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Published on June 16, 2020 @ 03:29 pm
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Square Enix released a new trailer today detailing upcoming releases for the KINGDOM HEARTS series over the course of 2020. This 2nd phase includes the following:

  • Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind (January 23rd)
  • Kingdom Hearts Union X Dark Road (June 22nd)
  • Kingdom Hearts Melody of Memory
  • ???
  • ???

There are additional empty spaces below these titles as well. 

What do you think the two unannounced projects are? Share your thoughts with us!

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Vanitas666

June 16, 2020 @ 03:43 pmOffline

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An actual fully fledged PS4 game I hope!
And the tv series, Kingdom Hearts Reconnect.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:43 pmOffline

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The other two trios? Who else is left? Kairi and Riku look to be in Melody of Memory, The Xehanort stuff is on Dark Road. Union X is still going on. The BBS and Twilight gang are the only ones not covered at the moment, unless they make like...in Ava game.

Andriux

June 16, 2020 @ 03:44 pmOffline

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I saw the slew of trailers. I think I’m more excited about the Kairi but cannot wait to see what’s done with her character!

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:46 pmOffline

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If the series ends up being one of those slots...

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 03:49 pmOffline

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In the 5 min soundtrack trailer shortly before the end there is a part labeled "Second memory" while showing off Axel/Lea and Sora both together with Roxas, so maybe that's one of the two incorporating the "twilight gang"-side of things while the last one is something with TAV.

Ink Ribbon

June 16, 2020 @ 03:51 pmOffline

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If it’s just for a 2020 release window, then probably a Fragmentary Passage type game and the rumored tv show perhaps.

If it extends beyond 2020 then maybe DDD2 and Verum Rex.

okhi12

June 16, 2020 @ 04:01 pmOffline

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Wow. I'm still trying to process all of this.
I just hope UX/ Dark Road is the only mobile title and the two unknown projects are for PS4/XBO or Switch.
I'm as hyped as I can be, but I'm also worried that the KH series will spread too much across different systems... again.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 04:02 pmOffline

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One is probably KH4 itself. Saving Sora probably IS the KH4 plot at this point.

okhi12

June 16, 2020 @ 04:09 pmOffline

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MATGSY

One is probably KH4 itself. Saving Sora probably IS the KH4 plot at this point.

Unless Sora is who saves himself I don't think so, because KH4 as a numbered title should have Sora as the main character.
But that wouldn't be bad, as long as we don't have to wait forever.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 04:14 pmOffline

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My guesses for the two spots are the Shibuya/Shinjuku game and the eventual KH4

EDIT: Oh wait this is just for 2020? Then maybe one spot is just for the tv series

Nukara

June 16, 2020 @ 04:27 pmOffline

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Will it be Verum Rex and KH4?
Or will they pay attention to the same TAV trio or Lea and Isa and their lost girlfriend?
Will KH4 come out much later than these two slots?
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Could you please explain in the trailer two empty slots were indicated and still can not understand this announcement of KH only in 2020? Or are these two slots made for two full-fledged future games in a series like Verum Rex and KH4?

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Aurablade77

June 16, 2020 @ 05:02 pmOffline

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I want them to release Sea Salt Ice Cream in grocery stores

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:09 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

My guesses for the two spots are the Shibuya/Shinjuku game and the eventual KH4

EDIT: Oh wait this is just for 2020? Then maybe one spot is just for the tv series

What happened to the tv series? Nothing on that at all. The fact that Square hasn't mentioned it with all this KH news going around makes me wonder.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:10 pmOffline

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Nukara

Will it be Verum Rex

Doubt it.

Nukara

Or are these two slots made for two full-fledged future games in a series like Verum Rex and KH4?

No one knows. The same way DR and MoM are part of the second phase could mean that maybe another "spinoff" is a part of it, or even the animated series.

mouflon

June 16, 2020 @ 05:48 pmOffline

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I’m most curious about those empty boxes and the fact that have arrows pointing up/down.

The flow of the first arrows seem contained in the first two sets of boxes. We start in the empty lower box, move into Re:Mind, go back down into a larger box with fuzzy text in it (unless there’s an example of a higher quality version somewhere?). We then get an arrow which moves into Dark Road.

The next arrow doesn’t connect with Dark Road. Seems to me like it’s beneath MoM. It flows down into an empty box, then back up into MoM. It doesn’t connect or “flow” into anything else.

The last two empty boxes on the upper layer all connect like the first set with Re:Mind/Dark Road did. Since we don’t have games/whatevers to fill these I’m gonna call the boxes KH-Phase2-1 and KH-Phase2-2 since I was confusing myself by using the word ‘box’ so many times.

From KH-Phase2-1, the arrow moves down into an empty box, but the arrow pointing up from it seems positioned almost directly in between KH-Phase2-1 and KH-Phase2-2. It’s ever so slightly more pointing at KH-Phase2-2. Just skims the edge of the box. After that, an arrow points down from KH-Phase2-2 into a small box, like the one at the start.

And yes I am a giant saddo having sat here an analyzed boxes in a Kingdom Hearts trailer.

It struck my interest since it reminds me of the “movement map” or whatever you’d call it for stuff like Pokémon Bank and Home. I don’t know what the arrows could be referring to, though. It’s not we can ‘move’ items, equipment or characters from ??? into Re:Mind which we can then, via another channel, move into Dark Road.

Is it indicating the movement of a character(s), maybe? As in, movement through time? Maybe some form of inter-game connectivity will begin going forward (please goodness no)? Maybe I’m overlooking something really obvious like a giant dumb dumb? Or maybe it indicates the trailer editor and Nomura can troll me super hard?

Ah, Boxes. My favourite Organization member.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:49 pmOffline

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*dramatic pause*
When in hell are we gonna learn what's in the Black Box?

KeybladeLordSora

June 16, 2020 @ 06:03 pmOffline

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Isn't there anything on that isn't about BOXES?!

And now back to Championship Boxing.

mouflon

June 16, 2020 @ 06:07 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Isn't there anything on that isn't about BOXES?!

And now back to Championship Boxing.


lol, there really is a SpongeBob quote for every situation.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 06:46 pmOffline

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-Kingdom Hearts: Sora Rescues Himself Because He's a Strong Independent Boy Who Don't Need No Man
-Kingdom Karts

KeybladeLordSora

Isn't there anything on that isn't about BOXES?!

And now back to Championship Boxing.
Oh god, I can hear this.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 06:50 pmOffline

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I really hope that one of these empty slots is a Union Cross remake because that game's story is too good to stick to mobile.

Sephiroth0812

In the 5 min soundtrack trailer shortly before the end there is a part labelled "Second memory" while showing off Axel/Lea and Sora both together with Roxas, so maybe that's one of the two incorporating the "twilight gang"-side of things while the last one is something with TAV.


That's my guesstimation, too. Spiritual successor games to 358/2 Days and Birth by Sleep.

KeybladeLordSora

June 16, 2020 @ 07:02 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

In the 5 min soundtrack trailer shortly before the end there is a part labeled "Second memory" while showing off Axel/Lea and Sora both together with Roxas, so maybe that's one of the two incorporating the "twilight gang"-side of things while the last one is something with TAV.

Pretty sure the Second Memory thing is a merch related thing.

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 07:11 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

In the 5 min soundtrack trailer shortly before the end there is a part labeled "Second memory" while showing off Axel/Lea and Sora both together with Roxas, so maybe that's one of the two incorporating the "twilight gang"-side of things while the last one is something with TAV.

It's a lottery thing hosted by Ichiban Kuji. They've got a new line of merchandise including figures, plushies and other knick knacks that you can win. Nothing to do with games and inaccessible to anyone outside to Japan, hence why we didn't really mention it xD

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/202006170006/[/URL]

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 07:19 pmOffline

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Sign

It's a lottery thing hosted by Ichiban Kuji. They've got a new line of merchandise including figures, plushies and other knick knacks that you can win. Nothing to do with games and inaccessible to anyone outside to Japan, hence why we didn't really mention it xD

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/202006170006/[/URL]


Ah, okay.

Thanks for the clarification.

That makes the two "boxes" still complete guess work yet I do think that the "Twilight gang" and the Wayfinder Trio having their own (part) adventures is a high possibility.
If they do, let's hope they handle their interactions, bonds and actual characterisation better than they did during the Xehanort saga.
And I still think in the mid to long term it would be better if they break up the strict "trio" mold and let the major characters all intermingle with each other with rotating focus on all of them to avoid both overcrowding and neglecting.

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 07:19 pmOffline

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KH UX remake for consoles have to be one of them. the story is too important to stay on mobile

SuperNova

June 16, 2020 @ 07:33 pmOffline

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Maybe the other two projects are a UX remake for consoles and that rumored KH Disney plus series. I really doubt we are gonna find Sora and start DDD v2 by the end of 2020.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 07:44 pmOffline

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Sign

It's a lottery thing hosted by Ichiban Kuji. They've got a new line of merchandise including figures, plushies and other knick knacks that you can win. Nothing to do with games and inaccessible to anyone outside to Japan, hence why we didn't really mention it xD

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/202006170006/[/URL]

Oh, good. For a second there, I was worried we'd have to buy merchandise to understand the story.?

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 07:48 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Oh, good. For a second there, I was worried we'd have to buy merchandise to understand the story.?

don't even joke ;A;

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 07:58 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Oh, good. For a second there, I was worried we'd have to buy merchandise to understand the story.?


Sign

don't even joke ;A;


Was about to say just that, lol.
Don't give Nomura ideas, he'll make merch and everything else canon and invent five more nonsensical twists that throw the established universe out of whack but it will be "surprising".

If some concert pieces already hold canon information having some extra character background with action figures or some new secret reports with Kingdom Hearts notebooks™ which can only be bought in Japan is not impossible.

GrandMaster_Chris

June 16, 2020 @ 08:06 pmOffline

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So just to clarify, the rhythm game is Melody of Memories and not the one that looks like it's based on Kairi?

Antifa Lockhart

June 16, 2020 @ 08:13 pmOffline

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GrandMaster_Chris

So just to clarify, the rhythm game is Melody of Memories and not the one that looks like it's based on Kairi?


The rhythm game, Melody of Memories, IS the Kairi game

rokudamia2

June 16, 2020 @ 08:13 pmOffline

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Got some major mcu vibes from the announcement of phase 2.

Oracle Spockanort

June 16, 2020 @ 08:17 pmOffline

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rokudamia2

Got some major mcu vibes from the announcement of phase 2.


I mean...

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 08:19 pmOffline

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Well if one of the projects is the TV series I'm guessing it will be a side story taking place after KH3 rather then an adaptation of the games. Either starring MDG, TAV, or the Twilight Town gang

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 08:24 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Well if one of the projects is the TV series I'm guessing it will be a side story taking place after KH3 rather then an adaptation of the games. Either starring MDG, TAV, or the Twilight Town gang


In that case I'd bet on MDG as they're pure Disney characters and would be used by Disney to market the hell out of them as main characters.
Could even be a callback to the old Disney animated cartoons where you often had MDG doing stuff together.
TAV and the Twilight Town gang might maybe appear as some cameos or support characters, but I could also see them making it a pure Disney show with just MDG visiting Disney worlds and leaving the KH original elements largely out.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 08:43 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

In that case I'd bet on MDG as they're pure Disney characters and would be used by Disney to market the hell out of them as main characters.
Could even be a callback to the old Disney animated cartoons where you often had MDG doing stuff together.
TAV and the Twilight Town gang might maybe appear as some cameos or support characters, but I could also see them making it a pure Disney show with just MDG visiting Disney worlds and leaving the KH original elements largely out.

Plus Maleficent and Pete could show up as antagonists. It would like Coded minus Data Sora and Riku, lol

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 09:21 pmOffline

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Ones on the bottom could be novels and the show.


...Or maybe Days/Coded HD?

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 09:22 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Plus Maleficent and Pete could show up as antagonists. It would like Coded minus Data Sora and Riku, lol

Aww, I liked Data Sora and Data Riku :(

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AR829038

June 16, 2020 @ 09:33 pmOffline

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So, from what I can tell, the lineup is labeled as "2nd phase", which means these are not just the titles that will be released in 2020, but the entire lineup of Phase 2, and that could mean a couple of things.
One thing I'm certain of is that, if this is the whole lineup of Phase 2, then the last slot HAS to be Kingdom Hearts IV. There's no way around that. Otherwise, it's not a complete Phase. And my guess is that the game before that will probably be either the Verum Rex game or something chronicling TAV and maybe also RAX on their own quest for Sora.
But beyond that, I wonder—is Phase 2 going to encompass the entire Foretellers Saga? Because if it is, then DAMN, it's a lot shorter than the Xehanort Saga was! I guess that means Nomura learned from all the pushback against the neverending wait for 3 and is trying to compress this saga more.

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 09:52 pmOffline

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Heh, I wonder what makes people so sure that there even will be a "KH IV" at all.

In order to be more free and better tell the stories of the KH universe and its by now rather big cast those big "numbered" titles following a stale formula are more a hindrance than a help, especially when considering that for several faults of KH II corrected by KH III its pacing is just as atrocious as the 2005 game if not even worse.
If anything KH III shows that the general formula by which I, II and III run is not sufficient anymore for the scale and scope this fictional universe has reached. That Re:Mind had to be added retroactively to finally give some of the other major characters some barebone focus and a true meaningful connection between main plot and Disney worlds still couldn't be maintained shows this imho the best.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 09:57 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

Heh, I wonder what makes people so sure that there even will be a "KH IV" at all.

In order to be more free and better tell the stories of the KH universe and its by now rather big cast those big "numbered" titles following a stale formula are more a hindrance than a help, especially when considering that for several faults of KH II corrected by KH III its pacing is just as atrocious as the 2005 game if not even worse.
If anything KH III shows that the general formula by which I, II and III run is not sufficient anymore for the scale and scope this fictional universe has reached. That Re:Mind had to be added retroactively to finally give some of the other major characters some barebone focus and a true meaningful connection between main plot and Disney worlds still couldn't be maintained shows this imho the best.

While I actually agree with some of this, I think they'll keep numbered titles for their big event games. I do think there will be a KH4 and a ReMind/Final Mix for it as well. And the numbered titles will likely always be Sora, Donald, and Goofy as the main leads. The other characters will thrive in the spinoffs leading into the numbered titles. In short the numbered titles are the Avengers while the smaller titles are the individuals leading into them.

mriku90

June 16, 2020 @ 10:44 pmOffline

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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Honestly Kingdom Hearts being treated like the MCU with orchestrated and planned release dates across the phases like huh? That's not how it's been for the first 20 years of Phase One.

I'm curious to wonder if the success of KH3 has made Disney realize just what it is exactly they have in their hands.

The animated series is not in any of this information cause it's not a Phase. It's likely a retelling of the entire story through CGI animation. Plus Disney will announce the show. I don't expect Square will.

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 10:54 pmOffline

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GreyouTT

Ones on the bottom could be novels and the show.


...Or maybe Days/Coded HD?

I don't think they gonna waste time making days/coded HD, especially that we moved into a new saga so they won't have much relevance and they already got HD movie.

mriku90

June 16, 2020 @ 10:58 pmOffline

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Should we rest safe in the knowledge that MOM is gonna be backwards compatible with PS5 and the other next gen console? I remember how Sony said the games coming out this year and next year will be compatikle with next gne consoles.

Xblade13

June 16, 2020 @ 11:07 pmOffline

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Square Enix released a new trailer today detailing upcoming releases for the KINGDOM HEARTS series over the course of 2020. This 2nd phase includes the following:




  • Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind (January 23rd)

  • Kingdom Hearts Union X Dark Road (June 22nd)

  • Kingdom Hearts Melody of Memory

  • ???

  • ???


There are additional empty spaces below these titles as well. 


What do you think the two unannounced projects are? Share your thoughts with us!


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Honestly, even though Nomura said that ReMind would be all the DLC for KH3, I can't seem to shake the realization that one of the slots is for that DLC. One of the other slots could very well be a surprise DLC for 3.

That and the rumored Disney+ show.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 11:51 pmOffline

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don't even joke ;A;
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SweetYetSalty

While I actually agree with some of this, I think they'll keep numbered titles for their big event games. I do think there will be a KH4 and a ReMind/Final Mix for it as well. And the numbered titles will likely always be Sora, Donald, and Goofy as the main leads. The other characters will thrive in the spinoffs leading into the numbered titles. In short the numbered titles are the Avengers while the smaller titles are the individuals leading into them.
It doesn't sound bad on paper, but KH did this already and that didn't turn out too well...

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 12:13 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

??

It doesn't sound bad on paper, but KH did this already and that didn't turn out too well...

They can try again, with more experience this time.

Xblade13

June 17, 2020 @ 01:47 amOffline

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mriku90

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Honestly Kingdom Hearts being treated like the MCU with orchestrated and planned release dates across the phases like huh? That's not how it's been for the first 20 years of Phase One.

I'm curious to wonder if the success of KH3 has made Disney realize just what it is exactly they have in their hands.

The animated series is not in any of this information cause it's not a Phase. It's likely a retelling of the entire story through CGI animation. Plus Disney will announce the show. I don't expect Square will.

I think that is entirely the case. Disney screwed up badly with Star Wars, and the MCU is losing a little traction in the wait after Endgame. They are thirsty for their next big blockbuster franchise.

KH3 has outsold every single other game in the series. It may be a shock to those of us who have been fans of it forever, but this series has always been niche. Without Disney it probably wouldn't have even made it past the first game. But KH3 was closer to a AAA modern blockbuster in game sales.

So of course Disney was like "oh, we gave Square some more focus with this Kingdom Hearts thing, and the fans bought it like crazy! Let's turn it into the next MCU! It basically already connects all of our very popular animated movies together." And so Square created a few more dev studios so they could multitask and make multiple Kingdom Hearts games at the same time.

No more slow drips, no more waiting for 13 years while the public shuns only "spinoff" titles waiting for a magical number 3. For all we know they might not even do Roman numeral titles anymore.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 02:59 amOffline

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I'm more inlined to believe that we're not getting games related to the Wayfinder or Ice Cream trio and that the next entries to the boxes could be the animated series, DDD Vol.2 and KHUx remake.

But if they do start treating the Universe of KINGDOM HEARTS like the MCU, I may start inclining towards the possibility of a new BBS and Days happening.

Nukara

June 17, 2020 @ 04:20 amOffline

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Since "Memories" is still in the title of the game, should we wait for cutscenes featuring a twilight gang studying Roxas and Xion's memory??

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DizneyXBirds95

June 17, 2020 @ 04:36 amOffline

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Who's to say what the two unannounced projects will be, but If I had to guess it will be:
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[*]A Dream Drop Distance style game or a Union Cross remake for Consoles (PS4/PS5, XBOX Series X)
[*]The Disney+ Kingdom Hearts Series
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I don't think it's going to be KHIV, as more than likely they will announce that once MoM and the two unnounced projects have came out during Phase 2.

Hopefully later this year or after the release of Melody of Memory we will find out more about the two unnounced KH projects, in fact it wouldn't surprise if one of the unannounced projects comes out in 2022 which is the 20th Anniversary of the KH franchise and when the first game came out.

Heartkeeper

June 17, 2020 @ 06:57 amOffline

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mriku90

Should we rest safe in the knowledge that MOM is gonna be backwards compatible with PS5 and the other next gen console? I remember how Sony said the games coming out this year and next year will be compatikle with next gne consoles.



Any PS4 games submitted for certification after July 13 have to be compatible with PS5, I think is safe to say this game will be compatible at launch.

qbaysan

June 17, 2020 @ 08:26 amOffline

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Didn't Nomura say in the Ultimania interview there's like three games he wanted to be made before KH4 comes out, well technically 2 games, and a special project? And with the Darknesses interview, it certainly lines up to how many teams are working on these games:
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[*]Osaka Team - KH4
[*]KHUX Team - Dark Road
[*]Team 3 - Melody of Memory
[*]Team 4 - Unannounced Title
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So we've got actually one more side game before KH4 comes in. The last box of the 2nd phase pic has to be KH4, right?

I'm guessing that one side game has to be Verum Rex related with Riku. But it's not the whole story of Verum Rex, since I feel that it's hard to put it all in one side game. Feels like Nomura's probably dividing it into three parts. First part is Riku's search for Sora while exploring a portion of VR's setting and a little bit about Yozora, then KH4 with Sora, MoM and Yozora, and finally a prequel featuring Yozora. Ya know, kinda like how Versus was meant to span several games?

But aside from that, I think that one side game with Riku+Verum Rex probably is just half of the game. Now that Kairi's actually awake instead of sleeping it off until Sora comes back, I think the first half probably is more about Kairi staying behind instead of going with Riku to the Verum Rex world.

Feels like in order to justify Riku+Verum Rex game as a Disney game, Kairi is the one meant to explore Disney Worlds for Disney's stamp of approval. She's probably there to resolve a few plot points regarding a some of KHX and UX's loose ends, now that we're exploring a portion of her past in Melody of Memory. I mean she's probably more in tune with the whole KHX series thing than Riku, considering the first thing we see when playing KHX and KHUX is her grandmother telling her the story of the Keyblade War.

Also, having a Kairi campaign on the Unannounced Title is a good way to include the Days quartet's new subplot, formally introducing Subject X into the series, and even explore a little bit on Ven's background : ). Probably even having face reveals of at least one or two of the Foretellers. But personally I don't think BBS trio will be explored that much, not until Dark Road is close to ending since I feel like Terra and Aqua would connect more to there than KHUX itself.

Well, I'm probably just being optimistic though. haha

Hedginka

June 17, 2020 @ 09:44 amOffline

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To me, the fact that KH3 is listed in the second phase really showcases how much it focused on setting up other games, rather than being a satisfying conclusion.

SuperSaiyanSora

June 17, 2020 @ 09:53 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

What happened to the tv series? Nothing on that at all. The fact that Square hasn't mentioned it with all this KH news going around makes me wonder.


It was rumored and never confirmed, so... That's probably it. Unless they plan on announcing it later, the Disney Plus series rumor was just that -- a rumor.

Ballad of Caius

*dramatic pause*
When in hell are we gonna learn what's in the Black Box?


If KH4 is going to be the conclusion to this saga, then KH4 at the absolute latest. The way it's been touched on now and again, that's probably going to continue until the last minute.

There's opportunities for it to be revealed in UX's last chapters and Dark Road, but that would have to involve Luxu being around somewhere. So Dark Road is also likely. But knowing how this series is, it's probably gonna take KH4 to actually say what's in it.

The Master of Masters didn't want it to be opened though, so... Whatever's inside would have to be something that's problematic to the Master in some way. Luxord said that apparently Xigbar said the box contains "hope" though, so...

Ballad of Caius

I'm more inlined to believe that we're not getting games related to the Wayfinder or Ice Cream trio and that the next entries to the boxes could be the animated series, DDD Vol.2 and KHUx remake.

But if they do start treating the Universe of KINGDOM HEARTS like the MCU, I may start inclining towards the possibility of a new BBS and Days happening.


And not gonna lie, I think most people want another Days game for the sake of it. There's nothing wrong with wanting one, but this is how the series gets "convoluted" with "too many games" if there's no actual need for them. Same with BBS Vol. 2, if there's no actual journey of value to be had there, then it's gonna do more harm than good. And people already have issues with Melody of Memories being a rhythm game with lore in it.

Cause I know how this is gonna go, they'll make a Days 2/BBS Vol. 2, it's not what people wanted, and then they're gonna say "Oh why wasn't this just a cutscene or two in the next game, we didn't need this. Fucking Nomura and his cash grabs."

Oracle Spockanort

June 17, 2020 @ 12:17 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

Heh, I wonder what makes people so sure that there even will be a "KH IV" at all.


Nomura quite directly said there are multiple projects he wanted to get out before “mainline Kingdom Hearts”

Mainline to him meaning the numbered titles as we have always understood things.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.khinsider.com/news/Nomura-discusses-Kingdom-Hearts-3-Re-Mind-new-teams-and-future-projects-in-Twitter-Q-A-16466[/URL]

Oracle Spockanort

June 17, 2020 @ 12:18 pmOffline

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Englishhedgehog

To me, the fact that KH3 is listed in the second phase really showcases how much it focused on setting up other games, rather than being a satisfying conclusion.


That isn’t KH3, it is Re:Mind.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 01:33 pmOffline

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Nukara

Since "Memories" is still in the title of the game, should we wait for cutscenes featuring a twilight gang studying Roxas and Xion's memory??

Uh... why, though? They're both recovered? Y presume "memories" is in plural because it's about the memories of Kairi and Sora, based on the fact that Kairi's heart was joined with Sora's.

DizneyXBirds95

[LIST]
[*]A Dream Drop Distance style game or a Union Cross remake for Consoles (PS4/PS5, XBOX Series X)
[*]The Disney+ Kingdom Hearts Series
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Or both games and the animated series is part of Phase 2, but not aligned with the other media.

DizneyXBirds95

Hopefully later this year or after the release of Melody of Memory we will find out more about the two unnounced KH projects,

I presume MoM will contain a secret ending of some sort that will hint towards the next game in the series.

qbaysan

I'm guessing that one side game has to be Verum Rex related with Riku.

If we get a Verum Rex game, I'm more than sure it'll be its own thing. Either entirely separate from the universe of KH or not so separate.

SuperSaiyanSora

Luxord said that apparently Xigbar said the box contains "hope" though, so...

That was Xemnas. Xemnas told him that. Xigbar just said that a Blackbox existed and sent everyone in a wild goose chase for some unknown reason.

SuperSaiyanSora

Cause I know how this is gonna go, they'll make a Days 2/BBS Vol. 2, it's not what people wanted, and then they're gonna say "Oh why wasn't this just a cutscene or two in the next game, we didn't need this. Fucking Nomura and his cash grabs."

I mean, from the looks of it, the Wayfinder Trio will try to look for Sora in the Realm of Darkness. There's enough to be explored here, like restoring Worlds succumbed to the Darkness.

Eonstar890

June 17, 2020 @ 02:02 pmOffline

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So MoM looks like it takes place right after Re:Mind and deals with Kairis lost memory and her search for Sora.

If I had to guess, the other two titles would (hopefully) take place after that chronologically.

As we already know, Ventus, Lea, and Isa have strong connections to the KHUX cast, as well as Elrena and Lauriam who should be recompleted by now. With this in mind, I think that the two new titles will be

1) The introduction of the foretellers to the modern era. We saw them arrive in the epilogue and we know maleficent at the very least will be hunting them down for that box. I could see this game being the spiritual successor to both BBS and Days with those characters bring the ones to face the Foretellers. This way we also get a non numbered title that can still focus on not Sora characters. I definitely feel like the whole idea of “killing” Sora off was to let other characters shine in his absence.

2) Riku and Kairis journey to save Sora. This one would focus on the two trying to get to the world of Verum Rex and find their friend. I can see Kairi and Riku getting some hints in MoM as to how to start this journey. This would act as the successor to DDD. And probably include stuff to do with the Lost Master, Luxord and possibly Demyx. (Demyx and Riku has that small interaction in Re:Mind which may have been setting up for a later interaction...)

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 02:09 pmOffline

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Eonstar890

So MoM looks like it takes place right after Re:Mind and deals with Kairis lost memory and her search for Sora.

If I had to guess, the other two titles would (hopefully) take place after that chronologically.

As we already know, Ventus, Lea, and Isa have strong connections to the KHUX cast, as well as Elrena and Lauriam who should be recompleted by now. With this in mind, I think that the two new titles will be

1) The introduction of the foretellers to the modern era. We saw them arrive in the epilogue and we know maleficent at the very least will be hunting them down for that box. I could see this game being the spiritual successor to both BBS and Days with those characters bring the ones to face the Foretellers. This way we also get a non numbered title that can still focus on not Sora characters. I definitely feel like the whole idea of “killing” Sora off was to let other characters shine in his absence.

2) Riku and Kairis journey to save Sora. This one would focus on the two trying to get to the world of Verum Rex and find their friend. I can see Kairi and Riku getting some hints in MoM as to how to start this journey. This would act as the successor to DDD. And probably include stuff to do with the Lost Master, Luxord and possibly Demyx. (Demyx and Riku has that small interaction in Re:Mind which may have been setting up for a later interaction...)

For a second there when you said 'MoM looks like it takes place right after Re:Mind' I immediately thought you meant the Master of Masters and was confused, but now I see you meant Melody of Memory. This is going to lead to some funny confusion switching the meaning of MoM for the series lol.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 02:10 pmOffline

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SuperSaiyanSora

It was rumored and never confirmed, so... That's probably it. Unless they plan on announcing it later, the Disney Plus series rumor was just that -- a rumor.



If KH4 is going to be the conclusion to this saga, then KH4 at the absolute latest. The way it's been touched on now and again, that's probably going to continue until the last minute.

There's opportunities for it to be revealed in UX's last chapters and Dark Road, but that would have to involve Luxu being around somewhere. So Dark Road is also likely. But knowing how this series is, it's probably gonna take KH4 to actually say what's in it.

The Master of Masters didn't want it to be opened though, so... Whatever's inside would have to be something that's problematic to the Master in some way. Luxord said that apparently Xigbar said the box contains "hope" though, so...



And not gonna lie, I think most people want another Days game for the sake of it. There's nothing wrong with wanting one, but this is how the series gets "convoluted" with "too many games" if there's no actual need for them. Same with BBS Vol. 2, if there's no actual journey of value to be had there, then it's gonna do more harm than good. And people already have issues with Melody of Memories being a rhythm game with lore in it.

Cause I know how this is gonna go, they'll make a Days 2/BBS Vol. 2, it's not what people wanted, and then they're gonna say "Oh why wasn't this just a cutscene or two in the next game, we didn't need this. Fucking Nomura and his cash grabs."


I agree with most of this, but with how Ventus is still important somehow, the introduction of Darkness as a character and how beloved Aqua is to the fanbase, I wouldn't rule out a bbs type of game in the future set in the realm of darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if after all they trio finds that there are worlds and people that are born and belong to the realm of darkness. Also now there are 4 new colleges to Eraques they probably didn't knew of.

In regards of Days, the only pausible way I see something it coming is if the future "DDD" v2 has Roxas tag along. There is still "the other one", and they made the mechanics for playable Roxas in remind so... wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the case.

Eonstar890

June 17, 2020 @ 02:20 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

For a second there when you said 'MoM looks like it takes place right after Re:Mind' I immediately thought you meant the Master of Masters and was confused, but now I see you meant Melody of Memory. This is going to lead to some funny confusion switching the meaning of MoM for the series lol.


I have been having that same issue as well haha. Hopefully MoM (the game)
will reveal the MoM name.

(Already getting into the rhythm B))

Dast

June 17, 2020 @ 02:26 pmOffline

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Eonstar890

I have been having that same issue as well haha. Hopefully MoM (the game)
will reveal the MoM name.

(Already getting into the rhythm B))

Let's just hope the Mark of Mastery exam doesn't return or we could have the MoM revealed during Kairi's MoM exam in MoM!

Sephiroth0812

June 17, 2020 @ 02:35 pmOffline

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Dast

Let's just hope the Mark of Mastery exam doesn't return or we could have the MoM revealed during Kairi's MoM exam in MoM!


MoM-ception!

Typical Nomura move.
Now add someone's actual Mom (Sora's Dinner?) and you have a fourth incarnation.

FudgemintGuardian

June 17, 2020 @ 03:09 pmOffline

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I just want a "Sora plays the Reapers' Game" game. Ever since Re:Mind, it's like KH3's secret movie was for that and only that, and Sora will just be sitting around The Final World, waiting to be rescued... ?

We even see Sora in the Melody of Memory trailer, but hopefully he's just an illusion.

Zettaflare

June 17, 2020 @ 04:10 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

I just want a "Sora plays the Reapers' Game" game. Ever since Re:Mind, it's like KH3's secret movie was for that and only that, and Sora will just be sitting around The Final World, waiting to be rescued... ?

We even see Sora in the Melody of Memory trailer, but hopefully he's just an illusion.

Yeah. The game were Sora plays the Reaper Game is the one I want the most and I guess it will be a while before we get there. Re:MIND did build up Shibuya and Yozora at least

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 04:48 pmOffline

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I wonder what sort of gameplay a Sora's Reapers' Game would have. Would they integrate Pins?

FudgemintGuardian

June 17, 2020 @ 05:09 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Yeah. The game were Sora plays the Reaper Game is the one I want the most and I guess it will be a while before we get there. Re:MIND did build up Shibuya and Yozora at least
Whenever we get news, I'm just "okay, but what's the next news??" :LOL:

All I want is for Sora to rescue himself in a TWEWY-style game thanks to everyone's favorite smarmy twink god.

Ballad of Caius

I wonder what sort of gameplay a Sora's Reapers' Game would have. Would they integrate Pins?
Since Memory of Melody makes it clear we'll still get KH games that experiment with gameplay and genres, I can easily see it being similar to TWEWY but KH-ified.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 05:12 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Whenever we get news, I'm just "okay, but what's the next news??" :LOL:

All I want is for Sora to rescue himself in a TWEWY-style game thanks to everyone's favorite smarmy twink god.

Since Memory of Melody makes it clear we'll still get KH games that experiment with gameplay and genres, I can easily see it being similar to TWEWY but KH-ified.

Maybe different Pins will revoke different play styles for Sora and battles will be graded like in TWEWY?

Zettaflare

June 17, 2020 @ 06:17 pmOffline

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Just incorporate Pins and Psychs with KH's game play. Possibly the Command deck. If you really want to to DDD Volume 2 have Noises be both the enemy group and allies

SuperNova

June 18, 2020 @ 04:34 amOffline

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Maybe even if Sora is just sitting in the Final World, twiddling his thumbs, maybe even if they find him they can't bring him home because he has no power of waking anymore, maybe then a certain twink god provides a chance, in exchange for his help for something..

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June 18, 2020 @ 05:50 amOffline

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Henryp

I agree with most of this, but with how Ventus is still important somehow, the introduction of Darkness as a character and how beloved Aqua is to the fanbase, I wouldn't rule out a bbs type of game in the future set in the realm of darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if after all they trio finds that there are worlds and people that are born and belong to the realm of darkness. Also now there are 4 new colleges to Eraques they probably didn't knew of.


I love this idea. I’m picturing the Wayfinder trio traversing the Realm of Darkness as darkness stalks and haunts each of them, taking the form of their deepest regrets. Aqua would have Dark Aqua, Terra would be any of his possessed incarnations and, Ventus would have Vanitas (the half that got away).

If Melody of Memories addresses the Master of Masters then all we would need is for either Dark Road or a Verum Rex game to address the Foretellers and Maleficent before we finish off Phase 2 with KH4.

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June 18, 2020 @ 10:25 amOffline

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Henryp

I agree with most of this, but with how Ventus is still important somehow, the introduction of Darkness as a character and how beloved Aqua is to the fanbase, I wouldn't rule out a bbs type of game in the future set in the realm of darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if after all they trio finds that there are worlds and people that are born and belong to the realm of darkness. Also now there are 4 new colleges to Eraques they probably didn't knew of.


Considering that Union Cross scene where MoM said the darkness once took the same form as humans, I could see there being a civilization somewhere in the realm of darkness.
I think implementing Disney worlds would be the hardest part. Atlantis is one that could fit as it could have “sunk” into the RoD with the light of the crystal keeping the Heartless at bay. Other than that, I don’t know how they would explain many Disney worlds being there. It would be interesting to see what Nomura could come up with though.

NoWay

June 18, 2020 @ 10:34 amOffline

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Henryp

I agree with most of this, but with how Ventus is still important somehow, the introduction of Darkness as a character and how beloved Aqua is to the fanbase, I wouldn't rule out a bbs type of game in the future set in the realm of darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if after all they trio finds that there are worlds and people that are born and belong to the realm of darkness. Also now there are 4 new colleges to Eraques they probably didn't knew of.

A really interesting idea. Also, the citizens of the RoD don’t need to be necessarily “bad”. What if they are living in harmony in the RoD? Maybe from their perspective the light is considered as dangerous? This would be the complete opposite to the RoL. This would offer so many new interesting plot points.

Katsagu

June 18, 2020 @ 10:57 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

I just want a "Sora plays the Reapers' Game" game. Ever since Re:Mind, it's like KH3's secret movie was for that and only that, and Sora will just be sitting around The Final World, waiting to be rescued... ?

We even see Sora in the Melody of Memory trailer, but hopefully he's just an illusion.


There are a bunch of TWEWY 2 rumors around... can you imagine how crazy it would be if Sora was there haha

Alpha Baymax

June 18, 2020 @ 02:01 pmOffline

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I have a good feeling that the remaining two blank slots are more traditional Kingdom Hearts games.

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 02:20 pmOffline

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Anyone think we could possibly get a game explaining how Dilan and Aeleus lost their voices? For all we know those two could have had a grand offscreen adventure together that quietly saved the world between DDD and KH3 and the result is they sacrificed their voices to Ursula. It could be the biggest adventure the world never knew about.

FudgemintGuardian

June 18, 2020 @ 02:59 pmOffline

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Katsagu

There are a bunch of TWEWY 2 rumors around... can you imagine how crazy it would be if Sora was there haha
The sequel A New Day was leading into being a KH game all along....

SweetYetSalty

Anyone think we could possibly get a game explaining how Dilan and Aeleus lost their voices? For all we know those two could have had a grand offscreen adventure together that quietly saved the world between DDD and KH3 and the result is they sacrificed their voices to Ursula. It could be the biggest adventure the world never knew about.
Screw Sora. These two are the true heroes.

MATGSY

June 18, 2020 @ 04:23 pmOffline

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Katsagu

There are a bunch of TWEWY 2 rumors around... can you imagine how crazy it would be if Sora was there haha

& a certain other recent game with time travel happened because of Sora's screwing with the timeline. Nomura Cinematic Multiverse.

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 05:40 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

The sequel A New Day was leading into being a KH game all along....

Screw Sora. These two are the true heroes.

Aeleus was once known as the silent hero after all.

2 quid is good

June 18, 2020 @ 10:52 pmOffline

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#Justice4GuardBois

Recon

June 19, 2020 @ 12:48 amOffline

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Random, but I thought the inro to the 2020 trailer was quite grand

Tartarus

June 19, 2020 @ 01:40 amOffline

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Zip

Considering that Union Cross scene where MoM said the darkness once took the same form as humans, I could see there being a civilization somewhere in the realm of darkness.
I think implementing Disney worlds would be the hardest part. Atlantis is one that could fit as it could have “sunk” into the RoD with the light of the crystal keeping the Heartless at bay. Other than that, I don’t know how they would explain many Disney worlds being there. It would be interesting to see what Nomura could come up with though.
I think Moana could also work since her story literally starts because Te Fiti's heart is simply misplaced (the world's heart in KH terms?) and darkness is at the edges of infecting everything; the ocean keeping the heart hidden would be the reason Heartless haven't taken it over entirely. Perhaps Treasure Planet could also work since TP itself is not a traditional world (it was built by a pirate) and TP's location could simply be in the Realm of Darkness, what better way to hide the treasure after all. Maybe Wreck-It Ralph could work somehow, with the central station between games preventing the Heartless from destroying everything entirely and video game characters have been staying inside the station as various games / parts of their world have slowly been cut off one by one. Mama Odie could be protecting the TP&TF world similar to the Heart of Atlantis.

I'm at a loss thinking about anything else... But I didn't really think about PIXAR films. Perhaps the ship in WALL E that abandoned the Earth could simply be sailing through the Realm of Darkness? The Land of the Dead could be a way the Coco world is connected to the Realm of Darkness while the living half is in the Realm of Light.

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DizneyXBirds95

June 22, 2020 @ 04:34 amOffline

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Tartarus

I'm at a loss thinking about anything else... But I didn't really think about PIXAR films. Perhaps the ship in WALL E that abandoned the Earth could simply be sailing through the Realm of Darkness? The Land of the Dead could be a way the Coco world is connected to the Realm of Darkness while the living half is in the Realm of Light.

I think I'd rather have Wall-E, EVE and M-O being construction/maintenance robots in Radiant Garden for Ansem the Wise and his apprentices in Radiant Garden, much like how Little Chef (Remy) was brought to Twilight Town from his original homeworld by Scrooge so that he can continue expanding his culinary Horizons and be Scrooge's Chef at his Bistrot in KH3, instead of visiting a world based on Wall-E or doing an original storyline IMAO.

As for Coco, I have to disagree with having the Land of the Dead in the Realm of Darkness instead of the Realm of Light or better yet Realms Between/Sleeping Worlds. I mean Halloween Town despite it's Gothic, Spooky and Tim Burton-esque atmosphere is in the Realm of Light, so I don't see why Coco needs to be in the Realm of Darkness.

Alpha Baymax

June 22, 2020 @ 11:14 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Anyone think we could possibly get a game explaining how Dilan and Aeleus lost their voices? For all we know those two could have had a grand offscreen adventure together that quietly saved the world between DDD and KH3.


Leave it to Nomura to make both these character's relevant somehow. Maybe Melody of Memories shows how they both decided to ally with Apprentice Xehanort over Ansem the Wise.

Ballad of Caius

June 22, 2020 @ 11:16 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax

Maybe Melody of Memories shows how they both decided to ally with Apprentice Xehanort over Ansem the Wise.

Per DDD, I think Xehanort pretty much stabbed everyone and called it a day

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darknessitself

June 23, 2020 @ 12:20 amOffline

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So where do you guys see this series heading with Phase II? Can we expect MoM to be "Lux" and find him to be a long battle against "Darkness"? If so, would that make "Darkness" the main antagonist within Phase 2? I just hope they don't stretch it out with 'multiple/ alternate universes'.. I really don't like how over-used that formula is now.

Ballad of Caius

June 23, 2020 @ 01:07 amOffline

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darknessitself

So where do you guys see this series heading with Phase II? Can we expect MoM to be "Lux" and find him to be a long battle against "Darkness"? If so, would that make "Darkness" the main antagonist within Phase 2? I just hope they don't stretch it out with 'multiple/ alternate universes'.. I really don't like how over-used that formula is now.

It would be interesting if the MoM and Darkness are actually the physical embodiments of Light and Darkness, meaning that these entities are actually sentient and intellectual.

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darknessitself

June 23, 2020 @ 01:26 amOffline

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Ballad of Caius

It would be interesting if the MoM and Darkness are actually the physical embodiments of Light and Darkness, meaning that these entities are actually sentient and intellectual.

They sort of did in (spoilers for FF15) with [spoiler]the final boss, Ardyn[/spoiler]. I wonder how the writing process would move forward if that's the case. It would have to move past "Darkness" vs. "Light" and Nomura would have to be really innovative in the writing process. However, I just don't see how they could fit any larger narrative within the Kingdom Hearts universe. They would have to start foreshadowing towards Phase III now for it to be really unexpected.

SweetYetSalty

June 23, 2020 @ 03:29 amOffline

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Alpha Baymax

Leave it to Nomura to make both these character's relevant somehow. Maybe Melody of Memories shows how they both decided to ally with Apprentice Xehanort over Ansem the Wise.

I would actually like to see this story explored.

Ballad of Caius

Per DDD, I think Xehanort pretty much stabbed everyone and called it a day

Quick question, when the apprentices banished Ansem the Wise from Radiant Garden, were they already Nobodies or did they do that in human form? It's been awhile since I read the KH2 Ansem Reports. If they did it as humans then they would have aligned themselves with Apprentice Xehanort before he went stab happy on them.

Cumguardian69

June 23, 2020 @ 03:35 amOffline

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darknessitself

So where do you guys see this series heading with Phase II? Can we expect MoM to be "Lux" and find him to be a long battle against "Darkness"? If so, would that make "Darkness" the main antagonist within Phase 2? I just hope they don't stretch it out with 'multiple/ alternate universes'.. I really don't like how over-used that formula is now.

It's pretty much going to be the same stuff that it's always been, except instead of referring to bad stuff as darkness "the stuff", now they're going to pin melodrama and all of the negativity brought with it on the latest OCDonutSteel Darkness "the character". Additionally, Master of Masters will be the eternal black coat (assuming Master Odin isn't in fact MoM in disguise), serving as a faux historical figure that never gets explained (much like the Keyblade, Kingdom Hearts, and the X-Blade).

We might see new characters, but overall Sora will be the unevolving shounen protag he's been since DDD.

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