guys, I think we're looking too deeply into the "Disney requesting more games on more platforms thing". It was simply listed as a possibility maybe for future spinoff social games or something. I think the real hitter will be a merch expansion.
KINGDOM HEARTS AT DISNEYWORLD!
Okay, no. That won't happen. And it's probably best, honestly. All of my money would die the moment I set foot into such a beautiful place.
Cataclysm
KINGDOM HEARTS AT DISNEYWORLD!
Okay, no. That won't happen. And it's probably best, honestly. All of my money would die the moment I set foot into such a beautiful place.
KINGDOM HEARTS AT DISNEYWORLD!
Okay, no. That won't happen. And it's probably best, honestly. All of my money would die the moment I set foot into such a beautiful place.
Actually, it's looking likely. I didn't know how much Disney was behind KH honestly since after KH1, Disney looked like they gave up on KH from a profit standpoint and just had it because it didn't do poorly by any means and was cool.
However, as I've said recently many times lol, Disney has been reintroducing KH merchandise into the parks. First with the limited edition Kingdom Hearts pin that came out 2 years back (which sold out so fast and now sells for well over $60) and then last year they released a few keychains (that were from Hot Topic, but still KH) and a new open edition Mickey pin in his organization coat.
The biggest step forward is easily the KH panel at this year's D23 in Japan. While it may be in Japan, Disney is letting KH take up a whole part of their convention and their very first one in Japan albeit that.
According to cast members at the park, Disney has been slowly introducing more KH merchandise as of late. While I doubt KH will ever get its own section or its own store, it's very likely that we may one day see a small section of a store dedicated to KH at the parks and that's all I can ask for ^_^
I sure hope so! I'm so tired of the only KH merch being the same Hot Topic shirts that've been out since the release of KH2, and the special stuff you can find on the internet. Having even a small shop in a Disney park would be incredible. The only KH merchandise I saw in the entirety of Disneyworld was a copy of Birth By Sleep in the videogame section at one of the parks. That's it. I might have seen Re:coded and some of the PS2 games as well. Can't remember. But that's it. It was sad, really.
Hey where could I find this BBSv2 trailer or any information on that?
Alienator11
Hey where could I find this BBSv2 trailer or any information on that?
Hey where could I find this BBSv2 trailer or any information on that?
Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep Final Mix - Part 44 [Secret Episode - BBS Volume 2 -] - YouTube
Watch that and skip to 25:54.
Thank you so much man, I've seen a whole bunch of final mix secret endings but I have never seen that, I've only seen up to the part where you fight the red eyes guy and thats all
I'm surprised there ins't any KH merch at Epcot's Japan section. They have a bunch of other Japanese game stuff there, but nothing Kingdom Hearts.
Cataclysm
I sure hope so! I'm so tired of the only KH merch being the same Hot Topic shirts that've been out since the release of KH2, and the special stuff you can find on the internet. Having even a small shop in a Disney park would be incredible. The only KH merchandise I saw in the entirety of Disneyworld was a copy of Birth By Sleep in the videogame section at one of the parks. That's it. I might have seen Re:coded and some of the PS2 games as well. Can't remember. But that's it. It was sad, really.
I sure hope so! I'm so tired of the only KH merch being the same Hot Topic shirts that've been out since the release of KH2, and the special stuff you can find on the internet. Having even a small shop in a Disney park would be incredible. The only KH merchandise I saw in the entirety of Disneyworld was a copy of Birth By Sleep in the videogame section at one of the parks. That's it. I might have seen Re:coded and some of the PS2 games as well. Can't remember. But that's it. It was sad, really.
Wow, I've actually never seen a physical copy of any of the games in the park, only keychains, Hot Topic stuff, and the pins (which are made extremely well). When KH first came out they used to have a whole wall filled with the Mirage toys:
but they didn't sell too well which is why Disney gave up early on with KH. Finding those figures nowadays is actually really hard since KH now has a dedicated fanbase so it's sad that Disney is so uncertain nowadays when KH is much more popular.
crash13
I'm surprised there ins't any KH merch at Epcot's Japan section. They have a bunch of other Japanese game stuff there, but nothing Kingdom Hearts.
I'm surprised there ins't any KH merch at Epcot's Japan section. They have a bunch of other Japanese game stuff there, but nothing Kingdom Hearts.
The most I've seen are the Play Arts figures but they actually have more Final Fantasy ones I find than KH ones...IDK why.
I know I've seen the games at Hollywood Studios because I bout 358 there. For sure saw Re:CoM and BBS.
Am I the only one that thinks the opening question was kind of rude?
It was an interesting interview, but I wish it had focused on the games a little more and less on the Expo.
I'm kind of scared what a social game version of KH will look like. Though I guess KH:X is kind of already going in that direction.
KitKat
I don't want to see the main storyline to be put on so many platforms again either, it's too messy and time consuming. Well, it's not like we didn't get a small title focus of both those groups, but, I don't think rebuilding their lives are enough, more likely it will still connect to the main story only wouldn't it be better to have new characters involved? It'd be more interesting if we could see Master Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus time together. Or other keyblade wielders besides Sora and Riku.
I don't want to see the main storyline to be put on so many platforms again either, it's too messy and time consuming. Well, it's not like we didn't get a small title focus of both those groups, but, I don't think rebuilding their lives are enough, more likely it will still connect to the main story only wouldn't it be better to have new characters involved? It'd be more interesting if we could see Master Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus time together. Or other keyblade wielders besides Sora and Riku.
Personally I wouldn't want the spin-offs to introduce a new keyblade wielder nor do I really want a game focusing on MY, YS and Eraqus' past sure it would be interesting to a degree, but I'm not that interested in their past. I'd prefer them focusing on some of the characters they've introduced so far, especially the characters that haven't gotten much spotlight yet, like Kairi, Xion or Ven.
loke13
I don't think we have to worry about Nomura throwing in a bunch of handheld games after KH3 is released it's to big of a headache to deal with. I do however think the Home console+ Handheld game method is a good strategy having the handheld game act as a bridge in between the main numbered entries the prime example would be KH:COM. To me that's the perfect way to do these things and using the bridge games to high light other side characters (although the KH roster is incredibly huge and grows bigger each game) and gives them a chance in the spotlight.
In fact I think having the hand held series focusing on TAV as a whole would be a pretty interesting concept to pursue.
I don't think we have to worry about Nomura throwing in a bunch of handheld games after KH3 is released it's to big of a headache to deal with. I do however think the Home console+ Handheld game method is a good strategy having the handheld game act as a bridge in between the main numbered entries the prime example would be KH:COM. To me that's the perfect way to do these things and using the bridge games to high light other side characters (although the KH roster is incredibly huge and grows bigger each game) and gives them a chance in the spotlight.
In fact I think having the hand held series focusing on TAV as a whole would be a pretty interesting concept to pursue.
I don't think them releasing multiple games on handhelds is such a bad thing. Especially if they give both TAV and RAX their own series. I'd love it, if BBS became an actual series that always mainly focused on Aqua and her friends, but also included the others to a certain degree. That way they could tell multiple intertwined stories that could stand alone but also compliment each other.
If they don't make series that focus of the others "main characters", then I'd prefer it, if they keep it to a bridge game, like you mentioned.
kupo1121
Actually, it's looking likely. I didn't know how much Disney was behind KH honestly since after KH1, Disney looked like they gave up on KH from a profit standpoint and just had it because it didn't do poorly by any means and was cool.
However, as I've said recently many times lol, Disney has been reintroducing KH merchandise into the parks. First with the limited edition Kingdom Hearts pin that came out 2 years back (which sold out so fast and now sells for well over $60) and then last year they released a few keychains (that were from Hot Topic, but still KH) and a new open edition Mickey pin in his organization coat.
The biggest step forward is easily the KH panel at this year's D23 in Japan. While it may be in Japan, Disney is letting KH take up a whole part of their convention and their very first one in Japan albeit that.
According to cast members at the park, Disney has been slowly introducing more KH merchandise as of late. While I doubt KH will ever get its own section or its own store, it's very likely that we may one day see a small section of a store dedicated to KH at the parks and that's all I can ask for ^_^
Actually, it's looking likely. I didn't know how much Disney was behind KH honestly since after KH1, Disney looked like they gave up on KH from a profit standpoint and just had it because it didn't do poorly by any means and was cool.
However, as I've said recently many times lol, Disney has been reintroducing KH merchandise into the parks. First with the limited edition Kingdom Hearts pin that came out 2 years back (which sold out so fast and now sells for well over $60) and then last year they released a few keychains (that were from Hot Topic, but still KH) and a new open edition Mickey pin in his organization coat.
The biggest step forward is easily the KH panel at this year's D23 in Japan. While it may be in Japan, Disney is letting KH take up a whole part of their convention and their very first one in Japan albeit that.
According to cast members at the park, Disney has been slowly introducing more KH merchandise as of late. While I doubt KH will ever get its own section or its own store, it's very likely that we may one day see a small section of a store dedicated to KH at the parks and that's all I can ask for ^_^
What D23 about? I never really heard of it until recently.
I love that it seems like they're finally warming up to KH. I think it would be great if they incorporated KH a little more. Maybe even Kairi and Xehanort make guess appearance in their Princess and Villains line-up. Considering that they're planing on including Marvel and Star Wars into their parks, I guess KH being included at some point isn't impossible.
AdrianXXII
Am I the only one that thinks the opening question was kind of rude?
It was an interesting interview, but I wish it had focused on the games a little more and less on the Expo.
Am I the only one that thinks the opening question was kind of rude?
It was an interesting interview, but I wish it had focused on the games a little more and less on the Expo.
No, definitely not.
Eh, in the end you have to realize that there are only so many questions that he would answer and that no one else already asked.
| I'm kind of scared what a social game version of KH will look like. Though I guess KH:X is kind of already going in that direction. |
If we're judging by KHx, it's definitely nothing to be afraid of.
| Personally I wouldn't want the spin-offs to introduce a new keyblade wielder nor do I really want a game focusing on MY, YS and Eraqus' past sure it would be interesting to a degree, but I'm not that interested in their past. I'd prefer them focusing on some of the characters they've introduced so far, especially the characters that haven't gotten much spotlight yet, like Kairi, Xion or Ven. |
You know, when they brought up Disney's requested spinoffs, I was under the assumption that they asked for cheap irrelevant games with the KH label slapped on. By putting "Kingdom Hearts" in the title, no matter what it is, it'll sell. I doubt they cared at all about the convoluted story going on for the past 11 years.
| What D23 about? I never really heard of it until recently. |
It's an event that takes place for the fans basically. Of course there's also one in August down in Anaheim, but that's more about the brands and the actors and the not-games. This is Japan's first D23 Expo, where not only will they be revealing new information about the series and KH3, but also Shinji Hashimoto and various voice actors will be attending.
Sign
Eh, in the end you have to realize that there are only so many questions that he would answer and that no one else already asked.
Eh, in the end you have to realize that there are only so many questions that he would answer and that no one else already asked.
I guess that's true.
| If we're judging by KHx, it's definitely nothing to be afraid of. You know, when they brought up Disney's requested spinoffs, I was under the assumption that they asked for cheap irrelevant games with the KH label slapped on. By putting "Kingdom Hearts" in the title, no matter what it is, it'll sell. I doubt they cared at all about the convoluted story going on for the past 11 years. |
Yeah, KHx might be pretty good, but we still haven't seen much of it so it's too early to tell.
I don't know, Disney's pretty good with managing their properties and keeping a certain image. I don't think they'd want to risk a somewhat popular series by just throwing in some crappy cheap games that have the KH name on it. Then again Kingdom Hearts v Cast was a thing...
| It's an event that takes place for the fans basically. Of course there's also one in August down in Anaheim, but that's more about the brands and the actors and the not-games. This is Japan's first D23 Expo, where not only will they be revealing new information about the series and KH3, but also Shinji Hashimoto and various voice actors will be attending. |
Okay that sounds pretty cool. I'm guessing the two events are being organized by two completely different parts of the company.
Cataclysm
KINGDOM HEARTS AT DISNEYWORLD!
KINGDOM HEARTS AT DISNEYWORLD!
Destiny Island. It can happen.
I'm surprised Nomura didn't come to the conclusion that he would be at the Sony conference based off of the fact that Kingdom Hearts 1.5 was advertised at the end of the trailer. It'd be pretty silly for Microsoft to have advertised a PS3 exclusive game at their conference.
Santiago
Destiny Island. It can happen.
I'm surprised Nomura didn't come to the conclusion that he would be at the Sony conference based off of the fact that Kingdom Hearts 1.5 was advertised at the end of the trailer. It'd be pretty silly for Microsoft to have advertised a PS3 exclusive game at their conference.
Destiny Island. It can happen.
I'm surprised Nomura didn't come to the conclusion that he would be at the Sony conference based off of the fact that Kingdom Hearts 1.5 was advertised at the end of the trailer. It'd be pretty silly for Microsoft to have advertised a PS3 exclusive game at their conference.
They probably would have cut that out. We know they can just cut stuff, redo things like the version without the system logos vs the one with them.
AdrianXXII
I don't think them releasing multiple games on handhelds is such a bad thing. Especially if they give both TAV and RAX their own series. I'd love it, if BBS became an actual series that always mainly focused on Aqua and her friends, but also included the others to a certain degree. That way they could tell multiple intertwined stories that could stand alone but also compliment each other.
I don't think them releasing multiple games on handhelds is such a bad thing. Especially if they give both TAV and RAX their own series. I'd love it, if BBS became an actual series that always mainly focused on Aqua and her friends, but also included the others to a certain degree. That way they could tell multiple intertwined stories that could stand alone but also compliment each other.
I would love if they gave Aqua her own sideseries but I cannot see it happening. While Aqua is definitely one of the more popular KH characters to date, KH was always Sora's story as Nomura said, if he started to make whole series based off of other characters, it would seem less like just Sora's story.
| I love that it seems like they're finally warming up to KH. I think it would be great if they incorporated KH a little more. Maybe even Kairi and Xehanort make guess appearance in their Princess and Villains line-up. Considering that they're planing on including Marvel and Star Wars into their parks, I guess KH being included at some point isn't impossible. |
The Star Wars and Marvel fanbases far outclass the KH one in terms of size and popularity. Star Wars and Marvel aren't even thing Disney has the "take even a small chance on" since both are guaranteed to be big sellers among boys, a demographic Disney really wants to focus on as of recent (Cars, Planes, Power Rangers, etc.) considering they have the girl demographic in the bag with their princesses.
They would never ally Xehanort with their official Disney villains either considering they have yet to ally some of their more well known villains with the main line either like Mother Gothel, easily one of the most popular and famous villains to come out of Disney in the last few years.
kupo1121
I would love if they gave Aqua her own sideseries but I cannot see it happening. While Aqua is definitely one of the more popular KH characters to date, KH was always Sora's story as Nomura said, if he started to make whole series based off of other characters, it would seem less like just Sora's story.
I would love if they gave Aqua her own sideseries but I cannot see it happening. While Aqua is definitely one of the more popular KH characters to date, KH was always Sora's story as Nomura said, if he started to make whole series based off of other characters, it would seem less like just Sora's story.
Well, it could still be part of Sora's story even if it doesn't star him but Aqua. Her story would just have to tie in with Sora's.
kupo1121
The Star Wars and Marvel fanbases far outclass the KH one in terms of size and popularity. Star Wars and Marvel aren't even thing Disney has the "take even a small chance on" since both are guaranteed to be big sellers among boys, a demographic Disney really wants to focus on as of recent (Cars, Planes, Power Rangers, etc.) considering they have the girl demographic in the bag with their princesses.
They would never ally Xehanort with their official Disney villains either considering they have yet to ally some of their more well known villains with the main line either like Mother Gothel, easily one of the most popular and famous villains to come out of Disney in the last few years.
The Star Wars and Marvel fanbases far outclass the KH one in terms of size and popularity. Star Wars and Marvel aren't even thing Disney has the "take even a small chance on" since both are guaranteed to be big sellers among boys, a demographic Disney really wants to focus on as of recent (Cars, Planes, Power Rangers, etc.) considering they have the girl demographic in the bag with their princesses.
They would never ally Xehanort with their official Disney villains either considering they have yet to ally some of their more well known villains with the main line either like Mother Gothel, easily one of the most popular and famous villains to come out of Disney in the last few years.
Well yeah, but they've also been around for way longer than KH has. Though I guess they also appeal to a wider range of people and right now it's a no brainier that they'll most likely be successful. But I wouldn't rule out the chance that someday KH could become big enough that they'd give it some presence in their parks.
I'm kind of surprised they haven't included Mother Gothel, she was actually a good villain.
AdrianXXII
Well, it could still be part of Sora's story even if it doesn't star him but Aqua. Her story would just have to tie in with Sora's.
Well, it could still be part of Sora's story even if it doesn't star him but Aqua. Her story would just have to tie in with Sora's.
Having to maintain a whole game series based off a separate character (Aqua) while keeping it entirely connected to Sora would eventually get very hard since everything in the end would have to connect to him and the story would suffer since it could be its own story. Not to mention, Aqua is one of the least sora-connected characters out of the protagonists so far. It would be much easier making a series off of Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Xion, or Ven connected to Sora since they all share a very strong bond with Sora.
| Well yeah, but they've also been around for way longer than KH has. Though I guess they also appeal to a wider range of people and right now it's a no brainier that they'll most likely be successful. But I wouldn't rule out the chance that someday KH could become big enough that they'd give it some presence in their parks. I'm kind of surprised they haven't included Mother Gothel, she was actually a good villain. |
Star Wars and Marvel had cult followings within a decade after they were out, very few video games have that big of a following (though some do) and I don't think KH is one of them. Don't get me wrong, I love KH, but I really cannot see Disney reserving a whole section of the park for the game since I doubt it'll ever compare, even 2 decades down the road. It's been a whole decade already and while KH has a strong fanbase, it pales in comparison to either Marvel or Star Wars.
As for Mother Gothel, I'm sure she'll be included sooner or later, she and King Candy I believe were 2 villains that were done very well. I really hope they don't just use Mother Gothel for a Tangled-inspired world and then never revisit her. If Maleficent has any plans of building a second League of Villains, I think Gothel and King Candy are prime candidates (along with Skull King, Dr. Facilier, Madame Mim, and possibly Elsa from Frozen depending on how she turns out).
kupo1121
Having to maintain a whole game series based off a separate character (Aqua) while keeping it entirely connected to Sora would eventually get very hard since everything in the end would have to connect to him and the story would suffer since it could be its own story. Not to mention, Aqua is one of the least sora-connected characters out of the protagonists so far. It would be much easier making a series off of Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Xion, or Ven connected to Sora since they all share a very strong bond with Sora.
Having to maintain a whole game series based off a separate character (Aqua) while keeping it entirely connected to Sora would eventually get very hard since everything in the end would have to connect to him and the story would suffer since it could be its own story. Not to mention, Aqua is one of the least sora-connected characters out of the protagonists so far. It would be much easier making a series off of Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Xion, or Ven connected to Sora since they all share a very strong bond with Sora.
Well that's true, still it would be nice if she would get more games. It would be great to see a character like her get some limelight.
| Star Wars and Marvel had cult followings within a decade after they were out, very few video games have that big of a following (though some do) and I don't think KH is one of them. Don't get me wrong, I love KH, but I really cannot see Disney reserving a whole section of the park for the game since I doubt it'll ever compare, even 2 decades down the road. It's been a whole decade already and while KH has a strong fanbase, it pales in comparison to either Marvel or Star Wars. As for Mother Gothel, I'm sure she'll be included sooner or later, she and King Candy I believe were 2 villains that were done very well. I really hope they don't just use Mother Gothel for a Tangled-inspired world and then never revisit her. If Maleficent has any plans of building a second League of Villains, I think Gothel and King Candy are prime candidates (along with Skull King, Dr. Facilier, Madame Mim, and possibly Elsa from Frozen depending on how she turns out). |
I guess that's true. I'd be happy if they'd at least acknowledge it a little more and do more with it.
I think mother Gothel would make an interesting Villain though I guess she would need to summon heartless to fight seeing she doesn't really have any special abilities that I can recall.
I would love a Madame Mim boss fight, it could be so creative and fun.
AdrianXXII
Well that's true, still it would be nice if she would get more games. It would be great to see a character like her get some limelight.
Well that's true, still it would be nice if she would get more games. It would be great to see a character like her get some limelight.
Considering Aqua is definitely one of the breakout stars of BbS (she is definitely among one of the most popular original KH characters ever) I and many other fans would probably agree that she needs more attention. I know I'm not the only one, but that's the whole reason I was very disappointed that BbSv2 never came to fruition, because anymore time playing as Aqua would have been welcomed.
| I think mother Gothel would make an interesting Villain though I guess she would need to summon heartless to fight seeing she doesn't really have any special abilities that I can recall. I would love a Madame Mim boss fight, it could be so creative and fun. |
She could control the heartless, but remember that she is very manipulative. I'd love to see her actually manipulate SDG as she pleases before finding out she's evil at the end. I mean, sure the player knows she is evil, but remember how she played so coy in Tangled and was able to manipulate the Stabbington brothers, the old man, and Rapunzel herself for 18 years. I think it would be very interesting if SDG arrive in a Tangled-world, see her getting attacked (of course it would all be staged) and rescued her and then a whole portion of the world involves you protecting her trying to hunt down Flynn or something who "stole" Rapunzel from her.
That would be very fun for a Tangled world.
kupo1121
Considering Aqua is definitely one of the breakout stars of BbS (she is definitely among one of the most popular original KH characters ever) I and many other fans would probably agree that she needs more attention. I know I'm not the only one, but that's the whole reason I was very disappointed that BbSv2 never came to fruition, because anymore time playing as Aqua would have been welcomed.
Considering Aqua is definitely one of the breakout stars of BbS (she is definitely among one of the most popular original KH characters ever) I and many other fans would probably agree that she needs more attention. I know I'm not the only one, but that's the whole reason I was very disappointed that BbSv2 never came to fruition, because anymore time playing as Aqua would have been welcomed.
I'd also like her to get a more prominent role, seeing we haven't had such a strong female character in the series before and I'd hate it if she'd just disappear into the background.
Personally I think BbSv2 is still a possibility, maybe they could use it as a bridge between sagas tying both this and the next together. Showing events that happened within the Seekers of Darkness Saga that would eventually lead into the next one. Also I just want to know what the scenes with Riku and Kairi in Twilight Town meant...
| She could control the heartless, but remember that she is very manipulative. I'd love to see her actually manipulate SDG as she pleases before finding out she's evil at the end. I mean, sure the player knows she is evil, but remember how she played so coy in Tangled and was able to manipulate the Stabbington brothers, the old man, and Rapunzel herself for 18 years. I think it would be very interesting if SDG arrive in a Tangled-world, see her getting attacked (of course it would all be staged) and rescued her and then a whole portion of the world involves you protecting her trying to hunt down Flynn or something who "stole" Rapunzel from her. |
That would definitely be an interesting story and different from what we've got in most other worlds so far. Also knowing SDG they'd be to gullible not to fall for it. Mother Gothel definitely is good at manipulating people, especially if she can use guilt against them. On another note the Stabbington brothers would also make for an interesting mini-boss fight.
AdrianXXII
I'd also like her to get a more prominent role, seeing we haven't had such a strong female character in the series before and I'd hate it if she'd just disappear into the background.
Personally I think BbSv2 is still a possibility, maybe they could use it as a bridge between sagas tying both this and the next together. Showing events that happened within the Seekers of Darkness Saga that would eventually lead into the next one. Also I just want to know what the scenes with Riku and Kairi in Twilight Town meant...
I'd also like her to get a more prominent role, seeing we haven't had such a strong female character in the series before and I'd hate it if she'd just disappear into the background.
Personally I think BbSv2 is still a possibility, maybe they could use it as a bridge between sagas tying both this and the next together. Showing events that happened within the Seekers of Darkness Saga that would eventually lead into the next one. Also I just want to know what the scenes with Riku and Kairi in Twilight Town meant...
The thing I don't like about BbSv2 being the bridge between this saga and the next is just that...I don't want there to be a bridge. KH3 is great because it officially ends the Seeker of Darkness Chronicles and all things related to Xehanort. For those fans who want to drop KH after KH3, they can, knowing that everything is completely wrapped up that happened up to KH3. If BbSv2 took place during the SoD Chronicles, but extended into the new saga, it would make it very difficult to make it seem like the new saga is completely independent of the SoD Chronicles since it technically started there.
| That would definitely be an interesting story and different from what we've got in most other worlds so far. Also knowing SDG they'd be to gullible not to fall for it. Mother Gothel definitely is good at manipulating people, especially if she can use guilt against them. On another note the Stabbington brothers would also make for an interesting mini-boss fight. |
I agree about the Stabbington Brothers, in my mind, I thought that maybe after Gothel is disposed of and you start teaming up with Flynn (or Rapunzel), the Stabbington Brothers would hijack you in an attempt to steal the crown or get back at Flynn.
That or after Gothel is discovered to be evil, she could use the Stabbington Brothers to fight for her.
kupo1121
The thing I don't like about BbSv2 being the bridge between this saga and the next is just that...I don't want there to be a bridge. KH3 is great because it officially ends the Seeker of Darkness Chronicles and all things related to Xehanort. For those fans who want to drop KH after KH3, they can, knowing that everything is completely wrapped up that happened up to KH3. If BbSv2 took place during the SoD Chronicles, but extended into the new saga, it would make it very difficult to make it seem like the new saga is completely independent of the SoD Chronicles since it technically started there.
The thing I don't like about BbSv2 being the bridge between this saga and the next is just that...I don't want there to be a bridge. KH3 is great because it officially ends the Seeker of Darkness Chronicles and all things related to Xehanort. For those fans who want to drop KH after KH3, they can, knowing that everything is completely wrapped up that happened up to KH3. If BbSv2 took place during the SoD Chronicles, but extended into the new saga, it would make it very difficult to make it seem like the new saga is completely independent of the SoD Chronicles since it technically started there.
While I kind of get that I personally prefer there to be some link. I just don't like it when they pull what they do in shonen mangas so often, where you beat one opponent and suddenly a stronger more threatening one shows up without ever being foreshadowed.
Also I'd think of this game as more a way to wrap up some more lose ends while bringing up new questions for the new saga. You wouldn't have to see the new threat just feel it's presence, if that makes any sense.
| I agree about the Stabbington Brothers, in my mind, I thought that maybe after Gothel is disposed of and you start teaming up with Flynn (or Rapunzel), the Stabbington Brothers would hijack you in an attempt to steal the crown or get back at Flynn. That or after Gothel is discovered to be evil, she could use the Stabbington Brothers to fight for her. |
I think it's more likely that once SDG notice she's evil, she'd call them and we'd have a 3 on 3 battle.
There has to be a bridge in one way or another anyways since it continues to be mainly Sora's story which will also likely mean that many characters connected to Sora will be carried over. Nomura also explained that he has a plot in his mind that takes place after the Xehanort-chronicles, so it won't be suddenly an alternate universe nor would the happenings of the first saga suddenly be put totally under wraps.
That would not only be unlogical but also undo all the character development which each character had during the saga.
Ot let me quote it with Gandalfs words from LotR:
"The battle for Helm's Deep is over, but the battle for Middle-Earth has just begun."
"Helm's Deep" in this analogy standing for the whole conflict with Xehanort.
AdrianXXII
I think it's more likely that once SDG notice she's evil, she'd call them and we'd have a 3 on 3 battle.
I think it's more likely that once SDG notice she's evil, she'd call them and we'd have a 3 on 3 battle.
I think the concept of a 3 on 3 battle sounds awesome, but a really good 3 on 3, not the minions like Lock, Shock, and Barrel or Shenzi, Bonzai, and Ed. However, which one of the 3 (SDG) is honestly gonna beat up on Gothel??? I can't see anything of them hitting her haha
Sephiroth0812
There has to be a bridge in one way or another anyways since it continues to be mainly Sora's story which will also likely mean that many characters connected to Sora will be carried over. Nomura also explained that he has a plot in his mind that takes place after the Xehanort-chronicles, so it won't be suddenly an alternate universe nor would the happenings of the first saga suddenly be put totally under wraps.
That would not only be unlogical but also undo all the character development which each character had during the saga.
Ot let me quote it with Gandalfs words from LotR:
"The battle for Helm's Deep is over, but the battle for Middle-Earth has just begun."
"Helm's Deep" in this analogy standing for the whole conflict with Xehanort.
There has to be a bridge in one way or another anyways since it continues to be mainly Sora's story which will also likely mean that many characters connected to Sora will be carried over. Nomura also explained that he has a plot in his mind that takes place after the Xehanort-chronicles, so it won't be suddenly an alternate universe nor would the happenings of the first saga suddenly be put totally under wraps.
That would not only be unlogical but also undo all the character development which each character had during the saga.
Ot let me quote it with Gandalfs words from LotR:
"The battle for Helm's Deep is over, but the battle for Middle-Earth has just begun."
"Helm's Deep" in this analogy standing for the whole conflict with Xehanort.
The characters being a bridge is obvious, but I was thinking more a long the lines of what if after Xehanort was done, a few years passed with no conflict (not many since we don't want everyone getting TOO old) and then another enemy rose up. The new plot doesn't have to develop from within the Xehanort saga, that's kind of what I mean.
However, I will admit, that Gandalf quote at the end sounds really cool since that would make it seem like the whole Xehanort saga was just a piece of cake compared to what's about to come.
kupo1121
I think the concept of a 3 on 3 battle sounds awesome, but a really good 3 on 3, not the minions like Lock, Shock, and Barrel or Shenzi, Bonzai, and Ed. However, which one of the 3 (SDG) is honestly gonna beat up on Gothel??? I can't see anything of them hitting her haha
I think the concept of a 3 on 3 battle sounds awesome, but a really good 3 on 3, not the minions like Lock, Shock, and Barrel or Shenzi, Bonzai, and Ed. However, which one of the 3 (SDG) is honestly gonna beat up on Gothel??? I can't see anything of them hitting her haha
Agreed it should be better then one of does. Hehe true, maybe they can get Rapunzel to help. Personally I want her on my Team anyways and not Flyn. Just imagine her beating up heartless with her frying pan and hair. It would be awesome.
| The characters being a bridge is obvious, but I was thinking more a long the lines of what if after Xehanort was done, a few years passed with no conflict (not many since we don't want everyone getting TOO old) and then another enemy rose up. The new plot doesn't have to develop from within the Xehanort saga, that's kind of what I mean. However, I will admit, that Gandalf quote at the end sounds really cool since that would make it seem like the whole Xehanort saga was just a piece of cake compared to what's about to come. |
Well I still would like it to have been hinted at a little before hand. Also I don't really want a time skip, we've spent so little time with the 15y old Sora. Also I just can't see them aging him beyond his teens.
I like the idea of the SoD saga only being the beginning or even the catalyst that starts the events for the next saga to unfold, though that would probably lead big to a cliffhanger ending.
AdrianXXII
Agreed it should be better then one of does. Hehe true, maybe they can get Rapunzel to help. Personally I want her on my Team anyways and not Flyn. Just imagine her beating up heartless with her frying pan and hair. It would be awesome.
Agreed it should be better then one of does. Hehe true, maybe they can get Rapunzel to help. Personally I want her on my Team anyways and not Flyn. Just imagine her beating up heartless with her frying pan and hair. It would be awesome.
I think a Tangled world is a very delicate world that SE needs to handle with care. The reason being Tangled is probably (actually, it is no doubt) Disney's biggest movie in the past decade with Rapunzel already ascending to the popularity of around Ariel and Belle, who are the 2 timeless Disney princesses who have always been the most popular. On top of that, the movie did so well and so many Tangled fans (and believe me, there are a lot of them) would want respect out of a Tangled world more than any other world.
Another thing is that I think the movie Tangled had too many good fighters lol between Rapunzel with her pan, Flynn with his anything (he can fight), and Maximus, I don't know who I want to be fighting alongside. I really hope they can manage to make the world successful.
kupo1121
I think a Tangled world is a very delicate world that SE needs to handle with care. The reason being Tangled is probably (actually, it is no doubt) Disney's biggest movie in the past decade with Rapunzel already ascending to the popularity of around Ariel and Belle, who are the 2 timeless Disney princesses who have always been the most popular. On top of that, the movie did so well and so many Tangled fans (and believe me, there are a lot of them) would want respect out of a Tangled world more than any other world.
Another thing is that I think the movie Tangled had too many good fighters lol between Rapunzel with her pan, Flynn with his anything (he can fight), and Maximus, I don't know who I want to be fighting alongside. I really hope they can manage to make the world successful.
I think a Tangled world is a very delicate world that SE needs to handle with care. The reason being Tangled is probably (actually, it is no doubt) Disney's biggest movie in the past decade with Rapunzel already ascending to the popularity of around Ariel and Belle, who are the 2 timeless Disney princesses who have always been the most popular. On top of that, the movie did so well and so many Tangled fans (and believe me, there are a lot of them) would want respect out of a Tangled world more than any other world.
Another thing is that I think the movie Tangled had too many good fighters lol between Rapunzel with her pan, Flynn with his anything (he can fight), and Maximus, I don't know who I want to be fighting alongside. I really hope they can manage to make the world successful.
I didn't realize Tangled was that popular. It's good to see Rapunzel being so well received. Personally I think that give us even more reason to have her play the more prominent role. I'm pretty sure SE would know how to handle a Tangled world, they do tend to treat the movies their worlds are based on with respect. I also think a world based on that movie would be really gorgeous.
Well that is true. It would be nice if they'd add more than just 1 guest party members per world that way we could have Rapunzel and Flynn as guest party members. This is something I'm actually hoping for quite a few worlds they might use like the Incredibles and Wreck-It Ralph to name a few.
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
Lnds500
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
How? How does that make any sense at all?
The PS4 is graphically powerful and her hair will look fine, if not better.
Lnds500
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
Not sure what PS4 would have to do with Rapunzel's hair. The fact that the PS4 has more power means they can render it with less issue than they would have before. Disney had to make a program just for rendering the lighting in her hair and animate it separately from her model in the film, but SE wouldn't be doing half of the things they had to do with her hair in the film in the game. What Disney did was, rather than animate 100k strands of hair they took 100 tubes and animated the motions between the 100 tubes. The difficulties lied in the shadows and lighting on her hair, and the overall length.
Since Square Enix has Luminous, they should have it easy when it comes to lighting. The engine will do it for them, but I think the difficulty will stem in rendering the length and making it move in her hands. Of course, if Square Enix can make large things like say Leviathan or Noctis on those buildings crashing into each other on DirectX 11, they should be able to do something like Rapunzel's hair on both DX11 and Luminous.
Taochan
How? How does that make any sense at all?
The PS4 is graphically powerful and her hair will look fine, if not better.
How? How does that make any sense at all?
The PS4 is graphically powerful and her hair will look fine, if not better.
Master Spockanort
Not sure what PS4 would have to do with Rapunzel's hair. The fact that the PS4 has more power means they can render it with less issue than they would have before. Disney had to make a program just for rendering the lighting in her hair and animate it separately from her model in the film, but SE wouldn't be doing half of the things they had to do with her hair in the film in the game. What Disney did was, rather than animate 100k strands of hair they took 100 tubes and animated the motions between the 100 tubes. The difficulties lied in the shadows and lighting on her hair, and the overall length.
Since Square Enix has Luminous, they should have it easy when it comes to lighting. The engine will do it for them, but I think the difficulty will stem in rendering the length and making it move in her hands. Of course, if Square Enix can make large things like say Leviathan or Noctis on those buildings crashing into each other on DirectX 11, they should be able to do something like Rapunzel's hair on both DX11 and Luminous.
Not sure what PS4 would have to do with Rapunzel's hair. The fact that the PS4 has more power means they can render it with less issue than they would have before. Disney had to make a program just for rendering the lighting in her hair and animate it separately from her model in the film, but SE wouldn't be doing half of the things they had to do with her hair in the film in the game. What Disney did was, rather than animate 100k strands of hair they took 100 tubes and animated the motions between the 100 tubes. The difficulties lied in the shadows and lighting on her hair, and the overall length.
Since Square Enix has Luminous, they should have it easy when it comes to lighting. The engine will do it for them, but I think the difficulty will stem in rendering the length and making it move in her hands. Of course, if Square Enix can make large things like say Leviathan or Noctis on those buildings crashing into each other on DirectX 11, they should be able to do something like Rapunzel's hair on both DX11 and Luminous.
Not gonna happen. Everyone can create realistic hair, but it takes a powerhouse to render them in real-time. Hair simulation is incredibly complex and one of the most power hungry part of CGI graphics. That's why we have countless heroes which are bald, have a hat on or wear a rubber band etc etc. Not even high end PCs can handle it. It's a very easy compromise to make when you need every bit of power the system has to offer. There are starting to put some effort in it but it's not even close to what it should be. Disney/Pixar managed to master realistic hair at the last minute in 2010 and that's with super-computers and not in real-time. The PS4 will not be able to handle this, and since the movie is all about her fluid, realistic hair, the inclusion would be unpleasant-looking. Same goes for Merida.
Lnds500
Not gonna happen. Everyone can create realistic hair, but it takes a powerhouse to render them in real-time. Hair simulation is incredibly complex and one of the most power hungry part of CGI graphics. That's why we have countless heroes which are bald, have a hat on or wear a rubber band etc etc. Not even high end PCs can handle it. It's a very easy compromise to make when you need every bit of power the system has to offer. There are starting to put some effort in it but it's not even close to what it should be. Disney/Pixar managed to master realistic hair at the last minute in 2010 and that's with super-computers and not in real-time. The PS4 will not be able to handle this, and since the movie is all about her fluid, realistic hair, the inclusion would be unpleasant-looking. Same goes for Merida.
Not gonna happen. Everyone can create realistic hair, but it takes a powerhouse to render them in real-time. Hair simulation is incredibly complex and one of the most power hungry part of CGI graphics. That's why we have countless heroes which are bald, have a hat on or wear a rubber band etc etc. Not even high end PCs can handle it. It's a very easy compromise to make when you need every bit of power the system has to offer. There are starting to put some effort in it but it's not even close to what it should be. Disney/Pixar managed to master realistic hair at the last minute in 2010 and that's with super-computers and not in real-time. The PS4 will not be able to handle this, and since the movie is all about her fluid, realistic hair, the inclusion would be unpleasant-looking. Same goes for Merida.
Well it's not like there wasn't a Tangled game before and I'm pretty sure SE can do the hair animation better than that game did. Also I don't see why the hair should be an issue with Merida seeing it wasn't a focus at all in her movie at all.
Lol pretty sure if this awful looking game could make her hair work on the Wii and for low-end PCs no less (albiet they made her hair one long sheet and it looks like crap rofl), 100% certain SE can do it, make it look like hair and with proper lighting, and keep the processing power required to render it in real-time down to a minimum. There are many different shortcuts that can be taken to do these things and if there is one thing SE is good at, it is accomplishing the impossible and pushing the limits of a console.
Also SE wouldn't try to go for Pixar's hyper-realistic look with five shades of red for Merida's hair if they had a Brave world. They'd simplify it, and then use tricks to make it look close enough. They don't need every curl to bounce and move in the wind.
Master Spockanort
Lol pretty sure if this awful looking game could make her hair work on the Wii and for low-end PCs no less (albiet they made her hair one long sheet and it looks like crap rofl), 100% certain SE can do it, make it look like hair and with proper lighting, and keep the processing power required to render it in real-time down to a minimum. There are many different shortcuts that can be taken to do these things and if there is one thing SE is good at, it is accomplishing the impossible and pushing the limits of a console.
Also SE wouldn't try to go for Pixar's hyper-realistic look with five shades of red for Merida's hair if they had a Brave world. They'd simplify it, and then use tricks to make it look close enough. They don't need every curl to bounce and move in the wind.
Lol pretty sure if this awful looking game could make her hair work on the Wii and for low-end PCs no less (albiet they made her hair one long sheet and it looks like crap rofl), 100% certain SE can do it, make it look like hair and with proper lighting, and keep the processing power required to render it in real-time down to a minimum. There are many different shortcuts that can be taken to do these things and if there is one thing SE is good at, it is accomplishing the impossible and pushing the limits of a console.
Also SE wouldn't try to go for Pixar's hyper-realistic look with five shades of red for Merida's hair if they had a Brave world. They'd simplify it, and then use tricks to make it look close enough. They don't need every curl to bounce and move in the wind.
I am not saying they can't do something like the Wii game did (which was awful as you said). Sure they could make Rapunzel's hair a big flexible cylinder or a long piece of cloth with added textures on them. If they can make it realistic enough just be using similar techniques to that then I take my hat off to them. But if they can't find a way around the problem, unrealistic animation and simulation tend to take you out of the game. Imagine having CGI-like characters on screen (Sora, Donald, Goofy) interact with a character whose hair looks unnatural. Rapunzel also has the disadvantage that she was a CGI character to begin with. You know how she is supposed to look. With character from hand drawn animation you expect them to be different and their hair wasn't realistic to begin with. But you (subconsciously) expect to see Rapunzel as you know her, or a pretty close version of her.
Anyway, I am fascinated by realistic hair in CG and not having something similar in a Tangled world would be incredibly off-putting to me. I understand that a lot of other people may not care as much.
Lnds500
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
A Tangled world would look awful on the PS4 due to Rapunzel's hair. I don't believe they'll do it.
Lnds500
Anyway, I am fascinated by realistic hair in CG and not having something similar in a Tangled world would be incredibly off-putting to me. I understand that a lot of other people may not care as much.
Anyway, I am fascinated by realistic hair in CG and not having something similar in a Tangled world would be incredibly off-putting to me. I understand that a lot of other people may not care as much.
If you think a Tangled world would be bad because of her hair, Disney already provided a solution in the form of little girls that can braid lol
I don't think Rapunzel's original hair is all that great for fighting since people would definitely step on it, and if she is using a pan for a weapon, she doesn't need her hair to fight so why not have it braided?
Nazo
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