Which character do you not want to saved?

[KeyToDestiny]

I'm cool with everyone but Xion getting a chance to come back even though it's obvs they're all coming back. Other than that, I don't really care too much about it.

 

[Chuman]

why wouldn't you want xion to come back? its obvious she'll be saved anyway, but what reason shouldn't she be?

 

[one sky]

Honestly Xion; her death was the worst and it would be meaningless to bring her back.

 

[YoungXehanort]

namine xion and terra i hate that he won't journey with them cause he'll be terranort until the end cause his one of the 13th

 

[Chuman]

Honestly Xion; her death was the worst and it would be meaningless to bring her back.

the entire point of 358/2 was that she existed and needed to be saved.

they can defeat xehanort, and bring her closure without reviving her. just show a glimpse of xion smiling in civilian clothes eating SSIC on the clocktower with axel and roxas. only issue is axel was brought back from the dead but he can fade away and they can party it up in the afterlife.

 

[Empress Mitsuru]

the entire point of 358/2 was that she existed and needed to be saved.

they can defeat xehanort, and bring her closure without reviving her. just show a glimpse of xion smiling in civilian clothes eating SSIC on the clocktower with axel and roxas. only issue is axel was brought back from the dead but he can fade away and they can party it up in the afterlife.

I don't see how that would work, he's already been revived as Lea.

 

[Chuman]

I don't see how that would work, he's already been revived as Lea.

so sora and lea can go to twilight town and hang out, lol. the gang'll be reunited.

 

[laddyboy12]

I don't see how that would work, he's already been revived as Lea.

But if nobodies do grow hearts than what happened to Axel's heart? Is Axel's heart hanging out inside of Lea's body? If so, technically Axel could be revived. If it's not then did Axel's death cause another nobody to be created? Axel's nobody. A nobody within a nobody, nobodception

 

[hlc1988]

But if nobodies do grow hearts than what happened to Axel's heart? Is Axel's heart hanging out inside of Lea's body? If so, technically Axel could be revived. If it's not then did Axel's death cause another nobody to be created? Axel's nobody. A nobody within a nobody, nobodception

They're the same person. Axel was recompleted after his Heartless and Nobody were defeated. I would assume the heart he has is the original one he got when he was born...

 

[Chuman]

They're the same person. Axel was recompleted after his Heartless and Nobody were defeated. I would assume the heart he has is the original one he got when he was born...

he means how axel grew a heart, which was confirmed by the emotions he shown after his relationship with roxas/xion/sora (ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE THE SAME PERSONNNNN)

i assumed axel's heart merged with his lea heart, which is probably the easiest solution thanks to the sora situation.

 

[Venx]

he means how axel grew a heart, which was confirmed by the emotions he shown after his relationship with roxas/xion/sora (ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE THE SAME PERSONNNNN)

Never noticed that he has literally 1 friend. Wow chu, you just blew my mind.

 

[laddyboy12]

he means how axel grew a heart, which was confirmed by the emotions he shown after his relationship with roxas/xion/sora (ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE THE SAME PERSONNNNN)

i assumed axel's heart merged with his lea heart, which is probably the easiest solution thanks to the sora situation.

But wouldn't it be so much more fun not to assume that Axel's heart merged with Lea's? You could potentially start a chain of nobodies/heartless from one person.

 

[BlackOsprey]

But wouldn't it be so much more fun not to assume that Axel's heart merged with Lea's? You could potentially start a chain of nobodies/heartless from one person.

Yeah, except it didn't. After Axel (or any Organization member for that matter) faded, no Heartless appeared afterwards. I think, based on what we've seen so far, it's safe to assume that if a Heartless doesn't appear around the area shortly after a person lost their heart, a Heartless wasn't created at all.

Never noticed that he has literally 1 friend. Wow chu, you just blew my mind.

Weeell, there's Isa, if that counts at all. It is kinda funny to think that Lea's sort of befriended the same person at least three times now.

 

[Anagram]

I think it's safe to say even Nomura has the sense not to make it so heartless can form from nobodies. That'd just be a bigger mess.

 

[Face My Fears]

I thought the hearts that the Nobodies grew weren't real hearts, just their body trying to replicate the missing heart? So even though they do get emotions/feelings, it's not a "real heart"?

 

[Anagram]

I thought the hearts that the Nobodies grew weren't real hearts, just their body trying to replicate the missing heart? So even though they do get emotions/feelings, it's not a "real heart"?

Nope. As far as we know anything can grow a heart as of the explanations of Xemnas and Diz in DDD. However due to the breakdown nature of the nobody they dont seem capable of making heartless. Since everything they are tends to go back to the original self.

I.E instead of breaking down like when nobodies and heartless are formed they're doing the inverse and assembling.

 

[Face My Fears]

Nope. As far as we know anything can grow a heart as of the explanations of Xemnas and Diz in DDD. However due to the breakdown nature of the nobody they dont seem capable of making heartless. Since everything they are tends to go back to the original self.

I.E instead of breaking down like when nobodies and heartless are formed they're doing the inverse and assembling.

Hmm. That makes me a little bit uneasy. I was always under the impression that the hearts that Nobodies grew were just "replacements" until the Nobody became reunited with their Somebody. So the heart the Nobody had was simply an imperfect one of the original, so when they'd reform it wasn't like a totally different person fused with their original self. I also thought that the heart was meant to keep the emotions the person felt in their memory when they fused. Sigh.

 

[Anagram]

Hmm. That makes me a little bit uneasy. I was always under the impression that the hearts that Nobodies grew were just "replacements" until the Nobody became reunited with their Somebody. So the heart the Nobody had was simply an imperfect one of the original, so when they'd reform it wasn't like a totally different person fused with their original self. I also thought that the heart was meant to keep the emotions the person felt in their memory when they fused. Sigh.

They're definitely worded as replacement but nothing in the narrative insinuates or hints to them being lesser hearts. Merely just not fully developed thus why Xemnas uses the term "burgeoning replacement". Meaning hearts that have formed but not fully developed yet.

The thing about different persons merging is muddled ground sadly. Most of the Org thought of themselves as their human selves. They saw no difference and since nobodies typically keep memories I assume its the same for all of them. Meaning who they are as the nobody is the same as the person so when they reform it's not two people but just all the parts coming whole.
Example being Axel who bluntly states he's more or less "the same guy" in Days.

The issued parts are when you get to nobodies with unique birth. Xemnas had two confirmed sets of memories and three hearts in his human self when he was formed, Roxas had no memories yet kept Ven's heart inside. Xemnas however never strayed far from Xehanort's influence while Roxas completely developed into a person of his own despite his body being Soras and his appearance being Ven's due to Ven's influence.
Sora and Roxas consider themselves individual and as a result you never see Sora gain Roxas' memories till he's forcibly shown in DDD by Roxas himself.

Those being unique and special cases though means it's not a common occurrence enough to worry I think.

 

[Divine Past]

My uneducated guess is that if Sora had the typically route to nobodiness then Roxas would have just been Sora 2.0 eventually gaining his memories and identity. Same goes for Namine....maybe.

So to sum up my logic, if you can't access the memories of the somebody then you never gain their identity and you become your own person even if the body isn't yours.

 

[BlackOsprey]

My uneducated guess is that if Sora had the typically route to nobodiness then Roxas would have just been Sora 2.0 eventually gaining his memories and identity. Same goes for Namine....maybe.

Heh, if this had all gone the "normal way" with Namine, she wouldn't exist, period. Normal circumstances wouldn't allow a Princess of Heart to have a Heartless, let alone a Nobody.

So to sum up my logic, if you can't access the memories of the somebody then you never gain their identity and you become your own person even if the body isn't yours.

I always found Roxas' development of an individuality complex a sort of interesting testament to how important life experience is for identity. Just who you are is defined entirely by past events and how you remember 'em. Nobody or not, lose access to your past, and you might as well be a whole new person, especially if you have no contact to the people you knew from your old life.

So yeah, with the exceptions of Xemnas and Roxas, the Organization was pretty much the same bunch of people because they all had a past to define their actions, motives, and quirks. Seems to me that Xehanort just had so much power that his influence just stuck around like an evil subliminal message in all his axe-crazy offshoots. Roxas... well, he's basically what you get when you stick the life experience of a very young child into the body and mindset of a teen.