KINGDOM HEARTS Missing Link Coming 2024!
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- Published on October 30, 2023 @ 06:06 am
- Written by Sign
Square Enix has dropped a brand new teaser trailer for KINGODM HEARTS Missing-Link, showing off new cutscenes and gameplay footage, along with a 2024 release window.
A closed beta test will also be held. Prospective testers from the United Kingdom and Australia will be able to apply on the official website from October 30th at 12:00am PDT to November 15th, 2023.
Series Director Tetsuya Nomura shared this message:
We've got some information that we'd like to share not just with fans, but with the general audience, so please check out this video. Details will be announced later on by the management team.
This video is only a brief introduction, but the narration has been changed to Brain's since the initial announcement*, and the content shown is how it will appear in the final game.
*TN: previous trailer had a different speaker
COMMENTS
OMG!!! The graphical improvement since the reveal is insane! As a Ux fan I was already excited for this but this trailer just cranked that up. I will literally abandon every other mobile game I'm currently playing just to devote my life to this. The only complaint I have is the vague 2024 release window. When in 2024? January? December? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Thank you, Sign! This being posted at 3pm Japan time takes me back to waiting for your UX updates. Can’t wait for everyone in the West to wake up to this. Lol
Some quick thoughts:
- I love the emphasis on traveling the world without stepping outside. Since it looks like you can really go anywhere as you choose, I could see it working on PC eventually.
- Wasn’t expecting the CBT to start right away. Ever Crisis launched about two months after its CBT ended. So maybe they’re targeting late January around the 5th anniversary of KH3 for the full release? I could also see them waiting til later in the year though when the weather warms up some. (Though again this might not matter if you don’t have to go outside.)
(EDIT: Gues it’s just recruitment starting right away and the iOS Test starts late November. The Android beta test is in January per the website, so guessing they’re aiming for Spring 2024 for the full release.)
- Interested to see how the Disney worlds work. I’m guessing these “distortions” take you to them. But guessing they won’t be fully explorable.
- I wonder if we’ll get an English dub. I’m expecting not since Ever Crisis’ cutscenes aren’t dubbed.
- I love how good Scala looks. It seems we can freely explore it which I’m excited for. It’ll be nice to spend downtime there rather than in a menu
- Any idea what world we saw around :49? Thought Corona again at first, but there were palm trees which seems like it would be either the Caribbean, Destiny Islands, or maybe Neverland?
Edit:
The JP website has been updated with a lot of info on the beta. https://t.co/bMs4Lt6bv2
English too:
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It’ll have PS4 and PS5 controller support!
Awww man, why does the CBT have to be Japan exclusive again?
I was excited to jump into the test until I actually read the FAQ stating that it’s actually starting November 29th ?
Awww man, why does the CBT have to be Japan exclusive again?
It’s also in the UK and Australia!
A couple more interesting tidbits from the site from the safety guidelines:
- If it wasn’t obvious, there will be an AR mode of some sort where you’ll be able to take pictures.
- There will be a hands free feature where you can auto-battle Heartless you pass by without looking at your phone. It will also auto-interact with recovery spots to restore your HP and MP. Guessing these recovery spots are like Pokestops in Pokemon Go?
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I hate this so much ? news at random o’clock? It’s just like the old days except now I’m old and only my insomnia allowed me to wake up to see this.
Sort of mad this game isn’t coming to consoles but has console controller support XD like please just cut out the middle man and let me play this dumb game on my PS5 like the loser I am.
Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in...
So anyway, after letting everyone know how much I disliked the previous mobile games and thought this one was even sillier, I applied to the Beta testing for Missing Link
:V
Sort of mad this game isn’t coming to consoles but has console controller support XD like please just cut out the middle man and let me play this dumb game on my PS5 like the loser I am.
Like honestly... My phones battery will likely die playing this, or may not even be able to play it well. They even have a way to play without leaving your house.
Also sad I won't be able to get my hands on this like half an year at best. Hopefully the closed beta this time isn't surrounded by as much secrecy as last time and I can at least SEE how the game is.
Also...Oh how I missed fan speculation over possible worlds being in.
Previously I would've thought that they'd save Moana for KH4, but Wreck-It Ralph was wasted on Ux after all so who knows?
Looks SO much better than the initial trailer, but did anyone else get an acute sense of fatigue trying to watch it? This trailer felt so damn hectic and throwing a bunch of stuff at you way too quick. Otherwise, looks fun, certainly much more fun than UX/Dark Road. I'll play it. Still waiting for KH4 news though.
I don't know if anyone noticed but at the 19 seconds mark the voice sounds like Uchiyama Kouki, the japanese voice of Ventus and Roxas. New character? Ventus? Let the speculation begin.
Before him it seems to be Makoto Furukawa, new voice in KH but is known to voice Saitama in One Punch Man, Shirogane Miyuki in Kaguya sama wa kokurasetai and Taiju in Doctor Stone. I'll try to identify more Va but for now those are the ones I immediately recognized
Wow, the graphics really have improved so much from that first trailer. Really looking forward to this. Hope we do get an English dub.
The lack of an English dub is definitely bumming me out. I’ll keep my fingers crossed but looking at Ever Crisis makes me doubtful. You’d think they’d have recorded the VAs by now.
Excited though. Love that there’s now officially an Astral Plane in KH. Seems like it could be what connects “reality” with “unreality”?
Graphics are improved in fidelity but not in style. KHUX had distinctive art direction. COM had distinctive art direction. True both were down to hardware constraints but still, they made something of them.
This just looks bland and unimaginative in comparison.
Well…f***.
There goes my vacation funds…
And my PS Portal funds…
And my Steam Summer Sale funds…
And my wallet…
And my savings…
On a slightly more serious note, please, please have smartwatch support. I cannot stress just how many accidents Pokémon Go has caused in the past, some being fatal. The franchise may be a tad more niche, but it’s still popular enough that some of its fan base are bound to get into accidents.
Graphics are improved in fidelity but not in style. KHUX had distinctive art direction. COM had distinctive art direction. True both were down to hardware constraints but still, they made something of them.
This just looks bland and unimaginative in comparison.
What did you expect? Another art style shift when they can just use the KH3 style?
Also sad I won't be able to get my hands on this like half an year at best. Hopefully the closed beta this time isn't surrounded by as much secrecy as last time and I can at least SEE how the game is.
Also...Oh how I missed fan speculation over possible worlds being in.
Players can share content from the CBT per the website!
And yeah, it doesn’t look like any of the worlds from KH3. It doesn’t match the realism of the Caribbean. Destiny Islands maybe, but this would be a completely new location if that’s it. There’s also emphasis on “Disney worlds” at that part, so I don’t think it’s an original one.
Players can share content from the CBT per the website!
And yeah, it doesn’t look like any of the worlds from KH3. It doesn’t match the realism of the Caribbean. Destiny Islands maybe, but this would be a completely new location if that’s it.
What if it's a remade Neverland
We'd have to see if it'll run nicely on my OnePlus Nord when it comes in full release, otherwise I'll be playing it on my 'puter with emulators.
Well…f***.
There goes my vacation funds…
And my PS Portal funds…
And my Steam Summer Sale funds…
And my wallet…
And my savings...
Well who needed a Steam Deck or Switch 2 anyway?
Or a new kidney?
Lol. As for me, since I'm on a limited income anyway and I need to make sure to save for parts for a PC rebuild, among other things (like stuff for what I term the OH CRAP list for my NEW CAR, I think you guys can imagine what that would be; also need money for the 'con fund); This game's going to be total free to play unless I have to buy the actual game for me. I'm sure it's possible; I did the other two F2P or almost NO paying for stuff, and my Google Rewards account is pretty fat atm. So I should be good.^^
After 20 years of incredibly solid character designs, I can finally say that KH fell off hard with the new characters seen in this trailer
What did you expect? Another art style shift
Uh yeah? From the way you write that it’s like you think that’s some outlandish thing from a series that has thrived on doing just that.
when they can just use the KH3 style?
That’s the problem. The medium is the message and this medium doesn’t mesh with “the KH3 style”.
Here it looks generic and nothing like KH3, which, although uninspired at times, makes up for it with some truly outstanding art direction and technical feats in others. Part of the problem I had with KH3 was no longer having any major constraints in the same way they had with other consoles. That meant less innovative ways to transcend those constraints were needed. Made the whole thing less artful than previous entries despite obviously being technically superior.
Same thing with Missing Link vs other portable KH games.
And I said I wasn't going to play this game, welp I'm eating my words now! The steampunk aesthetic really sells it for me and the KH3 graphics don't look bad for a mobile game. Gives me hope for KH4.
After 20 years of incredibly solid character designs, I can finally say that KH fell off hard with the new characters seen in this trailer
Yeah, the red head is…bland and he looks unfinished. The new “Kairi’s Grandmother” is fine if not a bit…bland. The player character is boring.
The world itself is cool but character aesthetics are not there. Bland and boring aren’t descriptors we should be using here lol
What if it's a remade Neverland
That was one of my thoughts earlier! I’d love to go back there.
I wonder if Disney worlds could be tied to real world locations/environments. Like if you’re near woods, you would have more battles set in Corona. Or if you’re near the coast, you could see more island environments like Neverland, etc. If you’re in a city, you could San Fransokyo, Monstropolis, etc.
I think the girl who might be Xehanort’s granny looks fine. Not crazy about the red haired dude with the different shade of red jacket. His hair clashes too much with the jacket in my opinion. The jackets seem to be a society uniform since both of those characters are wearing it, so we’ll probably see more NPCs sporting them. Maybe these are just minor characters compared to Brain, Sigurd, etc. who have unique styles.
Here it looks generic and nothing like KH3, which, although uninspired at times, makes up for it with some truly outstanding art direction and technical feats in others. Part of the problem I had with KH3 was no longer having any major constraints in the same way they had with other consoles. That meant less innovative ways to transcend those constraints were needed. Made the whole thing less artful than previous entries despite obviously being technically superior.
Same thing with Missing Link vs other portable KH games.
I think KH3 shined most during the Caribbean and Secret Episode, where they were once again pushing the limits of the hardware and finding unique methods of hiding imperfections and pushing aesthetic.
I saw an area that reminded me a lot of you the 101 Dalmatians version of London but it might just be another area of Scala Ad Caleum. Still got my finger crossed tho
The new “Kairi’s Grandmother” is fine if not a bit…bland.
I think the girl who might be Xehanort’s granny looks fine.
Interestingly, my first reaction to her was that she looks very similar to what I'm expecting the Norse goddess associated with things like intelligence, wisdom, and/or knowledge to look like. You know, the one who will eventually become Eraqus's grandmother. Even the dog collar she is wearing sort-of matches: Of course I could never have predicted that particular detail, but some kind of visible weird quirk definitely is expected.
And of course, being Eraqus's grandma doesn't exclude her from being Xehanort's one as well... :LOL:
I saw something on Twitter about every location in the game not being Disney worlds persay but have motifs from various franchises. Like Kingdom of Corona isn't going to be in the game but I suppose an area of it is just part of Scala?
I think there was a Nomura interview that says something like that.
Missing Link takes place before Dark Road right? I think I remember Xehanort saying that Scala is the Nexus from which all worlds sprung, so I guess we might see locations of Disney Worlds but not many characters?
Though the Book of Prophecies seems to still give us powers from characters that don't exist yet so maybe if you go to a location, you can meet future Characters?
Interestingly, my first reaction to her was that she looks very similar to what I'm expecting the Norse goddess associated with things like intelligence, wisdom, and/or knowledge to look like. You know, the one who will eventually become Eraqus's grandmother. Even the dog collar she is wearing sort-of matches: Of course I could never have predicted that particular detail, but some kind of visible weird quirk definitely is expected.
And of course, being Eraqus's grandma doesn't exclude her from being Xehanort's one as well... :LOL:
Did I miss Eraqus’ grandmother being revealed somewhere? I know it was suggested that Brain is his grandfather.
These are all the Disney characters that have new models:
Aladdin, Tinker Bell, Jafar, Lucifer, Pinocchio, Jasmine, Flora (red fairy), Abu, Ms.Teappot and Chip, Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland, Queen from Wonderland, Merryweather (blue fairy), Cinderella, The talking Wardrobe, Snow White
The last person I could tell I think is Prince Florian from Snow White?
The last person I could tell I think is Prince Florian from Snow White?
you're right it is him.
I am suspicious about those being new models. It looks to me like the old wireframes were brought in with new textures and glossy UE lighting.
For me the main problem is the one that all characters models since 0.2 have, which is the lighting/shaders. They look like wax or plastic. NPC's and the pieces too.
In 3 they fixed it a lot, although it is still noticeable, but it seems that we are back to Terra in the 0.2 demo.
For me the main problem is the one that all characters models since 0.2 have, which is the lighting/shaders. They look like wax or plastic. NPC's and the pieces too.
In 3 they fixed it a lot, although it is still noticeable, but it seems that we are back to Terra in the 0.2 demo.
It's most obvious on the red haired guy. It's not my favorite design, but it is feels very intentional to contrast "reality" vs "unreality".
I am suspicious about those being new models. It looks to me like the old wireframes were brought in with new textures and glossy UE lighting.
Noticed this too, instantly got a "hire this man" vibe from the way they 'updated' the models.
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We found 'em, boys. We found The Missing Link!
And now it's time for a special edition of; The Weakest Link!
For those interested in how the gameplay works, this is a pretty good thread back from the prototype test. Of course, some things have changed. I wish we could get it fully translated, but Google translate can get you most of the gist.
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Something that may catch people off guard is that to play from home, you’ll need to use AP to do anything other than move around. Whereas if you actually go to the locations where the battles, etc. are, AP isn’t needed. I’m sure AP will be monetized somehow for those who want to play from home.
I'm very of two minds when it comes to Missing-Link. On the one hand, Dark Road was really well written and had a lot of fun character interactions and interesting ideas. I did enjoy meeting new characters in a new era and getting to know them and how they maybe reflect current characters; especially when it's done competently like Dark Road (and not fully hampered by being a drip-feed mobile game like Union Cross).
With the Kingdom Hearts team getting a more varied selection of writers (after 10 years of only Oka and Nomura), I am very optimistic toward the games having a fresh feeling at least, much like Dark Road. What they presented and talked about so far is super intriguing, I love how independent this era of time is even from Union Cross and Dark Road, I am super excited to meet new characters and learn about new concepts (especially with one of the FFXIV writers being responsible for the script this time) ...
... but on the other hand, the fact that this is a freemium mobile game - much like Union Cross - leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I understand that this is probably something out of the creative teams control and that they no longer have a handheld market to fall back on instead, but still in terms of predatory gameplay, gameplay experience and ESPECIALLY game archival, it rings a lot of alarm bells.
Chi and Union Cross were allowed to run for 8 years or so, but Square has been much more cut throat with its mobile titles recently (see: First Soldier). I am worried about getting left with an incomplete experience a year after launch. Hopefully, Nomura has enough sway to still get his story out there somehow (and to eventually remake Chi, Dark Road and Missing-Link as console experiences)
My one biggest fear is thinking about how far Square is gonna go with drip feeding content. The Agrabah saga of X should stay in the past. I don't want to be gated with AP only to spend the next month chasing after a monkey and no story progress thank you.
... but on the other hand, the fact that this is a freemium mobile game - much like Union Cross - leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I understand that this is probably something out of the creative teams control and that they no longer have a handheld market to fall back on instead, but still in terms of predatory gameplay, gameplay experience and ESPECIALLY game archival, it rings a lot of alarm bells.
I mean Switch is there, MoM showed a perfectly good template for side games, obviously designed for Switch but also releasing on PS4/5/XBox/PC. Shame they didn't follow it up with a proper action RPG.
This should be too obvious for me to even say anything, but yea of course the "astral plane" that "connects reality and unreality" would be the actual real Earth's layout being filtered into a phone game's graphics
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Man it sure is nice to get some KH news again even if it's for a mobile game.
Also nice to hear some voice acting in the trailer which the other two games lacked so fingers crossed the game will feature it.
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Yeah these kinds of maps are standard for geolocation games. I’m not really surprised Nomura made a canon explanation for it, but I figured it was just going to be the larger world of Scala.
It does look better than other world maps for similar games though. And I don’t think we can expect super high quality for the GPS map when not even Google and Apple Maps generate 3D building models worldwide.
I’ve seen people suggest the robed person indicates story missions, but I don’t think that’s the case. Maybe they are mystery boss battles.
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It’s a Tonberry turned human.
It really does look like it has to be a Tonberry in some way, though it somehow also feels loaded to use the Sephiroth Clone imagery that was also referenced by robed ansem and org xiii
Did some digging and I think the hoods may be the area enemies talked about in this tweet:
https://x.com/renaalarie/status/1614084163434340352?s=46
They seem to be juiced up versions of regular Heartless.
That screen tearing, the rampant cuts to not really show off much, the floaty game"play"...yeah I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole. This should've been a console release.
That screen tearing, the rampant cuts to not really show off much, the floaty game"play"...yeah I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole. This should've been a console release.
It's funny how inherently fun and enjoyable it is to run around and smack Heartless around in KH games, only for SE to repeatedly ask "how can we impede and disrupt this gameplay loop with esoteric ideas?"
I mean I would respect an esoteric idea, or indeed, an "idea". Normal phone game BS is not even that though
Ads are starting to pop up! There’s a better look at the new world. I’m leaning Neverland, but something about it seems familiar that I can’t quite place.
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Nice to see Minnie get some respect.
KH3: “There is no violence in the Hundred Acre Wood. ?”
Missing Link: “Bludgeon Heartless with a statue of Winnie the Pooh. ?”
Blood and Honey world confirmed.
Ads are starting to pop up! There’s a better look at the new world. I’m leaning Neverland, but something about it seems familiar that I can’t quite place.
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Kind of reminds me of some of the islands from The Caribbean in KH3. Though with a bit less realism.
Any thoughts on this as the potential identity of Missing Link Mystery World?
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KH3: “There is no violence in the Hundred Acre Wood. ?”
Missing Link: “Bludgeon Heartless with a statue of Winnie the Pooh. ?”
Just like we did with Pooh medals in UX. Nothing new here.
Kind of reminds me of some of the islands from The Caribbean in KH3. Though with a bit less realism.
I bet that's exactly what it is. The same models rendered with simpler shaders (GPU programs), and possibly using lower resolution textures as well, to work around the limitations of mobile hardware.
Just like we did with Pooh medals in UX. Nothing new here.
Oh I didn’t say it was a novel concept. Pooh’s effigy has long been used as a weapon of war. What happens outside of the Hundred Acre Wood, stays outside of the Hundred Acre Wood.
I bet that's exactly what it is. The same models rendered with simpler shaders (GPU programs), and possibly using lower resolution textures as well, to work around the limitations of mobile hardware.
I did some poking around in KH3 because I have nothing better to do. The asset models for the trees and foliage seem pretty distinct from the Caribbean. I do think this game would be a great opportunity to cover the story of Dead Man’s Chest though. It is the “missing link” in the POTC story within KH after all.
A new screenshot with info about party forming was shared on the JP Twitter. We can see a couple new (I think) examples of Player characters. Basic gist seems to be you can start a new party as a leader or join an existing one with a passcode. You can also teleport with your whole party to the same location. For raids, if one member uses a raid ticket to participate in a raid, the other party members can participate as well without spending a ticket.
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They didn't spring to pay for likenesses of Pirates characters in MelMem, I'm not confident they WOULD for a phone-only game that probably won't be around for very long.
I keep forgetting this game is a thing
Emails for successful applicants go out this week. Only 1500 slots so I hope someone on the forum will get one.
I keep forgetting this game is a thing
It’s a little hard to believe the beta starts in just a few days. Ever Crisis was already up for pre-registration and had full on social media marketing leading up to its beta. I know this is a smaller scale CBT, but hoping we get some character artwork from Nomura to kick off (or wrap up) the beta at least.
People are starting to find out they were accepted for the CBT in Japan. Hope the UK and Australia folks won’t be too far behind!
Saw this. Unsure if we already had a clean version of this Dearly Beloved.
(Foghorn Leghorn voice) Now I say I say I do declare that I quite enjoy hearing a grand spanking new rendition of that there Dearly Beloved, well I, well I, I don't know too much 'bout that there new Missing Link game, seems a bit, y'know, well uh, a bit FOOLISH, a bit wet behind the ears, but the music is the cats meow, son!
Yoko Shimomura will drag the KH series across the finish line with nothing but her piano and ducktape by god.
Anyone here get the invite? The beta kicks off at 7:00 UTC tomorrow.
It’s a little hard to believe the beta starts in just a few days. Ever Crisis was already up for pre-registration and had full on social media marketing leading up to its beta. I know this is a smaller scale CBT, but hoping we get some character artwork from Nomura to kick off (or wrap up) the beta at least.
Cuz FF eats all its vegetables and does good in school
Saw this. Unsure if we already had a clean version of this Dearly Beloved.
I like it. The addition of a chorus is a nice touch and makes this rendition stand out.
Anyone here get the invite? The beta kicks off at 7:00 UTC tomorrow.
i know people are allowed to share videos and pics but i want to know if there is anyone starting a livestream tonight?
not sure if anyone is going to try to port it on the PC on the first day or if that will even be a thing, but i'm hoping, that just like KH3 some people are going to livestream it
i know people are allowed to share videos and pics but i want to know if there is anyone starting a livestream tonight?
not sure if anyone is going to try to port it on the PC on the first day or if that will even be a thing, but i'm hoping, that just like KH3 some people are going to livestream it
Here’s one from Japan:
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EDIT:
Looks like the game is built to show button controls for PlayStation controllers at least. This streamer appears to be using one and it shows X to jump, O to attack, L1+Square to use a statue, and Triangle to toggle auto battle. Looks like you can carry up to four character trophies and they’re assigned to L1+Square, Triangle, X, or O. So really not unlike using shortcuts in mainline games for magic/items. (I’ve actually wanted the main series to use shortcuts for equipped special attacks/magic like Sonic Blade, Mega Flare, etc. for a while.)
Mods, do we need a Spoilers thread for story details or spoiler tags? Or are we treating any story content in the beta as fair game to discuss openly?
To earn character pieces in the field, looks like you have to fight Keyblade wielding enemies. Looks like PVP could eventually be a thing.
Yoko Shimomura will drag the KH series across the finish line with nothing but her piano and ducktape by god.
FYI—it seems this particular arrangement of Dearly Beloved was done by Tomomichi Takeoka. A newcomer to the series, if I’m not mistaken? Very promising!
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English version:
English version:
The battle theme sounds a lot like Pirate’s Gigue. ?
(P.S. love the profile pic, MATGSY)
Looks a tad unwieldy. The UI seems to be okay, though could be better; still, less is more, and a gacha game with way too many buttons on its interface is most annoying of all. They better fix those bugs and glitches soon.
Looks a tad unwieldy. The UI seems to be okay, though could be better; still, less is more, and a gacha game with way too many buttons on its interface is most annoying of all. They better fix those bugs and glitches soon.
it seems like the UI is customizable
It's too bad the Xperia Play can't run this bc it's the perfect phone for this game
It appears the full release is intended to have a player voice option:
I expect this could just be vocalized grunts/battle cries/etc. but the player having dialogue lines and this feature becoming more common in modern games is promising that it could be fully voice acted.
I haven't seen any game where a player made chara actually is fully voiced yet btw. It usually means paying multiple voice actors if you do that, and I can see that being pretty pricy. (hence why the FFXIV player chara is a Chrono-type (as in main chara from Chrono Trigger); aka. silent protagonist. But the WoL does have a voice, it's battle grunts and cries though.)
But we'll see, I might get surprised.
I haven't seen any game where a player made chara actually is fully voiced yet btw. It usually means paying multiple voice actors if you do that, and I can see that being pretty pricy. (hence why the FFXIV player chara is a Chrono-type (as in main chara from Chrono Trigger); aka. silent protagonist. But the WoL does have a voice, it's battle grunts and cries though.)
But we'll see, I might get surprised.
It was in Hogwarts Legacy earlier this year. Immortals Fenyx Rising as well.
Still unlikely for a mobile game though. I’d rather the money go toward and English dub if I had to choose. But we’ll see.
I haven't seen any game where a player made chara actually is fully voiced yet btw. It usually means paying multiple voice actors if you do that, and I can see that being pretty pricy. (hence why the FFXIV player chara is a Chrono-type (as in main chara from Chrono Trigger); aka. silent protagonist. But the WoL does have a voice, it's battle grunts and cries though.)
But we'll see, I might get surprised.
Mass Effect did it.
Strange when Square has not managed to do it. I'd consider it not very likely on the fact they didn't do it for FF XIV other than battle cries/grunts.
But if i'm wrong, I'm wrong, and yeah Luminary; I'd rather they spent the buckets of moolah they would of spent hiring 3-6 voice actors by sex for the player chara for English voice acting. ^^
Honestly I just expect the voice to be heard as grunts and such during gameplay.
You know, if that theory that Brain is Eraqus' grandfather is true, I have to say, it's amazing how they quickly they turned Scala from Victorian England into Mykonos-Santorini Lite in one human lifetime. Yes, time runs differently per world, but it's still one human lifetime if it's grandparent-grandchild. Then again, with just one turn of a keyblade, an entire world could be remodeled and reconfigured...
I haven't seen any game where a player made chara actually is fully voiced yet btw. It usually means paying multiple voice actors if you do that, and I can see that being pretty pricy. (hence why the FFXIV player chara is a Chrono-type (as in main chara from Chrono Trigger); aka. silent protagonist. But the WoL does have a voice, it's battle grunts and cries though.)
But we'll see, I might get surprised.
Cyberpunk 2077 also did it. There were like 4 different voices you could chose from.
Dragon Age: Inquisition also has 4 different voice actor/actress options for the player character.
As for FFXIV, the reason they didn't do full voice on the player chara (for the only Square Enix example I know of) I think is moola. There's just a insane amount of voices to choose from per race + sex (12 different voices per each! 24 per race if you group the sexes together! I just checked with the benchmark); it'd be prohibitively expensive to hire all those voice actors for more than battle grunts/cries and emote sounds. So for that game, they just went with the Chrono type. (Silent protaganist, that is.)
I think that'll decide if they go the Chrono route and not have a true voiced PC or not and also that it's a mobile game; how many freaking voices will there be? 3-4 for both male and female? Or go XIV's route and do a insane amount, making it too expensive? Time will tell.
Honestly I just expect the voice to be heard as grunts and such during gameplay.
Most likely. But it seems a little odd to lock the feature for the beta if that’s all it is when all the other voice recording appears complete. Just makes me wonder if they’re saving a reveal for this feature for some reason.
For most games with an unvoiced protagonist that still has some dialogue lines, they use the text box style cutscenes so you can read the dialogue and then click when ready to move on. With this, the character has fully animated lip movements and the dialogue just keeps rolling. There’s also no name on the subtitle indicating who is speaking. So it could be a little confusing and hard to follow for some people if there’s no voice acting. (Plus it just looks a little awkward.) But all that said, it’s a mobile game at the end of the day so we shouldn’t expect too much.
EDIT: We have confirmation from Nomura that the voices are for battles only. He says if we want voices for the player during the movies, we need to ask a lot of people to play the game. ? Also, to “use our heart and voice” for the player. (Based on gist from Google translate.)
Disney worlds confirmed! There was also a Q&A I’m hoping we can get some Goldpanner translations for.
EDIT: We have confirmation from Nomura that the voices are for battles only. He says if we want voices for the player during the movies, we need to ask a lot of people to play the game. ? Also, to “use our heart and voice” for the player. (Based on gist from Google translate.)
Disney worlds confirmed! There was also a Q&A I’m hoping we can get some Goldpanner translations for.
Care to transcribe and mention which Disney worlds are confirmed? Elmo Muskrat is making it really hard for us none Twitter-users (yes, I'm deadnaming it, just for spite) to actually get any relevant information.
Well, I guess I was right. We're going the Chrono/FFXIV route; guess Square didn't want to spring for multiple voice actors for one chara for a mobile game, just like they didn't spring for it for FFXIV. (VERY expensive to do that, I'm surprised some games have sprung for that.)
Care to transcribe and mention which Disney worlds are confirmed? Elmo Muskrat is making it really hard for us none Twitter-users (yes, I'm deadnaming it, just for spite) to actually get any relevant information.
Yeah sorry about that! Olympus, Dwarf Woodlands, and possibly Prankster’s Paradise were shown. Also says other worlds were shown “but they remain a mystery.”
Here's everything Audrey was able to gather from the reports covering of the event:
I appreciate that Nomura acknowledged the lengthy gaps between updates for Union Cross and plans for Missing Link to have updates more frequently. My hope is they’re aiming for steady updates from its release up until that of KH4.
Another look at the new world:
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I appreciate that Nomura acknowledged the lengthy gaps between updates for Union Cross and plans for Missing Link to have updates more frequently. My hope is they’re aiming for steady updates from its release up until that of KH4.
Another look at the new world:
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im gonna call it. judging from the trees, my bet is on the Jungle Book.
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This tweet made me chuckle. ?
Same user said one of the scenes in the video showed the character running along the beach with a boat nearby. They think it is Destiny Islands. Keep in mind these are just impressions though.
Also, apparently the prologue in the CBT is cut down significantly from the final version.
Source: https://x.com/k_ephemeraif_h/status/1730913886348722430?s=46
This Twitch VOD has the new world in action starting at 13:30.
Definitely has more exploration than I was expecting! Still no indication of what it is though. I saw someone say they saw a scene in the private video with the player running along a beach they thought was Destiny Islands.
Also, Nomura said he wants to wait to release the game until it’s more comfortable to walk. He mentions how it warmed up around May this year so that may be a good time.
Source: http://www.ff-reunion.net/?p=33483
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This tweet made me chuckle. ?
Same user said one of the scenes in the video showed the character running along the beach with a boat nearby. They think it is Destiny Islands. Keep in mind these are just impressions though.
Also, apparently the prologue in the CBT is cut down significantly from the final version.
Source: https://x.com/k_ephemeraif_h/status/1730913886348722430?s=46
Who wants to bet they think its DI cuz that's the only world in the series where a beach and a boat were in the same area
So what was the New World that was shown on Twitch? (A Disney World or an Original World?)
So what was the New World that was shown on Twitch? (A Disney World or an Original World?)
We have no idea. In the trailer, it was shown after the line saying the game would feature Disney worlds. So a Disney world seems more likely. But no one knows for sure yet. All we know is the world is accessed through quests that you start by talking to one of the Scala NPCs. (Which at least rules out it being an area of the Astral Plane for tropical real world settings like some people were claiming. Not sure why people thought this when the graphics were so different.)
Is there a list of all available pieces somewhere?
I think I'm noticing some interesting patterns among them...
Is there a list of all available pieces somewhere?
I think I'm noticing some interesting patterns among them...
I saw one picture shared on Not Twitter that showed a lot of them. I’ll see if I can dig it back up.
I think these are most, if not all, of them.
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So, what we have is:
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[*]Almost full KH1 story cast, including the summons and the princesses, but not Final Fantasy. Also missing seem to be Ansem SoD, Merlin, and Geppetto.
[*]At 2-star rank, there are characters from KH3 worlds, except Caribbean and Arendelle have been replaced with Neverland and Pride Lands.
[*]Then the 1-star rank is filled with less important characters from KH3 worlds, everybody from the old princess worlds, and less powerful duplicates of higher rank pieces.
[*]Randomly, there is Pete. It's just Pete, so it's probably not a big deal ;).
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For some reason even the relatively unimportant side characters from Olympus, Kingdom of Corona, Neverland, and Pride Lands are at 2 stars, while for other worlds they are at 1 star. San Fransokyo may also be part of this, but we can't know for sure, because it doesn't have any side characters. Of these worlds, Olympus and Corona are confirmed to be in the game, and Neverland is a strong candidate for being that mysterious jungle world. It also makes a lot of sense that characters from worlds that are in the game would be considered more important than they otherwise would be. So, I think it is reasonable to predict that this will be the set of Disney worlds in the initial release of the game.
The other confirmed world is Dwarf Woodlands, and it just happens to be the only one of the old princess worlds where significant part of the cast is missing, as none of the dwarves are in the game. I think this means they are going to release both the world and its characters in the same update. So, we should look for other worlds that are under-represented or completely absent as candidates for same treatment. The most likely ones are Arendelle, Atlantica, and Halloween Town. But we should remember that it's possible to add characters without adding their world, so this isn't very reliable.
So if ML releases in 2024, does this mean KH4 will release in 2025? Or can we still hope for late 2024 release?
So if ML releases in 2024, does this mean KH4 will release in 2025? Or can we still hope for late 2024 release?
I think early 2025 is most likely. SE hasn’t really been releasing any of their AAA games in the latter half of the year recently. I think it just tends to be such a crowded space for gaming that they’d rather avoid it for their bigger releases. They still release games, but typically more niche titles like Dragon Quest Adventure of Dai or Star Ocean this year.
Let’s take at look at SE’s console game slate next year.
February 24: FFVII Rebirth
Spring 24: FFXVI DLC
Summer 24: FFXIV Dawntrail
TBD 24: Foamstars (this game already had its open beta, so I suspect it’ll be out by end of summer.)
TBD 24: SaGa: Emerald Beyond
TBD 24: Visions of Mana
I could see those last two releasing around September and November respectively. We could see VoM could get a bigger marketing push. The trailer looks gorgeous and it could be an opportunity to bring that franchise more into the mainstream. I’ve never played a Mana game but it has me intrigued.
The only other confirmed titles in development are DQ3 Remake, DQXII, and KH4. We could see the DQ3 Remake sometime next year too. Maybe July?
That would be 6-7 titles for SE next year not counting Missing Link and any other smaller projects that might pop up. I think that’s a pretty good line up for the year.
With the latter half of 2024 being lighter on major releases, it would give them plenty of time to focus on KH4’s marketing at all the big gaming events. Just like they’re doing for Rebirth now. I think we’ll get a release window around March/April next year and then steady marketing leading up to a January 2025 release. That’s a good eight months of steady promotion.
Anyone try the iPad performance? I saw a post about it on Twitter that said it works well but it was just one post. Have an iPad m2 but it's the wifi version, wasn't sure if ML would be compatible or not, unless it works possibly with IP or something
Who wants to bet they think its DI cuz that's the only world in the series where a beach and a boat were in the same area
I can't imagine that based on the music alone. Well, maybe they're using a placeholder but... ah, it really does feel like Peter Pan music.
The other confirmed world is Dwarf Woodlands, and it just happens to be the only one of the old princess worlds where significant part of the cast is missing, as none of the dwarves are in the game.
Snow White and the 0 Dwarves
Do we know if we'll be able to play on PC as well or does it have to be on phone? My phone's a piece of garbage but I still don't wanna upgrade lol
A very cool find by @iAyeCaptainKai on Twitter. They’ve worked out a lot of the letters of the Scala alphabet and there is a Mary Poppins Easter Egg in Missing Link:
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EDIT: I did some translating of my own and found that another spot has the lyrics to “Star Light, Star Bright” from Pinocchio in reverse! [Note: switched out my original translation picture with one courtesy of Breezyfeather as it is much cleaner.]
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Breezyfeather on Twitter was able to translate some more text that turned out to be “Hey Diddle Diddle!” In reverse!
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I’ve been trying to work out a meaning for this, which is found above the “Hey Diddle Diddle” nursery rhyme. It translates to “nO54022”. The twos could also be ones or a combo of 1s and 3s, but I think the twos are most likely.
“nO” is “On” backwards.
5+4+0+2+2=13. There’s also seven characters counting the n and O.
The numbers could also be scrambled for 52024. Like “On 5/2024.” But this message was shown even in the January prototype test, so I think it being a hidden release date Easter egg is unlikely.
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There’s also another series of numbers on the opposite side of the screen above “Star Light, Star Bright.” This one translates to: 2241592653582
There are thirteen characters there, so you have seven on one side and thirteen on the other. Not find anything else special about this numbers though.
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Do we know if we'll be able to play on PC as well or does it have to be on phone? My phone's a piece of garbage but I still don't wanna upgrade lol
Only iOS and Android are announced yet but since Ever Crisis was released on Steam as well there might be a chance even with the whole geolocation aspect.
Nothing about the beta on Android, kinda crazy square hasn't said anything. Wonder if it will be delayed to February at this point.
Nothing about the beta on Android, kinda crazy square hasn't said anything. Wonder if it will be delayed to February at this point.
Considering they didn’t announce the participants of the last one until like the day before, I wouldn’t be too worried. They already have the applications for this one too, so it’ll probably be just as short notice. I think it’ll either run the 10-19th or the 17th-26th.
A fourth Ichiban Kuji Kingdom Hearts lottery will be happening in May 2024. The title is “Linking Hearts.”
It’s worth noting that each of these have lined up with a significant KH event: KH3, MoM, and the 20th anniversary. So there’s a good chance this is commemorating Missing Link’s release. The second one was called “Second Memory” referencing MoM. So “Linking Hearts” is probably referencing Missing Link.
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They also just announced Nier Reincarnation is ending service on 4/29. My guess is they finish that and then Missing Link will basically take its place starting May.
Also a good time for a reminder to not dump all your money into these things as there’s no telling how long they’ll stick around.
Not really that surprised, but I wonder if a PC version will ever be made. They obviously are putting all their resources into making the game mobile friendly. The one fear I have of that is diminishing the quality of the game for a mobile platform. If that is the case, makes me wonder if this game really should have just been a console F2P game or something instead.
Not for nothing, but, uh... they went dead silent on this game. It's been an uncomfortably long time since the beta without a word. What's more, I haven't ever seen anyone online in all my travels express any excitement about this game. I don't get the sense that anyone wants this game at all.
I'm not trying to just yap about how the game sucks, I just find it spooky that Kingdom Hearts has a title that is, probably, going to flop hard and be a huge waste of time and money.
Who is this game for? Yes, many KH fans will get it, but they'll just as happily buy a title like BBS or Days. The point of gachaing your property is to go for a quick cash grab. If this game is actually costing resources and time, who wins? Just make a normal game, then.
It's still an effective long cash grab if it gets at least a small handful of whales.
But yeah this really kinda sucks lol.
Is it gonna be effective tho? Square shut down a ton of mobile games over the past couple years and it doesn't seem like many of them were particularly profitable.... especially the KH ones. Gotta agree with [USER=5]@Phoenix[/USER]
If the games not being a quick cash grab then is it really worth it to stick it out?
This is why I can’t with people on other platforms saying we won’t see KH4 til like 2027 because they want to give ML “time to shine.” If that were the case and then this game flops massively, it would be a disaster for the franchise to not have another release for three more years. They know these games are risky and the best thing they can do is to release it close to KH4 so it can feed off the latter’s buzz.
The Android beta was rescheduled for spring which starts next week technically. So hoping we hear something soon. I just want to see what the Disney worlds look like.
Not for nothing, but, uh... they went dead silent on this game. It's been an uncomfortably long time since the beta without a word. What's more, I haven't ever seen anyone online in all my travels express any excitement about this game. I don't get the sense that anyone wants this game at all.
I'm not trying to just yap about how the game sucks, I just find it spooky that Kingdom Hearts has a title that is, probably, going to flop hard and be a huge waste of time and money.
Influencers are being reached out to about the next wave of beta testing right now, they're just keeping quiet about it. Expect an update over the next month or so.
Influencers are being reached out to about the next wave of beta testing right now, they're just keeping quiet about it. Expect an update over the next month or so.
Sounds like the next beta maybe won’t just be the delayed one for Android in NZ, UK, and Japan? I was wondering if they may have just decided to skip it/merge it with the next larger wave.
Influencers are being reached out to about the next wave of beta testing right now, they're just keeping quiet about it. Expect an update over the next month or so.
This a joke orrrrrr
This a joke orrrrrr
I'm well known for my jovial personality and wonderful sense of humor on these forums.
Influencers are being reached out to about the next wave of beta testing right now, they're just keeping quiet about it. Expect an update over the next month or so.
two sentence horror story!
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My work place consolidated two offices into one recently (we utilise a shared storage network, remote machines, a bunch of other technical crap) and while the move happened bit by bit for a couple of months, it didn't disrupt anything. If they had a plan for the move in motion, I don't think it would have disrupted their workflow that much.
My work place consolidated two offices into one recently (we utilise a shared storage network, remote machines, a bunch of other technical crap) and while the move happened bit by bit for a couple of months, it didn't disrupt anything. If they had a plan for the move in motion, I don't think it would have disrupted their workflow that much.
I hope it was planned cuz if not, being a KH fan is suffering
Also u know anything about influencers bein reached out bout the beta?
I know naught of that. But I've not know anything about stuff behind the scenes with the series for a long time now.
I’m surprised he shared this, but GamersJoint confirmed he was contacted in February about launch stuff, but that he recently was advised it had been delayed after he didn’t hear anything for a while. Won’t link the video here, but it’s on his YT channel.
I’m surprised he shared this, but GamersJoint confirmed he was contacted in February about launch stuff, but that he recently was advised it had been delayed after he didn’t hear anything for a while. Won’t link the video here, but it’s on his YT channel.
Damn, you beat me to it?
I’m surprised he shared this, but GamersJoint confirmed he was contacted in February about launch stuff, but that he recently was advised it had been delayed after he didn’t hear anything for a while. Won’t link the video here, but it’s on his YT channel.
Waitwaitwait, LAUNCH stuff? As in, the final game?
Waitwaitwait, LAUNCH stuff? As in, the final game?
Yeah but keep in mind, that’s kind of a broad term in this context. He likely would have been playing the beta and giving his impressions leading up to launch. It’s a bit concerning that he was invited to participate after the Android beta had already been delayed. And now whatever this was is delayed even further. Hopefully they’re back on track now, but it seems
I said in the other thread I thought it could still release in June. But I don’t think that’s the case if they pushed back the influencer/press previews.
Also, compared to Ever Crisis, the marketing of this game has been non-existent. Regardless of the beta issues, why are we not getting more trailers like EC did? I think they may wait until July so they can market it at SGF.
Yeah but keep in mind, that’s kind of a broad term in this context. He likely would have been playing the beta and giving his impressions leading up to launch. It’s a bit concerning that he was invited to participate after the Android beta had already been delayed. And now whatever this was is delayed even further. Hopefully they’re back on track now, but it seems
I said in the other thread I thought it could still release in June. But I don’t think that’s the case if they pushed back the influencer/press previews.
Also, compared to Ever Crisis, the marketing of this game has been non-existent. Regardless of the beta issues, why are we not getting more trailers like EC did? I think they may wait until July so they can market it at SGF.
Urgh.
I'm starting to think they should've just ditched the GPS stuff.
I hate to be negative, and it brings me no joy to say it, but with the extremely long wait (2+ years from reveal to release for a MOBILE GAME) and the lack of any enthusiasm online, I feel like we're all standing around watching Kingdom Hearts' biggest failure happen in slow motion.
What's a little scary about all this is that I hope no pig-headed CEO sees this inevitable failure as "well, people just don't like Kingdom Hearts anymore" and place any sort of budget limitations on KH4, or shelve any other side projects.
Very, very few people will want to give this game space on their phone, and even fewer will want to play a controllerless 3D action game WHILE using GPS on the go... and spend money on gacha mechanics.. and all their favorite KH characters aren't even present. how did this stupid fucking idea make it past the pitching phase?
I hate to be negative, and it brings me no joy to say it, but with the extremely long wait (2+ years from reveal to release for a MOBILE GAME) and the lack of any enthusiasm online, I feel like we're all standing around watching Kingdom Hearts' biggest failure happen in slow motion.
What's a little scary about all this is that I hope no pig-headed CEO sees this inevitable failure as "well, people just don't like Kingdom Hearts anymore" and place any sort of budget limitations on KH4, or shelve any other side projects.
Very, very few people will want to give this game space on their phone, and even fewer will want to play a controllerless 3D action game WHILE using GPS on the go... and spend money on gacha mechanics.. and all their favorite KH characters aren't even present. how did this stupid fucking idea make it past the pitching phase?
I dunno I'm pretty sure it'll do fine in "Mobile games are king" Japan where there is indeed quite a bit of walking
Also I'm pretty sure there there are some fans who have enjoyed the lore of the X saga, so that and the game having some hints on what to expect from KH IV's story will give some fans an incentive to play it.
God, this game is fighting such an uphill battle.
Like, I can see what Square wants to go for, they probably want their Pokémon Go/Genshin Impact-type of game and they will probably burn through any of their big franchises to get that done. But why like this?
Let's say this game comes out and plays great, there's a big, chunky bit of story, there are regular, substantial updates, the monetization is not too in your face, etc. That is the BEST CASE SCENARIO, very unlikely to happen ... and even then, it would be extremely surprising if this game hit Jackpot and connected with general audiences. It's far more likely that this game will connect with a contingent of KH-fans who are willing to play a mobile game for lore.
And it's exactly those fans that you have probably already turned kinda bitter by announcing this game way too early and delaying it a couple times (because average players will absolutely not care and will find out about this game when it has released and Square maybe promotes it)
It would have been such a safer bet to just make Missing-Link a low-budget PC/PS4/PS5 game, but then you would at least get a larger number of KH-fans, because most of them will have bought a PS4 for KHIII and the barrier to entry is - from anecdotal evidence at least - far lower when it's a complete experience and not a gamble on the lifecycle of a gacha GPS game.
What's a little scary about all this is that I hope no pig-headed CEO sees this inevitable failure as "well, people just don't like Kingdom Hearts anymore" and place any sort of budget limitations on KH4, or shelve any other side projects.
This is why I hope KH4 is well along and will release in similar proximity to ML as Rebirth did to Ever Crisis. If they’re banking on ML carrying the franchise for the next couple years without another console game, we’re in trouble.
Also I'm pretty sure there there are some fans who have enjoyed the lore of the X saga, so that and the game having some hints on what to expect from KH IV's story will give some fans an incentive to play it.
I don't intend to sound snarky, but you're describing an extremely insulated portion of the fandom. The broader market doesn't even know what the X saga is.
I dunno I'm pretty sure it'll do fine in "Mobile games are king" Japan where there is indeed quite a bit of walking
GPS games can succeed, as can 3D action games, even on a phone. I think the two ideas are diametrically opposed, however, especially when it comes to battery and comfort of play.
Urgh.
I'm starting to think they should've just ditched the GPS stuff.
If the game didn't have the GPS stuff, they could've had the game release on consoles too. The game would be super successful.
I've looked at comments and most people don't realize you can turn the gps off. People think it's necessary to play the game. They need to advertise that when they re-re-reveal the game.
If the game didn't have the GPS stuff, they could've had the game release on consoles too. The game would be super successful.
I've looked at comments and most people don't realize you can turn the gps off. People think it's necessary to play the game. They need to advertise that when they re-re-reveal the game.
You can turn it off, but... I believe there are significant drawbacks. You can play a little bit from home, but to progress and continue playing on a daily basis, you have to engage with GPS mechanics.
You can turn it off, but... I believe there are significant drawbacks. You can play a little bit from home, but to progress and continue playing on a daily basis, you have to engage with GPS mechanics.
It’s either that or pay into it to be able to play more from home. Like Pokemon Go, the game will likely make money when players visit certain locations while playing the game. So if you aren’t doing that, they’re gonna want you to pay up.
It’s either that or pay into it to be able to play more from home. Like Pokemon Go, the game will likely make money when players visit certain locations while playing the game. So if you aren’t doing that, they’re gonna want you to pay up.
wherein lies my skepticism at this games entire concept. No Sora, Donald, and Goofy? de-emphasized Disney fun in favor of, uh, X-saga lore? paying extra money just to consistently be able to engage with a combat system that'll only have a tenuous grasp of action mechanics?
They're making this game for like 100 people.
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They're making this game for like 100 people.
The thing is, that's the case for most F2P games. They're called "whales" by game companies, the 1 percent of 1 percent who spend large amounts of money on games. They're the audience that the companies are really targeting.
I see a lot of people assuming a lot of things about a game that hasn't even been released yet, but that's to be expected being a mobile game.
You have to understand that ML is not replacing anything. There is not a side-game that isn't being made because of ML. There is no team that could be helping with KH4 if it wasn't for ML.
The existence of ML does not harm KH in any way, if anything it benefits it. You know about the impact of the mobile market, specifically in Asia. And by now you should know that if it wasn't for these games coming out on mobile, the whole X saga wouldn't exist.
So please, let's support the game, maybe not monetarily but by playing it and showing SE that we want more KH, but not like this. We just need the game to succeed so we can see the full story that Nomura wants to tell.
People from outside the fandom will already do to sabotage the game, let's not do it ourselves.
Nomura is making sure that the experience is as enjoyable, accesible and as close to a console title as possible. Already with the beta we have been able to see that there is a lot of good and a lot of love put into it.
The existence of ML does not harm KH in any way, if anything it benefits it. You know about the impact of the mobile market, specifically in Asia. And by now you should know that if it wasn't for these games coming out on mobile, the whole X saga wouldn't exist.
I think part of the full Kingdom Hearts experience being "ok now go watch all these gacha scenes on youtube" does harm KH, a lot. I love the X stories but they really messed up the idea of "playing through the series", which would otherwise be a pretty linear affair. The same issue is inherent in any other live service game being part of the story, unless they do a remake, which will take even more time.
So please, let's support the game, maybe not monetarily but by playing it and showing SE that we want more KH, but not like this. We just need the game to succeed so we can see the full story that Nomura wants to tell.
People from outside the fandom will already do to sabotage the game, let's not do it ourselves.
Nomura is making sure that the experience is as enjoyable, accesible and as close to a console title as possible. Already with the beta we have been able to see that there is a lot of good and a lot of love put into it.
with peace and love, I won't be playing it. it doesn't look fun and has very little in common with what I like about KH. If you love it, that's awesome! I'm simply observing the fact that I have seen very few people excited for this game, and that SE's previous KH mobile game efforts have inspired little confidence that they're capable of pacing a game like this out properly, especially now that they're using 3D assets.
If KH has something meaningful to say about its world, characters, and lore, they really ought to put it in a retail game that people can buy. It's not the average consumer's fault at this point if they just want to play and understand KH4 without consulting Youtube or a cumbersome phone game
What's a little scary about all this is that I hope no pig-headed CEO sees this inevitable failure as "well, people just don't like Kingdom Hearts anymore" and place any sort of budget limitations on KH4, or shelve any other side projects.
Thankfully it sounds like Disney is excited by what they've got cooking up for KH4 so hopefully any failures or lack of reach Missing-Link provides doesn't translate over to KH4. As for the Square Enix side, any budget limitations or cancelled projects would be because the CEO is chasing AI and blockchain and draining money in those ventures ?
Also I'm pretty sure there there are some fans who have enjoyed the lore of the X saga, so that and the game having some hints on what to expect from KH IV's story will give some fans an incentive to play it.
I'm reading a thread on another website where a lot of the general consensus is having elements from a mobile game shoved in - not know the deal with Ephemer or Luxu for example - helped accelerate their decision to step back from the games or quit the series entirely.
I do know there are people who enjoyed X, I see their posts on Twitter all the time, but the wider audience didn't care. And they won't care for what Missing-Link has to say about KH4. As Matgsy says, this game is for the whales. If they don't show up, it'll have a very short life.
I will say that Luxu is introduced in X Back Cover which tells you all you need to know for almost everything in KH3, which is mostly info that is not even in the mobile games in the first place. That's a different story to me because it's an actual real work in the series like any of the games.
There's a lot of misinformation about this whole part of the series and I think it confuses people.
Oh 100%, just watching Back Cover would give you the bits of Ephemer and Luxu that you needed, but it's their lived experience with the series and they felt exhausted at the end of III, feeling like they didn't want to keep up with a story in a mobile game in order to move forward with the console series which is fair, since UX and Dark Road did continue after III released and introduced the Darknesses and all that. Plus there's Strelitzia who was mobile game only so far.
The same discussion will be done with Missing-Link and IV.
"I don't want to play three mobile games in order to understand what's happening in IV"
"You don't need to play any mobile game, everything is introduced in a way to the audience through Sora who also doesn't know."
"What's the deal with this?"
"Well in the mobile game...."
And repeat ad nauseam.
But this is the life we chose, fellow Kingdom Hearts fans ?
Oh 100%, just watching Back Cover would give you the bits of Ephemer and Luxu that you needed, but it's their lived experience with the series and they felt exhausted at the end of III, feeling like they didn't want to keep up with a story in a mobile game in order to move forward with the console series which is fair, since UX and Dark Road did continue after III released and introduced the Darknesses and all that. Plus there's Strelitzia who was mobile game only so far.
The same discussion will be done with Missing-Link and IV.
"I don't want to play three mobile games in order to understand what's happening in IV"
"You don't need to play any mobile game, everything is introduced in a way to the audience through Sora who also doesn't know."
"What's the deal with this?"
"Well in the mobile game...."
And repeat ad nauseam.
But this is the life we chose, fellow Kingdom Hearts fans ?
& yet the fans shit on RE:Coded for not having a relevant story when the series could truthfully stand to have more like it.
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I see a lot of people assuming a lot of things about a game that hasn't even been released yet, but that's to be expected being a mobile game.
You have to understand that ML is not replacing anything. There is not a side-game that isn't being made because of ML. There is no team that could be helping with KH4 if it wasn't for ML.
The existence of ML does not harm KH in any way, if anything it benefits it. You know about the impact of the mobile market, specifically in Asia. And by now you should know that if it wasn't for these games coming out on mobile, the whole X saga wouldn't exist.
So please, let's support the game, maybe not monetarily but by playing it and showing SE that we want more KH, but not like this. We just need the game to succeed so we can see the full story that Nomura wants to tell.
People from outside the fandom will already do to sabotage the game, let's not do it ourselves.
Nomura is making sure that the experience is as enjoyable, accesible and as close to a console title as possible. Already with the beta we have been able to see that there is a lot of good and a lot of love put into it.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that there no cost to the wider series with this. The game could cost 100 dollars to make, and we're still suffering huge opportunity costs.
There's lore in this game that is not going to be told in KH4. The days of side games like Days and BBS, proper entries, are over because of UX, DR and ML.
Yes, in theory, SE could release something else at the same time. In practice, they're not going to want to cannibalise their market audience.
Nobody here would be remotely interested in this game if it didn't have the KH title on it. It's just that we're starved for KH content. I yearn for the timeline where this a small Switch title.
So please, let's support the game
why? I don't want Square to keep doing this rubbish of putting iMpOrTaNt lOrE in a phone game, so why should we support it? because it's KH? not really a good enough reason to me
I’m skeptical about it, but willing to give it a chance. But I also acknowledge that I am one of those “100 people” who would play it (or try it I should say) regardless because I’m detrimentally invested in this franchise. Lol.
What I really need to see is more enemy variety and the Disney worlds. Right now, we’ve only seen the Darkside and Behemoth as raids. And not that many different Heartless. UX has a lot of problems, but one of the things we can agree on is that it had plenty of original enemy designs for both standard fodder and bosses. This game has shown like one original enemy type and that’s it…
Also, everything we saw in the last trailer was in the beta. So right now, we have no teases of gameplay, enemies, cutscenes, or anything that we can’t just go to YT and watch the full version for ourselves. Tease something new that we’ll have to play the actual game to experience.
I also disagree that it isn’t taking away from a different game being made. It seems SE is developing this one in house rather than outsourcing. (It’s unclear what Spark’s role is and whether they are developing or just letting SE use their tech.) So these resources could have been spent on a different project.
Also it’s weird to me that they think they’ll have success in this GPS space when Pokemon Go is still king, the Harry Potter failed (which has a much larger fanbase), and they already have one of these games on their Japanese market with DQ Walk.
I want it to be fun. I want it to succeed. But it’s hard to imagine that will be the case with how they’ve been handling it so far.
why? I don't want Square to keep doing this rubbish of putting iMpOrTaNt lOrE in a phone game, so why should we support it? because it's KH? not really a good enough reason to me
You say this as if they'll get that message and not "KH isn't profitable".
You say this as if they'll get that message and not "KH isn't profitable".
If the only way SE sees KH as a profitable property is exclusively through gambling and gacha, then I'd rather the series dies.
There are many things that I love that have ended, and I'd hate it if their memory was tainted by money grubbing execs trying to exploit the vulnerable.
If the only way SE sees KH as a profitable property is exclusively through gambling and gacha, then I'd rather the series dies.
There are many things that I love that have ended, and I'd hate it if their memory was tainted by money grubbing execs trying to exploit the vulnerable.
Excuse my complete ignorance, but this game implements gacha?
Excuse my complete ignorance, but this game implements gacha?
Sure does, for the figurine things, whatever they've called. Unless they've radically changed the core of the game in the last few months.
Yeah, you can spend money to draw for more figurines.
You can also spend the in-game currency on cosmetic outfit items and more, and buy passes that are probably weekly like how UX had weekly passes.
Then I won't be supporting it because...
1. I simply don't want to play it. The concept doesn’t look fun, and I'm not remotely invested in many mobile games.
2. Gacha is incredibly predatory, and I refuse to support anything like it. This is why I will not even touch games like Genshin and Honkai, although people are free to play the games if they like.
3. I completely disagree with the notion that we should support this game just because it's branded as KH. As people said earlier, people wouldn’t even care much for this game if it didn’t have KH in its title. Plus, I don’t feel like going through another mobile game to dissect KH lore, much less an apparent cash grab.
People are free to correct me if I’ve gotten anything wrong.
I guess I'll go ahead and say I will be playing it, assuming it runs well on my phone (a downside of waiting over 2 years is I bought a new phone in the interim and still have no idea if it's even good enough yet).
Is it just me of has no-one posted the Android beta announcement yet?
Why would they when it's both A: Not much for an article and B: The clear opinion on this site is that this game shouldn't have been made in the first place
The game is going to come out whether we want it to or not, so I try to look at the positives of the situation and I will try to enjoy it, as long as the game is fun and interesting to play. Just like I would do if, for example, it was announced that Re:Union X or some new storyline were going to be a D+ show.
If the product is good, canon, and offers me more lore, more story, etc. I don't care if it's a game, a manga or a show. I'm a bigger fan than ever because Nomura has been planning and expanding the universe since DDD, and in a world where they don't make side-games anymore, I prefer this to just releasing numbered Sora-centric games from now on.
And of course we are going to play the game because it is KH. Same as Persona, Drakngard/Nier or Yakuza fans play the spinoff/side-games. But that doesn't mean those are bad games, or else tell me if most fans would have played CoM, Coded or MoM. Those are good games, and I was really surprised how much I liked MoM for example, and I have no interest in rhythm games.
I didn't pay even once in Ux, only played when a new chapter of the main story was going to be released, and I didn't have any problem, and I plan to do the same for ML, full F2P. And if that is not possible and it's a P2W, I will stop playing it and join the haters club.
If the product is good,
Well, it's a kind of application that deliberately uses predatory tactics to tempt people who are vulnerable to addiction into spending money on nothing, so I would say that it is not good.
But that doesn't mean those are bad games, or else tell me if most fans would have played CoM, Coded or MoM. Those are good games |
Those are also games, which is a pretty big point of difference between them and UX/ML.
I hated the gameplay of the X games, but I loved the story. Watching the cutscenes on YouTube was like reading a monthly manga IF they gave us monthly updates. However, that’s not the way I want to experience KH. A couple of years ago, back then when the PS3/PS4 collections of the KH games released, I tried to convince my friends to play the games.
Nowadays I don’t even bother introducing my friends to the shit show that is the KH franchise nowadays lol
And the same Goes for ML. I’m sure the story will be phenomenal but I don’t care for a mobile gacha game
I don’t understand why they don’t even bother making a F2P game for CONSOLES
Just give us a low budget console game, let me give you my money!!
Same as Persona, Drakngard/Nier or Yakuza fans play the spinoff/side-games. But that doesn't mean those are bad games
I think any game that implements gambling isn’t a good one. Gambling has destroyed people’s lives so I personally would not want to support something like it.
People are free to play those things if they want, though.
B: The clear opinion on this site is that this game shouldn't have been made in the first place
Just because we don’t like it doesn’t mean people won’t post announcements.
I don’t care for a mobile gacha game
Fun fact! A free mobile game with MTX will never be innately fun to play on its own. If the game is fun, there's no reason to spend money. These games will impose frustration and limitations to influence the player to pay their way past said limitations. It's a completely opposite objective from full retail games.
Fun fact! A free mobile game with MTX will never be innately fun to play on its own. If the game is fun, there's no reason to spend money. These games will impose frustration and limitations to influence the player to pay their way past said limitations. It's a completely opposite objective from full retail games.
It’s essentially just player manipulation all the way through.
I love that some of us here are still positive towards Missing Link.
The rest of us has truly fallen to Darkness
I love that some of us here are still positive towards Missing Link.
The rest of us has truly fallen to Darkness
Eh, people can have different opinions on a game. I think if people will enjoy and have hope for the game, that’s great! But gambling is a huge dealbreaker for a lotta peeps.
There's nothing to really be positive about when it comes to people being exploited.
Will I enjoy the cutscenes? Sure, I enjoyed the UX cutscenes too. But those were ultimately a tiny part of the game compared to the glut of exploitative nothing content, and made by a tiny different team (Nomura and the two animators). It seems odd to me to even attempt to conflate the two.
Eh, people can have different opinions on a game. I think if people will enjoy and have hope for the game, that’s great! But gambling is a huge dealbreaker for a lotta peeps.
It's not like it's coming out of nowhere. There's been two KH mobile games. The first one was unfun, and the second one was so bad that it genre shifted right into a different genre, and then EoS'ed immediately.
So far, this game looks to be copying the same exact gacha systems.
Eh, people can have different opinions on a game. I think if people will enjoy and have hope for the game, that’s great! But gambling is a huge dealbreaker for a lotta peeps.
There's nothing to really be positive about when it comes to people being exploited.
Will I enjoy the cutscenes? Sure, I enjoyed the UX cutscenes too. But those were ultimately a tiny part of the game compared to the glut of exploitative nothing content, and made by a tiny different team (Nomura and the two animators). It seems odd to me to even attempt to conflate the two.
I was obviously just joking ?
I’ve expressed many times how I hate the whole concept of ML. Unfortunately there isn’t anything we can do against it. ML is going the be the next game and we have to accept that, even though 90 % of the fandom here may hate that game
It's not like it's coming out of nowhere. There's been two KH mobile games. The first one was unfun, and the second one was so bad that it genre shifted right into a different genre, and then EoS'ed immediately.
So far, this game looks to be copying the same exact gacha systems.
It's also a much bigger budget production compared to UX/DR. Meaning it needs to be raking in a lot more cash to sustain itself. It anything, they're gonna be even more aggressive with the monetization.
If anything, I honestly wish this was just the usual chibi-art style KH mobile game for consistency's sake but it is what it is.
I'll give KHML a shot and if it runs well on my phone, I'll keep it. If not, bummer but I'll just watch the lore stuff on YouTube.
I was obviously just joking
You have to understand, boiling takes are common on this forum and another person said something similar to you lol.
But also I joined the conversation late. Got me there, though.
It's also a much bigger budget production compared to UX/DR. Meaning it needs to be raking in a lot more cash to sustain itself. It anything, they're gonna be even more aggressive with the monetization.
I re-downloaded FFVII Ever Crisis from Steam last night and within a couple of minutes I was hit with two 12-hour only, $40 "deals." The game busted itself and they went into emergency maintenance but I'm sure I would have gotten a lot more monetisation thrust in my face if the game had worked.
The creation of actual story content is always secondary to cheap limited-time events, too. Any one of these games has a billion near-constant "special events" going on that offer absolutely nothing to non-whales, and then maybe a couple story updates a year maybe.
In the latest interview in December Nomura said that months between a main scenario story update is unforgivable nowadays so here's hoping that it's handled differently in Missing Link.
In the latest interview in December Nomura said that months between a main scenario story update is unforgivable nowadays so here's hoping that it's handled differently in Missing Link.
Fingers crossed that the story updates are going to be on a consistent schedule leading up to KH4’s release. (Whether you’re interested in playing the game itself or not, it’ll be nice having some cutscenes on YouTube to chew on at least.)
Just a couple days until the beta testers get notified. I’m interested to see if content creators will also be playing during this round or if that was pushed til later. Mainly because that could give us an idea of if they’re going to start really pushing the game’s marketing yet. Also curious if there are any notable changes from what we’ve seen already.
Since this beta is in Android, I guess there will be people datamining it, so it's possible that someone will find new things even if it has the same content as the IOS one. I hope nothing story related.
But now that I think about it, ML is made in UE4 just like KH3, so if someone manage to extract the maps, characters, etc. maybe those assets can be used to create mods.
Since this beta is in Android, I guess there will be people datamining it, so it's possible that someone will find new things even if it has the same content as the IOS one. I hope nothing story related.
But now that I think about it, ML is made in UE4 just like KH3, so if someone manage to extract the maps, characters, etc. maybe those assets can be used to create mods.
Since it is relatively small beta, it may be a bit risky to datamine it without it being traced back. Not sure if that’s possible. It’s also a matter of chance if anyone selected knows how to datamine.
I wonder if Roboloid will come back to datamine the full game like they did with Union Cross.
Android beta was delayed again slightly, but they decided to run an iOS beta alongside the Android one.
[Android version closed beta test schedule change and iOS version closed beta test addition announcement] We sincerely apologize for the sudden announcement regarding the closed beta test for "KINGDOM HEARTS Missing-Link" and for any inconvenience caused. In preparation for the Android closed beta test, we have been making improvements and adjustments based on the feedback we received during the iOS closed beta test conducted last year. In order to allow more users to enjoy the improved game in more environments, we have decided to postpone the start of the Android closed beta test and conduct the iOS closed beta test at the same time. ■■ Android version closed beta test schedule ■■ ■ Before the change: 4/25 (Thu) 16:00 to 5/2 (Thu) 17:59 After the change: 5/2 (Thu) 16:00 to 5/10 (Fri) 17:59 ■ Winning email delivery date Before change: Around 4/19 (Fri) After change: Around 4/26 (Fri) We deeply apologize to everyone who was planning to participate in the Android version closed beta test for the further postponement. In addition, recruitment of testers for the iOS version closed beta test is scheduled to start on Monday, April 22nd. We will announce the details on this account, so please wait for a little while longer. Based on your feedback, we will strive to improve the quality for the official service, so we appreciate your cooperation. |
Only one week, and they also add IOS to the beta so more people can play and keep improving the game? Good news for me.
Funny how the IOS beta, that was not planned, is going to be even before the Android beta was originally scheduled.
So for those of us who weren't going to be able to play, this is good news because instead of starting on Wednesday, the beta will be this Monday.
I'm looking forward to seeing how it has improved compared to the previous beta. Do you know what the main complaints were from those who played?
Only one week, and they also add IOS to the beta so more people can play and keep improving the game? Good news for me.
Funny how the IOS beta, that was not planned, is going to be even before the Android beta was originally scheduled.
So for those of us who weren't going to be able to play, this is good news because instead of starting on Wednesday, the beta will be this Monday.
I'm looking forward to seeing how it has improved compared to the previous beta. Do you know what the main complaints were from those who played?
I don’t think the iOS version starts before the Android version? They are just starting recruitment Monday and then it will start on the 2nd at the same time.
It’s not a big delay and at least it shows this will actually be an improved version of the game since the last one. But the planning seems a bit messy with this. You’d think they could have just planned it this way from the beginning.
I really wish they’d give us a new trailer to give us a bit more faith in this game. However short they are, two delays are not doing them any favors from a a marketing standpoint.
I don’t think the iOS version starts before the Android version? They are just starting recruitment Monday and then it will start on the 2nd at the same time.
You are right, I misread it. So IOS users will have to apply again.
I really wish they’d give us a new trailer to give us a bit more faith in this game. However short they are, two delays are not doing them any favors from a a marketing standpoint.
I'm sure the next trailer will release close to launch.
And I don't think a one week delay of a closed beta will have any negative impact, when we also know that the reasons for the delay are positive.
In any case, most fans have already decided whether they are going to play it or not. And the casuals won't even know that there is a beta, and will remember that the game exists with the next trailer.
I know it's not a long delay and they put out their reasoning ...
but after all the delays we already had, this is just such a bad look.
I'm sure the next trailer will release close to launch.
Depends what you mean by close to launch. These games usually have a pre-registration period and I think they’ll want to put out something that encourages people to register. The one for Ever Crisis started about two months prior to release and started after the SGF trailer and at the same time they started recruitment for closed beta.
So my fool’s hope is we get a new trailer Monday that announces pre-registration and the recruiting for the new iOS beta. Maybe they’ll even open it to more regions.
Sounds like they want more players to stress-test their servers. Also, moving it away from 1st of May is probably a good idea...
Do we need an invite to play the beta? Or can anyone download it?
The ten quintillionth delay for this DOA mobilegacha? Oh my god ahahaha you can't make this ish up. It's a colossal waste of resources, human and otherwise, and should have been repurposed as a crossplatform game AGES ago. SE mismanagement in full display. Called it over two years ago as a "halfassed joke" but deep down I knew I was right.
Stop with the gachashi titles. Stop with the nonsense "oh this story ten billion years ago" drip feeding. Just write a cohesive plot and deliver it on consoles like the rest of the damn series. Otherwise, Kingdom Hearts is dead for literal half decades at a time.
Do we need an invite to play the beta? Or can anyone download it?
It’s a closed beta, so you have to apply and be selected. The last round of recruitment was only open to Japan, UK, and Australia. No word for sure on if that will change with the addition of this extra iOS beta.
I was also thinking it may not actually be that far fetched for us to get a new trailer Monday. They released one when they announced the last round of recruiting and they’d get more reach for the applicant pool that way.
I also wonder what they mean by enjoying the game in more environments. Do they mean new locations added in the game, like the Disney worlds possibly? Or additional regions for the beta itself? (That could just be a translation error since it was done by Google translate.)
I also wonder what they mean by enjoying the game in more environments. Do they mean new locations added in the game, like the Disney worlds possibly? Or additional regions for the beta itself? (That could just be a translation error since it was done by Google translate.)
In this context, “more environments” likely refers to different operating systems (Android and iOS) and/or different device models.
And of course not a peep from SENA yet. They announced the Android dates at the exact same time, so it’s weird (but not uncharacteristic) of them to not say anything about this delay.
Oh yeah, I forgot that the beta isn't open to North America anyways lol
They peeped.
【Closed Beta Test schedule change for Android and Addition of iOS】We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this sudden announcement regarding the "KINGDOM HEARTS Missing-Link" closed beta test. To prepare for the CBT of the Android version, we have made changes based on the feedback from the last iOS CBT.In order for more players to play the improved game, we have decided to postpone the start of the Android CBT and hold an additional iOS CBT at the same time. ■Schedule for the Android CBT■ Previous: 4/25(Thu) 07:00 AM UTC - 5/2(Thu) 08:59 AM UTC Revised: 5/2(Thu) 07:00 AM UTC - 5/10(Fri) 08:59 AM UTC (tentative) ■Date of players selected for CBT notification email■ Previously: Around 4/19 (Fri) Revised: Around 5/1 (Wed) We sincerely apologize to all players for the postponement of the Android closed beta test.The CBT recruitment for the iOS version is scheduled to begin on Monday, April 22nd(Mon). More details will be provided via this account. Thank you for your patience! |
They peeped.
Wonder why the English language beta testers are being notified several days later compared to JP… It was all on the same date last time. And the actual beta stills runs the same dates this time.
I assume SENA is going on vacation and giving us the middle finger. But mayyybe it’s because there will be a much larger player base they need to recruit for from the US and other regions. ?
Some thoughts:
First, the NA account should be renamed to WESTERN or GLOBAL.
Second, the communication delays of the international account with respect to the Japanese one brings back very bad memories of Ux, with its delayed updates. I hope they have learned their lesson, because I'm telling you, I will not go through the same shit again.
Some thoughts:
First, the NA account should be renamed to WESTERN or GLOBAL.
Second, the communication delays of the international account with respect to the Japanese one brings back very bad memories of Ux, with its delayed updates. I hope they have learned their lesson, because I'm telling you, I will not go through the same shit again.
It seems they posted the announcement around the same time of day in North America as the JP did for its time zone. Maybe they did them separately so it would stand on its own since the information is a bit different.
Ever Crisis has been good about posting things simultaneously to both accounts from what I’ve seen, so that gives me some hope. And most of the other recent posts for ML have been simultaneous.
While I give them crap in jest, I don’t mind half a day difference. As long as we’re not going back to being several months behind on updates.
I’m officially making my bet that we’re getting a trailer Monday and announcement of a global beta. Content creators will be included in it. Pre-registration may start as well and we could get a release date, but not 100% on these two points. Don’t ask me why I think any of this.
I’m officially making my bet that we’re getting a trailer Monday and announcement of a global beta. Content creators will be included in it. Pre-registration may start as well and we could get a release date, but not 100% on these two points. Don’t ask me why I think any of this.
Global beta announcement before the next beta even starts? Interesting prediction. I could only see that if it is at the end of May, but I don't see them showing the release date.
Let's compare with FFEC to see if we can see any similarities. The game was revealed on February 25, 2021. The re-reveal was two years and a few months later, at the SGF June 8. The beta started on July 6, the release date was announced on August 10 and was released on September 7. As you can see there is one month between each event.
Now, ML has already had its second trailer on October 30, almost 2 years its announcement, and the beta was a month later on November 29. Unlike FFEC, it seems that the beta detected some problems and improvements, so they have continued working. 5 months later we will have the second beta on April 25, now May 5.
Assuming that this will be the last beta, and based on the pattern we observed in FFEC and ML, the release date announcement should be one month after the beta start date. So early June, and the release in early July.
So my bet on when the release date will be announced, as I've been saying for almost a year now, goes to June 7, at the SGF.
Global beta announcement before the next beta even starts? Interesting prediction. I could only see that if it is at the end of May, but I don't see them showing the release date.
Nah I’m saying this next beta starting May 2nd IS the global beta. That’s why SENA needs more time to notify participants than Japan does this round. They said they’ll be announcing the details about the recruitment on Monday and that’s when they’ll share that it is global rather than just UK and Australia.
We already know thanks to Cynical spilling the beans that they’ve been planning a wider beta that content creators would be a part of. This is that beta. It’s why most of them are being quiet about the delay situation because they know what’s coming.
I do agree with you that SGF will probably be the release date trailer alongside a KH4 re-reveal. But the SGF trailer for Ever Crisis was for the start of pre-registration and recruitment for the beta test. The trailer I believe we’re getting Monday will be the equivalent of Ever Crisis’ SGF trailer last year. It will announce pre-registration and the closed beta details. Then at SGF we’ll get a final trailer with the July release date.
Nah I’m saying this next beta starting May 2nd IS the global beta. That’s why SENA needs more time to notify participants than Japan does this round. They said they’ll be announcing the details about the recruitment on Monday and that’s when they’ll share that it is global rather than just UK and Australia.
Oh, then I join you in your prediction ?
I think it makes a lot of sense for this beta to be global, since in theory it should be the last one.
We already know thanks to Cynical spilling the beans that they’ve been planning a wider beta that content creators would be a part of. This is that beta. It’s why most of them are being quiet about the delay situation because they know what’s coming.
I think Cynical mentioned in the video that he was contacted to do things for the launch, he didn't mention anything about a global beta. But I would not be surprised if that were the case.
I do agree with you that SGF will probably be the release date trailer alongside a KH4 re-reveal. But the SGF trailer for Ever Crisis was for the start of pre-registration and recruitment for the beta test. The trailer I believe we’re getting Monday will be the equivalent of Ever Crisis’ SGF trailer last year. It will announce pre-registration and the closed beta details. Then at SGF we’ll get a final trailer with the July release date.
Yes! The previous trailer was also released on a Monday by the way.
We are so close! ?
If the trailer is real, I expect it will be the trailer that was shown to the exclusive group of the previous beta in Japan, who were with Nomura and the team doing a Q&A, where they showed the Disney worlds.
I think Cynical mentioned in the video that he was contacted to do things for the launch, he didn't mention anything about a global beta. But I would not be surprised if that were the case.
Yeah I’m thinking he may have been using “launch things” a bit loosely. This would still be to kick off the build up to the launch. It would be the equivalent of the pre-launch previews influencers often do for console games. They just probably have to do it during a beta with the way mobile games work.
If we’re getting a trailer, tomorrow is the day!
I hope I actually get into the beta this time. I just wanna get a proper feel for how the game works rather than just passively absorbing it.
Currently 12:18 PM in Japan rn. I expect people to be notified soon.
Currently 12:18 PM in Japan rn. I expect people to be notified soon.
Today isn’t the notifications. They’re announcing the full details of the recruitment for the iOS beta. It’ll probably be either 3pm or 8-9pm in Japan when they post it.
Registrations are open - https://www.kingdomhearts.com/missinglink/en-us/
Edit: well they would be if the page didn't lead to "The application period has finished."
Not GLOBAL and no trailer ?
Damn still only Australia and UK. Guess we’ll still have to wait a while if they’re going to do a wider beta.
EDIT: It looks like they updated the date for the JP testers to be notified to 5/1 as well… So I blame that for throwing off my prediction! ?
Also, shouldn’t they mention that in the tweet or make it more obvious in the website that it is only those locations? Last time they clearly called it out. I’m kind of annoyed about it.
Weird that they didn't make the UK / Aus thing more prominent. It's buried in one of the terms and conditions, not in their tweet, nor the FAQ on the website. Thought for a moment it was open to all lol.
Not GLOBAL and no trailer ?
I don't know why a trailer would have been made for a slightly delayed beta but TBH I'd just see them iron out some bugs from these tests before going to launch, skipping a big open beta test.
I'm amazed at how the form page isn't working though. Feels so on-brand for Missing-Link at this point.
I don't know why a trailer would have been made for a slightly delayed beta but TBH I'd just see them iron out some bugs from these tests before going to launch, skipping a big open beta test.
Luminary's theory was that another reason for the delay was because it was going to be global, so to promote that and have more people join, they were going to release a trailer.
I have been fooled ?
Release probably isn’t going to be until the fall now. If they aren’t starting pre-registration now, they’re likely going to wait until SGF for that. Then maybe do a global beta in July with a full release in September.
Seems pointless to do another iOS beta for the same regions and same number of people. Especially when it didn’t seem like the first one had that many issues. They could have at least added a larger player base to further stress test the servers. I guess they really just decided last minute that they needed to test iOS again due to whatever changes they’ve made to accommodate Android.
Not to mention, they could have just posted this info on Friday with everything else. What was the point in making us wait?
Not to mention, they could have just posted this info on Friday with everything else. What was the point in making us wait?
I guess since adding iOS was a late decision, they needed a bit of time to update the copy and make sure the legalities were all above board before publishing the terms and conditions.
I guess since adding iOS was a late decision, they needed a bit of time to update the copy and make sure the legalities were all above board before publishing the terms and conditions.
Sorry, I’m speaking more about saying it is only for Australia and UK. That could have easily been mentioned Friday.
Also, looks like for Japan, Android users will be notified on Friday but iOS users will be notified on 5/1. So that’s where the confusion with the notification date stems from.
I’ve done my best to stay positive, but I can’t deny the signs that everything with this game just seems sloppy and mishandled. If they’re having this many delays and issues getting a beta test running, the full release could be a nightmare.
The fact that we haven’t seen any footage outside of what was in the last beta test also exacerbates the feeling this game’s development is treading water. If they would show us more of the game, then we might be able to have a bit more faith that it is coming along and have something to be excited for.
The form is working now for anyone who wants to apply.
Edit: Application submitted.
see you guys at the post-post-pre-registration alphabeta network test v.7 in 2026. don't worry, though, all this hard work they're doing will be worth it when a CEO gets 1000 dollars from one player in the six months the game is running!
flash back to "noooo kingdom hearts is unfollowable because they require you to own a DS!!!!!"
I’ve done my best to stay positive, but I can’t deny the signs that everything with this game just seems sloppy and mishandled. If they’re having this many delays and issues getting a beta test running, the full release could be a nightmare.
Two delays, and this one is just one week. And the reason is to do the iOS one at the same time.
The fact that we haven’t seen any footage outside of what was in the last beta test also exacerbates the feeling this game’s development is treading water.
And I don't understand how the marketing indicates anything about the development, when the previous beta is a much better indicator of the current state, and I could only read positive things from those who could play.
If they would show us more of the game, then we might be able to have a bit more faith that it is coming along and have something to be excited for.
Well, that's exactly what this beta is for. We'll see in a week!
Although the beta will not show us the real state of the development, next week we will see all the improvements and additions compared to the last beta, and we'll be able to get an idea of whether we can expect any announcements in June or not.
Don't let the fact that it hasn't been a global beta bring you down! ?
2+ year wait from announcement on a phone game is still so crazy to me. It's funny to imagine that Nomura may be adamant that no KH4 info can be revealed before the release of this mobile game (for story reasons), and that this game was probably meant to have been completed months ago.
It's even got lots of finished music, which seems to be something that only happens late in development with KH. Wonder if we'll ever know what went wrong. In any case, I'm sticking with V-Cast!
I could only read positive things from those who could play.
I was curious and scroooooooooollleeed way back to December last year on Twitter to see what the impressions were and it was nice to see that they were positive. If the game can reverse the reception it has gotten in a lot of English-speaking parts of the web, then hallelujah.
Edit: I also wanted to add my two cents that the twitter account calling itself the account for North America was a mistake. It really should have been established that it was an account for all English speaking countries, but I have to say that it's disheartening seeing a lot of responses to the tweet have such a "we should come first" mentality.
Luminary's theory was that another reason for the delay was because it was going to be global, so to promote that and have more people join, they were going to release a trailer.
I have been fooled ?
Lum better stop bettin' on their predictions otherwise they gonna lose the Krusty Krab
You know, a trailer would have been nice. It's a shame one didn't manifest this time.
And I don't understand how the marketing indicates anything about the development, when the previous beta is a much better indicator of the current state, and I could only read positive things from those who could play.
The issue is we haven’t seen anything outside of what the beta contained. No Disney worlds. No other cutscenes aside from maybe one or two brief shots. I’m not saying it actually isn’t getting anywhere, only that it appears that way from an outside perspective. If they would show us something new, it would feel like we’re seeing progress from our end if that makes sense,
I thought the results of the last beta were positive too. Which is why you’d think they would either not need to do another test, add significant additional content from the full game to test something different, or at least test with more players. But everything is pointing to this just being the exact same content with whatever technical adjustments they made.
To try to stay a little positive, maybe they just want to test how it works with both platforms up and running considering the multiplayer elements. That’s really the only major benefit I can see with how they are doing this one.
You know, a trailer would have been nice. It's a shame one didn't manifest this time.
I know I’m being bitter because my prediction didn’t pan out, but I really hoped it was time for a little teaser again. Ever Crisis had several trailers prior to release, while this game has only had two. I’m worried they either don’t feel confident enough in the quality to market it at the same level or it’s still a ways off from release. Hoping my worries are unfounded.
I do really hope you get in it! It would be great to have someone in this space to share impressions.
I mean, tryin' to predict what a company does isn't always gonna pan out.
Also FF almost always gets better promotion so really no surprise.
I mean, tryin' to predict what a company does isn't always gonna pan out.
I’m just venting. Y’all complain and criticize all the time and I try to be respectful of it. You can let me voice my frustrations for a change. The ignore button is there if you need it.
I swear maybe if I start hating KH, y’all will actually start liking it again.
Emails went out to android applicants in Japan
Emails went out to android applicants in Japan
Assuming they don’t decide to add another closed beta for V Cast, I think we’re safely past the point of any more delays. I’m interested to see what changes have been made next week.
I signed up for JP beta, hope to get in
I signed up for JP beta, hope to get in
Let us know if you get picked! Fingers crossed for you!
As someone who actually enjoyed (what I played of) UX and all of Dark Road, I’m not exactly looking forward to this title but maybe a new trailer will have me singing a new beat
Only a couple days away now! Still quietly hoping there could be a little teaser drop when it starts or when it ends. Even something that says stay tuned for more info next month would be nice.
First bit of Missing-Link merch included in these cards. I really want the KH3 world cards
iOS beta emails for Japan just went out.
Notifications have been sent for the Japanese iOS beta!
No email here! Ah well, not the end of the world :)
No email here! Ah well, not the end of the world :)
Dang I was hoping the notifications hadn’t gone out yet for your region. Are you Android or iOS? Only seeing Android notifications on Twitter at the moment.
Dang I was hoping the notifications hadn’t gone out yet for your region. Are you Android or iOS? Only seeing Android notifications on Twitter at the moment.
iOS. The emails should have gone out at May 1st 7am UTC, which was an hour ago.
iOS. The emails should have gone out at May 1st 7am UTC, which was an hour ago.
Dang well I’ll hold out some hope for you that maybe they are delayed getting the iOS notifications out for UK/AUS. Don’t want to give you any false hope. Just surprised no one has posted anything about getting into that one yet.
Oh shit, guess emails were delayed... I got in ?
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Oh shit, guess emails were delayed... I got in ?
YASSS! Congrats!! Looking forward to seeing your thoughts on the game!
Also can’t help but notice the “expires in 84 days.” Could July 24th be the release date for the full game? ?
Thanks!
I wouldn't read into the expiry date, they're using a developing testing software and they probably just got a 90 day license for it.
Keen to see if my mind will be changed on Missing-Link. It's been pissing down rain for two days and the forecast doesn't look like that'll change much so I might just have to play from home for the majority of it.
First bit of Missing-Link merch included in these cards. I really want the KH3 world cards
iOS beta emails for Japan just went out.
is it possible to order these cards online?
Can't even play it because I haven't been emailed a code ?
There are new cutscenes!
I’m calling it that Nept is an ancestor of Aqua.
There’s also a lore bit about how they use “layering” to make the astral plane look like Scala. I’m wondering if this is what Yozora did to make the Final World look like Quadratum?
3 and a half hours after the beta started and iOS players still can't get in. I've missed you, SENA.
Edit: finally got the email
There are new cutscenes!
I’m calling it that Nept is an ancestor of Aqua.
There’s also a lore bit about how they use “layering” to make the astral plane look like Scala. I’m wondering if this is what Yozora did to make the Final World look like Quadratum?
A younger Master Odin, maybe? Hair colour aside, the way his eye could detect something not normally seen, his other eye being hidden, and his amiability and closeness to Freya (who is Odin's wife in Germanic myth) kind of sets off that thought in mind.
I was so confused about how to progress through the main story after reaching the astral plane.... there is no more main story apparently ?
Edit: I had recorded my time playing the game but it looks like my phone had run out of storage and out of the hour I played, only 24 minutes in the Astral Plane was saved. No way to restart the game, which means I can't replay the Station of Awakening :(
Seems like this is the first KH game to have generally pretty bad character designs all over. The new character (who I won't spoil by name) has a really generic design and colors that clash pretty hard. Hair in particular is looking rough in this title, but the designs themselves generally feel like ugly filler.
A younger Master Odin, maybe? Hair colour aside, the way his eye could detect something not normally seen, his other eye being hidden, and his amiability and closeness to Freya (who is Odin's wife in Germanic myth) kind of sets off that thought in mind.
I could see it, but honestly hoping we’ll meet young Odin separately. I don’t really see it being a meaningful twist to change his name to hide that they are the same person. The eye color also doesn’t match, though we’ve seen eye colors change before both intentionally or otherwise.
Wondering if we’ll encounter a woman named Gaia that could be Terra’s ancestor.
I was so confused about how to progress through the main story after reaching the astral plane.... there is no more main story apparently ?
Edit: I had recorded my time playing the game but it looks like my phone had run out of storage and out of the hour I played, only 24 minutes in the Astral Plane was saved. No way to restart the game, which means I can't replay the Station of Awakening :(
I was hoping with them talking about Remus explaining warp worlds that we would get to see that part and maybe visit one. Based on the dialogue though, I think it’s likely we’ll be going to Prankster’s Paradise eventually.
I could see it, but honestly hoping we’ll meet young Odin separately. I don’t really see it being a meaningful twist to change his name to hide that they are the same person. The eye color also doesn’t match, though we’ve seen eye colors change before both intentionally or otherwise.
Wondering if we’ll encounter a woman named Gaia that could be Terra’s ancestor.
Eh, your theory is more likely true anyway. The guy's name is Nept(une), after all. I'm just annoyed there still isn't much to explore, but that's why it's just CBT, I guess.
I've got the video uploading but here's a couple of screenshots from the story
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I gotta say, the computer room took me by complete surprise.
When the game launches properly btw, make sure you start it at home and when you've got time. The whole start takes half an hour of almost all cutscenes.
[SPOILER]That surprised me as well when I saw it on YouTube. The computer area honestly gives me strong Xenoblade vibes. Hope there is no Conduit for them to press in Scala lol. The figures standing on top of the building have a slight Neir air about them as well[/SPOILER]
Honestly, the more I see of this game, the more torn I find myself feeling. On the one hand, it looks great and really fun to play, but the gacha elements keep putting me off. I do hope the game is playable without the gacha being too invasive, but that's probably wishful thinking.
It's processing, give it a little bit if it's not working. I like the cutscenes, I like the early hints of the story, that part is all good.
But I found the gameplay to be a bit boring, and the AP costs are so high that I felt like I didn't really get to fully experience much of the the Astral Dimension. Plus I was hella confused.
The wardrobe is hideous. I don't think the mix and match elements works, since the items seem to only compliment the set they're purchased in. I gave changing the colours of items a go and it didn't improve anything.
But also, I changed the colour of the pants so my trans rights pants make this a 10/10
Scala is lovely. It's a nice small area to be given free reign in, even though there's nothing to do (at this stage!)
Like UX and Dark Road, I'm intrigued by the plot, but the very nature of it being a mobile game and the limitations of it still has me sceptical.
I thought you couldn't share screenshots or video? Unless it's different this time around
I thought you couldn't share screenshots or video? Unless it's different this time around
"Videos, live broadcasts, and images of the test may be posted for personal use only and in accordance with the "KINGDOM HEARTS" Series Guidelines for Live Streaming and Video/Image Posting, to be posted at a later date. We reserve the right to object to any use of KINGDOM HEARTS materials and we may submit takedown requests to third parties hosting any such content."
It’s reminding me a bit of Legends Arceus where you have NPCs who appear to be the ancestors of gym leaders and other important characters although they never outright confirm it. I do wish more effort had been put into the designs though. I get the idea of the uniforms, but they definitely clash with the hair colors.
I gotta say, the
computer room
took me by complete surprise.[spoiler]It’s interesting those researchers have similar outfits to those of Ansem and the apprentices with the white coats and ascots. Wonder if Ansem could have descended from them.
Also, time for a fanfiction where Nept is the father of Triton and that’s why he knows about Keyblade wielders. He’s bitter against humans and Keyblade wielders because of daddy issues. (Neptune/Poseidon being Trition’s father in mythology.) Lol[/spoiler]
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Like if anyone told me this was a screenshot of Aqua, I'd believe you
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This might be a crazy thing to say, but the more I look at
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Like if anyone told me this was a screenshot of Aqua, I'd believe you
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Yeah, but is he a decedent of Invi? We got an older fan theory to uphold!
The second beta just started and people are already theorizing.
We're so back.
Yeah, but is he a decedent of Invi? We got an older fan theory to uphold!
Eh? What older fan theory
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I'm happy that we're finally getting background info on Aqua and Terra in getting to see what their ancestors were doing. Nomura likes surprises and curveballs but I'm pretty confident in just calling them family. I wonder how these plot seeds will grow into the future. I bet Nept will have made some mistake, sin, or have an unfinished quest. So, Nept will be directly or indirectly responsible for some big thing that needs to be cleaned up in the modern day and the job will probably fall to Aqua.
I don't see any of the Guardians of Light really caring if they found out they were blue bloods. They'd just want to keep helping people and spending time with friends, same as always. They might even already know, just because we're in the dark about what their old family members did doesn't mean they don't know. If this sort of thing is become relevant I bet it'll be due to trolling caused by MoM or some other person like that. "Oh, Terra/Aqua, look at this! You're part of the important family line that's destined to accomplish X! Yes, it's because of your bloodline, not because I'm manipulating you to do something for me, now you'd better get to work! Only you can do it!"
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Eh? What older fan theory
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I think we could be pretty close to release based on the updates that were made to the game. I don’t think they’ll be making any drastic changes between now and release. From what I’m seeing, the additional graphic options have helped a lot with performance. Still some jank, but I think that’s inevitable with any of these GPS games.
The only thing I am holding out hope for is an English dub. With the number of cutscenes, I think it would be worth an English dub. I’m hoping Disney will push for it if there will be any voiced Disney characters. Only thing is that might slow down updates and cause the English story updates to take longer.
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Oh god not that one lol
It's crazy how it looks so detailed only to be pretty much wrong outside of the fact that Darkness existed for as long as light.
Also I miss Chuman and Muke
Well, at least it looks a bit more complete, though the frame rate is still shit. Honestly at this point, my back hurts, I'm starting to use retinol to prevent wrinkles, and I'm soon crossing the "top of the hill" of the expected human lifespan; I just want anything to come out before I start getting too old for this shit (buying video games and consoles in general, not just KH) and get made fun of by kids.
God, I can already imagine some 5 year old pointing at me while I'm waving my phone around outside and asking his mom what I'm doing and she's going to scold her kid to not look at me and lead him away because I'm being weird.
Looks like they don't include landmarks, there's not even a Scala building where the Sydney Opera House is! And the harbour bridge isn't there, I'm walking across water.
Looks like they don't include landmarks, there's not even a Scala building where the Sydney Opera House is! And the harbour bridge isn't there, I'm walking across water.
They got the Tokyo Metropolitan Building apparently so
So they just hate Aussie landmarks, got it. If they removed the Big Prawn in Ballina or the Big Potato in Robertson, they'll be hearing from me! /s
So the layered worlds is totally how worlds are gonna work in KH4 huh? And I bet Mickey investigating Scala is just a cutscene of him finding the Astral Dimension machine and they use that to try and find Sora.
I figured out my password to come back here just for this.
1) Astral Dimension is absolutely how worlds will work in KH4.
2) I found the next potential Kairi's grandma and it is the researcher woman.
3) Remus probably wrecked somebody under the influence.
4) Adam and Eve up on the roof seem like good "KH-ified" FF characters ala Yahoo and Loz
5) The manzai humor in this damn game is killing me, but the lack of sound effects is really making the whole thing weird so I don't know if I want to laugh at it or wonder why I am suddenly confused at jokes because they hit but don't?
6) Nept wow is this where Aqua got her intelligence from, but her mom must have been a damn hard worker because Aqua don't slack (except when she does)
7) WHY IS THIS A MOBILE GAME *breathe*
8) Moneys on Player being a Chirithy reborn or some shit
So, like...
Black feathers being planted by white-haired twinks who watch from above... uhh... there's no way, right???
So, like...
Black feathers being planted by white-haired twinks who watch from above... uhh... there's no way, right???
Look, I think I get the angle but its also like this could be multiple things:
1) the FFXIV writer is on this game and I believe she likes her white haired villains with angel motifs
2) Nomura working on Rebirth at the same time he was working on KHML lead to some creative crossover, intentional or not
3) its Nier for babies
It's weird either way because Sephiroth's advent children black feathers HAVE been used in KH already, in Zach's final scene. It's a very strange thing to include a technically-distinct-in-universe-reference to something they've already used, but, lol, they already did that with 104buya.
I wouldn't say there's anything unintentional or coincidental about it though.
So the layered worlds is totally how worlds are gonna work in KH4 huh? And I bet Mickey investigating Scala is just a cutscene of him finding the Astral Dimension machine and they use that to try and find Sora.
Months too late on this, but I am now realizing why Nomura named this world Scala Ad Caelum. It literally holds the stairway to heaven. Lol
I think the Astral Plane is just what we know as the final world. It can be layered to mimic a world your heart is connected with or something. This could be what we see Yozora do in the Re:Mind fight when the FW transforms into Quadratum. But this is just an illusion. The real world is where he wakes up after we beat him (or he beats us.)
The warp worlds that Remus is supposed to introduce us to will be the actual worlds like Kingdom of Corona. And however we get to them will be how Sora does it in KH4. Maybe once we unlock those, we can change the layering of the Astral Plane to match that world.
I went out for over an hour, went for a walk along a busy road for about 45 minutes then quickly went into a shopping centre and returned home via train. Had the hands free GPS mode running the whole time. This is the result.
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Don't know why only Piglet and White Rabbit are shown there. I got a Merryweather too.
Edit: Grand Chests are a part of the CBT roadmap, so I went out of my way to teleport to like Broken Hill to get one. Defeated the area's boss, unlocked the chest, cost some jewels and AP to get it.
Turns out I can't open it without either spending jewels or waiting 5 real days
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I went out for over an hour, went for a walk along a busy road for about 45 minutes then quickly went into a shopping centre and returned home via train. Had the hands free GPS mode running the whole time. This is the result.
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Don't know why only Piglet and White Rabbit are shown there. I got a Merryweather too.
Edit: Grand Chests are a part of the CBT roadmap, so I went out of my way to teleport to like Broken Hill to get one. Defeated the area's boss, unlocked the chest, cost some jewels and AP to get it.
Turns out I can't open it without either spending jewels or waiting 5 real days
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Oof and I’m guessing you can only put one chest in the slot to open after that time frame? And that’s a lot of jewels or AP. Especially the AP compared to what you earned walking.
At least it also picks up stuff while driving I guess.
Oof and I’m guessing you can only put one chest in the slot to open after that time frame? And that’s a lot of jewels or AP. Especially the AP compared to what you earned walking.
At least it also picks up stuff while driving I guess.
Yeah, this sounds great for commuters who drive. And I think I still have reservations about public transport users using GPS mode but it also seems tailored for them.
But this game is absolutely hostile to the 9-5 worker.
Yeah, this sounds great for commuters who drive. And I think I still have reservations about public transport users using GPS mode but it also seems tailored for them.
But this game is absolutely hostile to the 9-5 worker.
And those of us who work remote and also don’t have super walkable neighborhoods. ?
(Although it will be good for my health to have some motivation to get out and move more.)
Having gone for that 60 minute walk compared to a 60 minute train ride, it's less a game for walking and more for traveling as far as possible for more of the rewards.
Of course, you need the game running in the background all the time, so it's gathering your location data for the entire day.
Welp, I'm glad you guys are going to get the story for us, because the game sounds like a battery and privacy nightmare. Also, not much of a game.
Having gone for that 60 minute walk compared to a 60 minute train ride, it's less a game for walking and more for traveling as far as possible for more of the rewards.
Of course, you need the game running in the background all the time, so it's gathering your location data for the entire day.
Does it continue to register your steps and all even if you switch to other apps? Or does it have to be the active app on your screen for it to count?
Welp, I'm glad you guys are going to get the story for us, because the game sounds like a battery and privacy nightmare. Also, not much of a game.
It's a shame because the story is good, just like UX had a good story (though full of pointless filler quests). But people thought that pointing out the flaws of UX as a predatory mobile game meant attacking the story so let's see if they do that this time around as well.
And yes, it is quite a battery drain. Brought my phone battery down into the 30%'s after 3 hours. In fact, you can see that it went from being in the 60's to 30's in an hour in the screenshots above.
Does it continue to register your steps and all even if you switch to other apps? Or does it have to be the active app on your screen for it to count?
It asks to be connected to your health app, which collects my steps. I have an apple watch so that's constantly counting. Not sure how it does it if you choose to not connect it with a health app.
I figured out my password to come back here just for this.
2) I found the next potential Kairi's grandma and it is the researcher woman.
I'm still Team Ava for Kairi's grandmother
It's a shame because the story is good, just like UX had a good story (though full of pointless filler quests). But people thought that pointing out the flaws of UX as a predatory mobile game meant attacking the story so let's see if they do that this time around as well.
And yes, it is quite a battery drain. Brought my phone battery down into the 30%'s after 3 hours. In fact, you can see that it went from being in the 60's to 30's in an hour in the screenshots above.
Jesus, your battery's going to melt.
This is going to be a dumb question, but... what's there to do? The phone was running for hours, some enemies got killed and you got some rewards. Did you do anything?
Jesus, your battery's going to melt.
I actually was concerned with how hot my phone got after I unlocked raid battles.
This is going to be a dumb question, but... what's there to do? The phone was running for hours, some enemies got killed and you got some rewards. Did you do anything?
Not a dumb question at all because it was after less than a day of playing did I realise that this game was actually an incremental / idle game.
Years ago, when I was bored, I'd download some apps to play games to try and pass the time and one of those was a game called Adventure Capitalist. You'd have to think strategically at the start, to try and work your profits to maximise itself since it took a couple of minutes before you could redeem the money which was then funnelled back into making things faster, but very quickly you'd have everything automated and then make astronomical amounts of money in currencies that our current world aren't even at.
I realised that Missing-Link was exactly like that. To get the most rewards, you didn't have to do anything but travel a far distance quickly. By setting it to GPS hands-off mode, it'd just follow you and automatically fight heartless and collect treasures and pieces from any stops along the way (which in this mode don't cost AP! And in this mode, battles reward you with AP).
By the time I got home and ended it, all that was there for me to do was redeem rewards to slightly increase my HP, attack power, whatever, and use the thousands of materials gathered to gain a handful of levels for my Keyblade or pieces.
At it's core, it's an automated game; designed to get you into a loop of traveling far for the rewards at the trade off of location data - where you go, how long you're there, all that jazz. Because when you're in one place and playing in the free roam mode, it costs a LOT of AP to fight battles, collect pieces, and attack bosses. That's because they want you to find it's better to use the GPS system, to funnel you into having the app running in the background all day.
Look I say all this but then I'd stick around for the story so I'm knowingly a part of the problem ?. Sorry everyone.
So basically this is ultimately a ploy to get people to go outside and exercise
So basically this is ultimately a ploy to get people to go outside and exercise
No, it's not.
If it was, everything wouldn't be spread far apart on the map, and the game would accomodate proper commendations for tracking steps outside of coins from a weak weekly pass.
If it was about exercise, then the rewards from the app should be higher.
If you're on a treadmill, the rewards matter very little.
If you're on a walk or a run in your neighbourhood, going through a couple of suburbs, it matters very little.
If you're travelling a far distance in a short amount of time due to being on public transport or in a car, it matters more.
But a problem here is I seem to be the only one in the beta who's also on the forums, so I'm wary of my concerns being preachy or annoying, and I'll step them back because I don't want these initial feelings from a third beta dissuading or upsetting people.
But a problem here is I seem to be the only one in the beta who's also on the forums, so I'm wary of my concerns being preachy or annoying, and I'll step them back because I don't want these initial feelings from a third beta dissuading or upsetting people.
I think these are legitimate concerns, it's not like you're railing on the game for the sake of being negative. Idle games are dumb and I doubt many of us here would argue that. It's helpful to get a sense of what we might be getting ourselves into with this game, to set expectations.
As someone who never plays mobile games (I tried with Ux, DR, Nier Reincarnation, Ever Crisis, and gave up on them all very quickly), my intent has been to rough it out and actually play ML, understanding that at the end of the day it's an exploitative gacha game. I'm even willing to spend a limited amount of money on it but hoping to stick to mostly F2P. I enjoy walking around my neighborhood and was hoping that'd be enough to get me by. Based on what you're sharing though, it sounds like that might be difficult unless you commute a good distance every day or something (I don't, I'm WFH). And the battery issue is genuinely concerning. Course, we don't know how the overall gameplay balance is gonna pan out, but it's not sounding great.
I'm gonna give the game a fair shake, but ultimately it'll be on Square if they can't even keep a superfan like me engaged and entertained enough to stick with it.
I actually was concerned with how hot my phone got after I unlocked raid battles.
Not a dumb question at all because it was after less than a day of playing did I realise that this game was actually an incremental / idle game.
Years ago, when I was bored, I'd download some apps to play games to try and pass the time and one of those was a game called Adventure Capitalist. You'd have to think strategically at the start, to try and work your profits to maximise itself since it took a couple of minutes before you could redeem the money which was then funnelled back into making things faster, but very quickly you'd have everything automated and then make astronomical amounts of money in currencies that our current world aren't even at.
I realised that Missing-Link was exactly like that. To get the most rewards, you didn't have to do anything but travel a far distance quickly. By setting it to GPS hands-off mode, it'd just follow you and automatically fight heartless and collect treasures and pieces from any stops along the way (which in this mode don't cost AP! And in this mode, battles reward you with AP).
By the time I got home and ended it, all that was there for me to do was redeem rewards to slightly increase my HP, attack power, whatever, and use the thousands of materials gathered to gain a handful of levels for my Keyblade or pieces.
At it's core, it's an automated game; designed to get you into a loop of traveling far for the rewards at the trade off of location data - where you go, how long you're there, all that jazz. Because when you're in one place and playing in the free roam mode, it costs a LOT of AP to fight battles, collect pieces, and attack bosses. That's because they want you to find it's better to use the GPS system, to funnel you into having the app running in the background all day.
Look I say all this but then I'd stick around for the story so I'm knowingly a part of the problem ?. Sorry everyone.
So, I have a question, and I'll try to phrase it right.
When Dark Road came out, players quickly figured out that the best (only) way of "playing" the game was to let it play itself. Now, they had to let the phones run all night because iirc, the game had to be on. It didn't have any of the normal QOL things idle games had, because the game wasn't really intended to be played that way. It's just that the game was so poorly designed that it genre shifted.
The way you're playing ML right now, do you get the sense that this is the intended user experience, or is this a Dark Road situation?
And please don't apologise for being negative or preachy. I think we all appreciate the inside look into the thing.
...I think I"m going to have to get this power inverter as soon as I can. I also recommend you guys get a power bank for your phone if you are playing this a lot. In the old days before I got my driver's license, a power bank was I survived when I had to use uber/lyft a lot (with at least one of my phones, those were also VERY power hungry.)
..and I might think about getting a new power bank myself. The one I got is a gen back and a little slow to charge my phone.
[Edit] If you like Wirecutter, Here's their reviews on power banks. Wired knows what they're talking about tho I think. But keep in mind whatever you pick, it's best to have one that's not bulky and that you can slip in your pocket; you're on the go after all.
...I think I"m going to have to get this power inverter as soon as I can. I also recommend you guys get a power bank for your phone if you are playing this a lot. In the old days before I got my driver's license, a power bank was I survived when I had to use uber/lyft a lot (with at least one of my phones, those were also VERY power hungry.)
..and I might think about getting a new power bank myself. The one I got is a gen back and a little slow to charge my phone.
[Edit] If you like Wirecutter, Here's their reviews on power banks. Wired knows what they're talking about tho I think. But keep in mind whatever you pick, it's best to have one that's not bulky and that you can slip in your pocket; you're on the go after all.
Definitely the plan. And getting a new battery replacement…
....yeah this game isn't gonna last long...
So basically this is ultimately a ploy to get people to go outside and exercise
The ultimate goal is to sell your data as Chaser said. Whether from the start or later on, they will also get businesses to sponsor them by having chests, raids, etc. at their businesses. Each time a player sets foot in a sponsored location, they will pay SE a small fee for helping attract customers. This is how the PokeStops work in Pokemon Go.
....yeah this game isn't gonna last long...
I think you’re underestimating the game’s potential. DQ Walk just crossed $2 billion earned in Japan alone. This game could earn half that and still be the single most profitable game in the KH franchise by far. (With maybe the exception of UX. Not sure how much it made.) Even just a quarter of DQW’s earnings would be more than KH3’s total sales.
I've said it before but I think this game would be more successful if it was available on console
I give the game a year at least, 2 years at most
I've said it before but I think this game would be more successful if it was available on console
I give the game a year at least, 2 years at most
KH3 sold 7 million copies. Pretending all those copies sold for $60, that’s about $420 million. Compare that with DQ Walk’s $2 billion and it’s pretty clear why they think this will be more successful than a console game. From a purely financial perspective, this game is likely to be more successful than KH4. And could even end up financing several future KH projects in the way that DQ Walk likely helped fund games like DQ Monsters, Treasures, Infinity Strash, etc.
The gacha is predatory and awful, but unfortunately effective. And these geolocation games are much more popular in Japan. If anything, it will fail globally where they aren’t as popular, but they’ll continue to support it in Japan.
The only thing standing in the way of its success there is ironically DQ Walk itself. It’ll be interesting to see how two SE mobile games with the same core gameplay conceit perform side by side. Especially if you can’t play both simultaneously.
I think you’re underestimating the game’s potential. DQ Walk just crossed $2 billion earned in Japan alone. This game could earn half that and still be the single most profitable game in the KH franchise by far. (With maybe the exception of UX. Not sure how much it made.) Even just a quarter of DQW’s earnings would be more than KH3’s total sales.
Yeah, it really just depends on how rewarding they make the GPS mode loop and fix the free roam mode to be rewarding just enough to make players engage with it.
Done right, they could really draw people out, especially if they work with Disney to time it with film releases, special events at the parks, and other things.
Yeah, it really just depends on how rewarding they make the GPS mode loop and fix the free roam mode to be rewarding just enough to make players engage with it.
Done right, they could really draw people out, especially if they work with Disney to time it with film releases, special events at the parks, and other things.
Agreed. I imagine there will be some balance adjustments for the full release with what you earn.
If they can release it before D23, I could see some kind of special raid event taking place there. Even those who can’t attend D23 could buy in to teleport there in-game to participate.
The ultimate goal is to sell your data as Chaser said. Whether from the start or later on, they will also get businesses to sponsor them by having chests, raids, etc. at their businesses. Each time a player sets foot in a sponsored location, they will pay SE a small fee for helping attract customers. This is how the PokeStops work in Pokemon Go.
I think you’re underestimating the game’s potential. DQ Walk just crossed $2 billion earned in Japan alone. This game could earn half that and still be the single most profitable game in the KH franchise by far. (With maybe the exception of UX. Not sure how much it made.) Even just a quarter of DQW’s earnings would be more than KH3’s total sales.
Ah yes, the single most profitable KH game because it'll force people to pay up so they don't have to basically walk all day to get enough AP.
Yippie.
Sorry if I'm being harsh. Today hasn't been good.
Regarding the DQ Walk, how long as it been running? Because Dark Road collapsed itself almost immediately, it was that awful. It also didn't cost very much, so it 100% made its money back, but it probably had a significant opportunity cost as well.
These phone games are making it so nothing else can happen for KH.
Regarding the DQ Walk, how long as it been running? Because Dark Road collapsed itself almost immediately, it was that awful. It also didn't cost very much, so it 100% made its money back, but it probably had a significant opportunity cost as well.
These phone games are making it so nothing else can happen for KH.
It's been around since September of 2019 and it's Japan exclusive. Because Dragon Quest is extremely popular there.
And could even end up financing several future KH projects in the way that DQ Walk likely helped fund games like DQ Monsters, Treasures, Infinity Strash, etc
Not to be negative or challenge you on how business on things like this work, but is that really true for the Kingdom Hearts series so far? Because Union Cross/Chi or whatever was going on in the period between DDD and KH3, and we had no new *full* KH games unless you count the remixes and ports and small 2.8 game during that time. Along with the Verum Rex game being cancelled (or was it just postponed?) it really can't help but feel like:
These phone games are making it so nothing else can happen for KH.
Not to be negative or challenge you on how business on things like this work, but is that really true for the Kingdom Hearts series so far? Because Union Cross/Chi or whatever was going on in the period between DDD and KH3, and we had no new *full* KH games unless you count the remixes and ports and small 2.8 game during that time. Along with the Verum Rex game being cancelled (or was it just postponed?) it really can't help but feel like:
Tbf, Verum Rex wasn't canned. Nomura just chose KH4 first.
So, I have a question, and I'll try to phrase it right.
When Dark Road came out, players quickly figured out that the best (only) way of "playing" the game was to let it play itself. Now, they had to let the phones run all night because iirc, the game had to be on. It didn't have any of the normal QOL things idle games had, because the game wasn't really intended to be played that way. It's just that the game was so poorly designed that it genre shifted.
The way you're playing ML right now, do you get the sense that this is the intended user experience, or is this a Dark Road situation?
And please don't apologise for being negative or preachy. I think we all appreciate the inside look into the thing.
I think this is the intended user experience. I mean, it is built upon going out and about, having the game running during commutes etc. The longer you're out, the more AP you gather, which then lets you do more when you're stationary. I don't feel like I'm playing it any way that's not intended.
Ah yes, the single most profitable KH game because it'll force people to pay up so they don't have to basically walk all day to get enough AP.
Yippie.
Sorry if I'm being harsh. Today hasn't been good.
You’re fine. But yeah, we all know it’s predatory. I’m not praising how it will be successful. I’m just stating what the objective reality is. They win either way you play it. If you walk, they sell your location data. If not, you have to buy into it. If Japan takes to it even a fraction of the way they have with DQW, it will be around for awhile.
Not to be negative or challenge you on how business on things like this work, but is that really true for the Kingdom Hearts series so far? Because Union Cross/Chi or whatever was going on in the period between DDD and KH3, and we had no new *full* KH games unless you count the remixes and ports and small 2.8 game during that time. Along with the Verum Rex game being cancelled (or was it just postponed?) it really can't help but feel like:
I’m not sure how much UX made in comparison. But it probably did help to some extent with KH3 and Melody of Memory at least. By the latter’s release, I don’t think it was making that much anymore. I also think Nomura likely didn’t want to create more side games in that era leading up to KH3 for story reasons.
I don’t claim to know the inner workings of their finances, but it stands to reason that at least some of that income is invested back into the franchise.
I think this is the intended user experience. I mean, it is built upon going out and about, having the game running during commutes etc. The longer you're out, the more AP you gather, which then lets you do more when you're stationary. I don't feel like I'm playing it any way that's not intended.
Well
Doubt it'll have much mileage in the US then.
Now this is what I’ve been itching to see. Lol. It is giving Neverland vibes to me.
I took a slightly longer video but it was too large for imgur
It could be Pirates, Neverland, Tangled, or random jungle that's just outside of Scala! Who knows.
Well
Doubt it'll have much mileage in the US then.
I mean, isn't America the perfect target? Everything tends to be pretty far apart here, and as long as they utilize similar map data from other geolocation games, they will have points of interest in cities that people frequent. And in the big coastal cities, you have people utilizing public transportation to go all over. And if they aren't, they are driving long distances.
The only people this particular feature doesn't work well for are WFH folk, which is definitely not as prevalent as it used to be, and people in more closed in communities who don't travel much at all.
I do think this game probably works better in Japan due to the prevalence of public transportation, but this definitely will work very well in the US as long as you are a commuter.
-- Is the room where Sora wakes up also in Shibuya? Nomura: That is located in Minami-Aoyama. -- A great location! (laughs) So you've even established that? Nomura: Yes, we've also specified the room layout. The furniture and whatnot haven't been decided yet, so the interior will be undergoing some changes. That room will serve as the base for the early parts of the game. |
I wonder if Sora will join a society then, since the room won't serve as a base as the game progresses.
I got Kairi twice and lord is she going through it
As an aside from all the gacha-doom-talk, I finally finished watching the cutscenes, and as far as story goes, I’m hooked. It feels like a new vibe for the series, really leaning into this being a new saga. It’s refreshing. And I’m really enjoying the new characters so far, they have a lot of charm. It’s awesome to have some proper new story to chew on. Some plot elements are extremely intriguing.
The cutscenes themselves…. pretty rough around the edges. The lack of any sound fx/sound design is also unfortunate. I have no gauge for how much of this is just due to it being a CBT vs. they’re on a tight cutscene budget. Fingers crossed for some improvements there.
Have had the new Scala theme stuck in my head all day. Classic Yoko and it’s really giving Scala a distinctive touch. Again, feels fresh.
I’m in. Feels like we’re in for a wild ride, as always. Gimme more.
Does that use of hands-free mode for farming even require moving around? Based on what I have seen on livestreams, enemies seem to respawn at fast enough rate for it to work even when you stay in one place.
In any case, it looks like an unintentional exploit to me, and people in the beta should definitely report it as such. We don't want SE to be labelled as an environmental pig ? who encourages people to leave their devices running in high power consumption mode for long periods of time, do we?
I mean, that is what they are.
Does that use of hands-free mode for farming even require moving around? Based on what I have seen on livestreams, enemies seem to respawn at fast enough rate for it to work even when you stay in one place.
In any case, it looks like an unintentional exploit to me, and people in the beta should definitely report it as such. We don't want SE to be labelled as an environmental pig ? who encourages people to leave their devices running in high power consumption mode for long periods of time, do we?
I've found that in GPS mode, while remaining in one place, I have to physically touch the enemies to engage in battle. Turning on "hands-free mode" does not have my character fight any battles in my absence.
But using GPS mode and engaging in battles yourself definitely is a way to play the game since that doesn't cost AP and enemies do respawn quickly. And potions / ethers are common enough, plus you get a free health and MP recharge every hour with the hut.
I've found that in GPS mode, while remaining in one place, I have to physically touch the enemies to engage in battle. Turning on "hands-free mode" does not have my character fight any battles in my absence. But using GPS mode and engaging in battles yourself definitely is a way to play the game since that doesn't cost AP and enemies do respawn quickly. And potions / ethers are common enough, plus you get a free health and MP recharge every hour with the hut.
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Doesn’t that just defeat the purpose of exercise and autoplay at the same time?
I know everyone jumped on Neptune and a water theme but I'd laugh if Nept was named because of his iNEPTitude. The yawning, the Inspector and Operator having no faith in his society, but then he's in the legal system and the head of the society so he's gotta have been a go getter to get that far.
I went back to the 2022 trailer reveal for the game. I wonder how much story the game will launch with proper, since all scenes from that trailer were set after what's in the beta. Whoever has the No Name / Scapegoat keyblade still needs to appear, the player going to Ephemer's statue and he has the earpiece in, Brain standing around with his fedora, it was all there two years ago so I hope we don't have to wait to get that. Plus Tangled is a confirmed world in the game so I wanna get there.
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Doesn’t that just defeat the purpose of exercise and autoplay at the same time?
The game doesn’t care really if you exercise or not lol
But also if you use GPS mode and are in a treadmill or step machine going at a steady pace you can technically play?
I know everyone jumped on Neptune and a water theme but I'd laugh if Nept was named because of his iNEPTitude. The yawning, the Inspector and Operator having no faith in his society, but then he's in the legal system and the head of the society so he's gotta have been a go getter to get that far.
But isn't he clearly less incompetent than leader types in the series normally are?
But isn't he clearly less incompetent than leader types in the series normally are?
He's obviously good for something, as we saw from the feathers scene which the mysterious duo chalk up to him being an operations master, and to get to that level within society is surely a good thing.
But Nept being tired all the time, the Inspector having no faith in him and his society, him saying he's a part of the legal investigations committee but he doesn't attend meetings, Freya scalding him to sign his paperwork, to me at this stage he doesn't feel that competent. His personality is laid back and happy go lucky, but there's just something there that has me place him amongst the plethora of bad leader types in this series.
But isn't he clearly less incompetent than leader types in the series normally are?
He’s the Brilliant but Lazy type. He’s super smart, capable, probably knows more than he lets on, but is super lazy otherwise and uses that laziness to obscure how intelligent he is.
Although I think Remus and Freya know he’s capable but also talks out of his ass to obscure the truth of his actions and thoughts.
He’ll eventually reveal himself as some badass then revert to laziness again.
He's obviously good for something, as we saw from the feathers scene which the mysterious duo chalk up to him being an operations master, and to get to that level within society is surely a good thing.
But Nept being tired all the time, the Inspector having no faith in him and his society, him saying he's a part of the legal investigations committee but he doesn't attend meetings, Freya scalding him to sign his paperwork, to me at this stage he doesn't feel that competent. His personality is laid back and happy go lucky, but there's just something there that has me place him amongst the plethora of bad leader types in this series.
Yeah it’s one big running gag tbh.
Yeah it’s one big running gag tbh.
Oh yeah, absolutely. It's a common trope in this series and it was clearly employed again here. But I just want his name to be from ineptitude for the hehes and the hahas
| legal investigations committee |
You guys are fucking with me, right?
You guys are fucking with me, right?
It’s okay, Nept doesn’t attend the meetings.
You guys are fucking with me, right?
Keyblade bureaucracy and investor Moogles
Went into the city for 3 hours with hands free GPS mode on and it didn’t do anything the entire time.
Went into the city for 3 hours with hands free GPS mode on and it didn’t do anything the entire time.
Oh boi
It’s okay, Nept doesn’t attend the meetings.
YAY ETHYS BACK. HI ETHY
Devs are cruel for using the KH1 model of Pinocchio for his piece in order to not give away if we're seeing Disney characters in this game or not.
Devs are cruel for using the KH1 model of Pinocchio for his piece in order to not give away if we're seeing Disney characters in this game or not.
I’m interested to see if he gets a separate model or if they just Frankenstein-ed the old one to work in UE4 with the new paint job. Lol.
Looks like there will be maintenance today before the new piece posts are released. Wondering if they’ll make any other changes. And will this be the last content update or will they do anything for the last couple days here? It would be nice if they surprised you guys with a little additional story update.
Edit: [USER=56553]@Chaser[/USER] what do they mean by Volume? Almost sounds like it could be a different “layer”, but I’m guessing it’s not anything that cool. Lol
Doing the survey and "Q34. Please tell us which Disney World you would like to play with in this game."
y'all can thank me for the PatF Bayou level.
Edit: [USER=56553]@Chaser[/USER] what do they mean by Volume? Almost sounds like it could be a different “layer”, but I’m guessing it’s not anything that cool. Lol
Oh, the volume just refers to which growth log you've selected. It is just a list of things the game collects as you play and turns that into small increases to your health, attack power, etc. Growth Log volume 1 and Growth Log volume 2 collect different records of the pieces you collect.
You select one of those two to activate that it with the astral dimension, but your actions still unlock the passives for the one you don't have selected. I was wondering why you had to select one or the other when actions unlocked for both but it makes sense that it reflects the enemies and posts you get in the field.
Doing the survey and "Q34. Please tell us which Disney World you would like to play with in this game."
y'all can thank me for the PatF Bayou level.
Bewitching Bayou would be amazing. I’m hoping the Tiana show may become a film like Moana 2 so that IP can get more attention and a higher chance to appear. I could see it being one Disney pushes to add somewhere though. They seem to be giving it more love with things like the new rides at Disneyland and WDW.
Oh, the volume just refers to which growth log you've selected. It is just a list of things the game collects as you play and turns that into small increases to your health, attack power, etc. Growth Log volume 1 and Growth Log volume 2 collect different records of the pieces you collect.
You select one of those two to activate that it with the astral dimension, but your actions still unlock the passives for the one you don't have selected. I was wondering why you had to select one or the other when actions unlocked for both but it makes sense that it reflects the enemies and posts you get in the field.
Thanks for explaining! It would be cool if that was tied to a visual change of the environment down the line if they add more volumes or something.
Doing the survey and "Q34. Please tell us which Disney World you would like to play with in this game."
Is it possible for people that aren't playing the beta to do this survey?
No, you have to put in a unique code assigned to you.
There's only so many participants so your voice has the chance of being heard
I'd prefer Princess and the Frog to be in a console title but I'm not against it being in Missing Link.
I would've put The Rescuers or Phineas & Ferb because those are less likely to be in console games
Oh I didn't leave it at just one, I wrote a laundry list of Disney films I want in the mobile and console games.
I see that Warp World is the next chapter on the main quest list as “coming soon.” If they don’t add it during the beta, that’s such a mean tease. ?
Was it always listed there, Chaser? Or added post-maintenance?
Oh I didn't leave it at just one, I wrote a laundry list of Disney films I want in the mobile and console games.
What worlds did you pick if I may ask?
I see that Warp World is the next chapter on the main quest list as “coming soon.” If they don’t add it during the beta, that’s such a mean tease. ?
Was it always listed there, Chaser? Or added post-maintenance?
Always there
What worlds did you pick if I may ask?
Princess and the Frog, Raya, Encanto, Inside Out, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Moana, Tangled, Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, Incredibles, and Elemental. I think that’s all.
Oh no I forgot Treasure Planet… SE, let me speak to Nomura!!!
The Linking Hearts Ichiban Kuji that starts on 5/31 in Japan is confirmed to include Missing Link merch including a Fortune Gear keychain.
The Linking Hearts Ichiban Kuji that starts on 5/31 in Japan is confirmed to include Missing Link merch including a Fortune Gear keychain.
Are those shot glasses!?!? I NEED THOSE IN MY LIFE ?
The Linking Hearts Ichiban Kuji that starts on 5/31 in Japan is confirmed to include Missing Link merch including a Fortune Gear keychain.
So what's the time frame between these things anyway?
God, I don't wanna be a downer, but everything aside from the story - which seems super cool and intriguing on first blush - just looks so ... underwhelming?
The fact that it's basically an idle game, that the GPS-progression stuff is so slow, the gacha elements and in-game currency stuff ... I don't know. It really gives off the vibe of a game that will be shelved within a year. I don't see it getting Union Cross's six year run.
If the First Soldier - which was at the time riding a much hotter gameplay trend - was shuttered, then something that is trying to cash in on a trend that was briefly a thing for a summer eight years ago is doomed to failure.
God, I don't wanna be a downer, but everything aside from the story - which seems super cool and intriguing on first blush - just looks so ... underwhelming?
The fact that it's basically an idle game, that the GPS-progression stuff is so slow, the gacha elements and in-game currency stuff ... I don't know. It really gives off the vibe of a game that will be shelved within a year. I don't see it getting Union Cross's six year run.
If the First Soldier - which was at the time riding a much hotter gameplay trend - was shuttered, then something that is trying to cash in on a trend that was briefly a thing for a summer eight years ago is doomed to failure.
At least give Americans a chance to play before giving it the boot
So what's the time frame between these things anyway?
If you’re asking about the overall events themselves, there have only been three previously for KH. One at KH3’s release, one for Melody of Memory, and one for the 20th anniversary. The one for Melody of Memory was titled “Second Memory”, which is why people think this one could be related to Missing Link’s release.
Looks like my autumn beta is.... over.
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Looks like my autumn beta is.... over.
Thanks for sharing your impressions and answering questions! Glad you got to participate! Hope they give us some indication on when more info is coming soon.
Looks like my autumn beta is.... over.
*the other promise plays*
The official Japanese website has been updated
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.jp.square-enix.com/kingdom/ml/[/URL]
"Kingdom Hearts Missing Link
Please wait for a while until pre-registration begins."
Has several pieces featured on it too
English website updated too but it's very plain - https://www.kingdomhearts.com/missinglink/en-gb/
Fingers crossed that it's compatible with my phone. I've been confident that it would be until pre-registration recently started for Star Wars: Hunters (a game that I'm not that interested in anyways) and lo and behold it's not compatible with my device. I've been stressing about Missing Link ever since.
The official Japanese website has been updated
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.jp.square-enix.com/kingdom/ml/[/URL]
"Kingdom Hearts Missing Link
Please wait for a while until pre-registration begins."
Has several pieces featured on it too
English website updated too but it's very plain - https://www.kingdomhearts.com/missinglink/en-gb/
Oh yeah we’re likely getting the pre-registration trailer at SGF.
Oh yeah we’re likely getting the pre-registration trailer at SGF.
Imagine people expecting KH4 and then it's just the mobile game people despise for existing--
Imagine people expecting KH4 and then it's just the mobile game people despise for existing--
We’re likely getting both. Just a repeat of Ever Crisis and Rebirth last year.
We’re likely getting both. Just a repeat of Ever Crisis and Rebirth last year.
Hopefully, if not - the casual crowd will bash the mobile game
I'm excited for both but it'd be a big shame if they just show missing link and not also KH4.
They'll have to show KH4. Just like UX and KH3 in 2015.
SE ain’t that foolish lol they would absolutely show both if it was for an event of that scale.
I get why they call it Missing Link... because you'd have to be a NEANDERTHAL! To.. uh.. play it.
Okay I do wanna see more lol
SE ain’t that foolish lol they would absolutely show both if it was for an event of that scale.
Yeah the negative response from fans over KH4 not showing up after two years would likely overshadow any positive response to Missing Link. They don’t even need to show much if they want to save the big guns for D23. A short teaser with a release window and confirmation of more info at D23 would be fine.
I’m hoping Missing Link releases before D23. They could use the location features to have special raids, chests, etc. at the event. And you could still teleport there if you can’t attend in person.
I’m also ready to see what kind of quality we’re getting with the Disney worlds. And whether there will be an English dub or not. At least it seems it will be a simultaneous worldwide release.
I get why they call it Missing Link... because you'd have to be a NEANDERTHAL! To.. uh.. play it.
Okay I do wanna see more lol
Missing Link world for Missing Link confirmed??
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If they don't show KH4, I want someone in the stage to respond to the boos with "do you guys not have phones?"
Seems like the KH wafer that went on sale early in Japan today mentions that they are currently accepting pre-registgration for Missing-Link.
The official release date for the wafer seems to be June 4th, so I think the pre-registration will start by then.
Well that's exciting!
Seems like the KH wafer that went on sale early in Japan today mentions that they are currently accepting pre-registgration for Missing-Link.
The official release date for the wafer seems to be June 4th, so I think the pre-registration will start by then.
Nice find!! Since the kuji starts Friday, my guess is it’s going to be announced then.
your boy is on standby waiting for that funky MUSIC. It's a safe assumption that this game got delayed once or twice (as I said before, 2 years from reveal to release for a gacha spinoff is crazy) it's possible that they were able to include more finished music in the release, since music usually comes late in the process and there was time to kill.
I’m eager for the bold new direction that Dearly Beloved goes this time. Maybe we’ll get an harmonica in the mix
I’m eager for the bold new direction that Dearly Beloved goes this time. Maybe we’ll get an harmonica in the mix
You haven’t heard the Camp Rock Dearly Beloved yet?
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Kingdom Hearts: Missing Game
Kingdom Hearts: Click here for game
Me: but there's no link
SE: ?
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#tomorrow....
#tomorrow....
KH Discord????
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I crawled out of a several-year hiatus just to ask this question.
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So.
Been a couple months.
To the day in fact.
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welp
this thing is getting canned
welp
this thing is getting canned
If it were getting canceled outright they wouldn't have said it was getting delayed.
If it were getting canceled outright they wouldn't have said it was getting delayed.
I was just stating my lack of faith that it will survive.
Hello everyone. I was urged by a user on bsky to make an account here, so i made it. Found some small KHML related things if anyone is interested a few days ago. I complied my findings in one thread. These took over a week to gather:
[URL unfurl="true"]https://bsky.app/profile/illty.bsky.social/post/3lboxniw5ps2d[/URL]
I also made a small update thread with a few pieces of additional infromation, including a new github page:
[URL unfurl="true"]https://bsky.app/profile/illty.bsky.social/post/3lbps2jells2f[/URL]
I am also looking for a dump of the beta if anyone still has the game installed on their phone.
They might as well just scrap this game, honestly. I don't know why it's randomly stuck in development hell but the lack of communication, promo, and just… interest, is kinda horrible. Like I feel like even us die-hard fans kinda stopped giving a f*ck
They might as well just scrap this game, honestly. I don't know why it's randomly stuck in development hell but the lack of communication, promo, and just… interest, is kinda horrible. Like I feel like even us die-hard fans kinda stopped giving a f*ck
I think the only way they’re gonna win back the interest of fans is if they have a really strong showing of it in the next reveal. Like having dubbed voice acting, showing Disney worlds that have never been in the series, exciting lore implications, original character reveals, etc.
That and showing it alongside a new KH4 trailer. The hype around the latter would definitely rub off on ML. I don’t think it will be as successful if they wait to show KH4 again until after it releases. This is still a reason I think the game isn’t out yet as they may be trying to release it closer to KH4.
showing Disney worlds that have never been in the series
Even if these hypothetical worlds would have never ever been considered to show up in a mainline game, my lizard brain would still feel like we'd been robbed of them being fully realized and that they were wasted on the gacha mobage.
Even if these hypothetical worlds would have never ever been considered to show up in a mainline game, my lizard brain would still feel like we'd been robbed of them being fully realized and that they were wasted on the gacha mobage.
That’s valid. I feel that way about Game Central Station… If it happens, it at least gives them some assets to use if those worlds ever come to a mainline game.
But at least have old worlds that have been completely redesigned in Unreal Engine. I just don’t want to see only KH3 worlds since they’re the only ones currently in UE4.
But at least have old worlds that have been completely redesigned in Unreal Engine. I just don’t want to see only KH3 worlds since they’re the only ones currently in UE4.
If the reports from the closed focus group are true, there was footage of a few old worlds in the game --
[SPOILER]and Pinocchio was very heavily hinted at in the beta. [/SPOILER]
You know what I just realised?
Aren't gacha games banned in a few countries?
Bet we get Traverse Town, it was on the monitors in the MoM's computer room.
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i don't want to see any of you speculating that this game got cancelled when there isn't a trailer at TGA. the game isn't cancelled because of that, it's cancelled because I think it sucks!
Still looking for the game dump if someone still has the game installed.
Still looking for the game dump if someone still has the game installed.
Not happening, bud.
Not happening, bud.
Also it wouldn't even be playable, if someone wants to datamine Missing Link, they can do it whenever it releases.
It would be interesting to see assets, reading code, find the stuff in game that properly changed between beta and release that aren’t as obvious.
If I still had it on my phone I would help but I deleted the app when the beta finished, sorry ?
What i'm trying to do is to just preserve it. Obviously many of the things in the game will change beta vs. release, and mobile games rarely get properly preserved in any shape or form. I don't care that it does not run/isn't playable, i just want to take a peek at the assets of it and stuff like that. I have the AES key to decrypt the game, practically everything i need to actually inspect the game and its assets, but not the actual game dump to do that.
So again, if someone has the game still installed on their phones, i can walk you through it on how to dump it.
Think about the possibilities too, someone could port missing link maps and stuff like that to KH3 too as mods.
Wonder if we'll even get it this year. It's already February, but I guess it's still early.
Looks like some footage of the original JP prototype test has found its way online. You can tell as the character piece icons are circular rather than square like the latter two betas.
Wonder if we'll even get it this year. It's already February, but I guess it's still early.
i was expecting an update for a May release since we've hit 3 years but sadly i think we are GG'd ?
Whenever it releases, it'll probably flop.
I don't want it to, I think it looks fun but it's a shame it's attached to this GPS feature.
i was expecting an update for a May release since we've hit 3 years but sadly i think we are GG'd ?
3 years is crazy for a mobile game, I feel like resources should've been put into a side KH console game. Or at the very least porting Missing Link to consoles as a F2P game without the GPS functionality.
If the game fails, will it be delisted like Union X? From my understanding, there's no official way to watch the cutscenes unless you have the Union X app downloaded. Will they just turn Missing Link into a cutscene app and that'll eventually be taken off the app store?
I think the Kingdom Hearts Youtube should upload the cutscenes on their channel if they're never planning on remaking Union X.
The casual fanbase shouldn't have to look at someone else's videos for Kingdom Hearts lore.
One of the developers of ML who posted the above footage has shared some details on the game on his website.
It appears ML is being developed entirely in-house by CBU1 rather than being outsourced like UX/DR. Development started in January 2019 and is using UE5.
There’s also a character piece based on Tidus shown in one of the gifs, which we haven’t seen before.
EDIT: Removing the link to the dev’s portfolio as he’s requested that it not be used as a source of game information.
6 years of active development? If that's true, holy fuck how irresponsible and embarrassing to spend that much time and money on an extremely risky mobile game with such an incredibly narrow target audience.
It using UE5 makes me slightly suspicious of this info, however, considering KH4 only began using UE5 in mid 2022.
6 years of active development? If that's true, holy fuck how irresponsible and embarrassing to spend that much time and money on an extremely risky mobile game with such an incredibly narrow target audience.
It using UE5 makes me slightly suspicious of this info, however, considering KH4 only began using UE5 in mid 2022.
I’m guessing they probably switched for ML around the same time and that contributed to it taking so long. Developing both in the same engine probably makes asset sharing easier. And 2019 probably includes pre-production work.
Him posting clean footage of the prototype build, when all the previous footage was scrubbed, and footage with previously unseen pieces is enough proof for me that it’s legit. I just wonder why he’s able to share this out now.
This also seemingly means they have two full internal dev teams now for KH within CBU1/Creative Studio 1, which is interesting.
6 years of active development? If that's true, holy fuck how irresponsible and embarrassing to spend that much time and money on an extremely risky mobile game with such an incredibly narrow target audience.
It using UE5 makes me slightly suspicious of this info, however, considering KH4 only began using UE5 in mid 2022.
The link is legit.
>The game is still mobile
Neeeeed him to have worked on KH4 at the start and make a post so we can see if Missing-Link or KH4 has been in development longer.
If they really did spend 6 years of actual production dev time in this, this is a catastrophe. They've spent serious money on a genre that even Harry Potter flopped at, and where even Pokemon is now struggling. But Kingdom fucking Hearts is going to outdo those two?
To be fair, Missing Link is the byproduct of an experimental build using KHIII's tech that was built in 2018 and approved to be made into its own game. He may be counting the time of experimental dev which would have been when KHIII was released, in January 2019, which coincides with what his site says. At that point, he mentions that he was the only person working on the project to get it greenlit, so it's not like the entire 100 person team was working on it for six years.
Everything else at Squeenix is getting cancelled but the mobile game makes the cut??? Are they stupid?
This has to be just sunk cost fallacy. I hope they find their whales and can wrap up this rubbish quickly once they turn a profit - if they ever do after a 6 year dev cycle with presumably 2 of it spent on UE5.
Urgh, oh God this is a real head in my hand moment. Its not even outsourced. They've genuinely spent all that time dedicating one of their dev teams to a phone game - we could have literally anything else like the remakes of various games that various parts of the fandom have been clamouring for. They would have been quicker and some guaranteed money at least!
This whole thing makes me realize how relatively smoothly the franchise has moved til recently. We've never seen KH hit such an obvious snag and experience so much difficulty until ML.
I'm looking forward to ML finally coming out so I can kinda just pore over the stuff that interests me (the music, Scala, story shit... the character designs seem really weak for a KH game so I don't care about those) and then just kinda watch it all fall apart and go into EoS. I don't want KH to become synonymous with failure, but the mismanagement here is fucking stunning.
They are simultaneously unable to wipe the dollar signs out of their eyes and they're unable to just make a simple, achievable KH gachaslop game that'd be infinitely more profitable and easy to manipulate the masses with. Hello?? Daily pull to try and get Sleepy Time Goofy, Bikini Aqua, and Gimp Suit Xemnas?? Infinite money glitch??
I think there is a lot of overreaction in this thread. I do not believe the game has been in active development since 2019, but more brainstorming, pre-planning, and pre-production. I would like to believe Square Enix has the data that would imply a successful venture here, regardless of the wait time.
Kingdom Hearts fans are passionate, so there will be whales, and there will be those who continue playing long after KH4 is out or ML's story concludes.
I think there is a lot of overreaction in this thread. I do not believe the game has been in active development since 2019, but more brainstorming, pre-planning, and pre-production. I would like to believe Square Enix has the data that would imply a successful venture here, regardless of the wait time.
Kingdom Hearts fans are passionate, so there will be whales, and there will be those who continue playing long after KH4 is out or ML's story concludes.
Might be a bold take, but I think creating a product that can only succeed by preying upon a small sect of vulnerable, financially irresponsible people is actually a bad thing!
My ideal scenario here is that by the time they launch it, the core team will have fully developed a good 2-3 years worth of future content for the game. From there, a core team can stay behind to support the game while the rest can start up another console project (maybe UX/DR remake). If it’s an asset flip, they could probably have something released by 2028/29 after KH4 releases in 26/27. Then we could get in a rhythm of a KH game every 2 years or so. ML could be like a long training project for this new team like BBS-2.8 were for the KH3/KH4 teams, And it could potentially finance the next few games in the series if it gets anywhere near DQ Walk’s revenue.
I tend to look on the optimistic side, but I think it SE didn’t see strong potential in the game, it would have been scrapped along with the other content cuts. Developing it internally, using a new engine for it, and taking the extra time to fix whatever issues they ran into shows this isn’t intended to just be a low effort cash grab.
I will also admit I am excited for the potential of the game to provide a steady stream of KH content. That was an under-appreciated aspect of UX, even if it wasn’t always consistent. ML honestly could have unlimited potential if you’re a creative person who likes to role play. You can team up with your real world friends, go on an adventure to free a section of the map from darkness, and make your own little KH story out of it.
The gacha element is obviously the biggest drawback. I wish they’d just have paid story episodes plus the money they make from selling location data and from in game items like raid tickets, AP refreshers, cosmetics, etc. But since the target audience in Japan loves gacha stuff, it’s not likely to change.
Since we now know it’s using UE5, something noteworthy is that the engine had a version 5.5 update back in November that focused a lot on improvements for mobile game development. The ML team may have wanted to take advantage of the new and improved features before launching it. Apparently UE hasn’t been the best engine historically for mobile game development, so that may have been the source of some of their struggles.
Might be a bold take, but I think creating a product that can only succeed by preying upon a small sect of vulnerable, financially irresponsible people is actually a bad thing!
It's how all mobile games work, sadly.
Anyone roughly remember when the Missing-Link website first said "pre-registration information coming soon"? I'm kinda hoping we get to a year of "coming soon."
to be honest I'd love to see a fanbase-wide poll to determine how many fans are actually going to try Missing Link. I don't have a phone powerful enough to run it and I don't want to do any fancy emulator stuff to try to get it working on PC so I'm pretty much out
Anyone roughly remember when the Missing-Link website first said "pre-registration information coming soon"? I'm kinda hoping we get to a year of "coming soon."
Around May 24th. You were the one who told us. lol
English website updated too but it's very plain - https://www.kingdomhearts.com/missinglink/en-gb/
Funny enough, the Linking Hearts thing starts May 23rd.
yay for timeless river past me
to be honest I'd love to see a fanbase-wide poll to determine how many fans are actually going to try Missing Link. I don't have a phone powerful enough to run it and I don't want to do any fancy emulator stuff to try to get it working on PC so I'm pretty much out
My plan is to watch the cutscenes on YouTube. Or more likely, read the wiki summary.
The only way I'll play it is if they also release it on PC and/or consoles like Ever Crisis (which, incidentally, is the only way this project could possibly work out, I think).
My plan is to watch the cutscenes on YouTube. Or more likely, read the wiki summary.
I'm on the same boat. My phone probably wouldn't run it anyway, but I don't like running battery-draining apps like this or even taking my phone out on the street for more than 5 seconds in the first place.
Around May 24th. You were the one who told us. lol
Funny enough, the Linking Hearts thing starts May 23rd.
And the Steam announcement was on May 21st!
And the Steam announcement was on May 21st!
Yeah I definitely think that’s a week to keep an eye on. At the least, they should be announcing the All in One package for the PAL regions around that time. Hoping that coincides with something more. Maybe a KH 2025 trailer with a handful of announcements.
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