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KINGDOM HEARTS 3 Summary from Sora KH3 Play Arts Kai

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Published on November 4, 2016 @ 07:42 pm
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Boxes of the Kingdom Hearts III Sora Play Arts Kai action figure have begun to surface which features a detailed summary of Sora's upcoming adventures in Kingdom Hearts III. The summary details the looming Keyblade War against the seven Guardians of Light versus the thirteen Seekers of Darkness and the search for the mysterious "Key to Return Hearts".

You can read the full summary below:

With the world under the control of a single Master, the final struggle for true peace begins.

Through countless adventures across many worlds in his long battle against the darkness, Sora, once a little boy who only dreamed worlds beyond his island even existed, has grown up to be a dashing young man. Now he is realizing that that battle has played out exactly as Master Xehanort had planned, and the second Keyblade War, the final struggle between light and dark, looms ahead. To counter the overwhelming darkness, Sora and his friends must gather the seven guardians of light. His best friend Riku and King Mickey seek out a battle-scarred Keyblade wielder, while Sora, Donald, and Goofy set off on a journey to find “the Key to Return Hearts.” Never-before-featured Disney worlds set the stage for another daring adventure to save the universe!

Chosen by the Keyblade, he is the one whose heart’s light never fails to shine as a beacon of hope.

Sora, the brave hero chosen by the Keyblade, has always had a strong sense of justice. Through his many battles against darkness, he has grown and learned about the world immensely. Drawn to his light, many friends have lent him their support and granted him their powers to counter the darkness: Riku, the childhood friend he grew up with on Destiny Islands; Donald and Goofy, the two comrades with whom he has shared his adventures from the very beginning; and King Mickey who unfailingly supports Sora with his own mighty strength. As the world becomes enveloped in another battle against darkness, the Keyblade wielder and his friends must rise up against Master Xehanort and thwart his plot to incite another Keyblade War.

The summary of Kingdom Hearts III also mentions Riku and Mickey are searching for a "battle-scarred Keyblade wielder". Could this mean Aqua? Let us know in the comments section on our forums!

Kingdom Hearts III Sora Play Arts Kai is out now in Japan and will release on January 30th 2017 in North America.

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Ballad of Caius

November 4, 2016 @ 08:12 pmOffline

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This possibly means that 0.2 might not end with Aqua getting rescued. Perhaps they'll leave that for KH3. I don't see us playing as Riku or Mickey in KH3, but a small, rescue scenario might be a possibility.

Hirokey123

November 4, 2016 @ 08:15 pmOffline

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On one hand I want to say it's Aqua but on another hand I feel like it's actually someone connected to chi. Also a smidge heart breaking that Kairi gets zero mention in Sora's list of close friends.

Squood!

November 4, 2016 @ 08:15 pmOffline

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Well, it feels good to know that the Key to Return Hearts is still a thing.

Muke

November 4, 2016 @ 08:25 pmOffline

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Okay, this isn't too much spoiler.
Idk, I'm not really excited for KH3 atm

Oracle Spockanort

November 4, 2016 @ 08:34 pmOffline

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It's an old summary, but with a lot more updated information so it is nice to see!

Also great to know that the Key to Return Hearts plot isn't gone. (what sucks is that we all know it isn't an actual key but probably the big realization Sora will have late-game lol so that mystery isn't hard to solve)

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 08:35 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius
This possibly means that 0.2 might not end with Aqua getting rescued. Perhaps they'll leave that for KH3. I don't see us playing as Riku or Mickey in KH3, but a small, rescue scenario might be a possibility.
or they looking for aqua but dont know that sora already saved her and he know where she at

MinerKing

November 4, 2016 @ 08:40 pmOffline

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Is Master Eraqus not literally battle-scarred? ;)

Sonicfan2525

November 4, 2016 @ 08:48 pmOffline

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Very nice! It isn't that much different from the initial plot summary we got when the game was announced, but I do like how descriptive it is. It makes me even more excited for all the promotional stuff we will probably get for the game after 2.8 is finally released.

Hirokey123

November 4, 2016 @ 08:51 pmOffline

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Does anyone find it weird how like tons of interviews mention the key to return hearts is like focus of Sora's quest...but there wasn't a single mention of it in any KH3 trailers?

Zettaflare

November 4, 2016 @ 08:51 pmOffline

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Reading the summary was actually a good reminder of how far Sora has come since KH1. Defeating Xehanort once and for all truly is his final challenge

Oracle Spockanort

November 4, 2016 @ 08:53 pmOffline

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Hirokey123
Does anyone find it weird how like tons of interviews mention the key to return hearts is like focus of Sora's quest...but there wasn't a single mention of it in any KH3 trailers?


I think they want to keep that for the first big story trailer for KH3.

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 08:55 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
I think they want to keep that for the first big story trailer for KH3.
yeah proablly espically i have a feeling it might conneted to kairi and sora

Oracle Spockanort

November 4, 2016 @ 09:00 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
yeah proablly espically i have a feeling it might conneted to kairi and sora


I mean...you are talking to the wrong girl about Sora and Kairi rofl because I'd sooner turn this into a conversation about Sora and Riku with their fancy magical Keyblade between hearts with the paopu on the end.

So I will counter with a belief that it is either only Sora or a SRK thing because it would suck for anybody to get left out.

Alpha Baymax

November 4, 2016 @ 09:02 pmOffline

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I personally feel that the "Battle scarred Keyblade Wielder" is Ephemer and the "Key to Return Hearts" is Skuld. Maybe Ephemer and Skuld are remembered in the legend of the Keyblade War as the "Battle scarred Keyblade Wielder" and "Key to Return Hearts" respectively. As Dandelions that are to survive beyond the Keyblade War, I feel as though they need to be found to prevent Xehanort's catastrophe from occurring again.

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 09:04 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
I mean...you are talking to the wrong girl about Sora and Kairi rofl because I'd sooner turn this into a conversation about Sora and Riku with their fancy magical Keyblade between hearts with the paopu on the end.

So I will counter with a belief that it is either only Sora or a SRK thing because it would suck for anybody to get left out.
yeah that true more i think all three all had that heart return back to them in some way whather it kairi who revie sora,sora who gave kairi her heart back or the friendship that sora and riku that bough riku back to the light

Alpha Baymax
I personally feel that the "Battle scarred Keyblade Wielder" is Ephemer and the "Key to Return Hearts" is Skuld. Maybe Ephemer and Skuld are remembered in the legend of the Keyblade War as the "Battle scarred Keyblade Wielder" and "Key to Return Hearts" respectively. As Dandelions that are to survive beyond the Keyblade War, I feel as though they need to be found to prevent Xehanort's catastrophe from occurring again.
i see how ephemer fiys as battle scarred warrior but skuld as key to return hearts yeah you lost me

BufferAqua

November 4, 2016 @ 09:09 pmOffline

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Sora, once a little boy who only dreamed worlds beyond his island even existed, has grown up to be a dashing young man.



I'm sold.

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 09:11 pmOffline

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Bufferino
I'm sold.[/COLOR]
as long he still that lovable funny sora then yeah im sold to as well

Griewer

November 4, 2016 @ 09:13 pmOffline

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Whoah this is all new to me. Where've I been for the last years? o.O
#hypeintensifies

Since chi was like really long ago it'd be truly weird if Ephemer or Skuld would return to the story. I'd say the battle-scarred keyblade wielder is probably Aqua mainly because both Yen Sid and Mickey knows about her and if they really need additional guardians, it'd be safe to consider her as a possible ally.

Hirokey123

November 4, 2016 @ 09:18 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
I mean...you are talking to the wrong girl about Sora and Kairi rofl because I'd sooner turn this into a conversation about Sora and Riku with their fancy magical Keyblade between hearts with the paopu on the end.

So I will counter with a belief that it is either only Sora or a SRK thing because it would suck for anybody to get left out.


I feel like pointing out that is actually probably a SRK keyblade. The middle part squished between their two blades is representative of Kairi's blade. The round smooth peach/woodish part is her blade's blade and then they keychain clearly comes from destiny's embrace. Being a blue instead of red weaved thread connected to a paopu fruit on the end. I always thought it was sweet because it shows even when they aren't thinking of her or with her she is still giving them a bit of strength, being the subtle glue that binds them together. Or at least that is how I always read it afterall there is no real reason I can see that an entire unrelated piece of blade would just spawn in it complete with destiny's embrace key chain instead of being a fusion of the keychains of the two blades summoned to make it.

catcake

November 4, 2016 @ 09:26 pmOffline

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I'm too excited about 2.8 right now to properly feel KH3 but... our little Sora has come so far ;_;

DefiantHeart

November 4, 2016 @ 09:43 pmOffline

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Hirokey123
On one hand I want to say it's Aqua but on another hand I feel like it's actually someone connected to chi. Also a smidge heart breaking that Kairi gets zero mention in Sora's list of close friends.


Ikr? XD It reminds me of the time Sora flat out said Kairi would just get in the way, lol.

The Key to return hearts keeps sounding interesting everytime they mention it. :3

VenVen

November 4, 2016 @ 09:58 pmOffline

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Could "the key to return hearts" be aqua?? I was thinking about it and it makes sense. Aqua is the key to return ventus' heart and in the opening we see sora reaching out to aqua. Any more thoughts?

VoidGear.

November 4, 2016 @ 09:59 pmOffline

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I really hope the "key to return hearts" is Aqua and the battle-scared wielder is Terra but thats just wishful thinking.

Zul

November 4, 2016 @ 10:02 pmOffline

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Battle-scarred suits a Chi character more than Aqua imo. It "can" suit Aqua, but I feel "a light lost in darkness" would have used to describe her instead.

Looks like Kairi isn't mentioned anywhere in the summaries. The KH3D ending implied a greater role in the future, but it's still possible she'll just be sort-of thrown in there with a "hey look, I'm fighting too...again!".

I also agree that the key to return hearts isn't, and shouldn't be just another keyblade. I always felt the series emphasized a powerful bond as the strongest "weapon" against sorrow and evil.

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November 4, 2016 @ 10:03 pmOffline

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maybe the key to return hearts was the friends we made along the way~

Zul

November 4, 2016 @ 10:05 pmOffline

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Audo
maybe the key to return hearts was the friends we made along the way~


Conceptually I agree with that, but I wonder how it would be executed.

A scene of everyone going "yeah, friendship is good!" then bam, this suddenly restores Terra, Roxas...ect would be horridly cheesy.

Uuuh...maybe that memory-sharing thing Roxas did with Sora.

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Deleted member

November 4, 2016 @ 10:07 pmOffline

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"don't you see yet? the key to return hearts is responding. it's been there all along. the key to return hearts rests within you!"

Zul

November 4, 2016 @ 10:10 pmOffline

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Ewwwwwwww, no!

Please something else!

Bah, it probably is going to be something cheesy.

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Deleted member

November 4, 2016 @ 10:11 pmOffline

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this is kingdom hearts.

Hirokey123

November 4, 2016 @ 10:15 pmOffline

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I mean I think it will be like DDD. The key to returning hearts is Sora and the keyblade but it's a hidden power within the keyblade and innate to the heart itself that must be found through self discovery. I like to think maybe we have even already seen it in action when Sora was returned from a heartless to a heart with physical form. So in the end Sora will wake the power to return hearts in his own heart, and then any keyblade wielded by him becomes the key to returning hearts.

Muke

November 4, 2016 @ 10:19 pmOffline

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Ugh, if the KTRH is really as cheesy as everything else in KH... bah.

Zul

November 4, 2016 @ 10:20 pmOffline

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Hirokey123
I mean I think it will be like DDD. The key to returning hearts is Sora and the keyblade but it's a hidden power within the keyblade and innate to the heart itself that must be found through self discovery. I like to think maybe we have even already seen it in action when Sora was returned from a heartless to a heart with physical form. So in the end Sora will wake the power to return hearts in his own heart, and then any keyblade wielded by him becomes the key to returning hearts.


If the key to return hearts turns out to be a big group hug I will probably end up in the hospital due to the inability to stop laughing.

Muke

November 4, 2016 @ 10:22 pmOffline

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Zul
If the key to return hearts turns out to be a big group hug I will probably end up in the hospital due to the inability to stop laughing.

Agreed. This is so true. We can lie next to each other in (different beds) hospital. Together with 40 other players.
Let's all die from the cheesiness

Like... I am not even kidding.

VoidGear.

November 4, 2016 @ 10:23 pmOffline

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Hey, what if it's Kairi (who has given Sora back "his heart" someway after all) and Sora has to go find her because he already forgot about her existence after her being so irrelevant for the last 5 games or so?

Muke

November 4, 2016 @ 10:24 pmOffline

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VoidGear.
Hey, what if it's Kairi (who has given Sora back "his heart" someway after all) and Sora has to go find her because he already forgot about her existence after her being so irrelevant for the last 5 games or so?

I'll take this over a group hug and FRIENDSHIP<333 any day.

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Deleted member

November 4, 2016 @ 10:26 pmOffline

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have y'all just like forgotten what series you're playing, where it literally goes out of its way to say that bonds and friendship are the most quintessential elements in the universe

VenVen

November 4, 2016 @ 10:34 pmOffline

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Believe me "the key to return hearts" is aqua

LightUpTheSky452

November 4, 2016 @ 10:35 pmOffline

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I was loving this description (absolutely loving it, for: the talk of how Sora used to want to see worlds, his sense of justice getting brought up again, the idea that Sora's realized everything's gone according to how Master Xehanort wanted it to--perhaps hinting at the more mature Sora in this game we've heard about--and even that they called him "dashing" like Merry-Weather does was really, really great), and then I got to the part where they didn't mention Kairi.

And before someone jumps down my throat (because I know I'm always complaining about her, and tbh I know it gets old and I sympathize with you guys always having to hear that from me all the time), I was fine with it at first--when it was just talking about what everyone's doing in III, because I realized maybe they want to keep what she's doing secret; or maybe she's training all of III, and so it wouldn't be worth mentioning it--but then they listed all of Sora's closest friends in the last paragraph and not her.

I can't. I just can't, guys.

They're never going to learn their lesson, and this series is never going to get better about her. Are they? If anything, it just seems to get worse, as this is twice now that we've heard lately about the friendships that make up this series, where Kairi isn't mentioned even once (what Hashimoto said a while back, I mean).

And you know, I'm somewhat irked that they didn't mention Naminé, either, because she's also one of Sora's top friends.

The part about Aqua being battle hardened (or whatever the exact wording was) sounded really good, though--and tells me that they're taking her development from the end of BbS and her time in the Dark Realm very seriously and I'm glad for that.

Despite what you guys might be thinking, all-in-all, I enjoyed this summary (there really are some things of interest here, and things I'm hopeful about, too); and it's just nice to finally know more about KHIII's story after all this time.

But I hate how this series since Coded, I'd say (and if we're being technical, since CoM), has tried to make Kairi disappear and has acted like she never existed. Just sayin'. (I'm really starting to think Blackdrazon is absolutely right, about all the writers/developers just deciding that they didn't like Kairi partway through KHII's creation, which would explain a lot, actually.)

And Naminé could use a bit more love, too, imo.

Muke

November 4, 2016 @ 10:35 pmOffline

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Audo
have y'all just like forgotten what series you're playing, where it literally goes out of its way to say that bonds and friendship are the most quintessential elements in the universe

You're right and all but I have high hopes for this and if it turns out as "omg friends yes your friends are the key" I will just facepalm myself to death.

Ballad of Caius

November 4, 2016 @ 10:43 pmOffline

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Audo
have y'all just like forgotten what series you're playing, where it literally goes out of its way to say that bonds and friendship are the most quintessential elements in the universe


Key to Return Hearts sounds likes the Deus Ex Machina that will restore the worlds from Xehanort's control. Like, Xehanort finally attains KH and uses it to make an idealistic single world. During the process, Sora's bond with key inhabitant of each world makes him connect with every worlds' heart and, from them, is born the true xBlade, used to stab Xehanort in his chest and make a hollowed space where his heart should be (cheesy).

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 11:23 pmOffline

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LightUpTheSky452
I was loving this description (absolutely loving it, for: the talk of how Sora used to want to see worlds, his sense of justice getting brought up again, the idea that Sora's realized everything's gone according to how Master Xehanort wanted it to--perhaps hinting at the more mature Sora in this game we've heard about--and even that they called him "dashing" like Merry-Weather does was really, really great), and then I got to the part where they didn't mention Kairi.

And before someone jumps down my throat (because I know I'm always complaining about her, and tbh I know it gets old and I sympathize with you guys always having to hear that from me all the time), I was fine with it at first--when it was just talking about what everyone's doing in III, because I realized maybe they want to keep what she's doing secret; or maybe she's training all of III, and so it wouldn't be worth mentioning it--but then they listed all of Sora's closest friends in the last paragraph and not her.

I can't. I just can't, guys.

They're never going to learn their lesson, and this series is never going to get better about her. Are they? If anything, it just seems to get worse, as this is twice now that we've heard lately about the friendships that make up this series, where Kairi isn't mentioned even once (what Hashimoto said a while back, I mean).

And you know, I'm somewhat irked that they didn't mention Naminé, either, because she's also one of Sora's top friends.

The part about Aqua being battle hardened (or whatever the exact wording was) sounded really good, though--and tells me that they're taking her development from the end of BbS and her time in the Dark Realm very seriously and I'm glad for that.

Despite what you guys might be thinking, all-in-all, I enjoyed this summary (there really are some things of interest here, and things I'm hopeful about, too); and it's just nice to finally know more about KHIII's story after all this time.

But I hate how this series since Coded, I'd say (and if we're being technical, since CoM), has tried to make Kairi disappear and has acted like she never existed. Just sayin'. (I'm really starting to think Blackdrazon is absolutely right, about all the writers/developers just deciding that they didn't like Kairi partway through KHII's creation, which would explain a lot, actually.)

And Naminé could use a bit more love, too, imo.

Light I understand but we got to be patient though I understand where your coming from I want more develop time with kairi but we got to be patient

robotman

November 4, 2016 @ 11:25 pmOffline

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Hm... I don't know what to think about this, it sounds like the gameplay will be split and you'll be playing as Mickey/Riku along with Sora. I don't mind playing as Riku or Mickey but I hope that we mainly play as Sora. Something like 90% Sora, 10% the other characters.

BlackOsprey

November 4, 2016 @ 11:26 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
Light I understand but we got to be patient though I understand where your coming from I want more develop time with kairi but we got to be patient

Square's had 10 years to do that and they haven't, lmao

gosoxtim

November 4, 2016 @ 11:32 pmOffline

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BlackOsprey
Square's had 10 years to do that and they haven't, lmao
well maybe a third time is a charm after we know know kairi going to be important to kh3 after the secret ending of 3D beside kairi is sora light after all

blank points

November 4, 2016 @ 11:34 pmOffline

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Wow, was not expecting this. As others have mentioned, it's not really new, but a lot more descriptive. The bit about the battle scarred keyblade wielder has me intrigued. It could be Aqua, but I can't help but feel it might be someone entirely different. And also like others have pointed out, Kairi is left out of Sora's list of friends. Seriously, it's almost as if Nomura has totally forgotten Kairi at this point.

robotman

November 4, 2016 @ 11:36 pmOffline

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I get what you lot mean about Kairi's development... The most development she got was pretty much the end of Kindgom Hearts 2 when she saved Sora and Riku with her note in the bottle haha... Still, we never know what they could do with her, they might just be keeping her part hushed for now.

kirabook

November 4, 2016 @ 11:37 pmOffline

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I think the Key to Return hearts is going to be a feelsy esque group hug type of ordeal (aka what Kairi did) and I'm totes fine with that. As long as they give it proper weight and not just an off handed event that happens and then they all laugh and cartwheel away.

Heck, maybe the princesses do have that power, they are what's holding the worlds together right now, so why not. Kairi's coming to understand her power/importance moment cause no one ever seemed to acknowledge her status after Sora's "Kairi's a princess???" moment.

Whatever they come up with, as long as it isn't as tricky and complicated as Xehanort's time travel shenanigans, I'm sure it'll be fine.

I'm more interesting in this 'battle worn' person they're looking for. Logic says Aqua, desire says Terra, heart says maybe Chi will actually come into play finally.

VoidGear.

November 4, 2016 @ 11:39 pmOffline

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I feel like the "wielder" part in battle scarred wielder is important. Like, if it were Aqua, wouldnt it say "master"?

kirabook

November 4, 2016 @ 11:48 pmOffline

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*goes to look at 0.2 trailer and product pages*

Well, most of the stuff surrounding Aqua these days specifically calls her Aqua without the Master part. We definitely aren't supposed to know who they're looking for yet hence their vagueness.

No one calls Aqua "Master" either. If they wanted to describe Aqua, like someone else said, they might have specified "lost to the darkness" or like you said, called her Master or something or other. This leads me to believe now that maybe it isn't Aqua.

Terra would make a ton of sense. Surely Aqua gave him some clues when they met in the dark realm. (which I assume she did since Mickey was pissed at Xehanort for all three of them). Aqua wouldn't know he's nothing but an empty armor husk, but maybe Mickey thinks he can find Terra elsewhere now somehow?

But even still, that's a stretch. It must be someone else and I think Chi is likely.

Oracle Spockanort

November 4, 2016 @ 11:49 pmOffline

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Confirmed(not): Ephemer ends up scarred at some point.

Hirokey123

November 4, 2016 @ 11:49 pmOffline

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That is why I think they meant someone from Chi like Ephemer, Skuld, or the player.

Griewer

November 4, 2016 @ 11:50 pmOffline

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LightUpTheSky452
I was loving this description (absolutely loving it, for: the talk of how Sora used to want to see worlds, his sense of justice getting brought up again, the idea that Sora's realized everything's gone according to how Master Xehanort wanted it to--perhaps hinting at the more mature Sora in this game we've heard about--and even that they called him "dashing" like Merry-Weather does was really, really great), and then I got to the part where they didn't mention Kairi.

And before someone jumps down my throat (because I know I'm always complaining about her, and tbh I know it gets old and I sympathize with you guys always having to hear that from me all the time), I was fine with it at first--when it was just talking about what everyone's doing in III, because I realized maybe they want to keep what she's doing secret; or maybe she's training all of III, and so it wouldn't be worth mentioning it--but then they listed all of Sora's closest friends in the last paragraph and not her.

I can't. I just can't, guys.

They're never going to learn their lesson, and this series is never going to get better about her. Are they? If anything, it just seems to get worse, as this is twice now that we've heard lately about the friendships that make up this series, where Kairi isn't mentioned even once (what Hashimoto said a while back, I mean).

And you know, I'm somewhat irked that they didn't mention Naminé, either, because she's also one of Sora's top friends.

The part about Aqua being battle hardened (or whatever the exact wording was) sounded really good, though--and tells me that they're taking her development from the end of BbS and her time in the Dark Realm very seriously and I'm glad for that.

Despite what you guys might be thinking, all-in-all, I enjoyed this summary (there really are some things of interest here, and things I'm hopeful about, too); and it's just nice to finally know more about KHIII's story after all this time.

But I hate how this series since Coded, I'd say (and if we're being technical, since CoM), has tried to make Kairi disappear and has acted like she never existed. Just sayin'. (I'm really starting to think Blackdrazon is absolutely right, about all the writers/developers just deciding that they didn't like Kairi partway through KHII's creation, which would explain a lot, actually.)

And Naminé could use a bit more love, too, imo.


Kairi's role in the games originally was to be the end goal for Sora. Now that this role was successfully achieved they don't know what to do with her because we don't have a timeskip to give her credible development throughout which she could become a keyblade wielder or an expert wizard or anything else.

She's at the point where Sora was when he was fighting against Riku with wooden swords at the age of 10. Until she can become a useful ally who can do something - anything she needs to walk through those steps. Unfortunately we don't have enough time for that. So yeah, unfortunately Kairi has to take the backseat because when the original games were planned she was nothing more than the good old end goal of the young hero.

And I know she'll probably get some sort of deus-ex power-up but honestly this won't make her character any better since it isn't a real development. If it would be this easy to make someone an expert keyblade wielder, I'm sure Yen Sid would've created an Army while Sora and Riku were having a goodnight sleep in DDD. :'D

palizinhas

November 4, 2016 @ 11:56 pmOffline

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And we're still not acknowledging that Kairi is a person that exists. Can't say I'm surprised, but wow Mickey, you're apparently a closer friend to Sora than the girl he grew up with, since you deserve a mention and she doesn't.

Battle scarred wielder makes me think Chi too. Aqua makes sense, I guess, but I'm not sure the 0.2 openig would make a big deal of Sora helping Aqua when Riku and Mickey are the ones to save her. Terra is also a possibility, but I feel like Chi is more likely.

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November 4, 2016 @ 11:59 pmOffline

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And I know she'll probably get some sort of deus-ex power-up but honestly this won't make her character any better since it isn't a real development. If it would be this easy to make someone an expert keyblade wielder, I'm sure Yen Sid would've created an Army while Sora and Riku were having a goodnight sleep in DDD. :'D

are you forgetting the part in ddd where yen sid shoves lea into a magic time chamber to train him in how to use a keyblade, all off screen?

Hirokey123

November 5, 2016 @ 12:02 amOffline

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But they DID have plenty of chances with her. Here are a few simple ways...

1.DDD Sora and Riku are cannonically reset to their KH1 bodies and before they learned how to wield the keyblade. This literally would of been the perfect time to stick Kairi into play because she be starting from their same level and we finally would have the trio embark on the raft not Sora and Riku taking the raft together just the two of them...

2. Change Coded's plot have the letter be summon to SRK that they found a mysterious journal message and need help solving it. Remove the coded computer nonsense and bring in Merlin with his magic to warp Sora, Riku, and Kairi's minds into the world of the journal's memories. Hey look we finally get SRK in their KH1 forms experiencing a form of KH1's adventure together and now the real Sora is experiencing everything so this all becomes relevant and is at least now a worthwhile KH1 rehash.

3. Not have Kairi stuck on the islands in KH1's end. There was never any reason Kairi had to remain when the plot literally goes and tells us SDG don't go back to their worlds cause "exception" and they could of made that exception for Kairi to no one would of thought it strange.

4. Not have Kairi be kidnapped and off screen 90% of KH2. Let her adventure around she has Pluto with her to sniff out dark corridors affording her a way to travel worlds and Axel pursuing her gives her a personal villain to deal with keeping her from meeting Sora. Then have Saix come in near the end to take her so she can still logically reach the org' world and act as a way for Sora to get in.

5. If Lea can get hyperbolic time chamber training and have that entire plot point created solely to bring him up to par with the others then god dang it we can do that for Kairi to.

There have been so many chances to do right by Kairi but they shelved her at every turn...

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 12:04 amOffline

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are you forgetting the part in ddd where yen sid shoves lea into a magic time chamber to train him in how to use a keyblade, all off screen?


As I said "some sort of deus-ex power-up". It was stupid as f* with Lea as well. But even though it was stupid with Lea, he has one very important advantage... Lea has combat experience... and quite a lot at that.

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November 5, 2016 @ 12:09 amOffline

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honestly, no one needs to see lea or kairi train. kairi more than held her own in kh2. having her train off screen (or not even bring it up) is a small price to pay for her to actually have a role in kh3. no one really said anything when roxas was able to wield the keyblade effortlessly, after all, and the dude could barely form complete sentences.

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 12:15 amOffline

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I don't need to see Kairi train or become powerful. I expect her to be able to hold her own in a process off screen (much to some peoples disappointment I'm sure)

There's only been a few characters we've seen from the bottom up, and there are plenty of others that we haven't but no one questions it.

I like Kairi and I hope they do great things with her just like they've done for Aqua, but I'm starting to think there are too many fans that are expecting way too much when you know it's probably not going to happen. It's doubtful we'll be getting a full training session of Kairi from 0 to 100.

I imagine at the beginning of the game, we'll see her at 0, and at about 25% of the way through, she'll probably show up again ready to fight. It didn't take wooden sword boy Sora to grow and take on Ansem SoD, I imagine it won't take long toooo much longer for Kairi to get to a reasonable power level. Probably the level of most party members or Leon's gang. I definitely think she'll probably be a party member at some point, just like Riku was at the last minute in KH2.

Hirokey123

November 5, 2016 @ 12:15 amOffline

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Do we even need to have her train? Why can't she just go on an adventure partnered with say Sora or Riku and learn through trial by fire. The challenges will be tougher but that will logically result in her growing stronger much more quickly and having friends or partners can help offset challenges that alone be to much for her. I kind of resent the idea that Kairi needs to training to go on an adventure and be helpful, Sora and Riku needed training because they are spear heading the attack and acting as the main offense against Xehanort along with Mickey. But no one is like busting Lea's tail on him needing formal training and heck I don't think anyone is going to be talking about how Roxas and Xion need training before they can help when they come back.

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 12:21 amOffline

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Thus far the main team has always been Sora, Donald, and Goofy. It's highly unlikely Kairi is going to start with them. It'd make sense for her to tag along with Riku and Mickey since she's getting the same speech, but I'm going to assume she hasn't even begun her off screen training at that point so she won't be going along (at first).

Unlike most everyone else we've seen on the island, we've never seen Kairi fight save for that one scene in KH2 when Riku gave her a keyblade. Before she goes head first into danger where she's a possible target by the bad guy, I hope they'd fill her in on basic fighting, get her proper gear, and tell her more about how the worlds work since she obviously hasn't been to very many of them. Then she can go on her way just like Sora and Riku did and learn by trial (hence my suggestion of her reappearance 25% through the game and able to kick butt by then)

Hirokey123

November 5, 2016 @ 12:29 amOffline

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I really hope given how similar in color and design KH3 Kairi is to KH3 Sora this time around, to the point it almost makes them look like exchangeable protagonists, that Kairi and Sora are both the playable "main" character of the story with you subbing out whoever you are not playing as. You know like our party member system except for playable characters instead of party members. I know that is extremely wishful thinking but dang it I am a hopeful person.

gosoxtim

November 5, 2016 @ 12:31 amOffline

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i just want to see kairi and riku design in kingdom shadder if the annivsty art is there true outfits that is

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 12:33 amOffline

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I also wanted to add here, about where Kairi is going to start out.

Unlike Sora and Riku who were just thrust into a bad situation and had to figure things out, Kairi is in a unique situation where she can set out on the right foot with proper direction, just like Mickey, Aqua, Terra, and Ven.

Supposedly, DDD existed to make Sora and Riku start all over again and become Masters the proper way. I think it only makes sense that Yen Sid would make sure Kairi starts out on proper footing. Same with Lea.

Interchangeable protagonist would be cool. If they do that though, I hope they would fix the cutscenes better to make sure all party members are there when they supposedly should be. I think KH2 did an ok job of this though so I wouldn't worried. (the pop up of your party members in and out was annoying)

If they really wanted to, they could just extend that little bit they had with Sora and Riku at the end of KH2 where you had to play Riku temporarily to save Sora.

LightUpTheSky452

November 5, 2016 @ 01:10 amOffline

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kirabook
ISupposedly, DDD existed to make Sora and Riku start all over again and become Masters the proper way. I think it only makes sense that Yen Sid would make sure Kairi starts out on proper footing. Same with Lea.


-does sora's voice- "But that's just a formality, right?" Tbh, I've always found the Yen Sid teaching Sora and Riku how to use the Keybalde "the proper way" plot point stupid (the player doesn't even use the Keyblade in DDD, more likely than not!), and if they bring this back again with Kairi and/or Lea it's still going to be stupid and unnecessary to me.

Anyway, there's such a double-standard when it comes to Kairi! Freakin' Terra, Ventus, and Aqua buy spells from Moogles in BbS, and no one questions it and buys into it (even though we never see them learn said new spell, and Terra's hardly a magic guy at all and Ven lacks training), and yet we can't do the same for Kairi.

And like some of you were saying above, sparring!Sora and Riku from 1 can barely be said to be any better than Kairi is now, and yet they got the chance to hit the ground, running--and learn some actual fighting that way--and she doesn't.

And yeah, I'm pretty mad that they mentioned Mickey as Sora's friend over Kairi now. Yep.

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 01:18 amOffline

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Like I just said, when the opportunity is there to start Kairi out on the right foot, why the heck would they throw her out with little to no direction cause "Sora and Riku did it just fine!"

We saw the mess they got into just fine indeed. I really don't think it's that big of a deal for Kairi to get a lecture or two compared to Sora and Riku who were thrust into the wilderness and barely made it out ok and TAV who spent years and years under a strict teacher like Eraqus so that they can buy spells from a moogle.

LightUpTheSky452

November 5, 2016 @ 01:25 amOffline

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But it wasn't until Yen Sid said that they used their Keyblades wrong, and we realized that "everything's been Xehanort's plan ALLLLLLLLLL ALLLLLLONG" that Sora and Riku's accomplishments were at all painted in a bad light.

And that bothers me, because I think they did pretty dang well? Before DDD had to come and rain on their parade. They did better than the actual people with training, even.

And seeing characters learn as they go is much more original and rewarding (and not to mention, visually appealing) than age-old Master/Apprentice stuff (especially with video games, when we're not allowed to catch our breaths; so you can bet that if Kairi's going to be trained in this game, we won't see it; but if she actually went with us, we could actually have her and see her improve), but maybe that's just me.

Really, I hate the Master/Apprentice thing in KH in general, and think it was a huge mistake from the get-go and should go.

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ultima-demi

November 5, 2016 @ 01:32 amOffline

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Still hoping for a more FF-esque party system at some point.

Kairi could end up being the unofficial 4th party member later in the game.There's no reason it needs to stay SDG now when there's so many potential characters that can tag along.

I understand Riku and Mickey have a job to do but after it's done,assuming it doesn't take the whole game.

Wouldn't it make sense to have an option for them to tag along?When Aqua and Ven are saved,there would be no reason for them to go on their own again.

An option to have them join SDG's group and have them travel together would be great.

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 01:32 amOffline

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I didn't feel that at all. DDD said to me there was more that they could have learned if they had a little bit of guidance which they didn't. Now that they've learned it the 'proper way', Riku can do things like help Sora out for example, or whatever other special things people with control over their keyblade can do. With very little knowledge of the keyblade, Sora and Riku did amazing things. Now they can do even more amazing things.

You would rather Kairi be like KH1/KH2 Sora and Riku running around not properly knowing anything about the keyblade because...?

Ignoring the whole master/apprentice thing, why would you want Kairi to start of knowing nothing with people who know almost everything is right there to give her some tips before she rushes out into a greater threat than even Sora and Riku have faced so far?

I don't get it. I understand the eagerness to have Kairi do stuff and they should have already, but they shouldn't write it poorly or have Kairi be stupid for stupid reasons when they can give her the knowledge then and there. I don't want them to rush with Kairi if they're finally going to do something about her. They need to do it right, and I think Kairi starting off with Yen Sid's guidance is best for her character.

alexis.anagram

November 5, 2016 @ 01:58 amOffline

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This was cute.

Granted I'm as underwhelmed about the Kairi snub as others in this thread: my hope is that there's something important going on with her which we're not supposed to know about so they're being deliberately coy, but then history hasn't been kind to her and there were plenty of ways to include a mention of her as a member of Sora's core group of friends without spoiling anything. Still, it's a rough synopsis printed on the back of a toy box, I don't imagine it's the definitive last word on anything that's going to happen in-game.

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November 5, 2016 @ 02:05 amOffline

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well, when they first revealed this summary back in 2013, Nomura said this about Kairi:

"About Kairi, we really considered the question but we can not say anything about it yet. During the summit announcement at E3, we did not mention Kairi at all. We will share information when we are ready, so please be patient during the wait (laughs). And of course, there is the matter of the other Keyblade Bearer at the end of KINGDOM HEARTS 3D. Unfortunately we are not allowed to disclose the details of this character presently."

Perhaps they are keeping both her and Lea's roles in KHIII quiet partly to avoid spoiling DDD for people (especially now with 2.8 about to come out)?

OathkeeperRoxas XIII

November 5, 2016 @ 02:10 amOffline

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Audo
well, when they first revealed this summary back in 2013, Nomura said this about Kairi:

"About Kairi, we really considered the question but we can not say anything about it yet. During the summit announcement at E3, we did not mention Kairi at all. We will share information when we are ready, so please be patient during the wait (laughs). And of course, there is the matter of the other Keyblade Bearer at the end of KINGDOM HEARTS 3D. Unfortunately we are not allowed to disclose the details of this character presently."

Perhaps they are keeping both her and Lea's roles in KHIII quiet partly to avoid spoiling DDD for people (especially now with 2.8 about to come out)?


And no one bothered reminding people that maybe not to spoil what they are up to? We haven't got a actual full look at her new outfit or what Lea is gonna look either

So have patience or what this have become

LightUpTheSky452

November 5, 2016 @ 02:15 amOffline

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kirabook
I didn't feel that at all. DDD said to me there was more that they could have learned if they had a little bit of guidance which they didn't. Now that they've learned it the 'proper way', Riku can do things like help Sora out for example, or whatever other special things people with control over their keyblade can do. With very little knowledge of the keyblade, Sora and Riku did amazing things. Now they can do even more amazing things.

You would rather Kairi be like KH1/KH2 Sora and Riku running around not properly knowing anything about the keyblade because...?

Ignoring the whole master/apprentice thing, why would you want Kairi to start of knowing nothing with people who know almost everything is right there to give her some tips before she rushes out into a greater threat than even Sora and Riku have faced so far?

I don't get it. I understand the eagerness to have Kairi do stuff and they should have already, but they shouldn't write it poorly or have Kairi be stupid for stupid reasons when they can give her the knowledge then and there. I don't want them to rush with Kairi if they're finally going to do something about her. They need to do it right, and I think Kairi starting off with Yen Sid's guidance is best for her character.


Because I see her being out of the game 100% of the time if they do that. But if she's a good little girl and waits like she always has to, then maybe the writers will let her out of Yen Sid's tower to participate in the final battle. And that's a big maybe. But even then, her (and everyone else's) thunder will be stolen by Sora saving the day anyway, so...

And that's the reason right there, I'm realizing (that I didn't know until I started typing this): because she's had to wait too much already, now it's her turn to act.

I'm also probably not going to believe they're doing anything with her at all, if the first trailer (and maybe multiple trailers) we see with her has her in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (which is so cheap, btw) or something. But say we see her fighting outside Rapunzel's tower... then that's an entirely different story.

I can also so totally hear the things the Kairi haters will already say if she uses the Chamber--or even doesn't, but still gets formal training. "Meh, Kairi sucks so much!!! There's no way she's as good as Sora or Riku are! Look at all the stuff they could do without training, but for Kairi to come anywhere near close to them, she had to bleed, sweat, and work. But Sora just magically knew what to do when fighting a Darkside for the first time, because he's the best thing since toast. Kairi's such a loser."

(And on a side note, I'm going to laugh if Square Enix ends up giving her official training from a Master--when they completely snubbed her in BbS, in not letting her get an official Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony from one! Oh, Square Enix. You guys are just oh so funny when it comes to Kairi.) <_<

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 02:43 amOffline

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Getting a lecture or two about the keyblade and basic training does not take an entire game.

Story wise, just thrusting her out there is bad. There's no way around it. Personal feelings or not, for the sake of HER character KH3 and onwards, they should take her character and do it properly.

I am not excusing Nomura basically ignoring Kairi much of the time and I am eager to have her with her buddies and do some cool things, but I care most about the plot and reasoning for things that isn't totally absurd. I'm completely willing to pretend that in a quarter of the time it took Sora and Riku to get to where they are, Kairi was also able to become powerful thanks to Yen Sid setting her on the right path from the getgo. He gives her tips. He shows her the proper use of the keyblade. He tells her everything he can. Then he sets her loose on her own adventure to learn her new powers. A real time version of Sora and Riku's time in the Realm of Sleep, which I think most of us agree could hardly be called actual training even if it's called that.

Such a thing would not take an entire game. There are plenty of games where main characters or characters who are important parts of the party don't appear right away (I'm thinking about FFX where Rikku appears a bit later). Kairi officially joining the overall team (whether it's with Sora or with Riku) about a quarter of the way through the game when she has her bearings, her new outfit, and her abilities all powered up seems totally justified to me. I can totally imagine a situation where she shows up out of the blue and gets them out of a sticky situation, completely impressing everyone there with her new skills.

TAV, especially Aqua, are some of the most beloved characters in the franchise and I rarely see anyone crapping on them for needing to be trained for years and years only to fail to beat old rickety Master Xehanort. But your solution is to just thrust her into the story with little to no explanation on how she might quickly reach Sora and Riku's level because you don't want to hear some whiny idiots complain about Kairi learning to properly use a keyblade? Ok, that totally won't have people talking about Kairi badly (even though they do already)

Nomura should do right by her in KH3 based on what is currently available to her. People who hate Kairi because she has no screentime will also hate Kairi when she does have screentime. They will also hate her if she has a proper reason for being around and they will also hate her when she doesn't. I would prefer Kairi be given every legitimate reason possible to become a strong and involved character because that's the right thing to do, not just stuff her anywhere possible thinking it's going to shut up some haters that will hate her anyway. They do not matter to me, Kairi getting treated justly does, and I am crossing my fingers for her.

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Xagzan

November 5, 2016 @ 03:30 amOffline

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*echoes severe frustration about Kairi everyone else has already said*

*really nothing else for me to add about it at this point*

*FFS Square*

EchoFringe49

November 5, 2016 @ 09:51 amOffline

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Do people honestly believe Kairi is going to be unimportant in KH3 despite being the main focus of the secret ending of DDD? Every secret ending in past KH games has heavily alluded to a large part of the story, so why would the KH team suddenly go off that trend? I want Kairi to have a bigger role in the series just like everyone else but i'm not really worried if it'll happen or not, since it seems like such a certainty.

I think a likely scenario is that she'll have a more unpredictable role in the story than most imagine. I really doubt that the whole game will involve her in training.

Hirokey123

November 5, 2016 @ 11:52 amOffline

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KH1's secret ending implied she be important in KH2.
KH2 opens with Kairi deciding waiting isn't good enough and so she will go on a quest to find her friends...she spends 90% of the game off screen or kidnapped and then is forced back onto the islands to wait for her friends anyway.
KH2 gives Kairi a keyblade and has her say that from now on she and Sora will always be together, she won't be left behind again.
BBS's ending has Kairi telling Sora to hurry back because she is going to wait on the island, directly contradicting that.
Coded ends with a letter saying everything rests within Sora, Riku, and Kairi...then Re:Coded's secret ending has ONLY Sora and Riku being summoned.
BBS has this whole thing where it makes a point that Sora and Riku have these grand destinies and will save the world in the future, all Kairi gets is being told one day she will be in danger and have to be protected by someone else. While Riku and Sora are given the power to protect or in Sora's case asked to protect someone. Hell Sora gets considered for a keyblade, Riku gets selected, and Kairi gets one by accident while cowering in fear of monsters.

DDD's secret ending is meaningless they fooled us not once but twice with the "look Kairi will be important in the future promise". It's completely fair that people are skeptical right now because they have never had a problem saying Kairi will do stuff, but they have ALWAYS failed to follow through on it.

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Ven_Roxas

November 5, 2016 @ 12:41 pmOffline

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To be fair, at the time of Coded's secret ending, Yen Sid didn't know Kairi could use a key blade, hence why at the end of DDD he said it's been brought to his attention, meaning he didn't have prior knowledge of it, meaning he wouldn't summon her if he didn't know she could use one. And how did KH1's secret ending imply she was important? Didn't it just show her waiting on the island? And in BBS, she was labeled as having a pure heart. Aqua knew the others with pure hearts were in danger, I mean, Snow White didn't go on a grand quest. So Aqua knew someone would need to protect her. So it actually made sense. the only reasonable claim in your pose is that she stayed ok the island instead of going with them in DDD.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 12:51 pmOffline

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Hirokey123
KH1's secret ending implied she be important in KH2.
KH2 opens with Kairi deciding waiting isn't good enough and so she will go on a quest to find her friends...she spends 90% of the game off screen or kidnapped and then is forced back onto the islands to wait for her friends anyway.
KH2 gives Kairi a keyblade and has her say that from now on she and Sora will always be together, she won't be left behind again.
BBS's ending has Kairi telling Sora to hurry back because she is going to wait on the island, directly contradicting that.
Coded ends with a letter saying everything rests within Sora, Riku, and Kairi...then Re:Coded's secret ending has ONLY Sora and Riku being summoned.
BBS has this whole thing where it makes a point that Sora and Riku have these grand destinies and will save the world in the future, all Kairi gets is being told one day she will be in danger and have to be protected by someone else. While Riku and Sora are given the power to protect or in Sora's case asked to protect someone. Hell Sora gets considered for a keyblade, Riku gets selected, and Kairi gets one by accident while cowering in fear of monsters.

DDD's secret ending is meaningless they fooled us not once but twice with the "look Kairi will be important in the future promise". It's completely fair that people are skeptical right now because they have never had a problem saying Kairi will do stuff, but they have ALWAYS failed to follow through on it.


Showing her in the secret ending does not necessarily imply anything. I didn't think for a second that she'd become an important figure in Kingdom Hearts 2 based on the Kingdom Hearts secret ending.

Almost everyone besides SDG were off the screen during most of the 2nd game.

In Coded they only summon Riku and Sora because of the Mark of Mastery exam. It would've been quite funny if Kairi got an invitation too. (yeah I know people would love to make her equal in power to Sora and Riku 5 minutes after getting a keyblade without any real combat experience) ^_^"

About the BBS bit. If we really want to believe in "destiny" as higher power, than Kairi didn't get selected accidentally... because if there is destiny then there are no accidents. At any rate I'm not sure why you had to highlight that she was cowering in fear of monsters. She's a little girl so I'm not sure what was your expectation regarding that scene. It gave a good answer to how actually she got away from Radiant Garden.

To be fair I'd say DDD's secret ending is the first real hint towards the possibility of Kairi getting more screen time and a bigger role because saying things like "now on she and Sora will always be together" or "waiting isn't good enough and so she will go on a quest to find her friends" are filler sentences people say.

With that said we'll just have to wait and see what the developers can cook up for her.

Hirokey123

November 5, 2016 @ 01:28 pmOffline

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Your double standard is ridiculous. Yensid's plan was to reset Sora and Riku to zero there is no reason Kairi couldn't of been included in this since she is already at zero. And heck even if Kairi isn't invited to the test she could of still been there to watch over her friends and offer moral support. You know the entire reason Donald and Goofy were there? Do also note every female hero appears in that game and the only one who says anything is Aqua, and it's a single word. The rest just stare in silence, run away, or are a memory of them being helpless.

No the female characters and DiZ were off screen for most of KH2. Mickey, Riku, and Axel all got pretty ample screen time and DiZ got way more screen time than Namine, he also quite possibly has more lines than Kairi I would need to go back and count. Please note also while Hayner and Pence at least pathetically try to stop Axel from taking Kairi...Olette literally stands there like a board and does nothing but watch and cringe.

My expectation is they never had to make her the helpless damsel in BBS but they did it anyway. They could very easily have Kairi meet Aqua and Mickey without monsters around, you know like they did for Riku and Sora. They could of had one of TAV be inspired and see themselves in Kairi like they did for Sora and Riku, really create some kind of bond for her to them. But they didn't instead they deliberately had Kairi be a damsel in distress, have people talk about how she needs to be protected cause of her light, and had her get a keyblade by accident. Like how can you not see the difference is treatment here? Riku gets a keyblade because he is a kid with a pure heart filled with dreams of protecting his friends that resonated with Terra. Sora nearly got one because he was so bright and kind Aqua saw herself in him and that is why she didn't give him one. Even then later on Sora would unknowingly receive a second keyblade via Ventus because he is just sooo great and wonderful and sensitive. Kairi however has to be rescued and touches Aqua's blade out of fear not even out of say a desire to fight and thus she gets a blade by accident and no one says a word. It's so incredibly offensive it's boggling they okayed that plot. My point with the destiny thing is the writing beyond the fact it makes it sound like Sora and Riku will save the day together alone, even though you know the one who brought their trio back together and allowed them to accomplish that task was Kairi. It would not of been hard to add some mention of Kairi playing a pretty critical role in that to.

I say DDD's secret ending is about as substantial as Kairi claiming she never be left behind again, they already failed. This is basically their last shot to redeem themselves...

Muke

November 5, 2016 @ 01:51 pmOffline

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EchoFringe49
Do people honestly believe Kairi is going to be unimportant in KH3 despite being the main focus of the secret ending of DDD? Every secret ending in past KH games has heavily alluded to a large part of the story, so why would the KH team suddenly go off that trend? I want Kairi to have a bigger role in the series just like everyone else but i'm not really worried if it'll happen or not, since it seems like such a certainty.

I think a likely scenario is that she'll have a more unpredictable role in the story than most imagine. I really doubt that the whole game will involve her in training.

Did you forget how Kairi said she wouldn't be behind anymore and all? What's with that?
Like, I do hope she gets a more prominent role (together with Naminé), but I just feel like she will be the "wasted potential of KH #246" again.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 02:04 pmOffline

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Your double standard is ridiculous. Yensid's plan was to reset Sora and Riku to zero there is no reason Kairi couldn't of been included in this since she is already at zero. And heck even if Kairi isn't invited to the test she could of still been there to watch over her friends and offer moral support. You know the entire reason Donald and Goofy were there? Do also note every female hero appears in that game and the only one who says anything is Aqua, and it's a single word. The rest just stare in silence, run away, or are a memory of them being helpless.

No the female characters and DiZ were off screen for most of KH2. Mickey, Riku, and Axel all got pretty ample screen time and DiZ got way more screen time than Namine, he also quite possibly has more lines than Kairi I would need to go back and count. Please note also while Hayner and Pence at least pathetically try to stop Axel from taking Kairi...Olette literally stands there like a board and does nothing but watch and cringe.

My expectation is they never had to make her the helpless damsel in BBS but they did it anyway. They could very easily have Kairi meet Aqua and Mickey without monsters around, you know like they did for Riku and Sora. They could of had one of TAV be inspired and see themselves in Kairi like they did for Sora and Riku, really create some kind of bond for her to them. But they didn't instead they deliberately had Kairi be a damsel in distress, have people talk about how she needs to be protected cause of her light, and had her get a keyblade by accident. Like how can you not see the difference is treatment here? Riku gets a keyblade because he is a kid with a pure heart filled with dreams of protecting his friends that resonated with Terra. Sora nearly got one because he was so bright and kind Aqua saw herself in him and that is why she didn't give him one. Even then later on Sora would unknowingly receive a second keyblade via Ventus because he is just sooo great and wonderful and sensitive. Kairi however has to be rescued and touches Aqua's blade out of fear not even out of say a desire to fight and thus she gets a blade by accident and no one says a word. It's so incredibly offensive it's boggling they okayed that plot. My point with the destiny thing is the writing beyond the fact it makes it sound like Sora and Riku will save the day together alone, even though you know the one who brought their trio back together and allowed them to accomplish that task was Kairi. It would not of been hard to add some mention of Kairi playing a pretty critical role in that to.

I say DDD's secret ending is about as substantial as Kairi claiming she never be left behind again, they already failed. This is basically their last shot to redeem themselves...


That "reset to zero" was just a reason for starting the game from low level without abilities. That doesn't mean that Riku and Sora forgot how to fight. There's a difference between the two.

Kingdom Hearts 1 pretty much established that she's not a natural fighter. You can fight anyone on the island (even Selphie) except for Kairi. Instead she's collecting shells, making good-luck charms and oversees the work of the trio. Her importance rests elsewhere and you don't even have to look to hard to find it since you too mention it: "even though you know the one who brought their trio back together and allowed them to accomplish that task was Kairi". Not everyone has to be a good fighter to be useful. Kairi never was introduced to be one and retconing her character to fit that description is just weird because we have half a dozen of keyblade wielders one stronger than the other. - at least that's how I see it.
(and actually I'd much rather see her as a sort of wizard/sorcerer/healer who uses Light as her power because I think that'd suit her quite well)

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Xagzan

November 5, 2016 @ 02:56 pmOffline

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Griewer

Kingdom Hearts 1 pretty much established that she's not a natural fighter. You can fight anyone on the island (even Selphie) except for Kairi.


However, KH2 established she can actually fight almost as well as a cutscene version of Riku, as well as jump from heights that would shatter any of our knees.



Her importance rests elsewhere



Yeah, elsewhere. So far elsewhere it's barely visible.



Not everyone has to be a good fighter to be useful.



No, but in this series, apparently you do.



Kairi never was introduced to be one and retconing her character to fit that description is just weird



It wouldn't be retconning, but changing. Besides, plenty of other characters have already been retconned. Nomura clearly has no hang ups about drastically altering things that were established over 10 years ago, so you don't have to either.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 03:07 pmOffline

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Xagzan
However, KH2 established she can actually fight almost as well as a cutscene version of Riku, as well as jump from heights that would shatter any of our knees.


Those were shadow heartless and it didn't really show anything specific other than Kairi running ahead and swinging the sword once. We really could go into the details of how well Kairi can fight, but honestly it is safe to assume that she had no prior combat experience.

Muke

November 5, 2016 @ 03:14 pmOffline

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Griewer
Those were shadow heartless and it didn't really show anything specific other than Kairi running ahead and swinging the sword once. We really could go into the details of how well Kairi can fight, but honestly it is safe to assume that she had no prior combat experience.

^^^^ this.

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Xagzan

November 5, 2016 @ 03:16 pmOffline

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Griewer
Those were shadow heartless and it didn't really show anything specific other than Kairi running ahead and swinging the sword once.


Which is pretty much all Riku did in that scene as well.

Point is, she doesn't have to be the exact same as she was in KH1 anymore.

catcake

November 5, 2016 @ 03:18 pmOffline

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Griewer
Those were shadow heartless and it didn't really show anything specific other than Kairi running ahead and swinging the sword once. We really could go into the details of how well Kairi can fight, but honestly it is safe to assume that she had no prior combat experience.


Yeah. I mean, we couldn't fight her in Destiny Island, unlike all the other kids there. But even if she did have play fights with them the same way Sora did, she would still only be about as strong as Sora was back then, in the beginning of KH1.

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 03:26 pmOffline

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In fact, I think ignoring her for so long knowing that she had any ability to hold her own from KH1 onwards would have been even worse. They really wouldn't have had any excuse or reason to exclude her.

I do personally believe they could have fit her in DDD perfectly, even if she wasn't taking the test like Sora and Riku and had her own little training session, but I digress.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 03:28 pmOffline

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catcake
Yeah. I mean, we couldn't fight her in Destiny Island, unlike all the other kids there. But even if she did have play fights with them the same way Sora did, she would still only be about as strong as Sora was back then, in the beginning of KH1.


Sora competed with Riku on a daily basis and Riku was said to be exceptionally strong for their age. Also along his journey, Sora was trained by Merlin and Phil among others.

And not even two of these journey's were enough for Sora to pass his Mark of Mastery exam. ^_^"

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Xagzan: Yeah but Riku fought in another 10-12 cutscenes and defeated amongst others: Sora, Tidus/Wakka/Selphie, the Beast, Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) and about half of Organization XIII including Lexaeus and Saix.

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Kirabook: That's actually something I can agree with. They could've started her training during DDD.

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DarkosOverlord

November 5, 2016 @ 03:29 pmOffline

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Ariel acts like she can't fight Heartless, then she slaps them to oblivion. Same with other Disney characters with arguably little to no experience in fighting hordes of demons.
Sora switched from fighting little kids with sticks and balls to gigantic demons in life threatening situations with apparently no problem. And let's not talk about the Chi players: "Here's a Keyblade, now exterminate thousands of enemies with future powers".
Young Xehanort was given a borrowed power and started kicking asses, particularly the TAV asses. Yes, he is Xehanort, but an untrained Xehanort vs three semi-Master class warriors. Just having Ansem telling you things doesn't make you capable of doing them.
Riku and Kairi started destroying Shadows with one-hit almost casually, then spent all of Ansem's monologue trying to hit the same Shadow who just avoided them like a freaking ninja.

It's Kingdom Hearts.
I feel like too much in-depth fighting analysis is out of place here. People, and Kairi, will be able to fight as a Saiyan trained by a Jedi Master if the plot demands it.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 03:38 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord
Ariel acts like she can't fight Heartless, then she slaps them to oblivion. Same with other Disney characters with arguably little to no experience in fighting hordes of demons.
Sora switched from fighting little kids with sticks and balls to gigantic demons in life threatening situations with apparently no problem. And let's not talk about the Chi players: "Here's a Keyblade, now exterminate thousands of enemies with future powers".
Young Xehanort was given a borrowed power and started kicking asses, particularly the TAV asses. Yes, he is Xehanort, but an untrained Xehanort vs three semi-Master class warriors. Just having Ansem telling you things doesn't make you capable of doing them.
Riku and Kairi started destroying Shadows with one-hit almost casually, then spent all of Ansem's monologue trying to hit the same Shadow who just avoided them like a freaking ninja.

It's Kingdom Hearts.
I feel like too much in-depth fighting analysis is out of place here. People, and Kairi, will be able to fight as a Saiyan trained by a Jedi Master if the plot demands it.


She probably will no worries there.
Anyway I have this theory that a keyblade actually enhances your abilities that could explain a whole lot of issues ranging from the insanely long jumps to defeating super big monsters, which would be nice in Kairi's case as well but she still needs to get some experience and get herself familiarized with battles before she could go one-on-one against a Seeker of Darkness.

As for the Disney party-members -> I'd say most of that is simple flavor to the game so that we don't have to play the same three characters all the time. Some of them do have a serious fighting chance while others (for example Ariel) would be probably butchered on the scene story-wise.

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DarkosOverlord

November 5, 2016 @ 03:40 pmOffline

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Griewer
She probably will no worries there.
Anyway I have this theory that a keyblade actually enhances your abilities that could explain a whole lot of issues ranging from the insanely long jumps to defeating super big monsters, which would be nice in Kairi's case as well but she still needs to get some experience and get herself familiarized with battles before she could go one-on-one against a Seeker of Darkness.


Or Sora surviving gunshots.
That's obviously suspension of reality but idk it always bothers me. Even more than Xehanort splitting planets apart.

Griewer

November 5, 2016 @ 03:47 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord
Or Sora surviving gunshots.
That's obviously suspension of reality but idk it always bothers me. Even more than Xehanort splitting planets apart.


Everything beyond the Altar of Naught: Sora going Advent Children Cloud, flying and splitting skyscrapers into pieces with the most hilarious part is when Riku and Sora together parry like a thousand lasers which come crashing down on them at the same time. :'D
... I really should replay the Kingdom Hearts 2. :'DD

kirabook

November 5, 2016 @ 04:18 pmOffline

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Sora's sudden acrobatics at the end of KH2 always bothered me, but I digress. ha. It's truly why I don't mind if Kairi learns quickly and is able to keep up with them. As long as it's not RIGHT AWAY, it's all good. For KH3, I'm not worried about Kairi and I trust whatever Nomura has planned for her. What gives me this confidence? Aqua does. I like Aqua, I like how she's written, and I love the focus she's getting. If Nomura can create a character like Aqua, his other female characters are not lost.

People should continue to demand more of Kairi so that Nomura and the team know that people want more of her, but at the same time, don't expect her to be shoved in everything because the writing will suffer. I think Nomura can still dig himself out of the lack-of-Kairi hole, but shoving her straight into the action is not for the best imo.

Kairi will most definitely be as overpowered as her pals in KH3 at some point.

Sorakh212

November 6, 2016 @ 02:27 amOffline

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Interesting I didn't know these Play Arts Kai figures had much of a background or story printed on the boxed for their characters. Seriously can't wait to get my hands on this one though.
I never expected them to reveal too much given that it's just a figure after all but I like that it doesn't reveal too much and keeps things ambiguous and up to our imaginations and speculations.

Luxu

November 6, 2016 @ 02:44 amOffline

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DarkosOverlord
Ariel acts like she can't fight Heartless, then she slaps them to oblivion. Same with other Disney characters with arguably little to no experience in fighting hordes of demons.
Sora switched from fighting little kids with sticks and balls to gigantic demons in life threatening situations with apparently no problem. And let's not talk about the Chi players: "Here's a Keyblade, now exterminate thousands of enemies with future powers".
Young Xehanort was given a borrowed power and started kicking asses, particularly the TAV asses. Yes, he is Xehanort, but an untrained Xehanort vs three semi-Master class warriors. Just having Ansem telling you things doesn't make you capable of doing them.
Riku and Kairi started destroying Shadows with one-hit almost casually, then spent all of Ansem's monologue trying to hit the same Shadow who just avoided them like a freaking ninja.

It's Kingdom Hearts.
I feel like too much in-depth fighting analysis is out of place here. People, and Kairi, will be able to fight as a Saiyan trained by a Jedi Master if the plot demands it.


Heartless aren't demons! They are darkness just given form, like how Nobodies are darkness taking over a body...Wow.
Sora freaked out when he first began fighting Heartless..?
Chi Players...They are pretty obedient to their Masters, but we did see the Player freak out when confronted with a Darkside, but after they find out that all Heartless are illusions, it seems they lose all interest.
Young Xehanort is just...A plothole, that is all. He managed to time travel to the future, and yeah.
Don't all Keyblade Users have the ability to kill Shadows with one hit? Wait, that would mean the illusions in Chi are slightly sturdier...
Can I find that Ansem fighting a Shadow somewhere?
pls link it...

Xickin

November 6, 2016 @ 04:29 amOffline

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I heard a guy say that Tetsuya Nomura say in an interview that Aqua will be save in 0.2. Can anybody confirm or deny?

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November 6, 2016 @ 05:15 amOffline

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Xickin
I heard a guy say that Tetsuya Nomura say in an interview that Aqua will be save in 0.2. Can anybody confirm or deny?

Nomura has definitely not said that.

namidawa

November 6, 2016 @ 05:27 amOffline

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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Ventus as the battle-scarred wielder. He's literally been scarred down (twice) through his heart. Plus Riku and Mickey's venture into Castle Oblivion doesn't seem too far-fetched either, but I have a feeling the Trinity Team are probably gonna be inserted there in some way or another (related to their mission most likely).

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DarkosOverlord

November 6, 2016 @ 11:10 amOffline

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Heartless aren't demons! They are darkness just given form, like how Nobodies are darkness taking over a body...Wow.



I wasn't using exact terminology there.
I referred to them as "demons" as a shock value, since they're obviously not your everyday being, and when a human sees a dark creature with unexpressive eyes who hunts down other humans and reproduce like that, demon seems really fitting. To further state that a Darkside is definitely an abysmal challenge compared to Tidus.
Surely, a 14 years old boy or a common Disney Charaters wouldn't think "Oh wow, that's definitely Darkness given form" (and that's still technically incorrect with the Emblems, since they're produced with a living being base).



Sora freaked out when he first began fighting Heartless..?



At the Deep Dive? Not at all.
But obviously you were referring to the Island, or possibly Traverse Town.
Well, it might be because I was controlling him, but I didn't see a change in his fighting abilities whatsoever. Which was my only point, not the psycological aspect.
Same for the Chi players one.



Young Xehanort is just...A plothole, that is all. He managed to time travel to the future, and yeah.



A plothole with a distinct ability for kicking asses.
THen Kairi doing the same in KH III will also be a plothole, nothing changes.



Can I find that Ansem fighting a Shadow somewhere?
pls link it...



I'm unable to locate a precise gif, but it's around 10:26 here.
[video=youtube;RgCPji8-9ec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCPji8-9ec[/video]

namidawa
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Ventus as the battle-scarred wielder. He's literally been scarred down (twice) through his heart. Plus Riku and Mickey's venture into Castle Oblivion doesn't seem too far-fetched either, but I have a feeling the Trinity Team are probably gonna be inserted there in some way or another (related to their mission most likely).


"Battle-scarred" could also not refer to a literal scar, but also metaphorical. In that sense, everyone from the TAV has been scarred, so it could be Ventus just like it could be Aqua or Terra.
However, Ventus is currently in a maze that only Aqua knows how to solve, and 0.2 apparently opens up with Mickey explaining Riku and Kairi the truth about Aqua.
I think she's a more possible candidate than Ven.
Although, Mickey helping out his friend Riku in finding Riku's important person, Terra... I would like that.

LightUpTheSky452

November 6, 2016 @ 01:21 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord
Although, Mickey helping out his friend Riku in finding Riku's important person, Terra... I would like that.


But of course if they do do that (and Sora gets to save Ven), watch Kairi not get to help out the person that she's meant to have a connection to.

Ugh.

Edit: Also, the more I think about it, the more Kairi not being mentioned on this gets stupider and stupider.

I mean, one of the reasons the world is under control by one Master, is because he's made the ultimatum that if the Seven Lights don't gather, then he'll go after the Princesses of Heart to reach his goals instead. And who just happens to be a Princess of Heart, who's now being trained so she won't be helpless should Xehanort target her again? Oh, yeah: Kairi!

And furthermore, one of the people in need of saving is inside of Kairi. So you can darn bet that she's going to have to be involved in at least that one rescue!

And yet there's no mention of her in this summary at all. Not even as one of Sora's friends who's helped him out before (and Sora wouldn't even be a human again after I, if it weren't for Kairi; nor would Riku have gotten over himself and come back to his friends... and nor would Sora and Riku have gotten to return back to the Realm of Light at the end of KHII without her...) -sigh-

Mirashade

November 6, 2016 @ 01:36 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord
Although, Mickey helping out his friend Riku in finding Riku's important person, Terra... I would like that.

Okay, but imagine this: Riku and Mickey go looking for the Battle-Scarred Keybearer deep within the depths of Castle Oblivion, and they find him... Terra. Still looking for Ventus after all these years.

Spare my heart, that's what I'd want to happen. Plot twist switcheroo and all.

catcake

November 6, 2016 @ 01:48 pmOffline

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Okay, but imagine this: Riku and Mickey go looking for the Battle-Scarred Keybearer deep within the depths of Castle Oblivion, and they find him... Terra. Still looking for Ventus after all these years.

Spare my heart, that's what I'd want to happen. Plot twist switcheroo and all.


It would make sense to first find Aqua and then go save Ven with her, since she is the only one who can navigate the castle. Sora is apparently going to be the one to save Aqua, so I have a feeling they might also go save Ven after that. Riku and Mickey looking for Terra makes sense I guess, but I don't really get why they would go look for him in Castle Oblivion?

Mirashade

November 6, 2016 @ 02:08 pmOffline

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It would make sense to first find Aqua and then go save Ven with her, since she is the only one who can navigate the castle. Sora is apparently going to be the one to save Aqua, so I have a feeling they might also go save Ven after that. Riku and Mickey looking for Terra makes sense I guess, but I don't really get why they would go look for him in Castle Oblivion?


It's not that I'd imagine that's the most likely thing to happen, only that that's a scene I've imagined would be emotional. As in, it's a plot twist that the player expects them to be looking for Ven, but they find Terra instead. Also, best case scenario, Aqua is already saved at the beginning of KH3 with the rest of the BBS gang being prioritized for whatever adventure they set off on during the main plot of KH3.

FudgemintGuardian

November 6, 2016 @ 03:10 pmOffline

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This is the first time in a long time that the "Key to Return Hearts" has been mentioned. For a while there I was wondering if it got dropped.

Hirokey123

November 6, 2016 @ 03:17 pmOffline

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I really expect Ven to be saved last because Aqua made a promise that she would bring Terra back with her when she returns to Ven to wake him up. You know this series promises are serious things that pretty much always will be followed up on even if they have to make last minute excuses to do so. Case example Sora said he return to Kairi at the islands when he got Riku back. Despite KH2 making it seem like that promise was broken at the last 10 minutes of the game Kairi is departed from her trio and forced back onto the island. Then as promised Sora returns to the island with Riku in tow and returns the good luck charm. So I very much expect that Bentus won't awaken until Aqua and Terra are together...even if they have to bend the plot backwards to do so. Like thrusting him to sleep and tossing him back into the chamber of waking through shenanigans.

Muke

November 6, 2016 @ 03:21 pmOffline

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Hirokey123
I really expect Ven to be saved last because Aqua made a promise that she would bring Terra back with her when she returns to Ven to wake him up. You know this series promises are serious things that pretty much always will be followed up on even if they have to make last minute excuses to do so. Case example Sora said he return to Kairi at the islands when he got Riku back. Despite KH2 making it seem like that promise was broken at the last 10 minutes of the game Kairi is departed from her trio and forced back onto the island. Then as promised Sora returns to the island with Riku in tow and returns the good luck charm. So I very much expect that Bentus won't awaken until Aqua and Terra are together...even if they have to bend the plot backwards to do so. Like thrusting him to sleep and tossing him back into the chamber of waking through shenanigans.

Damn, I completely forgot about that promise! Now I am expecting this too

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 03:26 pmOffline

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i think i know what role kairi i think riku will be killed this will will lead sora to start to go into the darkness because his best friend been killed then kairi will try to bring sora back into the light after all kairi is sora light and like somebody already kairi is the glue to hold the trio toghter if something happen to one of them kairi she will amend it

Muke

November 6, 2016 @ 03:34 pmOffline

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No, Goso. This isn't some shonen anime

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 03:37 pmOffline

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Muke
No, Goso. This isn't some shonen anime
i know it isnt muke but remmber this is war we talking about whenever there been war without casutlies though

catcake

November 6, 2016 @ 03:38 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
i think i know what role kairi i think riku will be killed this will will lead sora to start to go into the darkness because his best friend been killed then kairi will try to bring sora back into the light after all kairi is sora light and like somebody already kairi is the glue to hold the trio toghter if something happen to one of them kairi she will amend it


I highly doubt they would kill anyone from the main bunch. This is KH, hope always wins in the end and no one actually dies permanently. And I really hope SRK won't be separated again, we've been through that plot many times enough already, just let them work together for once. For once the setting isn't "look for Riku and/or Kairi", and it shouldn't go back to that. There's already enough going on with the plot, saving TAV, whatever is going on with the whole Chi cast etc. so adding too much drama between SRK sounds unnecessary to me.

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 03:46 pmOffline

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I highly doubt they would kill anyone from the main bunch. This is KH, hope always wins in the end and no one actually dies permanently. And I really hope SRK won't be separated again, we've been through that plot many times enough already, just let them work together for once. For once the setting isn't "look for Riku and/or Kairi", and it shouldn't go back to that. There's already enough going on with the plot, saving TAV, whatever is going on with the whole Chi cast etc. so adding too much drama between SRK sounds unnecessary to me.
erques is dead and not all the time hope will win i mean the prophecy will happen trust me i dont want riku or any of srk trio to die but i think it will happen

Precursor Mar

November 6, 2016 @ 04:00 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
erques is dead and not all the time hope will win i mean the prophecy will happen trust me i dont want riku or any of srk trio to die but i think it will happen


Dude, Eraqus was just a side character that appeared in, what, two or three scenes? Being voiced by Mark Hamill was the most memorable thing about him.

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 04:11 pmOffline

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Precursor Mar
Dude, Eraqus was just a side character that appeared in, what, two or three scenes? Being voiced by Mark Hamill was the most memorable thing about him.
doesnt matter was he not immportant to tav trio

Hirokey123

November 6, 2016 @ 04:12 pmOffline

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Eraqus probably isn't dead the game heavily implies he escaped death by having his heart transfer into Terra at the last moment.

Dandelion

November 6, 2016 @ 04:13 pmOffline

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Precursor Mar
Dude, Eraqus was just a side character that appeared in, what, two or three scenes? Being voiced by Mark Hamill was the most memorable thing about him.


Are you serious? Eraqus is Xehanort's rival, and one of the first characters we've seen in KH3.

Also, guys, he's not dead. Xehanort almost explicitly states that Eraqus's heart is in Terra. We see it happen when Eraqus collapses into Terra and his body fades into dust, but his heart is nowhere to be seen.

EDIT: damn it, hirokey

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 04:17 pmOffline

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Eraqus probably isn't dead the game heavily implies he escaped death by having his heart transfer into Terra at the last moment.
does it matter though he was still kiled look all i am saying is dpnt be surpise if someone like riku dies

Oracle Spockanort

November 6, 2016 @ 04:21 pmOffline

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Riku isn't going to die. Sora's got super heart magic powers and would probably break the laws of time travel or use Kingdom Hearts to bring him back lol.

Eraqus was different, mainly because older parental/mentor figures are easy death fodder in media. He's coming back anyways.

I mean I totally expect somebody to die but it isn't going to be Riku.

Muke

November 6, 2016 @ 04:22 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
does it matter though he was still kiled look all i am saying is dpnt be surpise if someone like riku dies

No, you shouldn't be surprised if someone like Riku doesn't die. I just don't see it.

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 04:25 pmOffline

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Muke
No, you shouldn't be surprised if someone like Riku doesn't die. I just don't see it.
like i said i could be wrong but let wait and see but that just me

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Vasquez

November 6, 2016 @ 06:27 pmOffline

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This is a new KH game new chatacters and new major concepts will be introduced.

I son't think what the two grups are searching for is something necessarily revelaed/hinted at in a previous game.

gosoxtim

November 6, 2016 @ 06:41 pmOffline

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the one thing i dont get everybody expect sora to be this savor and do great things but he not he just a n ordinary boy that can do specail stuff

Muke

November 6, 2016 @ 06:53 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
the one thing i dont get everybody expect sora to be this savor and do great things but he not he just a n ordinary boy that can do specail stuff

Well, we can't expect him not to do anything just because he is a normal boy.
I don't understand...

Griewer

November 6, 2016 @ 07:02 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
the one thing i dont get everybody expect sora to be this savor and do great things but he not he just a n ordinary boy that can do specail stuff


Yeah... well he is the main protagonist isn't he? :D

LightUpTheSky452

November 6, 2016 @ 07:58 pmOffline

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Muke
No, Goso. This isn't some shonen anime


Could've fooled me.

@Muke and Griewer I think what gosoxtim is getting at, is that all this knowledge that Sora is a special trademarked boy destined to save everyone (that no one else could even dream of accomplishing) sort of contradicts Nomura's comments that he's "just an ordinary boy."

And actually going off of that, this line in the KHIII summary really bothered me: Chosen by the Keyblade, he is the one whose heart’s light never fails to shine as a beacon of hope. It's like they're treating Sora like he's a Princess of Heart or something. No, like he's better than a Princess of Heart (because with how poorly they've been handled in this series, they seem pretty dull). You'd think if anything this section would be about those whose very existence keeps the world from falling into shadows once more, but it's not: it's about someone who's been proven to have darkness in his heart and to fail before.

And I know what you guys are going to say. "Sora's really not special; he's just doing what anyone else in this series technically could, but never will, and that's why he's going to be the one to save everybody." And in that case, Nomura's doing a horrible job of selling that point. If anything, Sora really seems more like a Mary-Sue with each passing day more than anything else.

I mean for God's sake, Nomura. If that's your explanation for why Sora's "just an ordinary boy", Nomura, then show it. Have Ventus' heart go into Riku's instead of Sora's, for instance, so that we can see he's not the only one with the ability to create a heart hotel, but is just the one to help out that way more than anyone else does. Because until you do, most no one is even going to believe the other characters even have that kind of capability like Sora does!

And while you're at it, don't have him defeat gods by himself--and the like--if you don't want the audience to believe he's remarkable without his friends' help!

I love what my boyfriend said about this description, btw (he's more of a casual fan, but he's actually played all the games and loves KH a lot and we talk about about it all the time; he was also upset about the no mention of Kairi): "Wow. That entire thing is just full of such testosterone and is a huge sausage fest. They're really trying to sell this game and Sora as a character, aren't they?"

ANYWAY, onto other topics, this fandom seems to have an obsession with killing Riku off. I see it in a lot of fanworks and stuff. And while it'l never happen (because he's too popular and Nomura loves him too much), I think Riku would be a good candidate to get rid of, because his story is completely done. And the more they try to do with him, the more chance they'll ruin the amazing work they actually did do with him. So why not have him go out in a blaze of glory, then?

Once again, I know it'll never happen. But if I'm being honest, I kind of want it to. But then I'm just turning into a morbid and cynical old person, who thinks KH would've stayed a whole lot better if a lot of these characters had actually stayed dead. Meh.

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DarkosOverlord

November 6, 2016 @ 08:17 pmOffline

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And actually going off of that, this line in the KHIII summary really bothered me: Chosen by the Keyblade, he is the one whose heart’s light never fails to shine as a beacon of hope. It's like they're treating Sora like he's a Princess of Heart or something. No, like he's better than a Princess of Heart (because with how poorly they've been handled in this series, they seem pretty dull). You'd think if anything this section would be about those whose very existence keeps the world from falling into shadows once more, but it's not: it's about someone who's been proven to have darkness in his heart and to fail before.

And in that case, Nomura's doing a horrible job of selling that point. If anything, Sora really seems more like a Mary-Sue with each passing day more than anything else.

I mean for God's sake, Nomura. If that's your explanation for why Sora's "just an ordinary boy", Nomura, then show it.



The not-so-great communication skills of Nomura-san.
I swear, a huge deal of the "fights" breaking out in the fandom aren't because someone didn't understand something and is being an ass about it, but for how arbitrary and poorly explained characters and events are.

Couldn't agree more.



ANYWAY, onto other topics, this fandom seems to have an obsession with killing Riku off. I see it in a lot of fanworks and stuff. And while it'l never happen (because he's too popular and Nomura loves him too much), I think Riku would be a good candidate to get rid of, because his story is completely done. And the more they try to do with him, the more chance they'll ruin the amazing work they actually did do with him. So why not have him go out in a blaze of glory, then?

Once again, I know it'll never happen. But if I'm being honest, I kind of want it to. But then I'm just turning into a morbid and cynical old person, who thinks KH would've stayed a whole lot better if a lot of these characters had actually stayed dead. Meh.



Here, as well.
Riku's story was great, but unless they pull something out of the blue, I agree all that is left for him is to be a great Keyblade Master and repel future enemies.
He had all his tropes exploited, he got redemption and even saved Sora, I think he's done.
Heck, most of the KH III topics don't really concern him as a person anymore.

Precursor Mar

November 6, 2016 @ 08:21 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
doesnt matter was he not immportant to tav trio


It matters when you're comparing him to someone who's been a prominent protagonist for the majority of this series.

Tinny
Are you serious? Eraqus is Xehanort's rival, and one of the first characters we've seen in KH3.


That rivalry contributes about as much to BBS's plot as the FF gang in Destiny Islands do to KH1's.

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DarkosOverlord

November 6, 2016 @ 08:24 pmOffline

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Precursor Mar
That rivalry contributes about as much to BBS's plot as the FF gang in Destiny Islands do to KH1's.


I'll be honest, I would've been fine if Eraqus remained "dead", but just the KH III trailer proves you wrong, man.

catcake

November 6, 2016 @ 08:25 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord

Riku's story was great, but unless they pull something out of the blue, I agree all that is left for him is to be a great Keyblade Master and repel future enemies.
He had all his tropes exploited, he got redemption and even saved Sora, I think he's done.
Heck, most of the KH III topics don't really concern him as a person anymore.


I agree with this, but for me it doesn't mean the next step in character development is that he should die (not saying that's what you're implying here either). Riku has had his development, and I think it would be good to give time for other characters who really need it. I like Riku as much as the next person, and I'm sure he's going to be in KH3 and all, but I doubt he'll have a huge part in the plot, definitely not something as dramatic as dying. I sure hope so at least. More Namine, Kairi and TAV would be great.

Precursor Mar

November 6, 2016 @ 09:20 pmOffline

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DarkosOverlord
I'll be honest, I would've been fine if Eraqus remained "dead", but just the KH III trailer proves you wrong, man.


The fact that we needed an entirely new game to establish this just proves how much of an unimportant character he was. Eraqus and Xehanort could've barely known each other and it would've changed nothing about BBS.

SoraForeverKH

November 6, 2016 @ 11:27 pmOffline

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This is interesting. At least it's some KH III details that we've all been wanting for a long time now. I'm happy about that!
I of course like it a lot because this particular article features Sora... Coooooool!

The part where it mentions a battle scarred master is truly fascinating. I have a feeling it's not just Aqua they're talking about. I'm with some of those other ideas about it being someone connected to our KHUX game. I've been wondering about why Ephemer has seemed to be popping up in images and drawings with Sora. Could it be someone like him?
I still don't know how that character's story turns out, and I don't want to spoil it but find out on my own time adventuring in the game as my Keyblade wielder Aera.
I'd definitely say the key to return hearts is the same thing that was revealed and focused on in Re:coded, with all the painful memories of others connected to him. That makes sense. Funny that just about everyone close to Sora already knows this but has yet to tell him about it. Are they really going to have Sora go out on his journey and hope he discovers the truth on his own? And if so, why? My us going to be the one to take those matters into his own hands and have the role in revealing this to him, I just know it! (>~<)

And, this Sora play arts is a work of art that I'd love to own so I could admire it continually.

Hirokey123

November 6, 2016 @ 11:58 pmOffline

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Isn't the next logical step for Riku to be a teacher? You say he is done but I feel like we barely scratched the surface. He is no more done than a person who graduated college. The only friendship of his remotely fleshed out is Sora's and with everyone coming back there is a lot of potential ground to cover. His friendships with Roxas, Xion, and Kairi need a lot of expansion and this isn't counting the new friendships/relationships he can form with TAV. He has a new duty to go out, spread the keyblade, find an apprentice, impart all he had learned to others not just about the keyblade but darkness as well. Becoming the world traveling spokes person for darkness while being a hero and showing the good it can do...you know the exact opposite of Xehanort. But even more so who says bring a master is what Riku wants to do with his life. He wanted to be strong to protect the things that matter but that doesn't mean he wants to spend his entire life as a wandering warrior and teacher. Maybe he wants to go out in the new Xehanort free world and find what he actually like to do as a job for his life. Perhaps he ends up enjoying uncovering secrets and decides to be an archeoligst type dude. Maybe he starts to delve into science himself and starts trying to use it to better the world. Maybe he finds the pirate life is for him and settles down as a pirate in another world.

Riku's story isn't done yet just that one single arc of his fall and redemption is.

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DarkosOverlord

November 7, 2016 @ 12:11 amOffline

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Hirokey123
Isn't the next logical step for Riku to be a teacher? You say he is done but I feel like we barely scratched the surface. He is no more done than a person who graduated college. The only friendship of his remotely fleshed out is Sora's and with everyone coming back there is a lot of potential ground to cover. His friendships with Roxas, Xion, and Kairi need a lot of expansion and this isn't counting the new friendships/relationships he can form with TAV. He has a new duty to go out, spread the keyblade, find an apprentice, impart all he had learned to others not just about the keyblade but darkness as well. Becoming the world traveling spokes person for darkness while being a hero and showing the good it can do...you know the exact opposite of Xehanort. But even more so who says bring a master is what Riku wants to do with his life. He wanted to be strong to protect the things that matter but that doesn't mean he wants to spend his entire life as a wandering warrior and teacher. Maybe he wants to go out in the new Xehanort free world and find what he actually like to do as a job for his life. Perhaps he ends up enjoying uncovering secrets and decides to be an archeoligst type dude. Maybe he starts to delve into science himself and starts trying to use it to better the world. Maybe he finds the pirate life is for him and settles down as a pirate in another world.

Riku's story isn't done yet just that one single arc of his fall and redemption is.


You're treating Riku as a real person, remember he's a videogame character: he will do and we will only see stuff related to the plot of n game (replacing n with the game's title).
So, deepening bonds with every person he knows (btw, I sincerely doubt he and Roxas are "friends") and him choosing a place to live and carreer are kinda out of the picture.
Considering how Kingdom Hearts (well, fantasy games in general) does things, I also doubt we're ever getting his thrilling tale of preaching the Keyblade or teaching students (I also don't see him as a teacher in the first place)
As I said: unless Kingdom Hearts III brings out new bonds, characters or who knows, Riku's basically done, 'cept maybe a conclusive epilogue with Terra and Xion.

He saved his friends. He amended for his mistakes. He defeated his doubts and Ansem. He fulfilled Terra's expectations.

His "arc" was indeed a part of his fictional life, but the only that mattered to the saga so far, therefore the only relevant one.
Again, he's not a real person with a full life: he does not exist outside of the plot, hence we can't call that developing him.

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tiofrodo

November 7, 2016 @ 12:36 amOffline

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DarkosOverlord
I'll be honest, I would've been fine if Eraqus remained "dead", but just the KH III trailer proves you wrong, man.


Which trailer is this that i have missed?

LightUpTheSky452

November 7, 2016 @ 12:41 amOffline

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Hirokey123
Isn't the next logical step for Riku to be a teacher? You say he is done but I feel like we barely scratched the surface. He is no more done than a person who graduated college. The only friendship of his remotely fleshed out is Sora's and with everyone coming back there is a lot of potential ground to cover. His friendships with Roxas, Xion, and Kairi need a lot of expansion and this isn't counting the new friendships/relationships he can form with TAV. He has a new duty to go out, spread the keyblade, find an apprentice, impart all he had learned to others not just about the keyblade but darkness as well. Becoming the world traveling spokes person for darkness while being a hero and showing the good it can do...you know the exact opposite of Xehanort. But even more so who says bring a master is what Riku wants to do with his life. He wanted to be strong to protect the things that matter but that doesn't mean he wants to spend his entire life as a wandering warrior and teacher. Maybe he wants to go out in the new Xehanort free world and find what he actually like to do as a job for his life. Perhaps he ends up enjoying uncovering secrets and decides to be an archeoligst type dude. Maybe he starts to delve into science himself and starts trying to use it to better the world. Maybe he finds the pirate life is for him and settles down as a pirate in another world.

Riku's story isn't done yet just that one single arc of his fall and redemption is.


I actually agree with all of this, though I feel like if Riku becomes a teacher then he'll fade from the plot some.

And that's not actually a bad thing; I think that should happen to any character after they've had a lot of screentime (which is why I'm actually praying that as much as I love Percy and Annabeth, that Rick Riordan will stop bringing them into his book series. Because after all they've been through, they deserve to retire and have a happy life finally. And their story is done.), but I just fear that Nomura will drag Riku out into the forefront forever--because he loves him so much--and then (even if he is doing something cool like teaching) I think we'll be getting too much Riku, and it will probably hurt his amazing arc. But we'll see what ends up happening:)

On a side note, Lord Moldybutt on fanfiction--who wrote a Kingdom Hearts/Star Wars trilogy of fics after KHII (who should be awarded for doing the Master/Apprentice thing in his story before that was a thing in KH, and for pretty much being psychic and realizing KH could use Star Wars someday, amazingly enough)--had Riku as a teacher in his works: he was the master to Taran from The Black Cauldron, actually. And Lord Moldybutt handled it all really well, and made it believable for his character. So I could see that in Riku's future. Yeah.

But once again,if this happens, don't be surprised if he only starts getting as much screentime as Eraqus did in BbS... If Nomura can ever let go of him at all.

And like I said above, if Riku does become a teacher, I think it would be best/make sense if he faded into the background some.

We need to finally focus on our other characters and relationships some, anyway. *cough* Especially the girls'. *cough*

maryadavies

November 7, 2016 @ 12:53 amOffline

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I have a feeling once Terra comes back, instead of Terra being Riku's master, Riku's going to be Terra's master for a while. Think about it.

Terra chose Riku, but Riku became a master without him and also learned to control the darkness that Terra can't. I can see Terra learning from Riku, seriously...

LightUpTheSky452

November 7, 2016 @ 01:34 amOffline

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I'd actually really like that, maryadavies:) To be honest, I don't like the Master/Apprentice system at all in KH, but this would be one time I'd absolutely adore it if that ended up being the case.

Also, I know the chances of this being true are negative five million, but I'd love it if the battle worn person they're talking about is Naminé.

That poor girl has been through so very much.

But for that to happen, the writers would finally have to acknowledge her suffering--and really dive into it--and I don't see them doing that, sadly.

Sephiroth0812

November 7, 2016 @ 11:12 amOffline

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I'm not really sure if I should be amused, concerned or facepalming at the fact that getting a sort of more detailed version of the KH III story summary which opens up some possibly new light on the mission Riku & Mickey have to tackle as well as hammering home that Sora did many of the special feats he did through "many friends having lent their support and powers" (without calling everyone by name obviously as that wouldn't fit in) turned into yet another ten-page-long almost-rant focusing solely on Kairi.

Falling into the other extreme to "combat" the undoubted neglect the character has experienced by feeling the need to shove/expect her in(to) every new information that comes out will probably not help and possibly even make things in worse in the long run.
Fact is that she has been detached from almost all the important plot points and connections with other important original characters, especially the ones mentioned in the summary.

The ones who drive the plot and share the close connections with the other originals like TAV (even more so since 0.2 apparently will somehow deepen the connection between Aqua and Sora, on top of the latter's already close connection with Ventus) are undoubtly Sora, Riku and Mickey primarily while Donald and Goofy are those who will be Sora's primary assistance (and the main selling point for the casuals due to the "SDG"-dynamic) hence why those are the only ones mentioned by name.

Sora & Riku are the protagonist and deuteragonist respectively while Mickey, Donald and Goofy are the "main" Disney representatives. These are the most known to the casual crowd and the wider fandom up to now and since this is only a little more detailed version of the summary already known since 2013 it should not be that much of a surprise that there are no additional names mentioned.

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