Nomura shares first details of Kingdom Hearts III DLC
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- Published on April 27, 2019 @ 06:45 am
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Series Director Tetsuya Nomura made an appearance at the KINGDOM HEARTS Orchestra -World of Tres- performance in Tokyo today, and shared some new information about upcoming KINGDOM HEARTS 3 DLC!
The tentative title is "KINGDOM HEARTS III ReMIND".
Paid DLC includes:
- Additional scenario "ReMIND"
- Limit Cut Episode & bosses (comparable to previous Final Mixes where new scenes and battles were added in existing locations)
- Secret Episode & boss
- English voiceover option (for Japanese version)
Free DLC:
- New Keyblade + new form
The release date and price have yet to be decided.
Nomura has also confirmed more information will be released "when it rains more" and "when the hydrangeas bloom". In Japan, both the rainy season and hydrangea blooming period begin in June, which coincide with the KH Orchestra concert in Los Angeles on June 8th and E3 2019 in the days following.
As a result of Square Enix's recent internal restructuring, Shinji Hashimoto will be moving on from his role as Executive Producer of the KH series in order to lead the company's Media & Arts Business Division. Ichiro Hazama, Business Manager on a number of past KH titles, will be stepping in as his replacement.
Source: aibo_ac7, aitaikimochi
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Here’s another source confirming the details.
According to someone who translated this source, the Limit Episode is somewhat like what the Cavern of Remembrance was and it will feature various bosses.
Sounds kina lame tbh.. at least from first look.
where is my dlc secret boss lingering will tier ?
I'm guessing the secret episode boss is related to the "Yozora" secret ending. Might be the MoM for all we know.
I'm hoping the new keyblade is the Wreck it Ralph one from Union
This is really nice but I hope we'll also get new areas to explore.
Also the new form might be just master form from kh2
So original worlds will remain nonexistent and the paid DLC has no new Keyblades? Unless Xion is playable, it's a skip.
Various attendees have reported that Nomura confirmed more information will be released during the rainy season in Japan, which is June. So, expect some news at the LA Orchestra/E3 2019 :)
Various attendees have reported that Nomura confirmed more information will be released during the rainy season in Japan, which is June. So, expect some news at the LA Orchestra/E3 2019 :)
Yeah I figured this wasn't all of it. He did promise to explain Xion's return in DLC so we should expect more story related content
The reaction to this should be joyous and celebratory, instead the insults/hate/negativity flows. People need to stop thinking that KH3 needs to be "fixed". They're just setting themselves up for disappointment by building it up in their minds that the DLC is going to "fix" what was "broken" in KH3. It's extra stuff for us to enjoy.
I know this is probably a stretch, but with one of the episodes being called Limit...
What if the DLC keyblade gives you kh2 Limit Form (so a kh1 sora recolor)? And then the actual Limit episode relating to something in the kh1 era of the series?
Man, as much as KH3 bent me out of shape a little bit, just discussing this little bit of DLC has reminded me of why I love this series. The speculation is so fun, I know I will enjoy whatever the DLC ends up being. It wasnt until after about a week of beating the game that I realized I felt mostly negative about the game...but it was a joy to play.
New info thanks to Kingdom Hearts 3 Saishin Jouhou
The executive producer of Kingdom Hearts since now will be Hazama instead of Shinji Hashimoto.
They are doing that the new Secret Boss will be strong enough to make you cry.
https://twitter.com/differem7/status/1122034269390393345
I want a 20 minute fan theory video speculating the significance of why the e in ReMIND is lowercase.
New secret boss
YES
The reaction to this should be joyous and celebratory, instead the insults/hate/negativity flows. People need to stop thinking that KH3 needs to be "fixed". They're just setting themselves up for disappointment by building it up in their minds that the DLC is going to "fix" what was "broken" in KH3. It's extra stuff for us to enjoy.
While I agree that the constant whiny approach is exhausting, I don't really agree with the rest of your comment. KH3 is definitely not "broken" but there are some bad things about it (or better, some not-so-good- things) that could be easily improved, so I don't think people shouldn't have expectations. Think of KH2FM: they added Dodge Roll and Cavern of Remembrance because many people were complaining about the lack of DR and platforming. Having expectations is fine, as long as they're not over-expectations. We can't really tell people what they should or shouldn't expect though, so if they're setting up themselves for disappointment, that's on them.
Unless Xion is playable, it's a skip.
I feel this is an entirely reasonable bar to set and I share in this demand (not that there's anything in this world or the next that could move me to pay for more KH3).
The reaction to this should be joyous and celebratory, instead the insults/hate/negativity flows. People need to stop thinking that KH3 needs to be "fixed". They're just setting themselves up for disappointment by building it up in their minds that the DLC is going to "fix" what was "broken" in KH3. It's extra stuff for us to enjoy.
You were just in another thread lecturing people about how they ought to direct their criticism of this game towards DLC development in order to address any lingering questions or concerns or desires they have about it.
I agree with you that people shouldn't be expecting DLC to "fix" KH3, but only to the extent that KH3 is so broken it realistically can't be fixed. There's nothing Nomura can do now but bandage the worst fractures and move on. Also, nobody called you in to police their impressions of information and product related to this game, but thanks for stopping by all the same.
New info thanks to Kingdom Hearts 3 Saishin Jouhou
The executive producer of Kingdom Hearts since now will be Hazama instead of Shinji Hashimoto.
They are doing that the new Secret Boss will be strong enough to make you cry.
https://twitter.com/differem7/status/1122034269390393345
Definitely sounds like the MoM. Either him or another Disney boss like Julius
aibo's tweet says that Limit Episode has multiple bosses, but take with a grain of salt for now. Doesn't seem like anyone's repeating that specifically atm.
I want a 20 minute fan theory video speculating the significance of why the e in ReMIND is lowercase.
All KH titles with Re have an lowercase e.
Re: Chain of Memories
Re: coded
ReMIX
All KH titles with Re have an lowercase e.
Re: Chain of Memories
Re: coded
ReMIX
So the new scenario will be remake like those games? Also ReMIX was TWEWY.
So the new scenario will be remake like those games?
Well, all I'm saying is that the lowercase e bears no significance.
| Also ReMIX was TWEWY. |
TWEWY Solo and Live Remix used the normal spelling, but ReMIX appeared first in the KH remasters.
While I agree that the constant whiny approach is exhausting
*sound of straw breaking camel's back*
You know, while the regulars here who have a negative take on the game are variously colorful, assertive and unrelenting in the ways we dispense shade on this installment, you'll notice it isn't really our prerogative to go about informing other people about how they should feel about the game as if they aren't entitled to feel otherwise, and by and large we make it a point to stick to what we dislike/detest about the game itself, and not about the people who play it and may have responded differently than us. Meanwhile, there's hardly a thread that goes by where someone doesn't pin a target on anyone (and often specific individuals) who defers from the hivemind, often preempting any actual discussion or debate towards a dissenting opinion, as if we're somehow encroaching on their sacred ground. It's model gatekeeping of exactly the sort [USER=96554]@Rydgea[/USER] was confronting in another thread, and it needs to be said: there is a pervasive attitude problem on this forum, and it's emanating from one side of the aisle. If you or anyone else feels exhausted by the idea that other people will have and express feelings and perspectives that don't align with yours on a discussion forum, by all means take a break and give yourself space to emotionally recuperate, but nobody is responsible for writing the things you want to read and that's certainly not going to start happening because you demean their sentiments as "whiny."
I do appreciate that the rest of your post, where I think we have points of agreement, but I felt driven to highlight that portion and respond unequivocally. I don't really care at all if people are tonally "nice" but this constant refrain that people, fans and ex fans, should be expected to tow the line a select few have determined to be fitting for the moment is past the point of absurdity. There have been KH games that have been out since the series' origins that people have vocally and effusively argued against at every given opportunity, and in far more inflammatory ways than anything we see now. There was never any excuse for anyone to operate under the illusion that KH3 would be a magical turning point in this regard-- sounds like the problem some people have with setting themselves up for disappointment is decidedly not ours.
The amount of complaining and condemning everything about this announcement without full details is ridiculous. Stop assuming you know everything based off the bare minimum amount of information, and stop acting kh 3 is broken because it isn’t does it have issues? Yeah but so does every other game in the series, kh 3 just got critical mode and it’s really good, and that should give hope that the extra content they are going to produce with this dlc will also be good. It’s gotten really old with how people take exception with kh 3 for similar things that other games in the series have done, it’s hypocritical.
I feel this is an entirely reasonable bar to set and I share in this demand (not that there's anything in this world or the next that could move me to pay for more KH3).
You were just in another thread lecturing people about how they ought to direct their criticism of this game towards DLC development in order to address any lingering questions or concerns or desires they have about it.
I agree with you that people shouldn't be expecting DLC to "fix" KH3, but only to the extent that KH3 is so broken it realistically can't be fixed. There's nothing Nomura can do now but bandage the worst fractures and move on. Also, nobody called you in to police their impressions of information and product related to this game, but thanks for stopping by all the same.
But kh 3 isn’t broken it’s a game that has some issues as does any game in the series, people are just over exaggerating kh 3’s issues to the point of bashing it for everything it does and anything that nomura and his do. As is seen within this article alone.
I know this is probably a stretch, but with one of the episodes being called Limit...
What if the DLC keyblade gives you kh2 Limit Form (so a kh1 sora recolor)? And then the actual Limit episode relating to something in the kh1 era of the series?
Man, as much as KH3 bent me out of shape a little bit, just discussing this little bit of DLC has reminded me of why I love this series. The speculation is so fun, I know I will enjoy whatever the DLC ends up being. It wasnt until after about a week of beating the game that I realized I felt mostly negative about the game...but it was a joy to play.
What made you have such a negative feeling about the game? I’m on honestly just curious.
Interesting, I was under the assumption that all this content would be unveiled for D23 this year. Kingdom Hearts is always hyped for that event.
Well, I'm looking forward to this. I hope that Nomura's idea of Xehanort's origin is translated here in some capacity.
Limit Episode & boss
Those sure are words I'm reading.
What's a Limit Episode?
I agree with you that people shouldn't be expecting DLC to "fix" KH3, but only to the extent that KH3 is so broken it realistically can't be fixed. There's nothing Nomura can do now but bandage the worst fractures and move on.
Ditto.
I'm walking in these DLCs with no expectations whatsoever, but not because it's the right thing to do. KH III has huge problems at its core so I'm following these updates to see what is that they want to add and that couldn't be in the main game so to parse what they're concious about and what is simply part of their mentality and think should be done exactly this way.
That it's probably not going to be what I like to see in Kingdom Hearts or something Kingdom Hearts needs, I've made peace with that.
For starters, I'm not going beyond this thread's level of information about the DLC. Not going to read any interview, watch any trailer or video snippet, anything. I suggest anyone who was burned by the shameless marketing campaign for KH III to do the same.
When it's out, it's out.
But kh 3 isn’t broken it’s a game that has some issues as does any game in the series, people are just over exaggerating kh 3’s issues to the point of bashing it for everything it does and anything that nomura and his do. As is seen within this article alone.
Nobody in this thread has bashed Nomura or his team, or even named them in the like, three posts expressing concern and/or disappointment. And even if people were, that wouldn't be out of place given that Nomura is responsible for the development of the game. It's not our fault he fumbled it (trust me, if I had the capacity to control Nomura's creative process, you would all hate KH3 and I would have had a much better start to the year); we're just here to see what shade of lipstick he tries to put on this pig.
Nobody in this thread has bashed Nomura or his team, or even named them in the like, three posts expressing concern and/or disappointment. And even if people were, that wouldn't be out of place given that Nomura is responsible for the development of the game. It's not our fault he fumbled it (trust me, if I had the capacity to control Nomura's creative process, you would all hate KH3 and I would have had a much better start to the year); we're just here to see what shade of lipstick he tries to put on this pig.
I was saying in regards to what nomura and his team try to do not them specifically, he didn’t fumble it in the slightest, people are just taking exception to kh 3 for things that the series has done throughout its lifespan, It’s nothing but hypocrisy. People essentially wanted kh 3 to not be a kh game.
According to some Japanese translation, the Limit DLC will contain multiple bosses. I'm guessing this is where the vaunted Organization battles will be. KH3 more complete than KH2FM in less than a year, amazing.
Those sure are words I'm reading.
What's a Limit Episode?
It's not a Limit episode(for some reason they posted that), it's Limit Cut Episode(リミットカットエピソード).
To explain the meaning of this is a bit difficult to explain because it's just used for Japanese people who played KH2FM(of course, it's also the name of an ability in 358/2, etc but not this time) and i think it's better to explain this in Japanese.
Limit cut it's a word that it's only used until now to describe the "Data Organization 13" in KH2FM.
Well Limit Cut I think it's the bad translation(?) of 制限斬り
制限= Limit
切り = cut
Meaning "Something that cuts the limit". I think it's used to say something like something that has strength beyond the limits, or something like that.
For example they usually use Limit cut's Xemnas, or Roxas, or Marluxia, etc.
And the Limit cut episode will be something like the Cavern of Remembrance and the bosses something like the data Organization, probably.
Well of course, i'm not 100% sure if LCE will be that.
III crushed me and a lot of my love for the franchise has been deflating but I'm still pretty interested in Secret Episode. I wonder where this mini adventure will take place
I’m wondering what made Shinji Hashimoto leave KH's producer after so many years?
Is the quarrel with Nomura? And how it will affect the series as a whole.
The reaction to this should be joyous and celebratory, instead the insults/hate/negativity flows. People need to stop thinking that KH3 needs to be "fixed". They're just setting themselves up for disappointment by building it up in their minds that the DLC is going to "fix" what was "broken" in KH3. It's extra stuff for us to enjoy.
It is what it is. I'm excited for the DLC. Honestly, this happens every game release. People said they were leaving after KH2. Then they said they were leaving after BBS. Then Days. Then Coded. Let's not forget DDD. Now we're at KH3, and it's the same thing. And they'll be here for the next release, and the release after that. There's always a game that loses old fans, but there's always plenty of new fans gained by that same game. Doesn't mean that there shouldn't be criticism because there's always room for growth, but I don't let it bother me at this point. I'm hyped as hell.
As long as you love it, that's all that counts. This train clearly isn't stopping anytime soon, so if people choose this as their stop, no hard feelings, it's their opinion and choice which they're entitled to. But me, it just means there's more people who like what I like. I like this crazy train, so I definitely wanna see what the DLC has to offer!
Count me among those who are super excited. More Kingdom Hearts is coming my way! 2019 is the year of Kingdom Hearts. Can't wait for the new potential story stuff and new secret boss stuff. I'm crossing my fingers they expand more on how Vexen creates the replicas and how they were able to control them. I've been longing for that since Days. Maybe even a new cutscene with all 13 Seekers together before the war just like how the 7 guardians were at the tower.
I’m wondering what made Shinji Hashimoto leave KH's producer after so many years?
Is the quarrel with Nomura? And how it will affect the series as a whole.
I guess Hashimoto left in order to dedicate fully to FF7 Remake. As long as Nomura is in charge, I don't think we'll notice any difference.
Not a fan of story dlc since it is on Nomura and his team for being so bad at using their time that it looks like I have to pay extra to get story elements that should have been in the base game.
I get he might have felt rushed to push a game out but he had like DDD/.2/ReCoded type games to stick more KH3 plot points in so the game was not so bloated.
I was saying in regards to what nomura and his team try to do not them specifically, he didn’t fumble it in the slightest, people are just taking exception to kh 3 for things that the series has done throughout its lifespan, It’s nothing but hypocrisy. People essentially wanted kh 3 to not be a kh game.
What specific arguments and concerns are you referencing? My guess is your only real aim here is to deflect criticism using hasty generalizations in order to avoid any feeling of dissonance with a product you enjoyed. There's really no need. Enjoy your game: if you're interested in having an actual discussion about what's wrong with it, great-- if not, great. But recognize that defining and evaluating any KH game is a collective process and everyone who bought, played, or even showed a passing interest in this game is entitled to be a part of it. There's no special club of KH fans who get to decide what is and is not KH and who is and is not fan enough to be involved in the debate-- all you can do is argue your position by identifying where it clashes with those of other people and making the better case.
It's not a Limit episode(for some reason they posted that), it's Limit Cut Episode(リミットカットエピソード).
To explain the meaning of this is a bit difficult to explain because it's just used for Japanese people who played KH2FM(of course, it's also the name of an ability in 358/2, etc but not this time) and i think it's better to explain this in Japanese.
Limit cut it's a word that it's only used until now to describe the "Data Organization 13" in KH2FM.
Well Limit Cut I think it's the bad translation(?) of 制限斬り
制限= Limit
切り = cut
Meaning "Something that cuts the limit". I think it's used to say something like something that has strength beyond the limits, or something like that.
For example they usually use Limit cut's Xemnas, or Roxas, or Marluxia, etc.
And the Limit cut episode will be something like the Cavern of Remembrance and the bosses something like the data Organization, probably.
Well of course, i'm not 100% sure if LCE will be that.
So it's vaguely in the "going beyond the limits" area of meaning.
That clarifies it a bit more, thanks!
I’m wondering what made Shinji Hashimoto leave KH's producer after so many years?
Is the quarrel with Nomura? And how it will affect the series as a whole.
Why you gotta assume the worst? Nomura and Hashimoto are not on bad terms. Hashimoto still is working with Nomura on FF7R.
The company has divided into three central divisions now and Hashimoto who is an executive for the FF brand, is now also General Manager of the Media & Arts Business Division which deals with events and goods for their games. He probably found a passion for event planning over the last few years.
Hazama has been business manager for Kingdom Hearts for years, so nothing should change in a negative way. He was essentially training for this kind of executive position for the KH brand for years and has been a producer on many projects that Nomura has also worked on.
At best this means we’ll see new projects that are disconnected from the canon plot, which means we can enjoy them without wracking our heads over how things connect to the main story.
The secret boss is Sora breaking up with Kairi, and she doesn’t take it well. At all.
So I didn’t react to the DLC but one of those two things better be Riku DLC or I swear to all of the deities out there that I will personally start a Riku DLC rally online.
I do wonder what the Secret Episode DLC will be, though. It can either go four ways: Riku’s journey to find Sora which leads to him appearing in Shinjuku, Sora’s journey to save Kairi which leads to his disappearance and arrival in Shibuya, Sora or Riku once they arrive in Shibuya/Shinjuku, or it’s related to X/Skuld(?) and the Foretellers.
I think the Secret Episode is more likely to focus on the secret ending, though.
Or just throw a Xehanort scenario at us I don’t even care anymore. I have no expectations or hopes going into this. I just want to not feel confused on where I stand with KH3. I cycle between hating it, being charmed by most of the game, and liking it because of a theory or new detail discovered in the game, the go right back to “ugh”
Judging from those thinking that KH3 has “huge issues”, I can only raise eyebrows in confusion, shrug and go back to exploring Caribbean while Mariah the cat stares at the TV. She’s probably as baffled at the series’ story as ya’ll are! All while I wallow in shame over the fact that I apparently needed spell check for the word caribbean.
A benefit of low expectations, I guess. Those expectations being “be better than KH2 and please don’t make me fight the final boss alone or with non-D&G characters I don’t care about”. KH3 fulfilled both, so I’m good. I would have just replaced Kairi with a lamp post, and added more shield riding segments, but you can’t have everything.
The reaction to this should be joyous and celebratory, instead the insults/hate/negativity flows. People need to stop thinking that KH3 needs to be "fixed". They're just setting themselves up for disappointment by building it up in their minds that the DLC is going to "fix" what was "broken" in KH3. It's extra stuff for us to enjoy.
They should have released the game finished. KHIII has a few major issues, that are fixeable through patches and DLC. This game deserves FFXV's level of support, since it isn't a trainwreck like FFXV and can be fixed.
I hope the DLC shows Sora saving Kairi
You mean like how KH2 was "broken" until Final Mix came out? By which we mean "became fun AFTER you beat the final boss"? I'm guessing ya'll ranting about how KH3 "needs fixing" or is "unfinished" have never actually played a broken game before, and believe me, I wish I was in your position!
Heck, KH1's the only one that didn't benefit at all from a Final Mix. If anything, the FM made moogle shops worse.
People sure are reacting strongly to what amounts to the absolute bare bones of hints as to what the DLC contains.
Like these are very vague terms with next to no explanation applied to them and yet people are getting in a tizzy that X, Y, Z isn't part of it when it very well could be.
Besides the real thing to riot over is the fact that none of these suggest the return of the WARDROBE. OUTRAGE!
They should have released the game finished.
They did.
I hope the DLC shows Sora saving Kairi
This is kind of what I imagine the Secret Episode DLC to be about, personally. I kind of imagine they're saving Shibuya stuff for the next game and aren't going to show much more of that (aside from maybe a new secret ending/tie-in secret boss).
I'm hoping ReMIND is kind of a BBS v2 sort of situation where it will cover a variety of things and loose ends.
I wonder if the new Keyblade is something that will release between now and the paid DLC or if it releases concurrently with the paid DLC and they're just making it so everyone can get it.
"You mean we have to PAY for this!?"
Regarding folks that have qualms with this idea...would you rather buy a Swap Magic off play-asia, then import a copy of KH3FM, then dismantle your PS2 just so you can play the full version of a game you didn't even like that much? Because hoo boy, am I glad those days are over.
Final Mix has a better ring to it than ReMIND though, but the latter's apparently just a working title anyway.
Wow, this is great news to wake up to!
Audo is right. We need Wardrobe to return. Give us Mickey ears to put on Sora! Give us costumes!
They should have released the game finished. KHIII has a few major issues, that are fixeable through patches and DLC. This game deserves FFXV's level of support, since it isn't a trainwreck like FFXV and can be fixed.
It was a finished game, though. This isn’t some situation where they promised us something but it wasn’t in the game. Everything they promised and revealed was in the game. They were clear about how they had plans to release additional content after release to enhance the experience which has ALWAYS happened with the series since KH1, but they didn’t start working on that content until after the game released.
This is the same song and dance since 2002. 17 years. Main game releases as a complete title -> new content that expands the game comes out within a year of release. The difference now is that they can just release this stuff when it is ready rather than have to print a whole new disk for it. (And no matter how many times they deny it, they will most certainly do that next year once DLC is complete because it is a way to get a nice boost in sales for a game after its release.)
This game doesn’t need that level of support, especially when XV fans had their DLC cancelled and are angry that everything they wanted was reduced to being in a novel. We don’t need five DLC episodes expanding on each character’s journey when there is not that much story to tell. All we need is Riku DLC because he was the main one who deserved more screen time and his own expanded story, and then we need something to bridge the new projects together.
What are the major issues?
Not enough good spots to find ingredients? :P
Kairi could use an extended DLC segment alongside Riku. Actually show her training with Lea and maybe play as her in a world such as Twilight Town. Probably won't happen though
I'm torn on having Kairi's training be more explored. Like on the one hand more screen time for her is obviously good, but on the other, I feel like putting any more emphasis on her training will just make the ending sting even more? Like knowing how she and Lea both whiff it in the ending, I feel like having more buildup and showcase of them training is just going to make that feel worse.
Jeez, everyone is so ungrateful and miserable... I'm happy for whatever new content we get.
Sweet! I have no expectations for whatever the DLC will bring. I just hope whatever it does it does well.
Ok so, I'm chiming in real quick now that I have some free time. This isn't the most appropriate thread but I doubt there is even one, considering this convo has been going throughout many threads.
It seems we've reached a point where both sides of the KH III debate are getting tired and frustrated at one another. Discussions are switching from what goes on in the game to what people from the opposite faction do, and even if I'm kinda "retiring" from all of it I'm reading all of what happens.
People who dislike KH III: I'm just as frustrated as you are, perhaps even more if all the invitations I get to lower my voice whenever KH III comes up in the Discord call are any indication of my emotional state.
But remember, at the end of the day this is a forum about Kingdom Hearts, for Kingdom Hearts fans. Having the right to speak one's own opinion, even if dissonant, is important and should always be there, but there is SOME validity to the fact that coming to almost every thread guns ablazing ranting over the bad stuff is... not *wrong* per se, but can be out of place.
You ask me every day of the week, KH III ultimately sucks. It sucks we got such a disappointing game full of bad stuff and bad decisions for the saga finale, and I have so many issues with the people handling the series. And I've voiced all of that as much as I've felt comfortable doing, sometimes a bit more, and in the most respectful approach I could muster.
Other than that, news and interviews about the game will keep happening, and positive responses from those who loved it will keep happening as well: and you'd think that in a place called "Kingdom Hearts Insider Forums" would have more people who ultimately like the stuff. It's also okay to some extent. I love Kingdom Hearts, including III, I come to a Kingdom Hearts forum to tell how much I love it and how I'm looking forward to every new update. Easy enough.
Even if the admins shared our whole mindset, it's not like they can just go and say "Ok, KH confirmed bad, from now on let's all start trashing the franchise and every post needs at least three insults or it won't be approved."
They'll keep posting stuff and reporting news, trying (or not even trying, but simply doing it naturally) to be cheerful and inviting, and speaking as a fellow colleague on my own sites, I know all too well how it feels when you're posting something and you already KNOW you'll get a bitter response in the first three or five replies. S'not always great, and it sends bitter waves to the original poster as well.
Again, I'm the last person on Earth who'd tell you not to think KH III is bad or underwhelming or similar things, nor that you shouldn't express it: at this point KH III is officially a divisive game and not an all-out success and your opinion is rightfully part of the whole.
But once you've made your point... well... it' shouldn't be surprising people on a KH forum will go back to praising it and sometimes even reacting not too thrilled in response to further negativity.
Which brings me to the People who like KH III: I am absolutely in favor of alexis and Rydgea when they say that some opinions are being marginalized and treated like "oh those sad guys are back at it with their sad opinions, oh wee", to some extent at the very least.
It's plain to see some echo chambers of BOTH negativity and ultra-positivity have been made (and some "innocent" statements in favor of the game and devs which were most likely made with the intentions of provoking but I don't want to create drama so let's stop there), and we're now at the point where attempts are being made at telling some people how to feel.
"People who hate on KH III probably don't... people who claim X thing is bad should" nononono, honeys, stopping y'all right there. *I* decide how I should feel and what I probably did or didn't experience, with this game or others. Just as you decided you love this game and you want to defend it and I have nothing to say against that. When/If I go too far... mods and admins will be there to notify and/or punish me accordingly.
Let's not pretend all the passive-aggressive behaviour was always made as a glorious and all-deserving response to some very mean attitude from a toxic KH III hater, because that's just not what always happens.
EDIT: Oh, now name-calling too, apparently. Lovely.
I hold zero power here. I'm just a user who sometimes voices his opinion and all the other times makes dumb jokes some of which are deemed fun. I can't tell anyone what to do, and no one can tell someone else what to feel, so I only say this as an advice to both factions: just try to cool it.
Remember this is a Kingdom Hearts forum so it just won't have a perfect 50/50 ratio on opinions, but WILL have bias at times for obvious, and in part right, reasons.
Anybody else, never hurts to run some self-doubt checkup every once in a while to make sure you're letting others breathe and aren't falling into the role of a glorified paladin no one asked for.
That's all. Don't take it on a personal level, I come in peace.
on the topic of disappointments, i'll be incredibly disappointed if the new scenario is just playable Xion. what a waste that'd be, imo.
Well Limit Cut I think it's the bad translation(?) of 制限斬り
制限= Limit
切り = cut
Meaning "Something that cuts the limit". I think it's used to say something like something that has strength beyond the limits, or something like that
would a better/closer translation be "Limit Break"
My only desire for DLC is a super crazy maniacal boss for me to tackle with Donald and Goofy, ala Lingering Will in KH2’s FM or Xemnas in KH1’s. Dark Inferno is the “obligatory secret boss you fight alone”, so I figure we just need “obligatory secret boss you fight with friends”.
What specific arguments and concerns are you referencing? My guess is your only real aim here is to deflect criticism using hasty generalizations in order to avoid any feeling of dissonance with a product you enjoyed. There's really no need. Enjoy your game: if you're interested in having an actual discussion about what's wrong with it, great-- if not, great. But recognize that defining and evaluating any KH game is a collective process and everyone who bought, played, or even showed a passing interest in this game is entitled to be a part of it. There's no special club of KH fans who get to decide what is and is not KH and who is and is not fan enough to be involved in the debate-- all you can do is argue your position by identifying where it clashes with those of other people and making the better case.
You haven’t made specific points to anything you’ve said, in regards to the game being “broken” and you say I’m using hasty generalizations? You’re the pot calling the kettle black. Also I have acknowledged that kh 3 has issues so that dissonance statement is nothing, but a complete lie, my guess here is your only aim, is to make condescending responses while making empty generalizations that the game is “broken”, or Nomura “fumbled” it. You say a lot with little substance and make some baseless assumptions not once have I said anything in regards to whether someone is “fan enough” or not, nor did I say that only a select few get to decide what is kh. Also I mean in regards people say proud was too easy, kingdom hearts games have not been known to be difficult games in general, proud has always been a relatively easy difficulty and even with critical mode aside from kh 2 lvl 1, it’s also not a terribly hard experience. So the easyness of kingdom hearts has been a thing for the series in general, then people complain about the story how certain things that were brought up weren’t explained, this has also been a thing throughout the series, when something was introduced you usually had to wait for a whole other game to fully expand on it and explain it, to take exception with kh 3 doing this is ridiculous because that’s what the series is known for, an example is like when xemnas goes to the chamber of repose and talks with aquas armor and calls it friend, we wouldn’t get an explanation on this until birth by sleep, and how all the organization members became nobodies we wouldn’t see how this was done until dream drop if I’m remembering correctly.
I feel crappy when people rant that a KH game is too easy, because it indirectly implies I’m terrible. :(
Not a fan of story dlc since it is on Nomura and his team for being so bad at using their time that it looks like I have to pay extra to get story elements that should have been in the base game.
I get he might have felt rushed to push a game out but he had like DDD/.2/ReCoded type games to stick more KH3 plot points in so the game was not so bloated.
You know this has been a thing since final mix first became a thing right?
With Xion, I don't even see how she'd have a playable segment in KH3's story. All that's needed for her is a scene or two explaining how she came back (and maybe a slight adjustment to when she fully returns as apparently being kicked into Sora is what finally did it.)
A fan translation about her status implies Vexen made a new Replica using her old data. A short scene of Vexen doing that would work fine.
KH ReMIND:
-Playable Nami DLC where you journey through memories of various characters, revealing key plot points
With Xion, I don't even see how she'd have a playable segment in KH3's story. All that's needed for her is a scene or two explaining how she came back (and maybe a slight adjustment to when she fully returns as apparently being kicked into Sora is what finally did it.)
A fan translation about her status implies Vexen made a new Replica using her old data. A short scene of Vexen doing that would work fine.
Yeah exactly. Like the pieces of her return are there, it just needs a cutscene or two to make it clearer (and maybe a bit of a modification of the scene where it happens so we can see the visual of her heart moving or something). It really doesn't need a full playable DLC episode focusing on it, and on her, of all the characters in the game that could benefit from it.
KH ReMIND:
-Playable Nami DLC where you journey through memories of various characters, revealing key plot points
No thanks
i want my playable kairi
No thanks
i want my playable kairi
good luck
Fans has been asking for playable kairi since like 2017 for kh3
letting someone else in the dlc be playable (riku doesn't count since he's already playable and got everything done) would be a spitting on the fans face, imo.
With Xion, I don't even see how she'd have a playable segment in KH3's story. All that's needed for her is a scene or two explaining how she came back (and maybe a slight adjustment to when she fully returns as apparently being kicked into Sora is what finally did it.)
A fan translation about her status implies Vexen made a new Replica using her old data. A short scene of Vexen doing that would work fine.
Which reminds me, where exactly did Vexen do any of his research? I would say TWTNW but all of the organization meetings happened at the Keyblade Graveyard
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Fans has been asking for playable kairi since like 2017 for kh3
letting someone else in the dlc be playable (riku doesn't count since he's already playable and got everything done) would be a spitting on the fans face, imo.
you need to raise the bar for what you consider "spitting on the fans face"
also, two years is not very long?
you need to raise the bar for what you consider "spitting on the fans face"
also, two years is not very long?
They likely started working on the dlc around the end of 2018, so by then they should know what the fans are asking for so the DLC can give that to them. simple.
Playable Xion would be the worst decision. I like her but there is nothing surrounding her return that I’m interested in playing from her POV.
Kairi would be a good choice for a DLC, but I also feel the same as Audo. Having her be playable would only make her death much more worse because we know her growth would go nowhere.
If I could have the perfect project, I would prefer a whole game dedicated to Kairi, starting with her training as the tutorial, then a quick flash forward as we see her fight and die and come back, then the game truly begins once she’s back and it explores a new journey for her where she dedicates herself to becoming stronger so nothing like what happened happens again. And it could be a story about finding herself and her place in the world, especially by visiting Disney worlds that have stories surrounding that theme like Moana, Zootopia, and Treasure Planet.
As it stands, DLC on her training would be more demeaning. DLC after her return wouldn’t be enough.
KH ReMIND:
-Playable Nami DLC where you journey through memories of various characters, revealing key plot points
She was essentially one of the major hero of KH3 in the end. It was by her connecting to Lingering Will that the heroes didn’t repeat history over again. Also, I think it would be interesting if she was also the reason for Ephemer reaching out from the past. Of all of the things that had little to no explanation, that moment is definitely up there. It was amazing but it there must have been a catalyst for it to happen.
If Namine was exploring all of the various connections and memories of people related to Sora, I’d absolutely love to see her just eventually connect to Ephemer through Eraqus or something.
They likely started working on the dlc around the end of 2018, so by then they should know what the fans are asking for so the DLC can give that to them. simple.
How would they have know what fans wanted in the DLC in 2018 when the game wasn’t out yet?
I’m not sure how playable Namine would work, gameplay-wise. What would she attack with, bonking enemies on the head with her sketchbook?
I’m not sure how playable Namine would work, gameplay-wise. What would she attack with, bonking enemies on the head with her sketchbook?
It's possible she has some of Kairi's PoH abilities. She could use white mage attacks like Holy.
I’m not sure how playable Namine would work, gameplay-wise. What would she attack with, bonking enemies on the head with her sketchbook?
I was mostly just joking based on it being called "Remind". But gameplay doesn't have to be combat based
I’m not sure how playable Namine would work, gameplay-wise. What would she attack with, bonking enemies on the head with her sketchbook?
it's gunna be winnie the pooh pop up sketchbook mini games esque
Xion has more going for her gamelay wise than Kairi.
it's gunna be winnie the pooh pop up sketchbook mini games esque
that'd be so cute.
drawing based. have nami draw the scenes she's going to visit to witness what happened
If we do get something similar to CoR and can re-fight Org XIII, I’m hoping they allow us the option of playing as either Sora, Riku, or Aqua. Maybe unlocking different rewards with the latter 2.
(And yes, I’m aware everyone wants to play as Kairi, Roxas, etc... I’m just being more realistic because Riku and Aqua are already programmed to be playable)
A secret boss who will be hard enough to make me cry? Let’s do it!
Still hoping for a Darth Vader boss, just a throwaway deal like Julius. He certainly fits the bill for someone who could be that hard of a boss - or hell, get Thanos!
If we do get something similar to CoR and can re-fight Org XIII, I’m hoping they allow us the option of playing as either Sora, Riku, or Aqua. Maybe unlocking different rewards with the latter 2.
(And yes, I’m aware everyone wants to play as Kairi, Roxas, etc... I’m just being more realistic because Riku and Aqua are already programmed to be playable)
Letting me play aqua the entire game would be a god send, i will gladly pay 20-30$ for it
i made save file before vanitas fight just so i can play as her from time to time lol
edit: just saw you didn't mean the entire game but the organization fights, point still stands tho.
I can’t imagine they’d dedicate an entire scenario to Xion of all people. The term “remind” works for a lot of characters; I could see it being used to elaborate more on Xehanort’s history, which was something Nomura had wanted to tell.
A Riku's scenario seems such an obvious thing to do. There's a lot of potential for this game - A Riku's scenario, Kairi's scenario, Xehanort's scenario... If we don't even get the most obvious one, I won't know what to feel...
As for the free DLC, the rest of Twilight Town and Mysterious Tower should be included. It just seems fair. Twilight Town is smaller than ever and Mysterious Tower gameplay was showed in some trailers.
y'all really want to play on that patch of dirt huh
How awesome would it be if we got to visit a couple of new worlds and play as both Kairi and Sora. And then Sora saves her, disappears, and the DLC has a new secret ending showing Sora in Shibuya looking around, only to receive a text message that reads: "Reach 104. You have 60 minutes. Fail, and face erasure. -The Reapers"
Oh boy, I would flip out.
"Remind" could cover anyone really. It could even be about Lauriam, Elrena, Demyx, and Luxord's forgotten memories of the Chi-era.
Which reminds me, where exactly did Vexen do any of his research? I would say TWTNW but all of the organization meetings happened at the Keyblade Graveyard
Even if all that we saw was at the Keyblade Graveyard doesn't mean they didn't do stuff at other places. There's no way Vexen had equipment at KG. What with all that nothing the world has.
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so here's my theory about the new keyblade:
it's one based on the seven flans and you get it for doing all their minigames and that's why it's a free update because it's a reward for something all the players have instead of being based on the dlc.
secret episode: sora wakes up in tokyo. He ends up at the sky tree at some point. He then attends the 'tower of radiance and shadow' event at sky tree. Some sort of executive boss battle happens. Obtains sky tree keyblade
Inb4 it's all a shotout to the Vanitas mod made for KH II FM
We play as Vanitas instead of Sora, and every once in a while the game gets altered: for example, when we go to the Final World there's Dark Chirithy instead of normal Chirithy. And it and Vanitas just spend the time insulting each other.
I'd like playable Kairi. I agree with the concerns, her fate is there to prevent any easy fix to her situation, but I'd still take it over not having her.
I can see playable Riku, but... eh. Not that he wouldn't also gain a lot from some more flattering sequences in KH III, but I get it.
Honestly, we should just get some character scenario for almost all the Guardians, maybe pairing some up to cut corners (like Roxas and Xion as an ally), like the newer version of Dragon Quest XI seems to have.
I know how some feel about "Episode That Guy" after FF XV, but if there's a game who needs this kinda stuff is this one.
You haven’t made specific points to anything you’ve said, in regards to the game being “broken” and you say I’m using hasty generalizations? You’re the pot calling the kettle black. Also I have acknowledged that kh 3 has issues so that dissonance statement is nothing, but a complete lie, my guess here is your only aim, is to make condescending responses while making empty generalizations that the game is “broken”, or Nomura “fumbled” it. You say a lot with little substance and make some baseless assumptions not once have I said anything in regards to whether someone is “fan enough” or not, nor did I say that only a select few get to decide what is kh.
That was my entire point, the responses in this thread hadn't even risen to the level of decent, serious criticism and yet yourself and others immediately jumped to conclusions about what wasn't happening yet and making sweeping judgement calls about every potential dissenting statement. None of my posts were intended to formulate a stringent argument on why the game is bad, only to address the redundancy with which this same exact scenario occurs and the kind of atmosphere it establishes, while also commiserating with some members on our level of interest/disinterest in this DLC: none of which requires a detailed account of the problems with KH3 in order to function as self-contained inferences.
Also I mean in regards people say proud was too easy, kingdom hearts games have not been known to be difficult games in general, proud has always been a relatively easy difficulty and even with critical mode aside from kh 2 lvl 1, it’s also not a terribly hard experience. So the easyness of kingdom hearts has been a thing for the series in general, then people complain about the story how certain things that were brought up weren’t explained, this has also been a thing throughout the series, when something was introduced you usually had to wait for a whole other game to fully expand on it and explain it, to take exception with kh 3 doing this is ridiculous because that’s what the series is known for, an example is like when xemnas goes to the chamber of repose and talks with aquas armor and calls it friend, we wouldn’t get an explanation on this until birth by sleep, and how all the organization members became nobodies we wouldn’t see how this was done until dream drop if I’m remembering correctly.
I agree that KH has always been easy, and this has never been a concern of mine with KH3. Anyway, Critical Mode seems to have fixed that for people who wanted to challenge themselves. I'll never play it, but it's nice for those who wanted it.
The problem with KH3 is not that information is left ambiguous as a way of enhancing how people think about the story and getting them to take a harder look at it (an approach with a lot of merit which past games have used), it's that entire swaths of the story are incomprehensible or underdeveloped because Nomura applies every imaginable narrative shortcut in order to achieve his desired endgame, and that undercuts the emotional resonance of the most important moments that rely on proper internal build up in order to land dramatically: and all the while the game shoehorns in a seismic ton of sequel fodder which is actively detrimental to the capacity of KH3 to perform in its role as the culminating moment for the series up to this point, which itself relies on delivering a proper sense of closure to the central elements that have shaped the series. KH3 gives more lines to Chirithy than Namine. Roxas is developed as one of the most important subplots in the game but is ultimately returned through a series of offscreen events and deus ex machina that tell us nothing about him as a character and the details of which are relegated to the KH equivalent of homework (the journal) to follow properly. The groundwork is laid early on for Kairi to act as a participant in the final struggle and achieve growth as a character and all she does is fulfill the role of Sora's passive magical gf just like in KH1, so an actual regression from KH2 in which she started to take a more proactive role, and then die. I could list (and have listed elsewhere) dozens more examples of how this game betrays its characters and its central conceit, but yeah, it's simpler and more efficent to just say it: the game is broken, and DLC can't fix any of the things that are truly wrong with it. It can only expand on an utterly inept baseline.
I feel this is an entirely reasonable bar to set and I share in this demand (not that there's anything in this world or the next that could move me to pay for more KH3).
You were just in another thread lecturing people about how they ought to direct their criticism of this game towards DLC development in order to address any lingering questions or concerns or desires they have about it.
I agree with you that people shouldn't be expecting DLC to "fix" KH3, but only to the extent that KH3 is so broken it realistically can't be fixed. There's nothing Nomura can do now but bandage the worst fractures and move on. Also, nobody called you in to police their impressions of information and product related to this game, but thanks for stopping by all the same.
You're right that I shouldn't be policing people on their impressions. You're also right in saying that I was telling people to forward their concerns to Nomura in a respectful way and hope that Nomura produces DLC that accommodates. However, I think I should have been more specific in my post that people should stop seeing KH3 as an "incomplete" product. People keep saying that the game was released unfinished. Nothing in KH3 feels unfinished to me. Could there and SHOULD there have been more content? Yes. Do I think it was released unfinished just to sell DLC? No.
People complaining that the DLC should "complete" the game is insane. They're building themselves up that the DLC will fix their laundry list of problems with the game, stuff that seems like asking way too much in just a DLC expansion.
I'm torn on having Kairi's training be more explored. Like on the one hand more screen time for her is obviously good, but on the other, I feel like putting any more emphasis on her training will just make the ending sting even more? Like knowing how she and Lea both whiff it in the ending, I feel like having more buildup and showcase of them training is just going to make that feel worse.
Maybe they can actually show that they had problems wielding a keyblade? I think it would be endearing for their characters to actually show that people can't just pick up a keyblade and be amazing at using it. It could also add to Kairi's own character where she really wants to become a better keyblade wielder and that her failure at Keyblade Graveyard is something that haunts her and pushes her to work harder? Especially if she believes her failure is what caused Sora to sacrifice himself.
Am I greedy for wanting all the guardians playable? I know it's likely not going to happen but a KH fan can dream right? As for who the episodes could be about, I'm being greedy again. I want one for everyone darn it XD
Expansions on Lingering Will/Terra, Namine, Xion, and Roxas seem the most likely for a title called "REMIND" and these are the characters that suffered the worse in terms of screentime in KH3 Well them and Eraqus. I'm bias so I'd love to play as Roxas again, even just once like Riku and Aqua were. I selfishly crave more Roxas time.
As for playable Xion, I'd be down for it if the scenario is her taking back her body by beating...whatever is driving her new body to begin with. They haven't fully said if she was norted or not since we can't see her eyes when hooded. Still I would have enjoyed what would basically be a playable situation of the "Rikuception" Even better if it takes place in Dive to the Heart and evil Xion uses the forms from Days. Some real Xion-on-Xion violence there.
Lingering Will would also be fun to play as again. Maybe even have "spirit" Namine as his emotional backup or something. Anything to give Namine more screentime. I'm still bummed I skipped her scene in my first Proud Mode playthrough. But I could get on board with it. Though it be a tad boring for Lingering Will to keep fighting the same guy over and over again in Terranort. I'm being totally greedy in what I hope to see. I know most of these won't happen but it's fun to speculate.
What the heck, I'll just go ahead and say my dream ReMIND scenario in full regardless of how likely any of it is.
Sora saving Kairi rewinded time again, but now it wound all the way back to the start of the game, except Sora has been erased from the timeline. The ReMIND scenario is a complete replay of KH3 with Kairi as the lead with new scenes/party/bosses. Kairi is the only character to retain a vague memory of the previous timeline. Just enough to know what happened to Sora and she still has her training and can skip that this time around. She, Donald, and Goofy go on a journey to find a means of saving Sora.
Olympus: Kairi gets training from Phil that's harsher than what Merlin's furniture targets, which toughens her up a bit more. She pursues Hades as he's a God of the dead and she wonders if he is capable of bringing back Sora. Doesn't go well.
New Boss: Hades on his flying chariot
TT: we finally get the scene of Kairi at the mansion. Some scenes of her meeting Namine's will and Xion's revival.
New boss: Hooded Xion
Toybox: Takes place on the other half of the split world. Still no humans, they all fell to heartless but are restored by end of the game.
New Party: Jessie
New Boss: Zurg
Corona: Kairi learns more about her PoH status while teaming with Rapunzel.
New Boss: Marluxia
Arendelle: plottwist reveal, Kairi isn't a PoH anymore as her death to make the XBlade counts as losing it in the same way as the other old princesses. This has carried over in the altered timeline.
New Party: Elsa
New Bosses: Hans, Larxene
Monsters Inc: With Kairi no longer a PoH, she now is capable of darkness which is utterly a foreign concept to her. Vanitas tries to exploit this by attempting to corrupt her before she learns to control her newfound darkness.
New Bosses: Vanitas, Randall piloting construction vehicles (operating under an unfounded premise that S-E lied about being able to make Randall a boss to keep it a surprise)
Caribbean: Kairi gets more involved in the film's events. The resurrections of Jack and Barbossa strike her as another opportunity for a means to bring back Sora. Doesn't work out.
New party: Will and Elisabeth
New boss: underwater Kraken fight
Sanfransokyo: The 2 Baymaxs and Riku brings up more possible of bringing back Sora as a replica or data copy. Data-Sora makes a long overdue cameo.
New Boss: Riku Replica and Reprogrammed Data Sora tag team (Kairi forced to fight her friends in a sense)
TKbGy/SaC: Destruction of the Demon Wave is done in a cutscene (its a moment that can't be repeated with losing the intial impact). Roxas comes back earlier to be the 7th.
MX sacrifices himself to complete the X-Blade and has his will send it back through time to the version of himself that would put it to the best use.
New Boss: MX in TKbGy
New Final Boss: "Peak" Xehanort. This is post-training adult Xehanort at the absolute peak of both physical fitness and keyblade mastery.
you basically just described an entire new game o.o
y'all really want to play on that patch of dirt huh
I want to see Xehanort and Eraqus’ slow-burn, one-sided but actually not, tragic romance. And I guess to get a little exposition on how they viewed the legend of the age of fairytales.
The problem with KH3 is people naive enough to expect good storytelling in a Disney anime game.
As for the new secret bosses we gonna have, I'm more excited about the possibility of Yozora being one of them than anyone from X era. MoM included.
Riku vs Yozora would be the matchup of 2019 and the climax should take place at Square Enix's headquarters rooftops.
Realistically? I think the dlc will amount to perhaps 2 or 3 cutscenes regarding Xion's (and maybe Terra's) return. An extension of the KG sequence where we either have more 1v1s, or its a CoR style ting, and the secret episode? Anyone's guess tbh, but I'm leaning towards a Yozora boss fight.
To be honest, while I do appreciate the first two, and feel that they're somewhat necessary, I personally would have much preferred a radiant garden episode, with all the good stuff that would have come with it, over them. But that's just me. I'll see what the FM has to offer but it's definitely not a Day 1 buy or anything like that.
At the end of the day, I'd much rather KH expand more on its existing universe and concepts than a new gauntlet of boss fights, but both are equally as valid as the other; it is a game after all. I just wish that one didn't have to come at the expense of another.
The problem with KH3 is people naive enough to expect good storytelling in a Disney anime game.
I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with this. I don't think anyone here expected a masterpiece of story. It is Kingdom Hearts after all. We suffered through DDD and Re:Coded, and the fact that UX still exists means that much of the fanbase *knows* the general quality of the storytelling here.
And yet despite this KH3 was so lacklustre in all the ways that mattered most. After my initial introduction to the series through KH2, I couldn't give less of a stiff about Disney, and the fact that so much weight was given to it over FF, and more importantly, the original story and cast (which is what I'm willing to bet most of us are here for) is kinda bullshit.
Nomura set up so many interesting plots in the past 11 games and the resolution that we were given here was filled with replicas and gummiphones. That's low even by his standards.
I'm gonna put my two cents here what I think this DLC may be, I'll probably end up being wrong though:
ReMIND: We'll see Xion's death from Days and her waking up in a Laboratory, she retains her memories but she doesn't have the connection to her friends anymore because they don't remember her. We might get to see some behinds the scene stuff with the New Organization XIII and eventually lead up to the Keyblade Graveyard scene where the Organization reveals themselves in the Keyblade Graveyard. We could also hear Xion's Letter to her friends from the Orchestra World Tour way back, Kairi's Letter came in KH3 so why not Xions? Maybe even Namine and Terra's conversation as well?
Limit Cut/Break: Most likely a Cavern of Remembrance Scenario, I was hoping that Radiant Garden would return and the new CoR would show up there but Radiant Garden's return is very unlikely. The new Cavern of Remembrance could show up in either the Land of Departure or Keyblade Graveyard but probably the Keyblade Graveyard. I'd love to see a Vexen and Demyx fight in this DLC.
Secret Episode: Riku going through some worlds that Sora visited to try to track where Sora could've gone, he eventually ends up in Galaxy Toys and goes inside the Verum Rex game for unknown reasons.
Also since JP is getting an English Voice Option maybe we can get JP voices?
Last thing is that I think like Audo said before, the free Keyblade will be based off the Flans.
What the heck, I'll just go ahead and say my dream ReMIND scenario in full regardless of how likely any of it is.
Sora saving Kairi rewinded time again, but now it wound all the way back to the start of the game, except Sora has been erased from the timeline. The ReMIND scenario is a complete replay of KH3 with Kairi as the lead with new scenes/party/bosses. Kairi is the only character to retain a vague memory of the previous timeline. Just enough to know what happened to Sora and she still has her training and can skip that this time around. She, Donald, and Goofy go on a journey to find a means of saving Sora.
Olympus: Kairi gets training from Phil that's harsher than what Merlin's furniture targets, which toughens her up a bit more. She pursues Hades as he's a God of the dead and she wonders if he is capable of bringing back Sora. Doesn't go well.
New Boss: Hades on his flying chariot
TT: we finally get the scene of Kairi at the mansion. Some scenes of her meeting Namine's will and Xion's revival.
New boss: Hooded Xion
Toybox: Takes place on the other half of the split world. Still no humans, they all fell to heartless but are restored by end of the game.
New Party: Jessie
New Boss: Zurg
Corona: Kairi learns more about her PoH status while teaming with Rapunzel.
New Boss: Marluxia
Arendelle: plottwist reveal, Kairi isn't a PoH anymore as her death to make the XBlade counts as losing it in the same way as the other old princesses. This has carried over in the altered timeline.
New Party: Elsa
New Bosses: Hans, Larxene
Monsters Inc: With Kairi no longer a PoH, she now is capable of darkness which is utterly a foreign concept to her. Vanitas tries to exploit this by attempting to corrupt her before she learns to control her newfound darkness.
New Bosses: Vanitas, Randall piloting construction vehicles (operating under an unfounded premise that S-E lied about being able to make Randall a boss to keep it a surprise)
Caribbean: Kairi gets more involved in the film's events. The resurrections of Jack and Barbossa strike her as another opportunity for a means to bring back Sora. Doesn't work out.
New party: Will and Elisabeth
New boss: underwater Kraken fight
Sanfransokyo: The 2 Baymaxs and Riku brings up more possible of bringing back Sora as a replica or data copy. Data-Sora makes a long overdue cameo.
New Boss: Riku Replica and Reprogrammed Data Sora tag team (Kairi forced to fight her friends in a sense)
TKbGy/SaC: Destruction of the Demon Wave is done in a cutscene (its a moment that can't be repeated with losing the intial impact). Roxas comes back earlier to be the 7th.
MX sacrifices himself to complete the X-Blade and has his will send it back through time to the version of himself that would put it to the best use.
New Boss: MX in TKbGy
New Final Boss: "Peak" Xehanort. This is post-training adult Xehanort at the absolute peak of both physical fitness and keyblade mastery.
That would literally be a brand new full-length game. It'd be dope, though. A Witcher 3 type expansion.
We walk around
and spot
a trash heap.
“lackluster all the ways it mattered most”
Depends on what matters to you. I wanted trinity trio goodness and I got it.
I’ve been laughing at these games’ attempts at poignance (and appreciating the few moments/aspects where they got it right, like the SDG trio) since 2002. KH3’s just plenty livelier than usual. Not sure why folks are late to the program in terms of “Kingdom Hearts stories are structurally messy and flooded with laughable contrivances and complications for the sake of it” when they’ve had 17 years to get used to it!
Not that it really means anything, but the term "Limit Cut" was also used in the original KHX. Once a card has been upgraded to its max level, players could use Limit Cuts to raise the level even further.
After my initial introduction to the series through KH2, I couldn't give less of a stiff about Disney, and the fact that so much weight was given to it is kinda bullshit.
I mean at the end of the day it is and always will be a Disney game, and in every game we spend 80% of the game in Disney worlds. Them actually treating the worlds better and expanding on them and making them full and detailed and such was a good thing in my eyes. It felt like the first time the Disney worlds actually got close to their potential in a long time and the way they reinforce key themes and concepts throughout was nice.
| Nomura set up so many interesting plots in the past 11 games and the resolution that we were given here was filled with replicas and gummiphones. That's low even by his standards. |
Personally I liked the use of replicas here. It felt like finally tying together what felt like an out of nowhere random plotline from CoM and bringing it full circle. I never expected them to actually deal with the ramifications of bringing these people back (I honestly thought it was just going to be some handwaved Disney Magic style thing as to why they can exist again) so for the series to actually go through the trouble of providing an actual explanation for that worked for me. I'm also a sucker for the antagonists undoings being brought about by their own terrible actions.
Also, the gummiphone is good. Sometimes you gotta let yourself have fun.
I know some people balked at the bit where Jiminy gives them all gummiphones and summaries and in some sense yeah it is a cop-out, but at the same time, do we really want scene after scene of the characters not understanding basic concepts about each other and having to explain it over and over again? Now the series can jump off of that point into new territory between the characters instead of them all playing catch up.
If anything, the gummiphone was criminally underutilized.
We should've been able to call Riku and Kairi (and later the remaining guardians) whenever we wanted, and have some dialogue writers go nuts with interactions.
Instead we got Ienzposition for days.
If people are already mass critiquing, despising, and spitting such little info on a DLC (Basically Final Mix), then what's the point of being hyped for any future KH game at this point?
Yeah one thing I would have loved is if other characters called you while you're exploring the worlds as field banter.
Also the fact that we can't take selfies with the OCs is criminal.
I'm really hoping future DLC expands on the gummiphone a bit more and I definitely want it to be a feature in all the games to follow.
Master Xehanort: "Alexa, remind me to start the Keyblade War at 7:13pm."
At this point in my life, I just want character interactions. Namine, Xion and Kairi didn't get to say a single word to each other in the game, for example. And that sort of thing is where my interest lies more than secret bosses or any new plots.
I just got back from Avengers: Endgame, and there's a reason why those movies have worked as well and as long as they have. And it's not just punching aliens. The scenes that hold it all together are the smaller interactions, and KH3 didn't have enough of them.
relatedly, it would have been adorable if data-sora/data-riku functioned like siri on the gummiphones
Yozora does seem like the obvious choice for a secret boss. Those are usually used to tie into a future game. There is also the possibility of an antagonist from TWEWY to be a secret boss as well
If people are already mass critiquing, despising, and spitting such little info on a DLC (Basically Final Mix), then what's the point of being hyped for any future KH game at this point?
Trust me, some people just love to complain no matter what (Sonic fanbase is one of the worst at this; I know because I used to be majorly involved in it). You shouldn't let these complaints stop you from being hyped for a game. Just because most people don't like a game doesn't mean nobody should like it.
At this point in my life, I just want character interactions. Namine, Xion and Kairi didn't get to say a single word to each other in the game, for example. And that sort of thing is where my interest lies more than secret bosses or any new plots.
I just got back from Avengers: Endgame, and there's a reason why those movies have worked as well and as long as they have. And it's not just punching aliens. The scenes that hold it all together are the smaller interactions, and KH3 didn't have enough of them.
It's funny, I was waiting all game to see what Kairi's reaction would be to seeing one of the seekers wearing her face. And nothing happened. Not even a Roxas/Ventus meme moment. For all of KH's jokes about the series, they really didn't take advantage of the large cast of clone characters all together. Would have been hilarious if Aqua or Ventus mistook Xion for Namine who they heard Sora mention at the meeting, or heck maybe they think she's still Kairi and ask what she did to herself. Of course that would require them to actually interact with one another. The lack of interactions between all the main characters was my major gripe with the game, above any difficulty level.
It's funny, I was waiting all game to see what Kairi's reaction would be to seeing one of the seekers wearing her face. And nothing happened. Not even a Roxas/Ventus meme moment. For all of KH's jokes about the series, they really didn't take advantage of the large cast of clone characters all together. Would have been hilarious if Aqua or Ventus mistook Xion for Namine who they heard Sora mention at the meeting, or heck maybe they think she's still Kairi and ask what she did to herself. Of course that would require them to actually interact with one another. The lack of interactions between all the main characters was my major gripe with the game, above any difficulty level.
They had a moment in the Keyblade Graveyard where Roxas/Ventus looking the same was mentioned.
I really wish the original characters didn't vanish after their fights in the Keyblade Graceyard. They should leave them there with idle dialogue/picture dialogue/specific dialogue when spoken to. I'm hoping for some location to open up where you can take a group selfie with all of them or hear them talking to each other like the other NPCs.
relatedly, it would have been adorable if data-sora/data-riku functioned like siri on the gummiphones
Yozora does seem like the obvious choice for a secret boss. Those are usually used to tie into a future game. There is also the possibility of an antagonist from TWEWY to be a secret boss as well
Subject X/Skuld as the secret boss would be interesting.
It's funny, I was waiting all game to see what Kairi's reaction would be to seeing one of the seekers wearing her face. And nothing happened. Not even a Roxas/Ventus meme moment. For all of KH's jokes about the series, they really didn't take advantage of the large cast of clone characters all together. Would have been hilarious if Aqua or Ventus mistook Xion for Namine who they heard Sora mention at the meeting, or heck maybe they think she's still Kairi and ask what she did to herself. Of course that would require them to actually interact with one another. The lack of interactions between all the main characters was my major gripe with the game, above any difficulty level.
The additional scenario "ReMIND" could very much be our Riku DLC, but it's just wishful thinking for now.
In Re: Chain of Memories his scenario is called Reverse/Rebirth. "ReMIND" actually fits what he and Mickey are doing in the beginning - Retrace Aqua's steps. It also fits Riku Replica/Naminé plotline and we have an in-game model for Naminé that still wasn't used.
A man can dream!
Please have additional scenes with other characters interacting with each other :D
I would enjoy a scenario where they ReMIND players of Sora's connection to everyone in short chapters(DLC).
The problem with KH3 is people naive enough to expect good storytelling in a Disney anime game.
I mean, it definitely can be done. It's not like Nomura is a terrible writer. At least, not in my humble opinion. But it's like what other people have said here before, he needs a co-writer, and there's absolutely no shame in having one. Nomura's the idea guy, why not have Tai Yasue help him out with cleaning things up and making the plot smoother and easier to understand? He's been in the franchise long enough, I'm sure he's got a strong enough idea of what the series represents.
I don't think it's the ideas that people have an issue with, it's the execution in how it's done. DDD had the whole Time Travel plot point added in, but required a bunch of rules that confused a ton of people. I honestly feel like if DDD didn't have time travel as a big plot point, or maybe reworked it so it's not as convoluted... Or even introduce the Worldline concept in DDD itself, a lot of issues wouldn't be there. In fact, a lot of the issues I'm hearing now started from DDD.
People had issues with 0.2, but only because we thought that we were going to save Aqua there, and because people felt Mickey just abandoned her (even though Yen Sid tells Riku right then and there that if anyone had said anything, Riku or Sora (DEFINITELY Sora) would stage a reckless attempt at a rescue... And not to mention that Mickey himself didn't know how he was gonna leave at the time).
The only other time people really had issues with the series other than DDD is Union X, because that's way too much lore for a game that's pay-to-win and isn't all that rewarding. Now, if we got a console remake in the vein of FFXIV, that'd be a dream come true... But since we're visiting Disney worlds, that's probably a lot of legal licensing headaches that might not be what Square wants to deal with right now, seeing as how they're working on the DLC and the next title (among FF7R and any other potential titles they've got over there). So an excellent story can be done, it just needs proper polishing and extra focus on certain things.
Nomura's analogy at today's concert for when to expect more DLC news was "when hydrangeas bloom" lol
If people are already mass critiquing, despising, and spitting such little info on a DLC (Basically Final Mix), then what's the point of being hyped for any future KH game at this point?
They're just venting. Most of the time when people say they're done, I feel like they're not actually done and will come back in due time. But if not, eh, it happens with every entry. This is the first time in the height of the social media era that we're getting a Kingdom Hearts game with a Final Mix iteration, as downloadable content. As well, a lot of people's entryway into the series would probably be the HD collections, so to many, the games on the disc are what always existed. They probably think "Final Mix" is a fancy title for porting it onto the PS3 and PS4, so when you hear people complain about DLC and "I wanted to buy a complete game", they're unaware that this has been a thing from the very first game.
As for long-time fans, I think in their case for some, it's skepticism that it's not going to fix the "broken" state of KH3 that it's in. And while I don't think it's broken, it's a fully-playable and filled game front to back, there are places that could use a bit more polishing or plot points that could be fleshed out more. Not to mention, Nomura said himself that he wanted to explain Xion's return. And since it's clear from the Critical Mode and NG+ features, they're listening. I think the DLC will deliver, but you can't win everyone over. Just have to wait until June to really see what we're getting, other than that, it could go either way.
Kairi could use an extended DLC segment alongside Riku. Actually show her training with Lea and maybe play as her in a world such as Twilight Town. Probably won't happen though
I am not sure if that really would change much because even if we see her training we will still know that she was weak as a fighter at the end. Also would wonder if they would really take all the time to create a whole new battle style for her either. (Which is why I doubt we would get anyone other than Aqua or Riku as playable but maybe I will be surprised)
Still surprised that peopel are truly saying that KH3 was an unfinished game. Just because it did not have certain things in it, it was still finished. Anything else is just the cherry on the top.
Edit: Also Nomura, you little troll ?
I want my Aqua Bae to be playable again <3
A Riku's scenario seems such an obvious thing to do. There's a lot of potential for this game - A Riku's scenario, Kairi's scenario, Xehanort's scenario... If we don't even get the most obvious one, I won't know what to feel...
As for the free DLC, the rest of Twilight Town and Mysterious Tower should be included. It just seems fair. Twilight Town is smaller than ever and Mysterious Tower gameplay was showed in some trailers.
Yeah agreed on your Theory
Wow some serious bitterness and cynicism over here about the news, seems a lot of people on this forum weren't a fan of the finale. Yeah Its clear that more effort was put into the Disney side of things than the main story, the lack of trios interacting with each other was a let down, there were some janky cutscenes that screamed poor handling of Unreal Engine and attraction rides were a gimmick from their first trailer reveal (luckily fixed in Critical Mode) but come on drop the hyperbole that it's an "unfinished game", because it isn't. It didn't live up to KH2 but replaying it on Critical Mode again it was clear that a huge amount of effort was put into the game, just not in the original worlds where we'd thought it would be.
I know Xion is involved but I hope it doesn't focus too much on characters we already know about, we really dont even need a Xion DLC. Nomura seems to work best when he has momentum with an idea so I'd rather the DLC be more aimed towards Young Xehanort's travels and life in Scala or even a glimpse into the future of the series, something new. They already have some places like Radiant Garden and the WoD from what we've seen in 0.2 and the cutscenes. I think one of the biggest burns for KH3 is that there was nothing new sans the Lich, X and the Final World, and every other plot development was too formulaic compared to the previous games.
Interesting that theyre going with the name "ReMIND". I read someone else say that its not noteworthy as other titles in Kingdom Hearts (and also TWEWY) use the "Re" format. But there is something noteworthy in that all of those games were remakes or re-releases. And every single KH spinoff title has a plot relevant meaning so far
Re:CoM was a remake of CoM for PS2
Re:Coded was a remake of Coded for DS
ReMixes were HD ports of TWEWY and the KH games
So the "ReMIND" implies the DLC will have something to do with revisiting, remasters, remakes, re-doing something.
One thing I'm a little confused about--is this still one paid DLC or has it essentially been split into three paid DLC "episodes"?
One thing I'm a little confused about--is this still one paid DLC or has it essentially been split into three paid DLC "episodes"?
If Nomura doesn't change his mind, its just one paid DLC pack with everything for now.
I wonder what the new keyblade and form will be. I hope they’re flashy and useful.
Nomura's analogy at today's concert for when to expect more DLC news was "when hydrangeas bloom" lol
I attended the first showing, where he said "when the rain comes". Was that perhaps at one of the other two showings? It would make sense, as both clearly allude to the rainy season at the end of June.
Edit: But I'm really posting in this thread because of this:
Japanese has no singular and plural. Everyone is assuming that there is one new keyblade and form change, but there's no implication of it being just one. Sure, it could be just one, but (going by the language used) it's just as likely to be two or more.
Another Edit: Found the hydrangea thing on Twitter. I was wondering if they would do the exact same announcements at each of the three showings. It sounds like they mostly did, except today Nomura first joked that surely everyone already knew what he was going to say from social media. Then he changed the reference to the rainy season, and ended on another joke about all the concert hall's surrounding convenience stores being sold out of onigiri — which would not at all surprise me given the timing (12:30 start) and the huge queues.
It'd be cool if there was an additional boss for each of the worlds. Olympus could have the Cyclops, Toy Box Zurg, The Caribbean Giant mermaid heartless etc.
Yozora is too expected. I'm all for someone from TWEWY. Namely Sho Minamimoto because he is the best and has the biggest hype behind him.
Sho would be a good choice. I was also thinking Megumi Kitaniji as well.
I hope the secret boss is another obscure Disney character like Julius lol.
I hope the secret boss is another obscure Disney character like Julius lol.
Headless Horseman or we riot.
the secret boss is Homophobia from Disney's Love, Simon
Sora's toughest foe yet
Phantom Blot secret boss and KH III might've actually been worth it all along.
The name ReMIND reminds me of the reconnect usually seen at the end of every secret episode. I feel like it might focus on the fore tellers more given their naming convention being the sins which are essentially mind related. Also they would make for good boss fights so I could see the new CoR type area being for battling each foreteller and maybe Luxu too.
I just hope I can get a picture I've been trying to work on since February done before the DLC hits. XD
Sho would be a good choice. I was also thinking Megumi Kitaniji as well.
KINGDOM HEARTS III ReMIND Scenario = Episode Young Xehanort where we explore Xehanort's past, his apparent corruption by darkness, and KHx/KHUx lore exposure, acting as a bridge to the next KH game.
Secret Episode: Two hour campaign of Riku trying to find Sora.
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Episode Axel?
I want Nomura as the secret boss. C’mon make it happen!
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Episode Axel?
Quinton is very involved in the community so I'm not surprised he's having some fun with the speculation surrounding those proofs, but if anything, I'd take this more as an indication of general VO work being done. Axel's story has been covered well; an entire episode on him seems like a waste to me.
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Episode Axel?
Odd that he'd just come out of the blue and egg people on like that, lol. Consider me curious.
Quinton is very involved in the community so I'm not surprised he's having some fun with the speculation surrounding those proofs, but if anything, I'd take this more as an indication of general VO work being done. Axel's story has been covered well; an entire episode on him seems like a waste to me.
I figured if Axel did get his own DLC story it would be used to reveal more about Subject X/Skuld
Just heard about all this today. Sounds like it will be a good time to me. I'll be happy to pay a little more to get a new experience.
Hopefully the team will get some time to rest when the dlc is done.
I figured if Axel did get his own DLC story it would be used to reveal more about Subject X/Skuld
I get that, but a character who was more involved with the Subject X subplot might be a better fit?
KINGDOM HEARTS III ReMIND Scenario = Episode Young Xehanort where we explore Xehanort's past, his apparent corruption by darkness, and KHx/KHUx lore exposure, acting as a bridge to the next KH game.
Secret Episode: Two hour campaign of Riku trying to find Sora.
I did find it interesting that Xehanort yelled out "one sky, one destiny!" At first it seemed like something Kairi came up with for her letter, but now I feel like it may have been something in her (from her past?) that is linked to KHUX. It would be interesting to actually delve into what Xehanort found out about the KHUX era. It seems he knows about Lauriam/Elrena/Urlod/Emyd's keyblade history (which bothered Marluxia).
I get that, but a character who was more involved with the Subject X subplot might be a better fit?
I did find it interesting that Xehanort yelled out "one sky, one destiny!" At first it seemed like something Kairi came up with for her letter, but now I feel like it may have been something in her (from her past?) that is linked to KHUX. It would be interesting to actually delve into what Xehanort found out about the KHUX era. It seems he knows about Lauriam/Elrena/Urlod/Emyd's keyblade history (which bothered Marluxia).
Also I think you're the second person I've seen to use "Emyd" for Demyx's real name.
The first person being myself.
Well the tease from Axels VA could simply be that he will be part of the extra cutscenes involving Xion. Maybe a small little part after Sora left them behind in the graveyard.
Or they are truly going to show us their training.
Like Ansem SoD? It'd be down with that.
This just reminded me that we still never played as a proper Nort throughout the entire Xehanort saga minus the multiplayer in Days so yes please.
Everything I have heard about this DLC from people at the Orchestra has gotten me pretty hyped. This is basically what I expected/wanted for additional content.
I just Quinton's thing too. The fact he points out the proofs specifically is interesting, if anything it just cements my thoughts that they are related to Oathkeeper and Oblivion.
I wouldnt mind the new keyblade being a sort of fusion between Oathkeeper and Oblivion. The new form could just be Sora dual wielding both keyblades and possibly using some of Roxas' moves
There is an apparent, unexplored storyline regarding Master Xehanort, seeing as how his chessgame persona has grey eyes and round ears, while the rest of the iterations of pointy and yellow. Like Riku would say, it smells like darkness, lol.
There is an apparent, unexplored storyline regarding Master Xehanort, seeing as how his chessgame persona has grey eyes and round ears, while the rest of the iterations of pointy and yellow. Like Riku would say, it smells like darkness, lol.
It's even more odd when you consider that the younger, DI version of Young Xehanort had yellow eyes and pointed ears too. I wonder darkness seems to mutate him more readily than other characters. Like Riku, despite embracing the darkness, didn't inherent those same traits during Kh1. But that's all been pointed out before I guess.
DDD YMX didn't have pointed ears. YMX isn't shown with pointed ears until KH3 (and even then, that was changed during development as you can see in the Toy Box trailer he has round ears).
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honestly, to me it seems the original idea was that gold eyes just were xehanort's natural eye colour and pointed ears was a sign of immense darkness, which is why ddd ymx has gold eyes but not pointed ears. then they decided that they wanted gold eyes to be a sign of darkness and not specifically xehanort so they retconned him to have silver eyes even as this caused inconsistency with a bunch of stuff.
(also probably further supported by the fact that scala xehanort also used to have gold eyes lol)
I get that, but a character who was more involved with the Subject X subplot might be a better fit?
If I recall correctly, the most vocal character about Subject X was Isa followed by Terranort then Lea. If this additional episode is set during the events of Kingdom Hearts III then getting Lea's perspective makes sense because he's the only protagonist during that period of the game.
However, if it's set after the events of Kingdom Hearts III, then Lea being central still makes sense. When Isa found Subject X, he found her with Lea. Either way, Axel is connected to Subject X even if he isn't the strongest connection (even if you completely ignore the theory of Skuld and Xion being connected).
I'm convinced they fixed it so the ingredients dialogue (not just Donald's, but in general) don't pop up nearly as often, and boy did I appreciate it!
I'm convinced they fixed it so the ingredients dialogue (not just Donald's, but in general) don't pop up nearly as often, and boy did I appreciate it!
Really ? because i get those like every 2 minutes
Maybe they only change it if you're playing Critical Mode and play it very well. :p It's like your reward! Guess you'd better get better at the game!
(I'm kiddin', but I still find it peculiar I only heard it twice throughout my entire Critical playthrough and mainly heard Sora and Goofy's lines more often)
Maybe they only change it if you're playing Critical Mode and play it very well. :p It's like your reward! Guess you'd better get better at the game!
(I'm kiddin', but I still find it peculiar I only heard it twice throughout my entire Critical playthrough and mainly heard Sora and Goofy's lines more often)
I'm playing on crit too so yeah lmao
I wonder how much will get added to the plot to make it a bit more sensible / not having everything off screen? I thought KHII:FM did a good job of remedying this issue.
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