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Gargoyles was in talks for Kingdom Hearts in the past

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Published on March 15, 2016 @ 11:15 pm
Written by Arielle
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Last year at MomoCon 2015 in Atlanta, Georgia, there was a special retrospective panel held for Disney's Gargoyles where co-creator & producer Greg Weisman (The Spectacular Spider-Man, Young Justice) and Keith David, the voice of Goliath, gave an in-depth discussion about the popular 1990s animated series and also answered questions from fans who attended the event.

One attendee posed a question about seeing Gargoyles featured in other projects, including certain video game properties like Disney Infinity or even Kingdom Hearts, and Weisman gave a surprising answer to the fan's question in regards to Kingdom Hearts.

"That's been discussed, and I'd love it––it's not up to me. [...] When I knew people who were involved [that] tried to push it, there was a point where I thought we were getting close on Kingdom Hearts...and then the guys I knew who were working on it got fired," Weisman remarked sadly. "I'd be very open to it, but obviously I don't even work at Disney anymore."

Although Weisman did not explain the reasons for the staff working on negotiations got fired, he did imply that they left under rather "dire circumstances". 

You can watch the panel below, or skip to the start of the question on Kingdom Hearts at 55:13:

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Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 03:28 amOffline

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BTW MY HEART IS BROKEN FOREVER.

FOREVER.

IT WOULD HAVE FIT SO WELL. IT STILL CAN.

[video=youtube;ygrEVnrg3Ic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrEVnrg3Ic[/video]

gosoxtim

March 16, 2016 @ 03:31 amOffline

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well never say never so this always a chance for tv shows becase i want gravity falls or maybe even W.i.t.c.h. to be in the series

Chuman

March 16, 2016 @ 03:32 amOffline

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at the very least, maybe he could get spectacular spiderman (ANOTHER TREASURE CANCELLED BEFORE IT'S TIME) in KH. hehe.

it wouldn't happen but i'm hopeful because of this.

Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 03:33 amOffline

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EVERYTHING GREG WORKS ON IS CURSED OR SOMETHING ;~; I love Gargoyles. I love W.I.T.C.H. (especially when they brought him on), I love Spectacular Spider-Man, I LOVE YOUNG JUSTICE SO MUCH.

GUYS GO READ GREG WEISMAN'S BOOKS TOO. THEY ARE SO FUN.

guys...I'm not okay.

gosoxtim

March 16, 2016 @ 03:35 amOffline

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Master Spockanort
EVERYTHING GREG WORKS ON IS CURSED OR SOMETHING ;~; I love Gargoyles. I love W.I.T.C.H. (especially when they brought him on), I love Spectacular Spider-Man, I LOVE YOUNG JUSTICE SO MUCH.

GUYS GO READ GREG WEISMAN'S BOOKS TOO. THEY ARE SO FUN.

guys...I'm not okay.

they are going to have to bring in tv series eventully if they cant find the right movie to be in kingdom hearts series

Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 03:53 amOffline

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gosoxtim
they are going to have to bring in tv series eventully if they cant find the right movie to be in kingdom hearts series


That is true...I just don't want to have to wait a hundred years to see it happen.

BlackOsprey

March 16, 2016 @ 04:06 amOffline

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Heheh, gosoxtim, you managed to push the forum's head honchos into a fangirling frenzy. Good job! :D

So basically, Gargoyles is not completely out of the question, but all previous attempts to push it towards Kingdom Hearts have been shot down in flames.

Not sure if that means we should be hopeful or not.

gosoxtim

March 16, 2016 @ 04:13 amOffline

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BlackOsprey
Heheh, gosoxtim, you managed to push the forum's head honchos into a fangirling frenzy. Good job! :D

So basically, Gargoyles is not completely out of the question, but all previous attempts to push it towards Kingdom Hearts have been shot down in flames.

Not sure if that means we should be hopeful or not.

well to be fair he said that time they dicssuing for gargoyles to be in kingdom hearts most of the people were fired from disney plus if nomura wanted to have it in i'm sure disney would contact greg and the people that work on it to make it work or other shows that he worked on

BlackOsprey

March 16, 2016 @ 04:16 amOffline

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gosoxtim
well to be fair he said that time they dicssuing for gargoyles to be in kingdom hearts most of the people were fired from disney

Huh, that's a good point, I guess. So I guess there is some hope after all... I honestly never imagined that it was legitimately discussed at one point.

Really, I want to see it get in just so I can watch this place explode with the joy of all the Disney Afternoon kids. 8D

Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 04:20 amOffline

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Nomura...hear the children. ; ~; 3-6 year old me is crying in front of her 10 inch TV at midnight hoping for a future filled with more Gargoyles.

robvandam111

March 16, 2016 @ 04:31 amOffline

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I used to have a Gargoyle coloring book back in my day. I was around 6-8 years old from that time.

Taochan

March 16, 2016 @ 05:03 amOffline

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Uuuuugh it needs to happen. I recently rewatched the series (not including the Goliath Chronicles because blegh) and it's still so good. ;__;

I WOULD CRY TRUE TEARS OF JOY

Zettaflare

March 16, 2016 @ 05:09 amOffline

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I'd love a gargoyles world, but I can't see it happening in KH3. We already have a world with a big modern city unless the developers want to do a second world with a similar setting

Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 05:19 amOffline

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Swoosh
I'd love a gargoyles world, but I can't see it happening in KH3. We already have a world with a big modern city unless the developers want to do a second world with a similar setting


I imagine they probably have loose limit for world "type" considering how BBS had 3 princess-type worlds for the sake of the story.

If it can fit the narrative of the game, I'm pretty certain they are open to multiples of a "type" but aim to not do it considering they've avoided that in every game except BBS.

The city-themed worlds would would be different, though. Manhattan as it is depicted in Gargoyles is a rather grimy city and almost always shown at night. San Fransokyo is a pretty bright city full of modern tech and is very clean.

Then TWTNW...I think that would be more of the bigger problem than San Fransokyo. If we couldn't get a Gargoyles world, I'd want to see Goliath and the Manhattan Clan appear in TWTNW as cameos more than anything else.

gosoxtim

March 16, 2016 @ 05:21 amOffline

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Swoosh
I'd love a gargoyles world, but I can't see it happening in KH3. We already have a world with a big modern city unless the developers want to do a second world with a similar setting

we know that but there is a chance to have disney tv show in kingdom hearts series like gravity falls , w.i.t.c.h., or gargoyles

Ixbran

March 16, 2016 @ 05:21 amOffline

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*incoherent sobbing*

Can you imagine, a world set in the Gargoyles version of new york? it would be epic having Goliath or Elisa as the worlds party member. Also a world based on new york would be the perfect place for a marvel character cameo. A secret boss fight against Thor, Spider Man, or Iron Man would be all kinds of epic!

Dentim

March 16, 2016 @ 06:08 amOffline

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I loved Gargoylesas a kid :'( Can't we spam Nomura's inbox or something?

MATGSY

March 16, 2016 @ 08:37 amOffline

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Poor bastard redheaded stepchild of a tv series.

-Contested final season.
-Never released the entire series on DVD.
-Disney files a Gargoyles movie trademark for a film that doesn't actually have anything to do with the series. Implying that they either are so utterly oblivious to it's existence that the film's title is complete coincidence, or that they care so little they are willing to repurpose the name for a new hotness.
-So far no references to Gargoyles in Disney Infinity while Darkwing & other shows get some nods.
-& attempts to get into KH were undermined by apparent firings of involved staff.

Alpha Sonix

March 16, 2016 @ 10:25 amOffline

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I've never really thought a Gargoyles world would fit in Kingdom Hearts. I can see the characters appearing in other worlds, like maybe moving them to Radiant Garden or somewhere else, but not so sure about a grim New York City appearing. All I'll say is that if they do decide to bring them in, it better have David Xanatos. I would honestly have preferred him having taken over Maleficent's role in KH2. Watching a power struggle between Xehanort and Xanatos in KH3...

Alpha Baymax

March 16, 2016 @ 10:44 amOffline

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Rationally thinking about this, I think the reason as to why Gargoyles didn't make it into Kingdom Hearts is because it was a TV series. Had it gotten a DisneyToon feature film then it would have been able to make it into the game.

Oracle Spockanort

March 16, 2016 @ 02:10 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax
Rationally thinking about this, I think the reason as to why Gargoyles didn't make it into Kingdom Hearts is because it was a TV series. Had it gotten a DisneyToon feature film then it would have been able to make it into the game.


I don't really think that is the reason at all. There has never been one thing to say that TV shows can't be in KH. Only the lack of them has created that impression, but it is clear that they prioritize films to anything else because the films are where Disney gets most of its recognition and money.

You are also ignoring the fact that the staff who almost got things squared away got fired. I'm more ready to believe that this has more to do with certain inner company politics when it comes to Disney Channel's execs and other execs from higher places at Disney. There has always been a major disconnect between Disney as a whole and how Disney Channel operates and handles the series they hold power over. Disney Channel's policies have been, even up until 2013 and maybe even now, rather old and outdated.

This also requires knowing when these negotiations happened to know what kind of Disney these talks happened under.

My business teacher a few years back was VP of Marketing at Disney Channel until the mid 2000s when she left, primarily because of a stroke but more because things there were not on the level and there was a lot of dick measuring happening. She didn't say it like that but she implied it when she'd mention a "certain company" as her primary example for poor company ethics and synergy...among other things.

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LightAndOblivion

March 16, 2016 @ 07:05 pmOffline

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This is heartbreaking to hear. I absolutely loved Gargoyles when I was a kid. This is unacceptable

BufferAqua

March 16, 2016 @ 08:41 pmOffline

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Aw... Dammit! Hope and dreams crushed... For now. But yeah, I'm just hoping things would get worked out again.

LightUpTheSky452

March 16, 2016 @ 09:41 pmOffline

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This makes me so happy:D And here's hoping it will actually happen in the future (-cough- and also W.I.T.C.H -cough-).

If nothing else, at least this is a good hint that Square Enix has considered the possibility of Disney cartoons in the past, and might still in the future.

And that maybe they're listening to [strike]KHInsider[/strike] fans about world selection. LOL.

FudgemintGuardian

March 16, 2016 @ 09:56 pmOffline

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Please, please, pleeeaase Square Enix. Put Gargoyles in Kingdom Hearts III.

Anagram

March 17, 2016 @ 01:09 amOffline

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Why must you torture me like this Ethy?

Oracle Spockanort

March 17, 2016 @ 01:29 amOffline

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Anagram
Why must you torture me like this Ethy?


I am sorry ; ~;

Lanydx reborn

March 17, 2016 @ 01:37 amOffline

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Oh...Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes! LET THEM LIVE AGAIN!!!

Launchpad

March 17, 2016 @ 03:16 amOffline

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They were already in Kingdom Hearts 3D? George Costanza Gargoyle was there. I don't see why you would want any other type of gargoyle. Some people are just conditionally unhappy I guess. They just keep happiness on the distant horizon. Well guess what? You can't reach it.

Chuman

March 17, 2016 @ 03:22 amOffline

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Launchpad
They were already in Kingdom Hearts 3D? George Costanza Gargoyle was there. I don't see why you would want any other type of gargoyle. Some people are just conditionally unhappy I guess. They just keep happiness on the distant horizon. Well guess what? You can't reach it.


where do you live. i'm coming to fight you lanch.

Taochan

March 17, 2016 @ 03:27 amOffline

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Launchpad
They were already in Kingdom Hearts 3D? George Costanza Gargoyle was there. I don't see why you would want any other type of gargoyle. Some people are just conditionally unhappy I guess. They just keep happiness on the distant horizon. Well guess what? You can't reach it.




It's time to throw down, my friend.

Launchpad

March 17, 2016 @ 03:43 amOffline

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Squood!

March 17, 2016 @ 03:58 amOffline

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Launchpad
It's time to rumble, son.

Chuman

March 17, 2016 @ 04:20 amOffline

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#BeatLaunchpadsAssForGargoyles2k16

Oracle Spockanort

March 17, 2016 @ 04:39 amOffline

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Launchpad


Nazo

March 17, 2016 @ 04:55 amOffline

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DUDE this would have been so good! I love Gargoyles, I remember watching it as a kid. Hopefully Square keeps this in mind for future titles. Doubt it'll be in KH3, but I am all for some Gargoyles content in a KH game.

gosoxtim

March 17, 2016 @ 04:45 pmOffline

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hey guys if ever gargoyles, w.i.t.c.h. and gravity falls get annouuced here how the trailer work you would have video of world but then you would goliath voice talk about the ancient keyblade war to sora with a big shot of new york city then for w.i.t.c.h it would jump to the oracle talking to sora about the upcoming keybalde war at merdian finally it would end with gravity falls with sora landing in gravity falls as mabel and dipper back at gravity falls with stan and stanford back from there trip

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ultima-demi

March 17, 2016 @ 09:08 pmOffline

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Give me some star v.s the forces of evil instead.

Chuman

March 17, 2016 @ 09:43 pmOffline

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ultima-demi
Give me some star v.s the forces of evil instead.


?????????????????????????

Oracle Spockanort

March 17, 2016 @ 09:52 pmOffline

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chuman
?????????????????????????


The best show on Disney right now since Gravity Falls is gone

[video=youtube;kDoWhMt2_gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDoWhMt2_gs[/video]

gosoxtim

March 17, 2016 @ 10:14 pmOffline

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i could see star vs the force of evil make it in as well

Chuman

March 17, 2016 @ 10:50 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
The best show on Disney right now since Gravity Falls is gone

[video=youtube;kDoWhMt2_gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDoWhMt2_gs[/video]


looks like adventure time with a better budget tbh lol

LightUpTheSky452

March 17, 2016 @ 11:57 pmOffline

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I feel like shades of "Dave the Barbarian" could also work. Maybe not as a world, but cameos or summons, maybe.

Especially Uncle Oswidge. We already have Merlin and Yen Sid, so he'd fit right in there. LOL.

Lanydx reborn

March 18, 2016 @ 12:18 amOffline

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I would love to see Dave the Barbarian as a comedy, breather world. Also I know darn well that Sora and Star would become fast friends.

Launchpad

March 18, 2016 @ 03:08 amOffline

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Master Spockanort
The best show on Disney right now since Gravity Falls is gone

[video=youtube;kDoWhMt2_gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDoWhMt2_gs[/video]


that's not wander over yonder

Oracle Spockanort

March 18, 2016 @ 03:37 amOffline

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Launchpad
that's not wander over yonder


I tried and tried but for some reason that show does not click with me. ;c

Chuman

March 18, 2016 @ 05:13 amOffline

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i watched the pilot episode of WOY where the skulldick was trying to gain infinite power and wander annoyed the living shit out of him.

it was honestly a grating experience that i would not recommend to anybody.

Oracle Spockanort

March 18, 2016 @ 06:50 amOffline

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chuman
i watched the pilot episode of WOY where the skulldick was trying to gain infinite power and wander annoyed the living shit out of him.

it was honestly a grating experience that i would not recommend to anybody.


The show is much better than the pilot episode. I think it just rubs me the wrong way because it reminds me of the weirder 90s cartoons I really can't stand despite loving them as a kid.

This show delivers that kind of off-beat storytelling in a much more palatable manner, but it still hits too close to that humor that I can't swallow like I used to.

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gibbs615

March 18, 2016 @ 09:37 amOffline

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Yeah this WOULD be a good idea for KH! I was hoping they would've done that during KH2 but now if its in discussion for KH3 then I DO hope it happens!!! And I'm also still hoping for Sofia the first too!

Alpha Baymax

March 18, 2016 @ 10:07 amOffline

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Master Spockanort
I don't really think that is the reason at all. There has never been one thing to say that TV shows can't be in KH. Only the lack of them has created that impression, but it is clear that they prioritize films to anything else because the films are where Disney gets most of its recognition and money.

You are also ignoring the fact that the staff who almost got things squared away got fired. I'm more ready to believe that this has more to do with certain inner company politics when it comes to Disney Channel's execs and other execs from higher places at Disney. There has always been a major disconnect between Disney as a whole and how Disney Channel operates and handles the series they hold power over. Disney Channel's policies have been, even up until 2013 and maybe even now, rather old and outdated.

This also requires knowing when these negotiations happened to know what kind of Disney these talks happened under.

My business teacher a few years back was VP of Marketing at Disney Channel until the mid 2000s when she left, primarily because of a stroke but more because things there were not on the level and there was a lot of dick measuring happening. She didn't say it like that but she implied it when she'd mention a "certain company" as her primary example for poor company ethics and synergy...among other things.


You do raise a valuable point. The 2000's was a time in which Michael Eisner governed the Walt Disney Company and did a terrible job of managing all of the different division's because of his adamancy to cut costs and have things his way. I still stand by my point only because of the fact there's never been a TV show world in the Kingdom Hearts series to date.

Launchpad

March 19, 2016 @ 02:01 amOffline

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Master Spockanort
The show is much better than the pilot episode. I think it just rubs me the wrong way because it reminds me of the weirder 90s cartoons I really can't stand despite loving them as a kid.

This show delivers that kind of off-beat storytelling in a much more palatable manner, but it still hits too close to that humor that I can't swallow like I used to.



Season 2 is much easier to get into. All the characters are fleshed out and are quite consistent. Wander is the eternal helpful optimist, Sylvia is the no-nonsense partner that keeps Wander grounded, Lord Hater is the angriest guy in the world, who thinks he wants to dominate the galaxy, but actually just needs to be loved and let go of hate, and Commander Peepers tries to serve under him and keep him focused on domination.

The show is very clever and doesn't tend to stick to any set location or supporting cast. They commit to gags without overusing them, and the voice cast are so clearly committed to their characters that they sell these great jokes.

It's another one of those 'wouldn't it be cool if they were in KH3?' type shows, where the characters and content are really great, but the art would never work with KH. Craig McCracken is a genius when it comes to 2D animation, which is why Wander is the best looking show on Disney right now, but it would never look good in 3D, same with Gravity Falls. If they were to ever use them, it would be neat to see them in like, the mobile game something.

Lost Master

March 24, 2016 @ 07:36 amOffline

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And this is how it should happen for the proper last kingdom hearts III trailer, we get a glimpses of some battles, cut scenes, nothing too long, just enough to show some action and art. Then some flashes of the worlds, old and new (but not all of them, let's save that for the game). Then the screen goes black and then we get an image of an unknown castle followed you hear "...Now here in Manhattan the spell is broken and we LIVE AGAIN!" in Keith David's voice, with the gargoyle music playing and a brief shot of a stone Goliath awakening. That is how the final trailer and introduction of gargoyles should happen a surprise stinger for the fans of kingdom hearts and gargoyles that would blow everyone away.

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