Which character do you not want to saved?

[laddyboy12]

Yeah, except it didn't. After Axel (or any Organization member for that matter) faded, no Heartless appeared afterwards. I think, based on what we've seen so far, it's safe to assume that if a Heartless doesn't appear around the area shortly after a person lost their heart, a Heartless wasn't created at all.

Weeell, there's Isa, if that counts at all. It is kinda funny to think that Lea's sort of befriended the same person at least three times now.

All I'm saying is that Axel had a body and then he grew a heart. Once he was destroyed that heart had to be released and that's how heartless/nobodies are formed. However, because Axel's body wasn't his own it would not create another nobody. That body would just be returned to Lea, but what about the heartless?

 

[BlackOsprey]

All I'm saying is that Axel had a body and then he grew a heart. Once he was destroyed that heart had to be released and that's how heartless/nobodies are formed. However, because Axel's body wasn't his own it would not create another nobody. That body would just be returned to Lea, but what about the heartless?

Well, what I was saying was that we've got no solid, in-game reason to believe that Axel, or any of the Nobodies, created Heartless themselves when they faded.

It kinda looks to me like in order to create a Heartless, the heart needs to get torn out of the body in some way related to darkness. Straight-up dying won't do the trick. I guess fading after your bodily form sustained way too much damage from a Keyblade doesn't cut it for making a Heartless.

Then again, it's very possible that hearts work differently for Nobodies. Every time we've seen a regular person sustain enough damage that they turn into a Heartless, we've always seen them release a heart from their body before disappearing. A Nobody's "burgeoning replacement" could've just stayed within the body, faded with it, and mashed with the original heart once it rejoined with the body.

 

[laddyboy12]

Well, what I was saying was that we've got no solid, in-game reason to believe that Axel, or any of the Nobodies, created Heartless themselves when they faded.

It kinda looks to me like in order to create a Heartless, the heart needs to get torn out of the body in some way related to darkness. Straight-up dying won't do the trick. I guess fading after your bodily form sustained way too much damage from a Keyblade doesn't cut it for making a Heartless.

We don't have any in game evidence that they didn't create heartless either, but we do have definitions of how heartless are created which the Nobodies death's followed.

Let's suppose though that your right and they didn't create heartless because their heart's weren't torn out correctly? Then where the heck did Axel's heart go?

 

[Dandelion]

We kind of do have evidence.

ven's fractured sleeping heart stayed with Sora's body when Sora's body collapsed. That proves that a heart can stay with the body upon the body's distruction if the heart isn't fully formed or active. Axel's heart was a supplemental fledgling replacement spurred on by his interactions with Sora and Roxas. He thought of himself as the same person throughout and upon his revival was still having memories and visions of Roxas spurred on by his time as Axel. The evidence is pointing that there's not much of a distinction between Axel and Lea other than time. Why you'd want to over complicate the already convoluted series is beyond me

 

[laddyboy12]

We kind of do have evidence.

ven's fractured sleeping heart stayed with Sora's body when Sora's body collapsed. That proves that a heart can stay with the body upon the body's distruction if the heart isn't fully formed or active. Axel's heart was a supplemental fledgling replacement spurred on by his interactions with Sora and Roxas. He thought of himself as the same person throughout and upon his revival was still having memories and visions of Roxas spurred on by his time as Axel. The evidence is pointing that there's not much of a distinction between Axel and Lea other than time. Why you'd want to over complicate the already convoluted series is beyond me

If we go with what you're saying then upon Axel's destruction Axel's heart stayed with Lea's body when Lea's body reunited with Lea's heart so Axel's heart is now inside of Lea?

I don't want to over complicate things, just wondering where Axel's heart went.

 

[Divine Past]

If we go with what you're saying then upon Axel's destruction Axel's heart stayed with Lea's body when Lea's body reunited with Lea's heart so Axel's heart is now inside of Lea?

I don't want to over complicate things, just wondering where Axel's heart went.

It's more like Axel's heart merge with Lea's hence why Lea's has Axel memories.

 

[Dandelion]

Basically.

We didn't see the heart leave the body, in the KH world that's almost 100% confirmation that there's no heartless.

Also, think of it as this way. Axel and his heartless are two halves of the whole. Axel's memories of his time as Lea mixed with Sora and Roxas's influence caused him to have a burgeoning, blossoming semblance of a heart. Axel, as he is, isn't a real being. Everything he has is just short of the whole, since the rest of "Lea" had become the Heartless.

Axel, as far as we know, wasn't growing an independent existence outside of "Lea" but rather returning to the complete person he was, thanks to Sora and Roxas. So everything that was Axel went back to the completed Lea. That would include, his eyes, face, whatever. They all reformed and returned to the whole. The only distinction between Lea and Axel at this point are the tattoos and the Keyblade. Everything went back to a sort of factory reset. When a Nobody with a fledgling heart is destroyed, it should still mean all those pieces return to the whole in the recompletion process.

The whole "nobodies grow hearts" thing is meant to convey personhood for the people and things that asserted their own identity. Which is something that never happened to Axel, so let's stop this "splintered selves beget more splintered selves" chain. There'd literally be no end to it if it were possible for a Nobody with a budding heart to create a Heartless.

 

[laddyboy12]

Basically.

We didn't see the heart leave the body, in the KH world that's almost 100% confirmation that there's no heartless.

Also, think of it as this way. Axel and his heartless are two halves of the whole. Axel's memories of his time as Lea mixed with Sora and Roxas's influence caused him to have a burgeoning, blossoming semblance of a heart. Axel, as he is, isn't a real being. Everything he has is just short of the whole, since the rest of "Lea" had become the Heartless.

Axel, as far as we know, wasn't growing an independent existence outside of "Lea" but rather returning to the complete person he was, thanks to Sora and Roxas. So everything that was Axel went back to the completed Lea. That would include, his eyes, face, whatever. They all reformed and returned to the whole. The only distinction between Lea and Axel at this point are the tattoos and the Keyblade. Everything went back to a sort of factory reset. When a Nobody with a fledgling heart is destroyed, it should still mean all those pieces return to the whole in the recompletion process.

The whole "nobodies grow hearts" thing is meant to convey personhood for the people and things that asserted their own identity. Which is something that never happened to Axel, so let's stop this "splintered selves beget more splintered selves" chain. There'd literally be no end to it if it were possible for a Nobody with a budding heart to create a Heartless.

Ohhh I think I got it now, thanks for the explanation.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

The whole "nobodies grow hearts" thing is meant to convey personhood for the people and things that asserted their own identity. Which is something that never happened to Axel, so let's stop this "splintered selves beget more splintered selves" chain. There'd literally be no end to it if it were possible for a Nobody with a budding heart to create a Heartless.

Adding to that, which has also to be kept in mind is that a Heartless is only created if a heart that is lost is either captured by or succumbs to its own Darkness.
Losing your heart does not always equal creating a Heartless. If a heart is lost/leaves the body but not succumbing/captured by Darkness, there's also no Heartless as is seen with Riku in KH 1, his heart was outright ejected from his body, but there was no Heartless formed at all.

 

[Vanitas666]

- I don't want Roxas to return unless they write some really funny dialogue in future games when Roxas and Ventus are in the same scenes.
- I don't want Xion to return because I'm not a huge fan but part of me really want her to return to redeem the pointlessness of days.
- I don't want Terra to be saved because I need someone to permanently die without coming back and I think Terra would be a good candidate to sacrifice himself to defeat Xehanort.

 

[Anagram]

Adding to that, which has also to be kept in mind is that a Heartless is only created if a heart that is lost is either captured by or succumbs to its own Darkness.
Losing your heart does not always equal creating a Heartless. If a heart is lost/leaves the body but not succumbing/captured by Darkness, there's also no Heartless as is seen with Riku in KH 1, his heart was outright ejected from his body, but there was no Heartless formed at all.

If ya wanted to add more you also have Old Xehanort who extracted his heart and placed it in Terra. He may have used Terra's darkness to control him but Xehanort himself never succumb to it during the possession.

The PoH also lost their hearts several times but they lack darkness so they're moot I guess.

 

[Relix]

They should all be saved in way, shape or form. As some have already stated, they do not have to come back completely as their own person but as long as they are remembered and found some sort of peace, that would be okay. I'll be honest I do not know how I feel about Xion coming back as her own complete person seeing her origin's and purpose. But I think it would be a real testament to what a lot of the games have been dropping that a heart is not easily understood and even someone like Xion who's been called a puppet or an object can be more of a person than most people. If she is given her own life to live and truly lives it then I will not object. If she is however simply remembered, that in itself is a powerful moment in itself because she was truly erased from existence. Either scenario has a powerful outcome and I imagine one is probably favorable than others (especially for Xion fans). But I'd be happy with either.

 

[Anagram]

I see everyone getting a happy ending this time around tbh. Every ending has been somewhat bittersweet. Unless Nomura decides to troll this'll probably be that "omg every has happy ending" ending.

 

[shady543]

tbh I want almost all of them to be saved. The only character that I don't really care if they're saved or not is Terra. But the rest I want saving, especially Roxas and Namine.

 

[Castaras]

I don’t think i would want Namine to be saved. I would love to see Ven, Terra and the others again. Please Roxas and Ventus meet.

 

[Face My Fears]

I'm a huge fan of Roxas and Xion. I want them to appear (in Sora's heart/mind), but I do not want them to be awarded brand new bodies and new lives. I feel like their stories are complete and that anything else will weaken what's already been done with them.

 

[Echoecho6]

Unfortunately I really don't think Isa will be saved. Although, Isa is probably one of the main reasons Lea wants a keyblade so I guess there is a good chance?

 

[Lanydx reborn]

I'd want everyone to be saved expect Xehanort. Everyone has been screwed over by him, so they should all get another chance at happiness.

 

[LightAndOblivion]

I'd like those who didn't pop out of Sora or Kairi's asses to stay where they are. In the void of no return. That means by default, Terra, Aqua and Ventus are the only ones who should be saved and have any business coming back.

I'd want everyone to be saved expect Xehanort. Everyone has been screwed over by him, so they should all get another chance at happiness.

So have an incredibly cliche ending huh. Makes me vomit just thinking about it :/

 

[Smithee]

No one (except MX, of course), because I'm tired of all these Bittersweet Endings and Downer Endings, especially after DDD.