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KINGDOM HEARTS Melody of Memory game announced, releasing worldwide in 2020

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Check out the brand new trailer for KINGDOM HEARTS Melody of Memory, releasing worldwide in 2020 for PS4/XBO/Switch! Featuring over 140 songs and 4 gameplay modes including online functionality, you'll surely not want to miss it!

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Absent

June 16, 2020 @ 03:05 pmOffline

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Oh! That latter part of the trailer was unexpected.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:08 pmOffline

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So many feeling right now...

Kairi seems so SO interesting right now. I hope this doesn't mean the Kairi storyline will be cut scenes in the rhythm game...

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:08 pmOffline

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Wait, so....rhythm game or Kairi plot game? Super mixed messages for me lol

mouflon

June 16, 2020 @ 03:10 pmOffline

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Was expecting nothing, actually kind of excited.

A legit KH rhythm game is so weird and bonkers to me but also... the Kairi stuff and... yeah, I want.

Muke

June 16, 2020 @ 03:12 pmOffline

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I‘m guessing Kairi‘s game will be short enough to warrant another game bundled with it (the rhythm game). Some kind of thing like 2.8 in which 0.2 was fairly short

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 03:13 pmOffline

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I'm guessing the Kairi stuff is the prologue to the actual DDD Volume 2. That game will start were Melody of Memory ends

Ink Ribbon

June 16, 2020 @ 03:14 pmOffline

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Super interested in the last section of that trailer. I dislike rhythm games so I’m hoping the Kairi section is teaser for a separate DDD2 game. Can’t wait for a translation to get more context though.

Katsagu

June 16, 2020 @ 03:14 pmOffline

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I am very worried by what I saw in the end. I can't believe they're once again making a game that is completely different to the rest essential to the story.

I mean, it even looks like we will find who MoM is in this game. IN THE RHYTHM GAME!

Like come on, sometimes it's fine to just make a spinoff.

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 03:14 pmOffline

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Theathrym KH with a typical Nomura-twist I suppose?

Well, it seems to address the Fall of Radiant Garden nine years prior to KH I. Hopefully Nomura won't axe the FF cameos yet again...

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:15 pmOffline

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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

IT'S APPRENTICE XEHANORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm dying! He's back! AHHHHHHHHHH

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Okay, I'm recomposed, JHAHJAHJAHJAHJAHJAHJAHJAHJHJAJHAHJHJAHJ

Absent

Oh! That latter part of the trailer was unexpected.

Yeah, I'm lost. Is it gonna be a scenario after finishing Memory of Melody?

Also, looks like this is Nomura's own take on Threaterhytm.

Xagzan

Wait, so....rhythm game or Kairi plot game? Super mixed messages for me lol

Maybe both?

Muke

I‘m guessing Kairi‘s game will be short enough to warrant another game bundled with it (the rhythm game). Some kind of thing like 2.8 in which 0.2 was fairly short

KINNGDOM HEARTS III.2
Memory of Melody and Birth by Kairi

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:15 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

I'm guessing the Kairi stuff is the prologue to the actual DDD Volume 2. That game will start were Melody of Memory ends


Would be great but in that case they basically showed us some of the ending haha.

All I know is it'd be really weird, if this is her game, if Kairi isn't playable in the Kairi-centric game. Cause we saw no gameplay in her half of the trailer after all.

So confused right now.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:15 pmOffline

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Muke

I‘m guessing Kairi‘s game will be short enough to warrant another game bundled with it (the rhythm game). Some kind of thing like 2.8 in which 0.2 was fairly short


My thoughts exactly, the game may just be a double feature... Even the rhythm game looks neat, you can even dodge roll in the battle with xemnas.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:16 pmOffline

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Unless, of course, Kairi's game is gonna be its own separate thing and they still haven't decided a name for it

Katsagu

June 16, 2020 @ 03:19 pmOffline

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Does it mean something that pixar appears on the trademark?

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:19 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Unless, of course, Kairi's game is gonna be its own separate thing and they still haven't decided a name for it

In a way, I truly hope so... But the title MoM and the platforms comes after the Kairi scenes...

Happyfunshineman

June 16, 2020 @ 03:20 pmOffline

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Looks cute! I love how they’ve mixed the rhythm with “combat.” It really does seem like the KH take on Theatrhythm. I love it.

I wonder what that Kairi stuff at the end was? Maybe the setup for the game is Kairi going through Sora’s memories.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:22 pmOffline

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Things in the rhythm game:

- Possibly online playability (Sora vs. Sora)
- Possibly Co-op (Sora and Riku)

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 03:23 pmOffline

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I'm positive Kairi's grandmother will appear in flashback. If she is actually Ava now would be a good time to confirm it

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:23 pmOffline

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Henryp

In a way, I truly hope so... But the title MoM and the platforms comes after the Kairi scenes...

Good point.

Happyfunshineman

Looks cute! I love how they’ve mixed the rhythm with “combat.” It really does seem like the KH take on Theatrhythm. I love it.

I wonder what that Kairi stuff at the end was? Maybe the setup for the game is Kairi going through Sora’s memories.

Melody of Memory could reference both games tho
Melody because of Threathrym
Memory because of Kairi game

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:23 pmOffline

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Also this should go without saying at this point but, ahem

ASK. HAYDEN.

If she says no, she says no. But there's really no excuse for not contacting her.

Twero

June 16, 2020 @ 03:23 pmOffline

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A rhythm KH game, looks nice and all...
See the ending of the trailer

NOMURAAAAAAAA
I jsut hope this game doesn't come at the pricing of 60 USD.

TheGreatEphemera

June 16, 2020 @ 03:25 pmOffline

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My body is not ready...
Also Melody of Memory, Master of Masters... MoM.

Nomura you sly dog.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 03:25 pmOffline

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Also who was that man on the dark cloak. I doubt it's MoM so I'm guessing he is Darkness

Katsagu

June 16, 2020 @ 03:25 pmOffline

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Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:26 pmOffline

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The Kairi Scene is also on the official MoM web page. Hope we get translations to that soon!

I crave a Nomura's interview so much right now...

Muke

June 16, 2020 @ 03:27 pmOffline

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Even the rhythm section looked fun to me! I am excited for this game, even though we might not even play as Kairi

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:28 pmOffline

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Xagzan

Also this should go without saying at this point but, ahem

ASK. HAYDEN.

If she says no, she says no. But there's really no excuse for not contacting her.

Fans harassing voice actors should be a thing of the past.

Twero

I jsut hope this game doesn't come at the pricing of 60 USD.

ha... ha... ha...

TheGreatEphemera

My body is not ready...
Also Melody of Memory, Master of Masters... MoM.

Nomura you sly dog.

MoM's identity revealed in a game whose initials are MoM lol

Katsagu



Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.

Another bridge game and then KHIV

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:29 pmOffline

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Katsagu



Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.


Yeah, looks like the current Saga doesn't have a name yet and we are in Phase 2 of KH. I would have said we are in Phase 5 or so but OK.

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 03:29 pmOffline

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Is the kairi game it's own thing? this is confusing

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:30 pmOffline

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Henryp

Yeah, looks like the current Saga doesn't have a name yet and we are in Phase 2 of KH. I would have said we are in Phase 5 or so but OK.

The Foretellers Saga?

the red monster

Is the kairi game it's own thing? this is confusing

Yes.

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 03:30 pmOffline

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Katsagu



Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.


I guess one of these might be the "Second memory" stuff they show off in the Soundtrack trailer, the one with Lea/Axel, Roxas and Sora in the background.

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:31 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Fans harassing voice actors should be a thing of the past.


Heck are you talking about? I mean Square Enix's localization team, ask her to come back. Unlike how she said they did not for KH3.

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 03:31 pmOffline

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Lol and people thought it wouldn't be a rhythm game. The kairi stuff is probably gonna be an unlockable movie or mode for some KH3 songs.

Ryuman

June 16, 2020 @ 03:32 pmOffline

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I guess the new scenes are unlocked throughout or after the game. Perhaps they lead into a more traditional title, then maybe KH4 after that?

Game looks fun, especially with multiplayer features.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:32 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

The Foretellers Saga?


Has it been officially named anywhere? I was just saying than on top of Remind/DR/Mom it says Phase 2nd

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:34 pmOffline

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Ryuman

I guess the new scenes are unlocked throughout or after the game. Perhaps they lead into a more traditional title, then maybe KH4 after that?

Game looks fun, especially with multiplayer features.

Oh, God. Melody of Memory is gonna be this saga's very own coded: as you finish a world, more cutscenes are unlocked, in this case, from Kairi's memory. This means that the latter half of the trailer are Kairi's memories. Guess she was inside the Ark because Xehanort trapped her there.

Henryp

Has it been officially named anywhere? I was just saying than on top of Remind/DR/Mom it says Phase 2nd

It still hasn't gotten a name. Or maybe the MoM's Saga? Maybe they're waiting to reveal his name before giving the saga a name?

blank points

June 16, 2020 @ 03:34 pmOffline

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Holy..... I have to be honest, this is the first time ever where I don't know what to think. On the one hand, I am hyped as hell for the last part of the trailer. At the same time, I never cared much for rhythm games, so I don't know how I feel. Still looks cool though. This might be the first music rhythm game I try lol.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 03:35 pmOffline

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Katsagu



Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.

Good find. I'm guessing the spots are for DDD Volume 2 and KH4

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:36 pmOffline

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Be real crappy though if we get a Kairi game without playable Kairi.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:37 pmOffline

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In the case the Kairi part is playable, can the Switch support the level of graphics and details of KH3 and remind? It seems to be done with the Sam engine and assets

In case the Kairi part is not playable... She was really fun in remind, why they keep neglecting her.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:37 pmOffline

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Introducing Melody Sora. A brand new Sora able to go through memories via the right melody of music.

Anyway the trailer certainly has me hyped. Kairi spotlight at last. Quite a change from her 2019 run. And I really love that they brought back apprentice Xehanort and Ansem, Even, and Ienzo are still around. Glad the extended KH universe cast isn't just being dropped.

It's for the PS4 so I can play it. I guess I better learn how to play a rhythm game lol.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 03:38 pmOffline

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Henryp

can the Switch support the level of graphics and details of KH3 and remind? It seems to be done with the Sam engine and assets

We don't know how ambitious the Kairi segment is, but Unreal Egine 4 has an optimization option for the Nintendo Switch.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 03:38 pmOffline

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I...I don't get it.

Why put Kairi's story in the same game as a Lala Happy Fun Time KH1 Sora Rhythm Game?

Why do a rhythm game at all??

Don't they know the big divide regarding any gameplay that isn't even remotely KH2-style?

Is it actually a fake-out and the rhythm part doesn't exist or is just an extra mode?

Eh???

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:41 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

We don't know how ambitious the Kairi segment is, but Unreal Egine 4 has an optimization option for the Nintendo Switch.


Thanks, that ease a little bit my mind.

I am seeing it coming, no playable Kairi in the entirity of the game... I don't mind a action/rhythm installment in the series, but not at the cost of Kairi's spotlight

Katsagu

June 16, 2020 @ 03:41 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

I...I don't get it.

Why put Kairi's story in the same game as a Lala Happy Fun Time KH1 Sora Rhythm Game?

Why do a rhythm game at all??

Don't they know the big divide regarding any gameplay that isn't even remotely KH2-style?

Is it actually a fake-out and the rhythm part doesn't exist or is just an extra mode?

Eh???


It's honestly mind boggling that they're putting story important stuff in the rhythm game... And not just some trowaway stuff. It looks like MoM reveal is here and the girl from the secret reports in KH 3 is showed here too.

PikaPal

June 16, 2020 @ 03:41 pmOffline

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Well, time to go brush up and better what little rhythm game skills I have. *i can play Dancing Stage I guess*

Game looks pretty fun and Kairi’s stuff is no doubt going to be interesting.

AegisXIII

June 16, 2020 @ 03:41 pmOffline

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All I saw is Nintendo Switch.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 03:42 pmOffline

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Well there's the Switch KH title. A music rhythm game which is a genre I can't play for shit. Thanks Square, that's entirely what I was asking for. -_-

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:42 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Introducing Melody Sora. A brand new Sora able to go through memories via the right melody of music.

Anyway the trailer certainly has me hyped. Kairi spotlight at last. Quite a change from her 2019 run. And I really love that they brought back apprentice Xehanort and Ansem, Even, and Ienzo are still around. Glad the extended KH universe cast isn't just being dropped.

It's for the PS4 so I can play it. I guess I better learn how to play a rhythm game lol.


Is it a Kairi spotlight though? I'm still just so confuzzled. This trailer is so bipolar, and I'm not sure how to feel yet.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:43 pmOffline

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Katsagu

It's honestly mind boggling that they're putting story important stuff in the rhythm game... And not just some trowaway stuff. It looks like MoM reveal is here and the girl from the secret reports in KH 3 is showed here too.

I don't think is subject X, but little Kairi herself... When she was captured before Radiant Garden fall. Which is DARK as f**k and I love it.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 03:44 pmOffline

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Guys, this is literally the first time KH has confused me and I am S C A R E D.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:45 pmOffline

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Xagzan

Is it a Kairi spotlight though? I'm still just so confuzzled. This trailer is so bipolar, and I'm not sure how to feel yet.

I mean we saw her at the end. Looks like we'll finally see how she got blasted off to the islands and being experimented on. Kairi doesn't remember her time in the past so this is the time to address that.

Also I bet the dark hood isn't MoM but apprentice Xehanort.

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:47 pmOffline

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Henryp

Thanks, that ease a little bit my mind.

I am seeing it coming, no playable Kairi in the entirity of the game... I don't mind a action/rhythm installment in the series, but not at the cost of Kairi's spotlight


I'm trying not to anticipate this, and be optimistic that surely by now Nomura has learned, but it ain't easy.

SweetYetSalty

I mean we saw her at the end. Looks like we'll finally see how she got blasted off to the islands and being experimented on. Kairi doesn't remember her time in the past so this is the time to address that.


For sure, but if she's not playable, then why this game?

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 03:47 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Guys, this is literally the first time KH has confused me and I am S C A R E D.

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 03:48 pmOffline

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I'm honestly not expecting the Kairi stuff to last over 22 minutes. It's to hold people over as well as get the search for Sora out of the way and nothing more.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:49 pmOffline

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KH first trailers normally make no sense. I mean I didn't understand DDD's first stuff.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 03:50 pmOffline

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MATGSY



Yes. LITERALLY MAH FIRST TIME.

AND IT AIN'T EVEN STORY RELATED.

I'M LITERALLY BEING BAMBOOZLED BY A T R A I L E R

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 03:50 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

KH first trailers normally make no sense. I mean I didn't understand DDD's first stuff.


Hell I didn't understand DDD's last stuff.

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 03:50 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

I mean we saw her at the end. Looks like we'll finally see how she got blasted off to the islands and being experimented on. Kairi doesn't remember her time in the past so this is the time to address that.

Also I bet the dark hood isn't MoM but apprentice Xehanort.

Kairi was never experimented on, just kidnapped and ejected into space.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:52 pmOffline

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Sign

Kairi was never experimented on, just kidnapped and ejected into space.

Didn't Xehanort test her light or something and decided to shoot her off into space? Isn't that a experiment?

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 03:52 pmOffline

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Eh, I am in my tenth year here and in my 15th as a KH fan this is nothing out of the ordinary. Still the same effects since 2005 when completely new stuff is revealed.

Now I'm off to dinner. Later...;P

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 03:53 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Didn't Xehanort test her light or something and decided to shoot her off into space? Isn't that a experiment?

No.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 03:56 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812

Eh, I am in my tenth year here and in my 15th as a KH fan this is nothing out of the ordinary. Still the same effects since 2005 when completely new stuff is revealed.

Now I'm off to dinner. Later...;P


I don't know... I remember BbS/DDD/3 reveals with high excitement, even 0.2. This time feels more like a mixture of excitement, fear and confusion.

I'll just pray the Kairi stuff is its own thing or a teaser of what is to come, so I can enjoy the rythym game for what it is.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 03:56 pmOffline

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Sign

No.

The Ansem reports said Xehanort was going to launch her as part of his experiments. The whole meteor shower thing.

Edit: Wait, no it didn't say he experimented on her like the test subjects

Muke

June 16, 2020 @ 04:01 pmOffline

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I noticed something in the gummi ship section. Some of the worlds have a scene/movie icon next to them. Maybe these are the Kairi cutscenes and the main gameplay is literally the rhythm game?

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 04:03 pmOffline

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Henryp

I don't know... I remember BbS/DDD/3 reveals with high excitement, even 0.2. This time feels more like a mixture of excitement, fear and confusion.

I'll just pray the Kairi stuff is its own thing or a teaser of what is to come, so I can enjoy the rythym game for what it is.

It's part of the game, it's on the website with it.

Honestly though I'm wondering if this was gonna just be the opening of the Shibuya/Shinjuku game and they decided it would be too long or wanted to expand on Kairi. Which by proxy led to it being put into a Rhythm game as framing or an unlock.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 04:03 pmOffline

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I still think the Kairi stuff is just a prologue for the next game.

Speaking of which since Kairi and Riku are shown in the Final World maybe they will speak with Not Stella

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 04:04 pmOffline

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Muke

I noticed something in the gummi ship section. Some of the worlds have a scene/movie icon next to them. Maybe these are the Kairi cutscenes and the main gameplay is literally the rhythm game?

Please no..

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 04:05 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

I still think the Kairi stuff is just a prologue for the next game.

Speaking of which since Kairi and Riku are shown in the Final World maybe they will speak with Not Stella

Maybe Xehanort's classmates and teacher are among the stars. Gotta connect them somehow.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 04:09 pmOffline

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EXCUSE ME! I love this already.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 04:09 pmOffline

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GreyouTT

It's part of the game, it's on the website with it.

Honestly though I'm wondering if this was gonna just be the opening of the Shibuya/Shinjuku game and they decided it would be too long or wanted to expand on Kairi. Which by proxy led to it being put into a Rhythm game as framing or an unlock.


I know it is a part of the game, I'm just saying I hope is something playable on its own ala 0.2, or just teaser scenes for a future game involving Kairi. I'll be so dissapointed if this ends up being Kairi journey without Kairi.

Violet Pluto

June 16, 2020 @ 04:10 pmOffline

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One Hope. That they aren't going to go full nostalgia on us, and KH1 characters aren't the only versions of the characters we'll get in this. Also my wish for this game not to be a plot mandatory rhythm game went unanswered. At least it currently looks better than I imagined with the gameplay being still combat focused somewhat.

Story wise, Kairi is getting her backstory expanded, and whether the Black Hood is MoM or Younganort or even Apprentanort I do like that Kairi seems to be fed up with who ever this is. At least that's what my limited Japanese skills tell me. ALSO RICKY IS IN THE FINAL WORLD. Why is no one talking about that?

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 04:11 pmOffline

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All I know is, if none of those next phase slots involve an actual playable Kairi...oooh please don't make me angry again KH, like you did at the end of vanilla KH3.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 04:15 pmOffline

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Now that I'm collecting my thoughts, maybe the rhythm game are alternate worldlines of Sora's adventures?

Katsagu

Does it mean something that pixar appears on the trademark?


Yeah, it does. It means that Pixar properties will be featured in the game.

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 04:19 pmOffline

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So I'm seeing translations of the official website, and it says there will be 4 different "play styles." Now whether that means they're all rhythm based, or the rhythm aspect is just 1 of 4, I don't know.

NoWay

June 16, 2020 @ 04:19 pmOffline

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I haven’t understood anything. What is this rhythm game in last gen graphics and the last minute with Kairi in current gen graphics? Are these two different games or is it the same game? But why would they use the old assets I don’t understand it

Luminary

June 16, 2020 @ 04:19 pmOffline

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Tbh, I won’t mind if this game is just the rhythm stuff with Kairi scenes mixed in IF the game that follows gives her a full scenario. It would give them a chance to develop Kairi’s personality and her personal stakes in the plot before giving her a full playable scenario. But if this is a one and done deal for her, I’ll be annoyed. I am excited for the Kairi/Riku scenes though!

okhi12

June 16, 2020 @ 04:22 pmOffline

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I see Apprentice Xehanort in Unreal Engine 4 and immediately I like this game, whatever it is.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 04:23 pmOffline

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Zip

Tbh, I won’t mind if this game is just the rhythm stuff with Kairi scenes mixed in IF the game that follows gives her a full scenario. It would give them a chance to develop Kairi’s personality and her personal stakes in the plot before giving her a full playable scenario. But if this is a one and done deal for her, I’ll be annoyed. I am excited for the Kairi/Riku scenes though!


Pretty much this. Exploring Kairi's trauma got me excited enough for what this game have tell about her. If it is just cutscenes because a longer Kairi centered game is coming, then I'm all for it. Sadly, seeing Kairi treatment over the years, I wouldn't rule out this being "her game", even if she is not a playable character in it, sorta like Mickey was in coded.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 04:24 pmOffline

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Huh. That voice sounds like Ansem. Oh, hey, it's Apprentice Xehanort! So I guess he threw Kairi into one of those pods before throwing her into space.

I wonder if the leak forced them to upload the big trailer today.

Anyway, yup, it's a Theatrhythm, Nomura style~ But are the Kairi scenes really part of it, or is it teasing another game? It feels weird having that with this happy happy Sora fun time music game. Oh, boy, the Master of Masters... Are they really gonna show what he looks like in this game? Having it happen here with Kairi tells me he will look like Sora. lol

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 04:27 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Huh. That voice sounds like Ansem. Oh, hey, it's Apprentice Xehanort! So I guess he threw Kairi into one of those pods before throwing her into space.

I wonder if the leak forced them to upload the big trailer today.

Anyway, yup, it's a Theatrhythm, Nomura style~ But are the Kairi scenes really part of it, or is it teasing another game? It feels weird having that with this happy happy Sora fun time music game. Oh, boy, the Master of Masters... Are they really gonna show what he looks like in this game? Having it happen here with Kairi tells me he will look like Sora. lol

Instead of MoM I figured the man in the cloak could be Darkness from Union. Or Demyx, lol

nocturne

June 16, 2020 @ 04:27 pmOffline

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I see the community is divided again. I've never played a rhythm game, never found the appeal for them.

I love KH. It's my favorite. I'm excited for phase 2 and the future of the series, but I'm not excited they are (seemingly?) putting important lore and story, especially for Kairi--who is in dire need of more development--into a rhythm game.

Kairi was fun to play as in KH3RM, even thought it was brief. She deserves her own action RPG-style game where she is the main protagonist and we play as her.

Despite my feelings, I'm still looking forward to the story. Phase 2 is going to be really amazing saga and I can't wait.

Sakuraba Neku

June 16, 2020 @ 04:29 pmOffline

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I don't get if the last cutscenes and the rhythm game are all one game or two games bundled together...

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 04:29 pmOffline

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Sakuraba Neku

I don't get if the last cutscenes and the rhythm game are all one game or two games bundles together...


Nobody does lol

Violet Pluto

June 16, 2020 @ 04:29 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Having it happen here with Kairi tells me he will look like Sora. lol

Could it be? Could MoM be Sora's dad?... Nah, I mean come on. If that did happen it would be hilarious but I think Nomura's a better writer that that. Disastrous and Dangerous will be Sora's DaD, and MoM's his uncle.

Cumguardian69

June 16, 2020 @ 04:34 pmOffline

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So they cut 3/ReMIND's actual story and so far have put the introduction into a $30 DLC, an unknown cost mobile-tier rhythm game...what next?

I'm dead serious. This series needs to get some competent writers and proper planning. I can't enjoy KH story with how ridiculously fragmented it is.

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DizneyXBirds95

June 16, 2020 @ 04:35 pmOffline

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This trailer raised so many questions than answers. On one hand, Melody of Memory is the Theatrhythm style KH game for PS4, XBOX One and Nintendo Switch coming 2020, but on the other, the last scene(s) with Kairi, Apprentice Xehanort, the Fall of Radiant Garden and the Master of Masters makes me wonder if they are part Melody of Memory or just a teaser/Secret Ending for the new Kingdom Hearts game coming very soon, similar to how the Secret Ending to Re: Coded (the one with Mickey and Yen Sid) served as the prologue to Dream Drop Distance.


Zettaflare

Instead of MoM I figured the man in the cloak could be Darkness from Union. Or Demyx, lol

[USER=106750]@Zettaflare[/USER] or DIO.

"You thought it was Sora or Demyx as the Master of Masters, but it was I DIO." ROFLMAO Sorry had to put a JoJo meme somewhere

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 04:38 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Instead of MoM I figured the man in the cloak could be Darkness from Union. Or Demyx, lol
Not Demyx since the coat is different. Could be Darkness. If it turns out Darkness really is Vanitas, then Kairi would still freak out at first thinking he's Sora. lol

AegisXIII

June 16, 2020 @ 04:39 pmOffline

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What if it is a compilation like 2.8 where the Kairi part is a 0.2 DLC type game?

Cumguardian69

June 16, 2020 @ 04:41 pmOffline

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Blenderudit

What if it is a compilation like 2.8 where the Kairi part is a 0.2 DLC type game?

Nah, not possible.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 04:43 pmOffline

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Blenderudit

What if it is a compilation like 2.8 where the Kairi part is a 0.2 DLC type game?

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 04:44 pmOffline

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Are Rhythm games fun? That's the only thing keeping me from being super excited. KH's gameplay experiments are hit or miss. I couldn't tolerate their COM card system and had to watch it all rather then play. I hope that isn't the case here.

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 04:48 pmOffline

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Finally I can watch Xehanort doing this to Kairi in Unreal engine.

2 quid is good

June 16, 2020 @ 04:49 pmOffline

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I'm so torn between wanting to gush over how the trailer literally shows things that I've been wanting for ages (and have been duly and thoroughly told that such things are useless and unnecessary) and being mad at how Kairi seems to be having the limelight in a...... Rhythm game. That uses PS2 assets. And is probably gonna be £50. And is seemingly unrelated to her scenes.

Fucking dammit. You had a chance to build up this series again from scratch, and instead of investing in a new look, and a concise way to tell your story, you go for this horrible frankenstein approach.

I'm being taken fi eediat and I'll still get it because I'm being teased with one of the few things about this series I'll still care about. Definitely not buying this first hand though that's for sure.

Sigh.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 04:51 pmOffline

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GreyouTT

Finally I can watch Xehanort doing this to Kairi in Unreal engine.


The moment we've been waiting 18 years for!

Luminary

June 16, 2020 @ 04:55 pmOffline

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Henryp

Pretty much this. Exploring Kairi's trauma got me excited enough for what this game have tell about her. If it is just cutscenes because a longer Kairi centered game is coming, then I'm all for it. Sadly, seeing Kairi treatment over the years, I wouldn't rule out this being "her game", even if she is not a playable character in it, sorta like Mickey was in coded.


Agreed. Since this is definitely the game Nomura was referring to when he mentioned the Re:Mind title screen was hinting toward the next project, we don’t have anything to go on that Kairi will get any much more focus beyond this game. I guess all we can do is wait for now.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 04:57 pmOffline

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Looking at the trailer I'm disappointed Dilan and Aeleus didn't appear. Radiant Garden won't be the same without those two silently emoting their deep feelings after all they did.

Think we'll get a novel of Melody of Memories at some point?

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 04:57 pmOffline

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This is a weird scene in particular. Is it depicting BBS? KH3?

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 04:59 pmOffline

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Zip

Agreed. Since this is definitely the game Nomura was referring to when he mentioned the Re:Mind title screen was hinting toward the next project, we don’t have anything to go on that Kairi will get any much more focus beyond this game. I guess all we can do is wait for now.


The trailer literally ends with Kairi raising her keyblade to attack... if our worst fears come true that would be a sick joke.

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 05:02 pmOffline

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Xagzan

So I'm seeing translations of the official website, and it says there will be 4 different "play styles." Now whether that means they're all rhythm based, or the rhythm aspect is just 1 of 4, I don't know.


It might be more accurate to think of them as "modes" rather than "play styles."

MATGSY



This is a weird scene in particular. Is it depicting BBS? KH3?

Rage Awakened -The Origin- is the BBS arrangement so I'm guessing that.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 05:02 pmOffline

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Since this is coming out this year, maybe this is the game that was coming out "surprisingly soon"...

No duh it's coming out surprisingly soon. Most of it's literally using old assets.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:04 pmOffline

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Henryp

The trailer literally ends with Kairi raising her keyblade to attack... if our worst fears come true that would be a sick joke.

It might be she becomes unlocked as a playable character late in the music gameplay. Maybe the final song is a duel between her & new coated bloke.

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 05:05 pmOffline

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Sign

It might be more accurate to think of them as "modes" rather than "play styles."


And all the modes will presumably be rhythm based?

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 05:07 pmOffline

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Not that we didn't know already, but man is Xehanort one messed up guy. I guess we're about to find out how he abducted Kairi while he was an apprentice.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:08 pmOffline

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Xagzan

And all the modes will presumably be rhythm based?

1 of them is apparently online vs.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:08 pmOffline

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Xagzan

And all the modes will presumably be rhythm based?


Most probably. We already see in the trailer a single player mode, a vs. mode and a co-op mode.

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disney233

June 16, 2020 @ 05:08 pmOffline

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The rhythm sections seem like extra content to me. At the same time, this is Nomura we're talking about. He would find a way to integrate a cereal box ad into the Kingdom Hearts story. Gonna be a short game. Can't see it any other way. Kinda shameful for a Kairi game.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:13 pmOffline

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disney233

The rhythm sections seem like extra content to me. At the same time, this is Nomura we're talking about. He would find a way to integrate a cereal box ad into the Kingdom Hearts story. Gonna be a short game. Can't see it any other way. Kinda shameful for a Kairi game.


I wouldn't mind if it is a short game. It may be as long as one scenario would have been in a shared game, and can come with its own share of side quests, bosses... the thing is, if it ends up having a scenario after all.

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 05:14 pmOffline

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Makes a lot of sense too. They were going through Kairi's memories, so it seems they finally unlocked her memories.

Ryuman

June 16, 2020 @ 05:15 pmOffline

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It's a rhythm game with cutscenes, not really a tough concept. The game is the game they showed. There isn't some secret other game hidden in a full rhythm game with 140 tracks and 4 modes.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:17 pmOffline

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How will they tie unlocking Kairi's memories to finding Sora though? That seems like a separate case all together. Unless Sora is magically tied to Kairi's lost memories how is this going to help her search for him?

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:20 pmOffline

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I don't get why anyone is surprised that they're pairing the Kairi game with a spinoff. Like, this is the same man that turned relevant a PC browser game, turned its mobile port into something a bit different a repurposed its plot as another season.

And like Sign said, Kairi as we know her cannot carry a standalone KH game. Not as you think you know her, but as the writers know her.

This is honestly no surprise. And if you're being a Betty Downer, good, that's okay. But I'm here excited to finally get some more of the most abandoned iteration of Xehanort: Apprentice 'not

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SweetYetSalty

How will they tie unlocking Kairi's memories to finding Sora though? That seems like a separate case all together. Unless Sora is magically tied to Kairi's lost memories how is this going to help her search for him?

Like Spock said in another thread: Melody = hearts in tune

Oracle Spockanort

June 16, 2020 @ 05:20 pmOffline

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Ryuman

It's a rhythm game with cutscenes, not really a tough concept. The game is the game they showed. There isn't some secret other game hidden in a full rhythm game with 140 tracks and 4 modes.


Idk Nomura is a wild man. I can easily imagine an short action combat game ala 0.2’s length within a rhythm game.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:20 pmOffline

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Ryuman

It's a rhythm game with cutscenes, not really a tough concept. The game is the game they showed. There isn't some secret other game hidden in a full rhythm game with 140 tracks and 4 modes.


I agree with you, mostly. The thing that makes everything more complicated is the Kairi scenes in UE4. It can be a scenario, it can be just the ending, it can be just cutscenes trough the game...

MrFranklin95

June 16, 2020 @ 05:20 pmOffline

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*sigh*

I'm very annoyed with Kingdom Hearts right now.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:22 pmOffline

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Oracle Spockanort

Idk Nomura is a wild man. I can easily imagine an short action combat game ala 0.2’s length within a rhythm game.

These are my thoughts. Complete X portion of MoM to unlock the one to three hour scenario with Kairi

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 05:23 pmOffline

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It's a bit depressing how KH's 2nd phase is basically dominated by two mobile games and a rhythm game.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:23 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

I don't get why anyone is surprised that they're pairing the Kairi game with a spinoff. Like, this is the same man that turned relevant a PC browser game, turned its mobile port into something a bit different a repurposed its plot as another season.

And like Sign said, Kairi as we know her cannot carry a standalone KH game. Not as you think you know her, but as the writers know her.

This is honestly no surprise. And if you're being a Betty Downer, good, that's okay. But I'm here excited to finally get some more of the most abandoned iteration of Xehanort: Apprentice 'not



For me, it is not a surprised and Im all for the spin-off. It is just I hope the Kairi part gets to shine on its own part, even if briefly, and not be like "Kairi gets a cutscene, and then we jump into Sora having fun with Ariel under the rhythm of Under the Sea"

Cumguardian69

June 16, 2020 @ 05:23 pmOffline

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MrFranklin95

*sigh*

I'm very annoyed with Kingdom Hearts right now.

Don't bother being annoyed. KH has done this since CoM where it introduced the Not!Anime crew in a card game. This is par for the course.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:24 pmOffline

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It's a bit depressing how KH's 2nd phase is basically dominated by two mobile games and a rhythm game.

Better than being dominated buy 3+ games with each having two to four years of differences in release.

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Henryp

For me, it is not a surprised and Im all for the spin-off. It is just I hope the Kairi part gets to shine on its own part, even if briefly, and not be like "Kairi gets a cutscene, and then we jump into Sora having fun with Ariel under the rhythm of Under the Sea"

Don't think so

Cumguardian69

June 16, 2020 @ 05:26 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

It's a bit depressing how KH's 2nd phase is basically dominated by two mobile games and a rhythm game.

KH 2nd phase literally just started, coming off the heels of the series most ambitious project yet (KH3). It isn't depressing, as the 2nd phase has yet to TAKE OFF. Wait for such extreme emotions when 2024 hits and we see what direction KH is really taking. Believe me there will be many more surprises with this series

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 05:28 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

I don't get why anyone is surprised that they're pairing the Kairi game with a spinoff. Like, this is the same man that turned relevant a PC browser game, turned its mobile port into something a bit different a repurposed its plot as another season.

And like Sign said, Kairi as we know her cannot carry a standalone KH game. Not as you think you know her, but as the writers know her.

This is honestly no surprise. And if you're being a Betty Downer, good, that's okay. But I'm here excited to finally get some more of the most abandoned iteration of Xehanort: Apprentice 'not


I am too, but after being burned by vanilla KH3, well I'd prefer that not keep happening. I don't think anyone's particularly surprised, but it would be very disappointing.

I wonder how exactly do the writers know her? Doesn't seem like they've ever much cared to. It would be nice if they'd use some imagination to take advantage of the groundwork that's already been laid for her. If they did that, then she could absolutely carry her own game.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:28 pmOffline

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Personally I consider Days-KH3 to be Phase 2 & we're actually in Phase 3 now but whatever.

What's the guesstimate on a Nomura interview explaining this game? About a week?

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:28 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius


Don't think so


If the game is 80% side game, 20% Kairi i'll be satisfied. They can shove in an hour long movie with the events of UX and that would be perfect.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:28 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

I don't get why anyone is surprised that they're pairing the Kairi game with a spinoff. Like, this is the same man that turned relevant a PC browser game, turned its mobile port into something a bit different a repurposed its plot as another season.

And like Sign said, Kairi as we know her cannot carry a standalone KH game. Not as you think you know her, but as the writers know her.

This is honestly no surprise. And if you're being a Betty Downer, good, that's okay. But I'm here excited to finally get some more of the most abandoned iteration of Xehanort: Apprentice 'not

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Like Spock said in another thread: Melody = hearts in tune

I'm not a Betty Downer...I want to love this game, I just don't know how to play a rhythm game lol. If I did I'd be all over this thing. I will never frown at more Kingdom Hearts content. I'm always hungry for more.

But back to the the Melody/Memory thing, I'm still curious how they'll tie this back to finding Sora. Could this Melody be a new power even more OP then the Power of Waking?

Happyfunshineman

June 16, 2020 @ 05:28 pmOffline

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What songs are we hoping make the cut?

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:30 pmOffline

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Xagzan

Doesn't seem like they've ever much cared to.

Precisely the point. they aren't suddenly gonna start caring miles for her and give her a standalone game.

SweetYetSalty

Could this Melody be a new power even more OP then the Power of Waking?

Naminé

Happyfunshineman

What songs are we hoping make the cut?

lol in before they release Melody of Memory as Final Cut or Final ReMix

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:31 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Personally I consider Days-KH3 to be Phase 2 & we're actually in Phase 3 now but whatever.

What's the guesstimate on a Nomura interview explaining this game? About a week?


I would consider CoM/KH2 phase 2, as the original KH could have been its own thing. Then the rest up to KH3 phase 3, 3-4.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:34 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

lol in before they release Melody of Memory as Final Cut or Final ReMix

Square:

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:34 pmOffline

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You guys are doing it wrong:
KINGDOM HEARTS Phase 1:
* KH1
* CoM

KH Phase 1.5:
* KH2
* coded

KH Phase 0.5:
* BBS
* Days

KH Phase 1.7:
* DDD
* A Fragmentary Passage

KH Phase 1.9:
* KH3

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:36 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Precisely the point. they aren't suddenly gonna start caring miles for her and give her a standalone game.


Naminé


lol in before they release Melody of Memory as Final Cut or Final ReMix

Namine's not more OP the PoW, she can't reverse time. She's second only to it though
Ballad of Caius

You guys are doing it wrong:
KINGDOM HEARTS Phase 1:
* KH1
* CoM

KH Phase 1.5:
* KH2
* coded

KH Phase 0.5:
* BBS
* Days

KH Phase 1.7:
* DDD
* A Fragmentary Passage

KH Phase 1.9:
* KH3

Where does the mobile stuff fit in?

Ryuman

June 16, 2020 @ 05:37 pmOffline

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Oracle Spockanort

Idk Nomura is a wild man. I can easily imagine an short action combat game ala 0.2’s length within a rhythm game.

If they have managed to get KH3 working on Switch that's great, but I'm expecting pre-rendered scenes here.

What I see here is essentially another build-up. Give Kairi some motivation of her own beyond Sora through her past. Get her personally involved with ties to other characters and work from there. Build some character.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:38 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Namine's not more OP the PoW, she can't reverse time.

Never mentioned anything about time, but rather use her memory manipulating powers to reach Sora. And the last person that spoke directly to Sora was her AND in the Final World. Use her power over Sora's memories to reach him because, y'know, the game's called Melody of Memory.

Ryuman

If they have managed to get KH3 working on Switch that's great,

I feel like people need to keep their expectations in check. Just because they make A Fragmentary Passage a thing on the Switch and a hypothetical Kairi game that could be as long as AFP doesn't mean directly mean that KH3 can be ported to the Switch.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 05:40 pmOffline

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Eh, what the heck. Let's throw Ansem, Seeker of Darkness into the list of possibilities for black coat here.

MrFranklin95

*sigh*

I'm very annoyed with Kingdom Hearts right now.



Happyfunshineman

What songs are we hoping make the cut?
All of them minus the Castle of Dreams theme.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:41 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Never mentioned anything about time, but rather use her memory manipulating powers to reach Sora. And the last person that spoke directly to Sora was her AND in the Final World. Use her power over Sora's memories to reach him because, y'know, the game's called Melody of Memory.

I see, that makes sense. But wasn't Chrithy the last person Sora spoke with in Final World though? Or does that not count since he went with Sora and Kairi?

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Foxycian

June 16, 2020 @ 05:43 pmOffline

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So is the game dedicated to kairi or is both Sora and Riku involved? Either way I’m confused I don’t know how to play these kind of games also are they on the phone?

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:43 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

Eh, what the heck. Let's throw Ansem, Seeker of Darkness into the list of possibilities for black coat here.




All of them minus the Castle of Dreams theme.

I feel like Black Coat is the MoM. The fact that they focus the camera on Coaty removing his coat and then cutting off means that it should be him, seeing as how it's the other Black Coat we haven't seen revealed. Or it could be Darkness, but I'm on the boat that thinks that Darkness doesn't have a form.

SweetYetSalty

But wasn't Chrithy the last person Sora spoke with in Final World though? Or does that not count since he went with Sora and Kairi?

Forgot about that detail and he's now with Ven

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Foxycian

So is the game dedicated to kairi or is both Sora and Riku involved?

No one knows. My impression is that this is gonna be another coded. Ienzo and the gang are tinkering with Kairi's memories as she sleeps. The rhythm game is gonna be her memories of Sora and perhaps we get to see Sora's memories because of her connection with him

Foxycian

Either way I’m confused I don’t know how to play these kind of games also are they on the phone?

Memory of Melody is on the Switch, PS4 and Bone.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:45 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 05:46 pmOffline

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The black coat is Kairi's grandfather, that's right her grandfather. All the limelight has been on her grandmother nobody ever asked for her grandfather. Kairi's angry because he owes her some overdue birthday presents. And he better deliver.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 05:48 pmOffline

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The black coat is Vergil.

His motivation has grown so strong he's gained the ability to enter completely different franchises.

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kristi-swat

June 16, 2020 @ 05:49 pmOffline

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Anyone noticed this? KH 3, Dark Road and Melody of Memory next to 2 blank spots.

What about the 5 blank spots in the 2nd row? XD

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 05:49 pmOffline

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Inside the black coat is another black coat. & then another black coat.....

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:50 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

His motivation has grown so strong he's gained the ability to enter completely different franchises.

So he hopped a Worldline :p

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kristi-swat

What about the 5 blank spots in the 2nd row? XD

In before the Black Box is just the KH franchise inside of it

MrFranklin95

June 16, 2020 @ 05:51 pmOffline

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Cumguardian69

Don't bother being annoyed. KH has done this since CoM where it introduced the Not!Anime crew in a card game. This is par for the course.


Well, I like Chain of Memories and for all its faults, it at least had fun (enough) combat and an interesting story. I just don't know about this...

I'm not a rhythm game guy. I only played a section on FF7R and it was fun for what it was but a whole game of that? I don't know man. Chain of Memories and Dark Road at least have something combat oriented that doesn't strain itself too much from the core gameplay. A rhythm game seems kind of a slap to the face to that and I can see its trying to add combat elements but like... come on ?

To each there own, man. It's not my thing but it others fans are happy and excited, why not? Besides, if it's only prologue story stuff withh some hidden backsorey lead up here and there, I guess I learn to live with that aspect of it.

But...

My only hope is that this is a lead into a Kairi centric game. I seriously hope this isn't all she gets. Like, I seriously dont get making her the best playable character in Re: Mind, hint at her a big part of the next phase but then scrape all that combat ganeplay and potential. It just doesnt make sense if this is all she gets, which I honestly don't think is the case. I think its definately leading into two more future actual RPGs and then Kingdom Hearts but yeah, that could all change.

Also also, just to rant for a bit, but yeah, I think Kairi getting her own game, even at this stage, is fine. I dont really understand why fans think she has to be at a certain point in order to justify it. It's a little strange because she is pretty much at the perfect spot, the same way Riku and Sora were at the start. Hell, she actually a little more train KH1 Riku and Kairi and they managed to do enough and have enough personality with the actual spotlight on them and that was just two games with them. You can pretty much do anything you want with her and make her that character we all want (because I honestly don't think it's that hard).

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 05:52 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

So he hopped a Worldline :p

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In before the Black Box is just the KH franchise inside of it

Yamato can slice through dimensions...

Man, I want Vergil as a secret boss.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:52 pmOffline

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MrFranklin95

My only hope is that this is a lead into a Kairi centric game.

The best we can expect is that the Kairi scenario in Melody of Memory is gonna be like A Fragmentary Passage and its a demo for the full DDD Vol.2 with her and Riku

Ryuman

June 16, 2020 @ 05:53 pmOffline

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kristi-swat

What about the 5 blank spots in the 2nd row? XD

I think they may be more miscellaneous things, perhaps even the Disney+ series could go in there. Considering we've already moved past one of the larger boxes I can't imagine them being games.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 05:55 pmOffline

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Ryuman

I think they may be more miscellaneous things, perhaps even the Disney+ series could go in there. Considering we've already moved past one of the larger boxes I can't imagine them being games.

I mean, if Dark Roads and Melody of Memory get boxes, an animated series can get one as well. Especially if the series is centered on MDG going through the worlds Sora was

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 05:56 pmOffline

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MrFranklin95

Also also, just to rant for a bit, but yeah, I think Kairi getting her own game, even at this stage, is fine. I dont really understand why fans think she has to be at a certain point in order to justify it. It's a little strange because she is pretty much at the perfect spot, the same way Riku and Sora were at the start. Hell, she actually a little more train KH1 Riku and Kairi and they managed to do enough and have enough personality with the actual spotlight on them and that was just two games with them. You can pretty much do anything you want with her and make her that character we all want (because I honestly don't think it's that hard).


I think the problem is how Kairi has been presented for the past decade. With other playable characters, they were either entirely new or interesting enough when they got their own games. I liked Kairi in KH3, but she has been either Sora-centered or absent since KH1. That means, if you target a full 30+ hours game around her, people might not be that interested in her. Specially KH fans. I do think that a slow introduction of her into the front or a shared scenario game would be perfect to say "hey we now care about Kaire, and you should too".

There is also the reason that they have been neglecting so much, that it is really difficult to picture them having a change of heart and focusing only in her.

Sephiroth0812

June 16, 2020 @ 05:58 pmOffline

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Henryp

I don't know... I remember BbS/DDD/3 reveals with high excitement, even 0.2. This time feels more like a mixture of excitement, fear and confusion.

I'll just pray the Kairi stuff is its own thing or a teaser of what is to come, so I can enjoy the rythym game for what it is.


After the mess that KH 3 turned out to be in terms of coherence and actual care for the characters themselves and much of my time being occupied with different stuff I am way beyond caring that much anymore.
It's nice to see something new and now I'm gonna sit back, watch and wait what comes of it but won't be too deeply invested anymore.

snow_flake40

June 16, 2020 @ 05:59 pmOffline

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nomura really is tossing out crumbs of kairi content like go fetch and i said Yes sir Thank you sir Right away sir

I think this is the Kairi's Dream Land game I was hoping for, which will be such a bummer if she's not even playable in her own game :(! I think they're reusing the KH1/2 assets so that it'll run on the Switch and that the new cutscenes with the Unity engine won't actually be playable.

I think they'll frame it like Re:coded or something, like when Kairi goes to sleep looking for Sora, she's untangling his memories/tracing of his heart across the universe/whatever and that takes the form of a rhythm game throughout the KH1 worlds apparently. And with every few worlds you complete, Kairi unlocks a memory from her own past.

LOVING the implication that they're gonna explore Kairi's past in Radiant Garden and her connection to Ansem TW and the apprentices. That's always been such a rich vein to tap that they never took advantage of and I'm delighted they're finally going for it. I've never seen a JRPG featuring plot-based amnesia that just refuses to unlock that character's past like with Kairi in KH LMAO.

Life changing field trip with Riku <3!!!!!! I'll be so so delighted if they make amends for KH3 pretending like Kairi and Riku aren't also lifelong friends.

also that level with SDG zipping around roxas' most traumatic memories collecting points to the beat had me like screaming laughing

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kristi-swat

June 16, 2020 @ 06:00 pmOffline

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how I think MoM game will work is that when you complete stages that have "play video" button we will get some cutscene and that's it.

MrFranklin95

June 16, 2020 @ 06:01 pmOffline

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Henryp

I think the problem is how Kairi has been presented for the past decade. With other playable characters, they were either entirely new or interesting enough when they got their own games. I liked Kairi in KH3, but she has been either Sora-centered or absent since KH1. That means, if you target a full 30+ hours game around her, people might not be that interested in her. Specially KH fans. I do think that a slow introduction of her into the front or a shared scenario game would be perfect to say "hey we now care about Kaire, and you should too".

There is also the reason that they have been neglecting so much, that it is really difficult to picture them having a change of heart and focusing only in her.


Yeah, I honestly don't blame them. Kairi been....very neglected for reasons that escape a lot of us. I just don't think fans should lose hope. And if Melody of Memory works as a jumping off point for her own game downline, fine.

Then again, after KH3 and Re: Mind, I had a lot hope but all I got was a mobile game no one asked for and a rhythm game I have no interest in but with backstory so now I'm forced to buy it. Its basically 2 for 3 at this point. I can only hope the next two announcements are actual RPGs.

Ballad of Caius

June 16, 2020 @ 06:02 pmOffline

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kristi-swat

how I think MoM game will work is that when you complete stages that have "play video" button we will get some cutscene and that's it.

Yes, like coded when you finished each world. Tho I still think we'll get to play as Kairi after she wakes up and Ienzo tells her of a way to access the Final World to try and find Sora there.

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Xagzan

June 16, 2020 @ 06:05 pmOffline

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I would be a lot more content if I didn't have to assume 1 Kairi-centric game was all we're ever gonna get. But I can't not assume this.

And I can't respect writers who don't respect the characters they're writing, especially the main ones. So I will continue to kvetch about perceived wrongs with what limited voice I have, and hopeful that others do the same.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 06:07 pmOffline

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Counting ReMind, there would be at least 3 new releases this year of playable KH content. Has it ever happened before?

Edit: If MoM is not delayed, which I wouldn't be surprised

Perkilator

June 16, 2020 @ 06:08 pmOffline

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With this game appearing on Switch (which I hope is testing the waters for 1.5+2.5 by squeezing out those PS2 textures one last time), Sora's potential for Smash is stronger than ever (even if this game doesn't necessarily correlate with Smash).

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The Dead Skin

June 16, 2020 @ 06:13 pmOffline

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theatrhythm kingdom hearts lets gooooo

Hirokey123

June 16, 2020 @ 06:17 pmOffline

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Throwing it out there but earlier it was said Kairi wasn't experimented on, but that's not necessarily true. Read Xehanort's experiment lists he was planning. One of them is him going to test and see if you can create darkness in a pure heart of light. Unless Xehanort had some OTHER pure heart of light at his disposal I think it's pretty safe to say he probably used Kairi in that experiment.

Anyway what a confusing mish mash...why would Kairi even have those Sora memories inside her? Like you want to stretch KH1, CoM, and Days I can see it...but KH2 and BBS really?

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 06:19 pmOffline

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"Testing the waters" for ports of old ass games sounds so ridiculous. The FF ports from over a year ago should be all the testing Square needs. Or the KH games of past Nintendo handhelds. The sad part is this has been standard 3rd party on Nintendo operating procedure for a very long time.

Right now my expectations is the Kairi story & music gameplay will eventually intersect. At minimum, it'll just be for the final boss of the game. We see with the Xemnas clip how boss fights work in MoM & it's a safe guess that there must be some sort of big finale to close out the game. This could very be in the form of Kairi fighting Black Coat in the music-boss style.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 06:22 pmOffline

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MrFranklin95

Then again, after KH3 and Re: Mind, I had a lot hope but all I got was a mobile game no one asked for and a rhythm game I have no interest in but with backstory so now I'm forced to buy it. Its basically 2 for 3 at this point. I can only hope the next two announcements are actual RPGs.


But it has been only a few month since the last release of KH3! I wasn't expecting so many things in such a short time. We will probably see more rpg style KHs in a couple of years, which probabli take way longer to produce.

FudgemintGuardian

June 16, 2020 @ 06:23 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

I feel like Black Coat is the MoM. The fact that they focus the camera on Coaty removing his coat and then cutting off means that it should be him, seeing as how it's the other Black Coat we haven't seen revealed. Or it could be Darkness, but I'm on the boat that thinks that Darkness doesn't have a form.
Just covering all bases. Might as well throw Bragi and Hermod into the mix too because sure whatever. lol

I'm 95% convinced it's MoM, but I can't help but have that small feeling this is a red herring.

MATGSY


It's scary how well it fits. XD

SweetYetSalty

The black coat is Kairi's grandfather, that's right her grandfather. All the limelight has been on her grandmother nobody ever asked for her grandfather. Kairi's angry because he owes her some overdue birthday presents. And he better deliver.
KeybladeLordSora

The black coat is Vergil.

His motivation has grown so strong he's gained the ability to enter completely different franchises.
MATGSY

Inside the black coat is another black coat. & then another black coat.....

I like where your heads are at. :LOL:

Reagan Rayden

June 16, 2020 @ 06:23 pmOffline

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*trailer starts*

Ok this looks like some wierd side game that I maybe don't need to get into.

*actual new plot reveals happen and are implied to be apart of the game*

sigh, ok Nomura you got 60 of my dollars once again.

Oracle Spockanort

June 16, 2020 @ 06:27 pmOffline

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kristi-swat

What about the 5 blank spots in the 2nd row? XD


We are all electing to ignore those boxes in case of it being nothing haha

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 06:28 pmOffline

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Well I guess we are officially in the next saga. Didnt think it would start just a few months after Re:MIND but whatever.

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disney233

June 16, 2020 @ 06:29 pmOffline

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snow_flake40

LOVING the implication that they're gonna explore Kairi's past in Radiant Garden and her connection to Ansem TW and the apprentices. That's always been such a rich vein to tap that they never took advantage of and I'm delighted they're finally going for it. I've never seen a JRPG featuring plot-based amnesia that just refuses to unlock that character's past like with Kairi in KH LMAO.

This is what pisses me off the most about this game. ALMOST 20 YEARS. It took this series Almost 20 years to explore Kairi's backstory, and it's in the form of some go-go Rhythm game? THAT'S what sets me off the most.

Oracle Spockanort

June 16, 2020 @ 06:29 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Well I guess we are officially in the next saga. Didnt think it would start just a few months after Re:MIND but whatever.


Technically it started WITH ReMind, we just didn’t know it.

Rydgea

June 16, 2020 @ 06:30 pmOffline

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I never like KH2!Atlantica more than KH1's, but it was fun and always made sense to me given Disney's Broadway-style background. And then we got more of it in BBS with Disney Town, hints of it in the summons / D-links / Dreameaters.

Of course, it made sense to utilize a series of gorgeous soundtracks like Final Fantasy did with Theatrhythm (which I still occasionally play on my 3DS). And I appreciate the nod to it with those sprites in the opening of the trailer.

As far as fluff goes, I'm fully behind something like this coming to console. It's pressing all the right nostalgia buttons with the graphics too. Ugh, looks precious.

Happyfunshineman

June 16, 2020 @ 06:39 pmOffline

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I think those boxes in the second row of the phase 2 lineup are all Black Boxes.

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Loveless86

June 16, 2020 @ 06:45 pmOffline

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It wouldn't surprise me if the hooded black coat character at the end of trailer turned out to be ansem, seeker of darkness or terra-xehanort and if the game probably be same as kh ddd. But its just a guess at the moment.

2 quid is good

June 16, 2020 @ 06:52 pmOffline

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I'm very excited to pay 60 for a 2020 game that uses PS2 models.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 06:58 pmOffline

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I theorise that Kairi is accessing data/memories/dreams of Sora's adventures and uses that information to track Sora.

*TwilightNight*

June 16, 2020 @ 06:59 pmOffline

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It's really a relief not investing in KH any longer and just overseeing how things go within distance. In this case, I don't know whether to chuckle or not.

I think this is it - the "Kairi" game. I doubt there's going to be much more than that, especially if there are two other slots waiting. It looks like we might get mini-side games like this exploring each group that was mentioned in the Limit Cut. That, or maybe it's not just a Kairi centric game, and those groups are going to be covered here. Didn't the description say it'll have "3 new stories"?

It's just pretty "eh". It looks like the game will have three episodes. That's speculation on my end though. Good to see that big hole of Kairi's past being put to rest however, that was such a weird thing to implant in KHI and not do anything with for years. It makes it feel like they're cleaning up the Xehanort saga.

Also. RIKAI.

Nomura remembered these guys were supposed to know each other, funny that.

Have fun with this one guys, lol.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 07:01 pmOffline

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*TwilightNight*

It's really a relief not investing in KH any longer and just overseeing how things go within distance. In this case, I don't know whether to chuckle or not.

I think this is it - the "Kairi" game. I doubt there's going to be much more than that, especially if there are two other slots waiting. It looks like we might get mini-side games like this exploring each group that was mentioned in the Limit Cut. That, or maybe it's not just a Kairi centric game, and those groups are going to be covered here. Didn't the description say it'll have "3 new stories"?

It's just pretty "eh". It looks like the game will have three episodes. That's speculation on my end though. Good to see that big hole of Kairi's past being put to rest however, that was such a weird thing to implant in KHI and not do anything with for years. It makes it feel like they're cleaning up the Xehanort saga.

Also. RIKAI.

Nomura remembered these guys were supposed to know each other, funny that.

Have fun with this one guys, lol.

Oh yeah that's right. Riku and Kairi are finally interacting with each other. That's already one point in this game's favor

Reagan Rayden

June 16, 2020 @ 07:01 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax

I theorise that Kairi is accessing data/memories/dreams of Sora's adventures and uses that information to track Sora.

Oh, for sure that is 100% the implication. This much Kairi focus must be her inside her heart trying to find clues. Which coincidentally is also partially Sora's heart which explains the KH1 stuff, but doesn't necessarily explain the KH2+ stuff unless their specific connection didn't end when Sora freed Kairi from his heart.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 07:07 pmOffline

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Reagan Rayden

Oh, for sure that is 100% the implication. This much Kairi focus must be her inside her heart trying to find clues. Which coincidentally is also partially Sora's heart which explains the KH1 stuff, but doesn't necessarily explain the KH2+ stuff unless their specific connection didn't end when Sora freed Kairi from his heart.


Ienzo will think of some justification that makes sense in the confines of the Kingdom Hearts universe.

Violet Pluto

June 16, 2020 @ 07:12 pmOffline

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Eh, I'll just do what I did last game. Look at some trailers, keep away from discussion, because it gets... ... ... And start looking at the discussion again once I've formed my own opinions. Also for those talking about the assets, I'll pay for the reuse, as long as the game it is used in is good. For me that isn't a major problem, after all there are still 60 dollar ports for one years old game I'd rather be mad about.

Alpha Baymax

Ienzo will think of some justification that makes sense in the confines of the Kingdom Hearts universe.

We already have the Chain of Memories in Sora's heart causing those who knew him to forget about him, I don't think it needs to be too far from what was already established.

Xblade13

June 16, 2020 @ 07:12 pmOffline

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I don't want to let everyone's hopes down about the Black Coat, but in Re:coded they hyped up the Black Coat in that for trailers as well, and that just turned out to be Data Riku. Anything is possible here.

Andriux

June 16, 2020 @ 07:15 pmOffline

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The Kairi bit seems like more DLC as oppose to its own game, but we shall see!

Hirokey123

June 16, 2020 @ 07:21 pmOffline

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Yeah but this figure is really big and the coat is the same design as the MoM's...and come on no way Nomura is passing up revealing MoM's face in "KH:MoM".

This actually I think further cements this is building up to the Verum Rex stuff, in the secret ending we saw Riku, Sora, and the MoM all there. It's probably that Kairi and Riku meet MoM in MoM and then he goes with them or directs them to Verum Rex which is how he gets there/involved with what is going on.

The_Echo

June 16, 2020 @ 07:25 pmOffline

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IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING

This is unironically more exciting for me than Kingdom Hearts III's announcement.
I have wanted this game for YEARS.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 07:36 pmOffline

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Wow seems like this game is already hated and it just have been announced. And I felt I was being negative for wanting more Kairi.

I don't mind the reuse of the ps2 assets because it means it can be multiplatform, it can be launched quickly and that we can go back to iconic worlds and scenes of the games. It is not like this game was promised, so I'll take it as at the very least it seems fun.

In a couple of years, let's see for how many people this game becomes their favorite.

TheZX

June 16, 2020 @ 07:39 pmOffline

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You'd think they would've used the Unreal models for the melody game.

SuperNova

June 16, 2020 @ 07:39 pmOffline

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You know, I was pretty certain this was gonna be a rhythm game when the logo was leaked yesterday..but to see it be a reality just makes me feel resigned to the madness. Nomura's insanity knows no bounds, and I will gladly open my wallet as the insane fan that I am. Let's go Nomura, hit me with your worst shot, I am ready.

Squood!

June 16, 2020 @ 07:43 pmOffline

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SuperNova

You know, I was pretty certain this was gonna be a rhythm game when the logo was leaked yesterday..but to see it be a reality just makes me feel resigned to the madness. Nomura's insanity knows no bounds, and I will gladly open my wallet as the insane fan that I am. Let's go Nomura, hit me with your worst shot, I am ready.

I mean, he ain't the first to do it.

Persona did it before him.

2 quid is good

June 16, 2020 @ 07:46 pmOffline

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Right, cos Quantity over Quality right? Man, I'm tired of this all xD

Sign

June 16, 2020 @ 07:50 pmOffline

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People before: "Why did they use this new art style for KH3, it looked better before" and "god I hate the Theatrhythm chibis, the normal style is better"

People now: "Why didn't they use the KH3 style ugh" and "BRING BACK THE CHIBIS"

SuperNova

June 16, 2020 @ 07:56 pmOffline

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The KH fanbase will never truly be happy, we are all doom to walk in the darkness as was predicted. All is right with the world.

Luminary

June 16, 2020 @ 07:59 pmOffline

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Setting aside whether or not this will do justice for Kairi or not for a moment, a game like this is pretty good considering we just got Re:Mind a few months ago and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic. It’d be different if this was the next game and it wasn’t coming out until late 2021/2022, but this is just around the corner and it’s the 3rd KH project releasing in less than a year. I hope people can just enjoy it for what it is while we wait for the next major installment.

As far as the graphics go, I’m glad they’re sticking with the OG art style as a callback to the games the music comes from. I’d rather that than them devote the time and resources to recreating all those assets just for this instead of working on the next standard KH game.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 08:04 pmOffline

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2 quid is good

Right, cos Quantity over Quality right? Man, I'm tired of this all xD


I would agree with you that I much rather have a PS exclusive game with the best graphics ever than reused assets IF this was something in the vein of KH2-3. Being a side game, even if it contains plot progression, about playing through iconic KH music, I don't mind it having worse graphics if that means they can make the game they want. It is not like this was a super awaited game for the fanbase that have been in development for years. It's a game probably meant to be more fun than important, mostly unexpected. and that will arrive way shorter than any other "important, amazing graphics" game.

Also, seeing the pixar under the logo, we may see the KH3 assets in the worlds belonging to that game.

Alpha Baymax

June 16, 2020 @ 08:11 pmOffline

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TheZX

You'd think they would've used the Unreal models for the melody game.


There are two more unannounced Kingdom Hearts games coming up if we assume the two blank boxes in the title montage are games. Then, there's also the fact that this game is on the Nintendo Switch so maybe it's also a performance preference, too?

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Deleted member 252753

June 16, 2020 @ 08:25 pmOffline

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When I read people talking about a rhythm game I hated the idea but when I finally watched the trailer with sound I am actually looking forward to playing it. If it isn't too hard I think it could be quite fun and relaxing. Also it offers a glimmer of hope that I can finally get my partner to play a Kingdom Hearts game lol.

Rydgea

June 16, 2020 @ 08:30 pmOffline

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There will always be games that have nostalgic art direction, whether it's sprites, low-polygon models, etc. I can appreciate that. That being said, these look rather polished. I'm not sure what assets they utilized. Re:coded's cinematics? Which I still haven't seen.

This is just one of those moments where I'm allowing myself to enjoy a KH rhythm game for what it is, and not some contrived, canonical Kairi epic.

bobgoesw00t

June 16, 2020 @ 08:30 pmOffline

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Oh good god, Nomura once again proves why he's the world's number one troll with the last part of the trailer. WHEN WILL SOMEONE PUT AN END TO HIS MADNESS!!!!! .....and by that, I mean he should keep up the trolling xD

The_Echo

June 16, 2020 @ 08:47 pmOffline

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Dast

When I read people talking about a rhythm game I hated the idea but when I finally watched the trailer with sound I am actually looking forward to playing it. If it isn't too hard I think it could be quite fun and relaxing. Also it offers a glimmer of hope that I can finally get my partner to play a Kingdom Hearts game lol.

It looks a lot like Theatrhythm (you can see the music note difficulty symbol next to the song title, even)
It's likely being developed by that team.
So there'll be various difficulties, the lowest of which will likely be easy enough for anyone to play.

AegisXIII

June 16, 2020 @ 09:09 pmOffline

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I am happy to see it on switch. Looks like the compilation is just a matter of time now. But where on earth is PC?

LostArtist

June 16, 2020 @ 09:10 pmOffline

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definitely getting the switch version. I'm stupidly excited for this ?‍♂️

This part is satisfying

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The Dead Skin

June 16, 2020 @ 09:11 pmOffline

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quick Kairi Returns: Kingdom Hearts 3.1 trailer translation, some stuff is probs wrong but L O L

Japanese script

[text]
そして
"記憶の旋律"に秘められ市
"彼の"最後の計画ー

[Xehanort]
たどり着く世界がこちら側の光でも闇でもなく
裏側の世界だった場合、見つけ出す良いではなくなる

[Kairi]
あなたのせいで私の運命は不運道される
私の力が足りないせいだ、みんなよ、ソラが傷ついた
今、目の前にあなたがたとい記憶の幻であっても。。。
私はあなたを許さない


I think it"]
[Text]
"His" final plan lies hidden in the "melody of memories"...

[Xehanort]
The world you'll reach has no light or darkness on this side.
You can go to the other side


It's your fault that my destiny went so wrong.
I couldn't protect Sora, or everyone else... because I wasn't strong enough.
Even if you're just a vision yanked from my memories...
I won't forgive you!

GreyouTT

June 16, 2020 @ 09:13 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Where does the mobile stuff fit in?


That would be Phase 3.1415

*TwilightNight*

It's really a relief not investing in KH any longer and just overseeing how things go within distance.


Isn't that still investing into KH tho

Luminary

June 16, 2020 @ 09:21 pmOffline

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As for the hooded figure, I think Apprentice Xehanort makes the most sense with Kairi’s dialogue in the scene. It could be satisfying to see her duel him since he was the version of Xehanort that impacted her the most. (Assuming that she is talking to that hooded figure and it isn’t misleading editing.)

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 09:21 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax

There are two more unannounced Kingdom Hearts games coming up if we assume the two blank boxes in the title montage are games. Then, there's also the fact that this game is on the Nintendo Switch so maybe it's also a performance preference, too?

They could do better than PS2/3DS-level on Switch surely.

Zip


As for the hooded figure, I think Apprentice Xehanort makes the most sense with Kairi’s dialogue in the scene. It could be satisfying to see her duel him since he was the version of Xehanort that impacted her the most. (Assuming that she is talking to that hooded figure and it isn’t misleading editing.)


The 2nd most sorely missing member of the true Org.

okhi12

June 16, 2020 @ 09:22 pmOffline

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GreyouTT

That would be Phase 3.1415

Kingdom Hearts π 3,1415 -A Fragmentary Irrational Number- confirmed, a movie containing Unchained/Union X scenes.

The_Echo

June 16, 2020 @ 09:30 pmOffline

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MATGSY

They could do better than PS2/3DS-level on Switch surely.

Because it's a rhythm game, they probably want it running at 60fps.
It could also have something to do with the workload of recreating series-wide assets that were not previously made for KHIII.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 09:35 pmOffline

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The Dead Skin

quick Kairi Returns: Kingdom Hearts 3.1 trailer translation, some stuff is probs wrong but L O L

So are we going to get a Apprentice Terranort boss battle? Not sure what they can do to differentiate it from the actually Terranort but I'm down

maryadavies

June 16, 2020 @ 09:38 pmOffline

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This is one I'll proly skip (because I'm TERRIBLE at rhythm games) but it does look interesting and hopefully I can check the cs's out on youtube ^^.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 09:40 pmOffline

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The_Echo

Because it's a rhythm game, they probably want it running at 60fps.
It could also have something to do with the workload of recreating series-wide assets that were not previously made for KHIII.


This, pretty much. The number of assets they have with the previous design is way bigger than what they have with the KH3 engine. And it is not only worlds, but party members, heartless... and the scenes themselves, like Days ending.

I guess it narrows down to short development time, number of worlds to play and graphical content. They probably had to choose more worlds representing the whole series than having only a few representation of them in KH3 quality.

Face My Fears

June 16, 2020 @ 09:40 pmOffline

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I loved the Avengers/Marvel style intro. I guess the KH universe has been assembled lol.

Honestly I screamed when they announced the soundtrack. That is what I've been looking forward to the most.

I feel like Melody of Memory will be a Kairi playable (in KH3 graphics) game and the melody parts are mini-games. They did say that it had 4 modes. I'm just hoping that Kairi's solo focused game isn't some rhythm game... where you are mostly Sora.

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 09:43 pmOffline

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I'll just play it at the lowest difficulty so i can get the story bits tbh. i might even enjoy the gameplay, never tried playing this type of games, so pretty excited to try it out.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 09:44 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

So are we going to get a Apprentice Terranort boss battle? Not sure what they can do to differentiate it from the actually Terranort but I'm down

Well it's a music rhythm game for starters. I mean granted, Terranort could be a boss in this as well but that's unconfirmed so far. The BBS stuff could mostly be Ven's/Vanitas' PoV that Sora is seeing.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 09:53 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Well it's a music rhythm game for starters. I mean granted, Terranort could be a boss in this as well but that's unconfirmed so far. The BBS stuff could mostly be Ven's/Vanitas' PoV that Sora is seeing.

Even if its cutscene only it will still be satisfying seeing Kairi face off against Apprentice Terranort. I never would have guessed Nomura addressing that part of Kairi's story

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 09:55 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Even if its cutscene only it will still be satisfying seeing Kairi face off against Apprentice Terranort. I never would have guessed Nomura addressing that part of Kairi's story

Kairi vs. AX, reason #3 on why she should've been playable in DDD (since Sora & Riku had their own nort rivals).

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Foxycian

June 16, 2020 @ 10:18 pmOffline

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I am very worried by what I saw in the end. I can't believe they're once again making a game that is completely different to the rest essential to the story.

I mean, it even looks like we will find who MoM is in this game. IN THE RHYTHM GAME!

Like come on, sometimes it's fine to just make a spinoff.

Well at least it’s a “ps4/switch/Xbox” game

Absent

June 16, 2020 @ 10:18 pmOffline

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The Phase 2 idea just boggles me for some reason. Post KH2 really feels more the second phase of this franchise. I’d consider this like 3rd or 4th phase.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 10:20 pmOffline

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 10:24 pmOffline

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While it may be anti-climatic, I think the coated figure might be apprentice Xehanort. Given that his abduction of Kairi seems key to this story and put everyone on a collision course to be targeted years later on Destiny Islands by his heartless, I can't think of anyone else she would hate more.

She says the figure is either a memory or a phantom, so she seems pretty sure it's no one still alive. While some might think it would be too obvious, they did something similar with Vexen in the "Final Battle" trailer for KH3.

Perhaps Xehanort tampered with Kairi's memory to make her forget everything from her life on Radiant Garden as part of a final plan: maybe he didn't want her to ever realize her true power, which memory can have an effect over. The stars she sees in the final world may be representative of her friends and family from Radiant Garden, all gone because of what Xehanort did.

She might have more reason than anyone to hate this particular form of Xehanort, even more so than Ansem the Wise.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 10:43 pmOffline

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darknessofheart

While it may be anti-climatic, I think the coated figure might be apprentice Xehanort. Given that his abduction of Kairi seems key to this story and put everyone on a collision course to be targeted years later on Destiny Islands by his heartless, I can't think of anyone else she would hate more.

She says the figure is either a memory or a phantom, so she seems pretty sure it's no one still alive. While some might think it would be too obvious, they did something similar with Vexen in the "Final Battle" trailer for KH3.

Perhaps Xehanort tampered with Kairi's memory to make her forget everything from her life on Radiant Garden as part of a final plan: maybe he didn't want her to ever realize her true power, which memory can have an effect over. The stars she sees in the final world may be representative of her friends and family from Radiant Garden, all gone because of what Xehanort did.

She might have more reason than anyone to hate this particular form of Xehanort, even more so than Ansem the Wise.

I think they're going with the angle that Kairi got sudden PTSD at the sight of Terranort in KH3 & that's why she was all deer in the headlights.

Elysium

June 16, 2020 @ 10:50 pmOffline

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Well, I'm happy about the rhythm game and very disappointed about Kairi having a solo game. Ugh. I was hoping them forcing playable Kairi on us would be in a game with multiple scenarios to give me some incentive to play it. I don't want to waste money on a game following the worst "character" in this series.

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Henryp

June 16, 2020 @ 11:02 pmOffline

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Seeing the Kairi scenes in Radiant Garden and Final World, it feels like it could be the opening and ending respectively. Maybe the flashbacks will come mid game. As Riku is in there, that should be happening after Limit Cut and possibly means the prologue to the next entry.

Xblade13

June 16, 2020 @ 11:03 pmOffline

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I think the PS2 era assets were used primarily because of the time for development, and partly because if they used scenes from early games (like the Days scene in the trailer, the zebra Xemnas fight, presumably Sora's sacrifice in KH1) but used KH3 Sora it would clash bad. It was a choice between having KH3 Sora with PS2 scenes in the background, sync the two up like they ended up doing, or remaking all those old scenes in Unreal, possibly taking way more time than they should on a rhythm game.

If you think about it though, this game will be pleasing large parts of the fanbase all at once. Let's make a checklist.

- Theatrhythm Kingdom Hearts - check.
- Kairi game giving her motivations besides just Sora (the scenes seem to imply that, while she is indeed trying to find Sora, she also feels guilty about being weak and that will be her new character arc) - check.
- More Apprentice Xehanort - check
- Not taking a decade to advance the plot - check

We all knew that they had several development teams set aside for Kingdom Hearts. That means Kingdom Hearts as a brand will be branching out to other game genres (like in this case, a rhythm game) and giving side games to fill in plot threads like side games used to, while the main team goes ahead and starts making KH4.

alexis.anagram

June 16, 2020 @ 11:09 pmOffline

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Oh, so this is the Kairi game. Haha, cool, cool. Promised and delivered.

Color me surprised that the first two titles immediately announced to follow KH3 are both batting cleanup for the Xehanort Saga. And here I was under the impression (after having it repeatedly drilled into me) that the game's sole objective was to bring closure to that narrative strain and the cliffhanger was acceptable because it ended the Xehanort story and moved the franchise on towards something new.

And yet somehow this strikes me as like the inverse of the post-KH2 Days/BBS/Coded announcement. Whereas that showcased the capacity for the franchise to expand itself conceptually, post-KH3 it's all been about taking advantage of the generosity of patience which exists/has been conditioned into the fandom. Surely folks will be just riveted at the opportunity to play through a segmented rehash of all of the previous games, again. Surely if they're given an IV drip of new canon that is really old canon but repackaged to look like new canon, it'll get eaten right up.

Yum stale franchise breadcrumbs. While we're at it, Days remake, please and thank you. I'll even accept it in rhythm game format if Xion is playable.

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 11:14 pmOffline

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MATGSY

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I think they're going with the angle that Kairi got sudden PTSD at the sight of Terranort in KH3 & that's why she was all deer in the headlights.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Given that this would be the first time she saw him again since her abduction, that scene suddenly has an additional layer of disturbing context.

After seeing further translated trailers, I'm more convinced the figure is apprentice Xehanort. I don't know who else she would have a memory of that she despises so much unless they pull a Subject X stunt and introduce another new character into the backstory from left-field.

On a side-note, I like the callback to the static similar to Sora's memory reconstruction in KH2, only this time it's Kairi's memories. Perhaps at the conclusion, her full memory and power is restored and serves as the key to reaching Sora.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 11:23 pmOffline

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darknessofheart

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Given that this would be the first time she saw him again since her abduction, that scene suddenly has an additional layer of disturbing context.

After seeing further translated trailers, I'm more convinced the figure is apprentice Xehanort. I don't know who else she would have a memory of that she despises so much unless they pull a Subject X stunt and introduce another new character into the backstory from left-field.

On a side-note, I like the callback to the static similar to Sora's memory reconstruction in KH2, only this time it's Kairi's memories. Perhaps at the conclusion of her true, her full memory and power is restored and serves as the key to reach Sora.

Seriously, why the hell didn't we get a Kairi scenario in DDD? Could've had a CLU fight, Frollo, a TWEWY boss, thunder-based yellow lobster, Full-bodied Holey Moley, a Chernabog fight that didn't suck, & AX as her final boss. Such wasted potential. :(

silentmusic16

June 16, 2020 @ 11:26 pmOffline

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I love me some rhythm gaming - mixing it wth KH is only a great thing in my mind. And to think that Nomura is continuing his decades-long run as a total madman and squeezing plot relevant details into this is wonderful, at least to me. I can't imagine ever getting off Nomura's wild ride.

Is it disappointing that in "Kairi's game" we're likely not playing as her? Sure. But I have hope that she'll show up as playable on future ARPG titles now that she has in Re:Mind, and anyway, we're finally getting more Kairi focus regardless - definitely a net positive imo.

[SPOILER]That it's on the Switch is fanning the flames of my forever-hope that we'll get Sora in Smash.[/SPOILER]

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 11:26 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Seriously, why the hell didn't we get a Kairi scenario in DDD? Could've had a CLU fight, Frollo, a TWEWY boss, thunder-based yellow lobster, Full-bodied Holey Moley, a Chernabog fight that didn't suck, & AX as her final boss. Such wasted potential. :(


Hopefully, this is just a preview of what's to come later on in the series. It seems Nomura certainly got the message from fans that they want and expect Kairi to be a real active part of the action as a fighter. Apparently, he didn't get that message in time for KH3, but it looks like he's trying to make up for it with ReMind and now this, so hopefully in the next console game that will also hold true.

Zettaflare

June 16, 2020 @ 11:29 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Seriously, why the hell didn't we get a Kairi scenario in DDD? Could've had a CLU fight, Frollo, a TWEWY boss, thunder-based yellow lobster, Full-bodied Holey Moley, a Chernabog fight that didn't suck, & AX as her final boss. Such wasted potential. :(

There was really no reason why Kairi shouldn't have take the exam the first time. None. Yen Sid was already planning on having her fight so just have her become Master level with the boys, sheesh

the red monster

June 16, 2020 @ 11:32 pmOffline

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Can't wait for kingdom karts with sora driving through realm of darkness being cannon

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darknessofheart

June 16, 2020 @ 11:33 pmOffline

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Also, I think this further confirms just how much Nomura loves Xehanort as a character. With Dark Road and now MoM, the series is still largely revolving around Xehanort even though he's finally gone. I'm all for that as long as it doesn't lead into some contrived way of bringing him back yet again.

Richard Epcar made a slight joke in an interview last year that he might be back because they keep doing prequel and spinoff games and he was right. I would imagine he would be back to voice apprentice Xehanort again.

*TwilightNight*

June 16, 2020 @ 11:36 pmOffline

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GreyouTT
Isn't that still investing into KH tho


Search what the definition of "investing" is.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 11:38 pmOffline

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the red monster

Can't wait for kingdom karts with sora driving through realm of darkness being cannon

Sounds better than a music rhythm game to me.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 11:41 pmOffline

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MATGSY

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Kairi can't forgive him. Not something someone with a pure heart devoid of darkness would say or should feel. Hmm.

Seeing this makes me wish apprentice Xehanort truly was one of the 13 Seekers of Darkness and be Kairi's foe in KH3...and bump off Marluxia and/or Larxene. What could have been. Looks like they are trying to correct that now.

2 quid is good

June 16, 2020 @ 11:42 pmOffline

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Kingdom Hearts is just such a monkey paw franchise.

I get a rhythm game which I've always would have loved but it's tied to the plot in such a weird way.

I get a Kairi centric game.... But she's likely not even playable in it, or voiced by Hayden Panettiere which is kinda extremely sad.

I get KH3 and it's... Well, it's a game.

I get a Xehanort prologue game! And new characters who look so good! And it's on a mobile!!

It's the epitome of you can't have your cake and eat it. We never get to eat xD

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 11:43 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Kairi can't forgive him. Not something someone with a pure heart devoid of darkness would say or should feel. Hmm.

Seeing this makes me wish apprentice Xehanort truly was one of the 13 Seekers of Darkness and be Kairi's foe in KH3...and bump off Marluxia and/or Larxene. What could have been. Looks like they are trying to correct that now.

I was already doubtful that Kairi would forever remain a PoH anyway. It's a bit inelegant for her to be in 2 different generations. Have her pass the torch to Vanellope or something.

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 11:46 pmOffline

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MATGSY

I was already doubtful that Kairi would forever remain a PoH anyway. It's a bit inelegant for her to be in 2 different generations. Have her pass the torch to Vanellope or something.

Vanellope's like a major brat...she'd be perfect as a pure heart. I would hope Kairi got to use her PoH powers before passing them off.

MATGSY

June 16, 2020 @ 11:48 pmOffline

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2 quid is good

Kingdom Hearts is just such a monkey paw franchise.

I get a rhythm game which I've always would have loved but it's tied to the plot in such a weird way.

I get a Kairi centric game.... But she's likely not even playable in it, or voiced by Hayden Panettiere which is kinda extremely sad.

I get KH3 and it's... Well, it's a game.

I get a Xehanort prologue game! And new characters who look so good! And it's on a mobile!!

It's the epitome of you can't have your cake and eat it. We never get to eat xD

Don't forget epic crossover of Disney & Final Fantasy but they barely crossover at all & are all overshadowed by a mass of fan fic OCs. Series has been monkey pawing since Day 0.

Zul

June 16, 2020 @ 11:49 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Seeing this makes me wish apprentice Xehanort truly was one of the 13 Seekers of Darkness and be Kairi's foe in KH3...and bump off Marluxia and/or Larxene. What could have been. Looks like they are trying to correct that now.


The weird thing is that if he didn't lose his memories, he's Terranort, who is MX.

If he did, he's Ansem SoD.

There doesn't appear to be a way to actually fit AX as a separate being into the Seekers.

Assuming memory loss.

Terranort=MX in Terra's Body
AX= MX's amnesiac heart(treating this as a separate identity) in Terra's Body
Ansem SoD= MX Amnesiac heart in no body, then in Riku's body, then in a replica body in KH3.

...I guess it counts since the heart/body combination between AX and ASoD is different?

SweetYetSalty

June 16, 2020 @ 11:52 pmOffline

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Zul

The weird thing is that if he didn't lose his memories, he's Terranort, who is MX.

If he did, he's Ansem SoD.

There doesn't appear to be a way to actually fit AX as a separate being into the Seekers.

Assuming memory loss.

Terranort=MX in Terra's Body
AX= MX's amnesiac heart(treating this as a separate identity) in Terra's Body
Ansem SoD= MX Amnesiac heart in no body, then in Riku's body, then in a replica body in KH3.

...I guess it counts since the heart/body combination between AX and ASoD is different?

I mean a lot of this is true, but Terranort and Master Xehanort act nothing alike. I can't believe they are the same person sometimes. I think there is enough to separate Ansem Seeker and apprentice Xehanort, as absurd as that sounds, to be their own figures. Apprentice Xehanort was more of a scientist while Ansem was a darkness fanatic with a Riku fetish.

2 quid is good

June 16, 2020 @ 11:52 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Don't forget epic crossover of Disney & Final Fantasy but they barely crossover at all & are all overshadowed by a mass of fan fic OCs. Series has been monkeying pawing since Day 0.

KH1 really is still the peak of the franchise huh

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June 16, 2020 @ 11:56 pmOffline

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2 quid is good
We never get to eat xD

speak for yourself, i'm feasting.

alexis.anagram

Oh, so this is the Kairi game. Haha, cool, cool. Promised and delivered.

Color me surprised that the first two titles immediately announced to follow KH3 are both batting cleanup for the Xehanort Saga. And here I was under the impression (after having it repeatedly drilled into me) that the game's sole objective was to bring closure to that narrative strain and the cliffhanger was acceptable because it ended the Xehanort story and moved the franchise on towards something new.

And yet somehow this strikes me as like the inverse of the post-KH2 Days/BBS/Coded announcement. Whereas that showcased the capacity for the franchise to expand itself conceptually, post-KH3 it's all been about taking advantage of the generosity of patience which exists/has been conditioned into the fandom. Surely folks will be just riveted at the opportunity to play through a segmented rehash of all of the previous games, again. Surely if they're given an IV drip of new canon that is really old canon but repackaged to look like new canon, it'll get eaten right up.

Yum stale franchise breadcrumbs. While we're at it, Days remake, please and thank you. I'll even accept it in rhythm game format if Xion is playable.

ah, exhausting as ever, alexis.

Zul

June 16, 2020 @ 11:58 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

I mean a lot of this is true, but Terranort and Master Xehanort act nothing alike. I can't believe they are the same person sometimes. I think there is enough to separate Ansem Seeker and apprentice Xehanort, as absurd as that sounds, to be their own figures. Apprentice Xehanort was more of a scientist while Ansem was a darkness fanatic with a Riku fetish.


I notice that too. Nomura himself stated that it's MX controlling Terra's body (or rather, the plot mysteries part of the old BBS Ultimania stated that).

But the dialogue itself is confusing. Most of the time it speaks as if it IS MX in Terra's body, but a few times it sounds like "Dark Terra" instead.

"You'll never be able to break these chains, they're OUR bonds!" (unless that line was meant to be mockery?)


EDIT: This confusion also happened in DDD, where the dialogue acted as if Ansem SoD was 100% Master Xehanort, but KH3 acted like he was separate.

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 12:04 amOffline

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2 quid is good

KH1 really is still the peak of the franchise huh

Some days I think a full remake of KH1 with 2's gameplay and 3's world design would be the undisputed best game of the series. But then I realize they'd ruin everything great about KH1 in the process. Even FF7R isn't enough to fill me with hope.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 12:08 amOffline

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Zul

I notice that too. Nomura himself stated that it's MX controlling Terra's body (or rather, the plot mysteries part of the old BBS Ultimania stated that).

But the dialogue itself is confusing. Most of the time it speaks as if it IS MX in Terra's body, but a few times it sounds like "Dark Terra" instead.

"You'll never be able to break these chains, they're OUR bonds!" (unless that line was meant to be mockery?)


EDIT: This confusion also happened in DDD, where the dialogue acted as if Ansem SoD was 100% Master Xehanort, but KH3 acted like he was separate.

Funnily enough then KH3 acts like Ansem SoD is 100% apprentice Xehanort, which would be closer then Master Xehanort, to be fair. I think they flip flop between what which Xehanort knows or acts like what. Remember when Xemnas was more like apprentice Xehanort in KH2 when confronting Ansem the Wise?

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June 17, 2020 @ 12:08 amOffline

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MATGSY

Some days I feel think a full remake of KH1 with 2's gameplay and 3's world design would be the undisputed best game of the series. But then I realize they'd ruin everything great about KH1 in the process. Even FF7R isn't enough to fill me with hope.

Oh yeah, I do agree there. The last thing I'd want is KH1s plot retroactively changed to make it fit with new canon

Zul

June 17, 2020 @ 12:14 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Funnily enough then KH3 acts like Ansem SoD is 100% apprentice Xehanort, which would be closer then Master Xehanort, to be fair. I think they flip flop between what which Xehanort knows or acts like what. Remember when Xemnas was more like apprentice Xehanort in KH2 when confronting Ansem the Wise?


That conversation felt more like an AX-DiZ interaction than the ASoD-DiZ one in KH3 did lol.
Makes me wonder what the convo would be if both Xemnas and Ansem showed up to take DiZ to the mansion.

the red monster

June 17, 2020 @ 12:16 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Ansem was a darkness fanatic with a Riku fetish.


Lmao

GreyouTT

June 17, 2020 @ 12:16 amOffline

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*TwilightNight*

Search what the definition of "investing" is.

You're still investing time into the series by talking about it and following it from afar yo.

:v

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 12:18 amOffline

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Zul

That conversation felt more like an AX-DiZ interaction than the ASoD-DiZ one in KH3 did lol.
Makes me wonder what the convo would be if both Xemnas and Ansem showed up to take DiZ to the mansion.

That would be confusing and hilarious at the same time. Xemnas and Ansem would probably be swapping memories right there on the spot, finishing each other confusing sentences and downright exhausting DiZ. I wish that happened.

The_Echo

June 17, 2020 @ 12:42 amOffline

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MATGSY

I was already doubtful that Kairi would forever remain a PoH anyway. It's a bit inelegant for her to be in 2 different generations. Have her pass the torch to Vanellope or something.

I saw someone say once that Kairi might have been allowed to remain a Princess because her heart wasn't used to forge the Keyblade of people's hearts in KH1. Like, if a Princess fails to keep her light safe, it's passed on to someone new.
Following that line of thinking, it's possible that Xehanort shattering her into a bazillion little pieces revoked her Princess status.

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 12:48 amOffline

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The_Echo

I saw someone say once that Kairi might have been allowed to remain a Princess because her heart wasn't used to forge the Keyblade of people's hearts in KH1. Like, if a Princess fails to keep her light safe, it's passed on to someone new.
Following that line of thinking, it's possible that Xehanort shattering her into a bazillion little pieces revoked her Princess status.

Yeah, she was used to make the X-blade there so that's like the other 6 being used to create the key to hearts in KH1.

Chaser

June 17, 2020 @ 12:50 amOffline

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You know what, I don't hate this. Just hand me a release date, Square Enix, and I'll pre-order on PS4.

alexis.anagram

June 17, 2020 @ 12:54 amOffline

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Audo
ah, exhausting as ever, alexis.

What can I say, it's a special kind of vindication to witness how every decision Nomura makes reinforces the criticisms surrounding his handling of the series. KH3 so fundamentally failed at its own explicit objectives that fans are now being baited with a rhythm game for an hour or two of Kairi plot.

But by all means, feast away. I'm not here to unhook anyone, just to laugh at the absurdity of it all. The fans really do always win with this franchise.

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 12:54 amOffline

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Chaser

You know what, I don't hate this. Just hand me a release date, Square Enix, and I'll pre-order on PS4.

Give me Beginner difficulty & I'll get it on Switch.

Heck, I'm suddenly tempted to buy Curtain Call for 3DS now. It's under $10 on Amazon. ?

Zettaflare

June 17, 2020 @ 01:00 amOffline

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Audo

speak for yourself, i'm feasting.


ah, exhausting as ever, alexis.

Hey Audo welcome back. Glad to see the announcement of the next games bringing back so many older members

Face My Fears

June 17, 2020 @ 01:05 amOffline

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Does anyone know how Melody of Memory will play? It will be so weird to see something constantly swap between PS2 and PS4 graphics in one title.

Will the rhythm games be mini-games and there's actual Kairi gameplay (non-rhythm) that they haven't shown yet? It will be SO disappointing that Kairi's game is a rhythm game and you barely even play as her (dare I say it's sexist). I'd have rather revisited the same worlds in KH3 with Kairi and get new cutscenes.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 01:13 amOffline

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Its really sad that the Kairi game a lot of fans have been clamoring for STILL found a way to put her on the back burner by somehow making KH1 Sora playable for the 50th time. I really hope we can unlock other characters..

GreyouTT

June 17, 2020 @ 01:17 amOffline

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SuperNova

Its really sad that the Kairi game a lot of fans have been clamoring for STILL found a way to put her on the back burner by somehow making KH1 Sora playable for the 50th time. I really hope we can unlock other characters..


It said ya can.

The_Echo

June 17, 2020 @ 01:24 amOffline

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SuperNova

Its really sad that the Kairi game a lot of fans have been clamoring for STILL found a way to put her on the back burner by somehow making KH1 Sora playable for the 50th time. I really hope we can unlock other characters..

There will be many playable characters.
Undoubtedly in a fashion similar to Theatrhythm, which lets you make parties with characters from all over the FF franchise.
Probably including variant designs so if you really wanted, you could have a party of KH1 Kairi, KHII Kairi and KHIII Kairi.
Maybe.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 01:27 amOffline

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Thats good to know, considering KH1 Sora's combos while in movement makes him look like he's got butter attached to his feet. I would love to see what animations KH1 Kairi and KH2 Kairi could potentially have, that is if she is even playable in her own game, but knowing Square I'm not getting my hopes up.

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June 17, 2020 @ 01:30 amOffline

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Hmmmm.. so my logical deduction here is that Melody of Memory refers to Kairi’s memories and an attempt to resurface the ones she lost from her childhood in Radiant Garden. The flashbacks seem to be evidence towards this at least.

Based off this I get the feeling that the actual gameplay is going to be explained very similarly to coded or the limit cut episode where we are “playing” as Kairi who is playing as these characters in some datascape or memory chamber or what have you to recover these memories by attuning her heart or some mumbo jumbo like that.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out from a story aspect, and I must say I get why this is happening. Kairi has no reason to be traversing Disney worlds, and KH has to incorporate them some way so this is how that’s being tackled. I wish actual playable Kairi in a typical KH game was happening, but for all we know it still can in the near future. Also if they’re really going to show us MoM face then I am HYPED for this game! :D

Honestly I just feel lucky to be living in an era post KH3 where new releases do not need a decade to arrive :’)

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 01:45 amOffline

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Face My Fears

Does anyone know how Melody of Memory will play? It will be so weird to see something constantly swap between PS2 and PS4 graphics in one title.

Will the rhythm games be mini-games and there's actual Kairi gameplay (non-rhythm) that they haven't shown yet? It will be SO disappointing that Kairi's game is a rhythm game and you barely even play as her (dare I say it's sexist). I'd have rather revisited the same worlds in KH3 with Kairi and get new cutscenes.

There seems to be 3 types of play styles:

1. The semi-GH style with characters running on a track. I presume different buttons correspond to each party members. Graphics are in-game & thus focus on PS2/PSP/3DS(?) worlds.


2. "Event songs" where a video plays in the background. Theatrhythm FF had these for the old FMVs+Advent Children footage. Presumably this is how the DS/PS4 games are covered.


3. Bossfights have another format as shown by Zebra Xemnas. The closest analog I can think of is the rebuttal showdowns from Danganronpa's Bullet Time Battles (which it also treated as pseudo bossfights).


Kairi scenes are currently presumed to be cutscene only & are likely pre-rendered video files rather than in-game (because otherwise they can't run on Switch). I would not rule out the possibility of Kairi eventually taking part in the rhythm gameplay, particularly for the game's final boss which I guess is her vs. the new Black Coat in the boss-song format. But normal gameplay even for a few fights is highly unlikely in this title.

The_Echo

June 17, 2020 @ 02:04 amOffline

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Regarding how the story will appear, worlds are marked with cutscene symbols on the world map similar to quests in UX.[ATTACH type="full"]12719[/ATTACH]

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 02:09 amOffline

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MATGSY

There seems to be 3 types of play styles:

1. The semi-GH style with characters running on a track. I presume different buttons correspond to each party members. Graphics are in-game & thus focus on PS2/PSP/3DS(?) worlds.


2. "Event songs" where a video plays in the background. Theatrhythm FF had these for the old FMVs+Advent Children footage. Presumably this is how the DS/PS4 games are covered.


3. Bossfights have another format as shown by Zebra Xemnas. The closest analog I can think of is the rebuttal showdowns from Danganronpa's Bullet Time Battles (which it also treated as pseudo bossfights).


Kairi scenes are currently presumed to be cutscene only & are likely pre-rendered video files rather than in-game (because otherwise they can't run on Switch). I would not rule out the possibility of Kairi eventually taking part in the rhythm gameplay, particularly for the game's final boss which I guess is her vs. the new Black Coat in the boss-song format. But normal gameplay even for a few fights is highly unlikely in this title.

So these are Rhythm games? Ugh this game is likely to be one big Atlantica. They'll probably put Ursula's Revenge in there just to throw me off.

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 02:19 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

So these are Rhythm games? Ugh this game is likely to be one big Atlantica. They'll probably put Ursula's Revenge in there just to throw me off.

Atlantica is not as bad as Ice Cream Beat or console Sorcery of Symphony (Screw Riku's reality shift in the snow area so damn much!)
Also, you're only now noticing it's a rhythm game?

alexis.anagram

June 17, 2020 @ 02:20 amOffline

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Face My Fears

Does anyone know how Melody of Memory will play? It will be so weird to see something constantly swap between PS2 and PS4 graphics in one title.

I'm not actually convinced this one should bother people so much: all of the KH games swap between graphics and models, KH3 more than the others (granted, the pre-rendered stuff looked wonky because of how it was animated), and this is staple for the older FF games as well. I guess A Fragmentary Passage was a bit more disorienting because the flashback bits were directly contrasted with the current events, so if it's handled like that it could be off putting, but otherwise I don't see the difference between playing a rhythm section/switching to "good graphics" vs playing the end of KH/switching to "good graphics."

I guess it's fair to make the case that this kind of strong dissonance shouldn't come with modern games, though.

Face My Fears
It will be SO disappointing that Kairi's game is a rhythm game and you barely even play as her (dare I say it's sexist). I'd have rather revisited the same worlds in KH3 with Kairi and get new cutscenes.

This brings forward the bigger issue which is that once again fans are being sold content that ought to have been in KH3, delivered in a way that could have been integrated. I would have taken Namine using rhythm mini-games featuring this series' iconic score intermittently to traverse the memories of the various characters and lead into big climactic story moments restoring hearts and reconnecting the cast and revealing back stories over Classic Kingdom and WhateverX any day.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 02:21 amOffline

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My nightmares of playing an action rhythm version of "Swim this Way" are becoming reality.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 02:21 amOffline

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MATGSY

Atlantica is not as bad as Ice Cream Beat or console Sorcery of Symphony (Screw Riku's reality shift in the snow area so damn much!)
Also, you're only now noticing it's a rhythm game?

Well I can't speak for Sorcery of Symphony, but I don't recall having too bad a time with Ice Cream Beat. I had more problems with fruitball and the race lol.

Edit: Thank goodness there is not a KH racing game or I would never be able to beat it. I hate racing!

Sign

June 17, 2020 @ 02:23 amOffline

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The_Echo

Regarding how the story will appear, worlds are marked with cutscene symbols on the world map similar to quests in UX.[ATTACH=full]12719[/ATTACH]


There were a few worlds with the cutscene icon in pretty close proximity. I think they might just be for event stages rather than story cutscenes.

The_Echo

June 17, 2020 @ 02:35 amOffline

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Sign

There were a few worlds with the cutscene icon in pretty close proximity. I think they might just be for event stages rather than story cutscenes.

If you mean the song type, I would imagine that each world has a number of songs available within them. And the gates are opened by collecting stars from clear challenges which suggests a surplus of available challenges. I would imagine the cutscene icon indicates required stages for story progression.
Since there's obviously no story inside the worlds themselves, just songs, it stands to reason that the main story progresses after clearing specific worlds.

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DrShimo

June 17, 2020 @ 02:40 amOffline

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alexis.anagram

What can I say, it's a special kind of vindication to witness how every decision Nomura makes reinforces the criticisms surrounding his handling of the series. KH3 so fundamentally failed at its own explicit objectives that fans are now being baited with a rhythm game for an hour or two of Kairi plot.

But by all means, feast away. I'm not here to unhook anyone, just to laugh at the absurdity of it all. The fans really do always win with this franchise.

I will say that unless the gameplay is atrocious and so long as it plays like Theatrhythm, I’ve been wanting this game for a while since I love that series and I love KH music. The worst side effect I’ve always expected is for there to be a connection to the canon story. What’s the sad part is I worry this will be Nomura’s way of saying he let us play as Kairi twice and move on from her.

Squood!

June 17, 2020 @ 02:51 amOffline

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I'll laugh if the rhythm game premise turns out to be an MGS2 style fakeout.

If not...whatever.

Also, anyone notice something familiar about how the gameplay looks? Feels like I've seen it on a website before, complete with Sora running on what I guess is a music sheet.

alexis.anagram

June 17, 2020 @ 02:59 amOffline

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DrShimo

I will say that unless the gameplay is atrocious and so long as it plays like Theatrhythm, I’ve been wanting this game for a while since I love that series and I love KH music.

No doubt, there's a lot of folks who will be excited for this style of game for the reasons you mentioned, and Nomura himself has talked about his desire to make a KH rhythm game for a while now. It's something I for sure could have appreciated in a different context with the right execution (despite being very bad at rhythm games, lol) but the way it's being done comes across as an exercise in bad faith-- which is, sadly, par for the course with these games by now.

DrShimo
What’s the sad part is I worry this will be Nomura’s way of saying he let us play as Kairi twice and move on from her.

Count on it.

Andriux

June 17, 2020 @ 03:01 amOffline

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I’m not sure about the whole rhythm bit, I’m not exactly into those types of games haha! But the Kairi DLC (or new game) I’m wondering who is she referring to that stopped her from her fate, was it Terranort?

Squood!

June 17, 2020 @ 03:07 amOffline

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Andriux

I’m not sure about the whole rhythm bit, I’m not exactly into those types of games haha! But the Kairi DLC (or new game) I’m wondering who is she referring to that stopped her from her fate, was it Terranort?

Well he was the one who yeeted her to Destiny Islands.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 03:30 amOffline

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Hirokey123

but KH2 and BBS really?

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As for the hooded figure, I think Apprentice Xehanort makes the most sense with Kairi’s dialogue in the scene. It could be satisfying to see her duel him since he was the version of Xehanort that impacted her the most. (Assuming that she is talking to that hooded figure and it isn’t misleading editing.)

Finally, he gets some well deserved love.

darknessofheart

While it may be anti-climatic, I think the coated figure might be apprentice Xehanort. Given that his abduction of Kairi seems key to this story and put everyone on a collision course to be targeted years later on Destiny Islands by his heartless, I can't think of anyone else she would hate more.

She says the figure is either a memory or a phantom, so she seems pretty sure it's no one still alive. While some might think it would be too obvious, they did something similar with Vexen in the "Final Battle" trailer for KH3.

Perhaps Xehanort tampered with Kairi's memory to make her forget everything from her life on Radiant Garden as part of a final plan: maybe he didn't want her to ever realize her true power, which memory can have an effect over. The stars she sees in the final world may be representative of her friends and family from Radiant Garden, all gone because of what Xehanort did.

She might have more reason than anyone to hate this particular form of Xehanort, even more so than Ansem the Wise.

Damn, this is a good summary of things that could come.

Also: RIP MoM's identity being revealed in the KH MoM game. :(

Why are we even discussion the reason we're seeing PS2 assets? This is obviously a quick job
SweetYetSalty

Seeing this makes me wish apprentice Xehanort truly was one of the 13 Seekers of Darkness and be Kairi's foe in KH3

Apprentice Xehanort should have been the main version of Master Xehanort

Zul

The weird thing is that if he didn't lose his memories, he's Terranort, who is MX.

If he did, he's Ansem SoD.

There doesn't appear to be a way to actually fit AX as a separate being into the Seekers.

Assuming memory loss.

Terranort=MX in Terra's Body
AX= MX's amnesiac heart(treating this as a separate identity) in Terra's Body
Ansem SoD= MX Amnesiac heart in no body, then in Riku's body, then in a replica body in KH3.

...I guess it counts since the heart/body combination between AX and ASoD is different?

Apprentice Xehanort became his own thing precisely because he was an amnesiac Terranort. Terranort is Terranort. Meanwhile, Apprentice Xehanort even has his own design that sets him apart from everyone.

Other than that, Ansem SoD pretty much took his place in KH3.
Zul

Makes me wonder what the convo would be if both Xemnas and Ansem showed up to take DiZ to the mansion.

They would both talk at the same time like they did with Sora.

GreyouTT

June 17, 2020 @ 04:23 amOffline

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The_Echo

Regarding how the story will appear, worlds are marked with cutscene symbols on the world map similar to quests in UX.[ATTACH=full]12719[/ATTACH]

I'm interested to see what they use for the RoD (assuming that's what the jarring void on the right is). Like will it be the 0.2 version or the BbS version.

Or is it a curveball where we play DDR against a Tree.

Also it seems like we have some worlds that use the 2D artwork and some that are void portals?

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Swing

June 17, 2020 @ 05:49 amOffline

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Am I the only one that thinks Kairi should have been a playable character for this game? This is the first game that will focus on her backstory, this is the first game where she might play a bigger role, this is the first game where she might be more than just a price for Sora, so why isn't she the star?

They probably have an explanation for this why Sora together with Donald and Goofy are once again the playable main trio, but I really think that this would have been the opportunity to give her a big push as a character. I can't believe that such a key character like her, that has an interesting concept and background, is so underused in the KH series.

Luminary

June 17, 2020 @ 06:29 amOffline

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Swing

Am I the only one that thinks Kairi should have been a playable character for this game? This is the first game that will focus on her backstory, this is the first game where she might play a bigger role, this is the first game where she might be more than just a price for Sora, so why isn't she the star?

They probably have an explanation for this why Sora together with Donald and Goofy are once again the playable main trio, but I really think that this would have been the opportunity to give her a big push as a character. I can't believe that such a key character like her, that has an interesting concept and background, is so underused in the KH series.


I get what you mean, but I think if Kairi was the playable character here, it would have been criticized even more that her first time being the main playable character is in a rehash rhythm game. It’s important to keep in mind that this appears to be a tribute to the series’ music first and foremost. The new main story stuff just seems to be a bit of icing and probably won’t provide as much plot progression as what we expect from a normal KH title.

That said, it can still give Kairi a much needed push in development without her needing to be playable and, in turn, better prepare her to carry her own game/playable scenario.

Sephiroth0812

June 17, 2020 @ 08:34 amOffline

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On a side note, since Kairi is apparently talking about "Fate" in her spoken scene one thing that's bothering me for quite a while as a native German speaker is the whole Fate/Destiny issue.
What's the difference between the two? Do they mean essentially the same? Especially in fictional works those two tend to be very often used interchangeably and in German they are translated mainly into the same word. If so, why have two distinct words for the same thing?

Hirokey123

June 17, 2020 @ 09:06 amOffline

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That translation is exactly what I needed to hear. I said back during KH3 that Kairi being captured and fridged which then results in Sora vanishing to save her sucked but it didn't necessarily have to be bad. That it could in fact be exactly what Kairi needs because Kairi has always been without a true character arc. And after fighting to get strong then promising to protect Sora she utterly failed at that...it's hard to believe that wouldn't have affected her mentally. There was a potential for an extremely interesting arc for Kairi where she has to confront that failure and not just that failure in isolation, but everything that led up to that. The constant being left behind, deprived of experiences, stolen away and used repeatedly by Xehanort and his cronies. And I'm very glad to see that Nomura feels the same way and that is the direction her arc is heading. Where she has to confront both her failure and the man who ruined her destiny.

There are some interesting things from the other lines as well, a world without light or darkness what is that? Also "his final plan" probably refers to Xehanort but what is Xehanort's final plan? Is it possible Xehanort planned to use Kairi as a way to return incase he perished? Maybe not Xehanort specificial but a splinter of him not unlike how Ansem perished but set things up so a shadow of him persisted long after death through Riku. Bonus points if it's a shadow of sorts of specifically Apprentice Xehanort so he can get some screen time.

Violet Pluto

June 17, 2020 @ 10:22 amOffline

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Sephiroth0812

On a side note, since Kairi is apparently talking about "Fate" in her spoken scene one thing that's bothering me for quite a while as a native German speaker is the whole Fate/Destiny issue.
What's the difference between the two? Do they mean essentially the same? Especially in fictional works those two tend to be very often used interchangeably and in German they are translated mainly into the same word. If so, why have two distinct words for the same thing?

Practically the same thing. There are differences as some define fate as something that can't be controlled while destiny is something that has to happen, but usually someone will find their own definition for each if they find them different at all. Personally I see fate as where your path is currently leading you in life and can be changed, while destiny and destination share roots so I see that as the end and while what leads to it might change, it is inevitable.

AdrianXXII

June 17, 2020 @ 10:48 amOffline

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Not really sure how I feel about this game.

Like I'd have been happy with a rhythm game, that's not part of the canon story, even if it's not my thing I'd most likely eventually pick it up. But I feel like combining Kairi's story with this rhythm game makes me less excited than having a seperate rhythm game and Kairi focus game would have.

I loved playing as Kairi in Re:Mind and I was really hoping that the game Nomura teased at would let us get more of that. I'm also a bit annoyed by the fact that the Kairi story centric game will most likely not even let us play as Kairi, or at least not more than we got to play as Riku in Limit Cut's "Episode Riku".

I'm cool with them reusing assets. I'm curious about the gameplay. But I'm not thrilled about them putting the story line I was excited and waiting for in it and making it feel secondary.

That said the Kairi story segments in the Trailer were all hitting the right notes for me. Kairi and Riku doing stuff together, Kairi's character being expanded upon through interactions with other characters, her holding the guy behind her lot responsible & Kairi's backstory being explored and expanded upon, all these where the things of my dreams. If nothing else I might come away from this happy with the story, if not the entire game.

Part of me hopes that while the rhythm game is the main gameplay that the regular KH combat will be the mini game for this one, so we still get some cool fight with Kairi. I'd also really think it cool if you could swap out Sora for other playable MC characters.

SuperSaiyanSora

June 17, 2020 @ 11:05 amOffline

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Sign

Kairi was never experimented on, just kidnapped and ejected into space.


Kid's seen some shit. Hard to believe that nine years later, she'd be a goofy kid trying to build a raft to explore the world.

Ballad of Caius

I don't get why anyone is surprised that they're pairing the Kairi game with a spinoff. Like, this is the same man that turned relevant a PC browser game, turned its mobile port into something a bit different a repurposed its plot as another season.

And like Sign said, Kairi as we know her cannot carry a standalone KH game. Not as you think you know her, but as the writers know her.

This is honestly no surprise. And if you're being a Betty Downer, good, that's okay. But I'm here excited to finally get some more of the most abandoned iteration of Xehanort: Apprentice 'not

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Like Spock said in another thread: Melody = hearts in tune


And that's if Kairi's separate scenario isn't Melody of Memories itself. Nomura made KH0.2 (which is basically a KH3 demo) and put it in 2.8 along with Back Cover because Square couldn't justify shipping out DDD on its own for PS4. There's a precedence for this now, so it's free real estate.

Plus yeah, Kairi on her own, with the character she has, won't get a full game yet. Melody of Memories probably will set the bar for that, and I don't exactly get why people are writing it off as this being the one-and-done Kairi game when they're putting THIS much effort into Kairi's backstory. She's been saying how she regrets being weak (I CALLED IT!) and now she's being proactive, so I really doubt Kairi's just gonna be on the sidelines again after all of this. There'd be no point.

Oracle Spockanort

Idk Nomura is a wild man. I can easily imagine an short action combat game ala 0.2’s length within a rhythm game.


That's all they'd really need to do. After all, the assets are there. We wondered why Square bothered to even make Merlin's House in ReMind, but maybe this is why. Limit Cut even had a newly done Radiant Garden theme, and the only thing you could do is talk to four NPCs and go to a computer.

Data Greeting too, they made Radiant Garden as a location, as well as Destiny Islands and the rooftop of the 104 building in Shibuya.

Also, I think Nomura said he wanted to add a world into ReMind, but held back and decided to wait until the next game. Well... What if this is it? There's so much potential to this game that we don't know about.

Hirokey123

Throwing it out there but earlier it was said Kairi wasn't experimented on, but that's not necessarily true. Read Xehanort's experiment lists he was planning. One of them is him going to test and see if you can create darkness in a pure heart of light. Unless Xehanort had some OTHER pure heart of light at his disposal I think it's pretty safe to say he probably used Kairi in that experiment.

Anyway what a confusing mish mash...why would Kairi even have those Sora memories inside her? Like you want to stretch KH1, CoM, and Days I can see it...but KH2 and BBS really?


That's what I'm confused about too, because BBS you could argue that Ven's heart being inside Sora during KH1 and Kairi's heart also being inside Sora, there could be a memory crossover of sorts. But that's a really big stretch. KH2 is straight up weird because Kairi had her heart freed from Sora for at least a year by this point, so Sora's memories of his KH2 journey shouldn't be accessible to her.

...Unless, this is also where Namine comes into play, and she somehow is allowing Kairi to trace the threads in order to find Sora.

KeybladeLordSora

I mean, he ain't the first to do it.

Persona did it before him.


Persona 4 Golden, in particular, has its story mode as canon. Same with Persona 4 Arena and Ultimax. This is a new frontier for Kingdom Hearts, but it's been done in other franchises.

Hirokey123

There are some interesting things from the other lines as well, a world without light or darkness what is that? Also "his final plan" probably refers to Xehanort but what is Xehanort's final plan? Is it possible Xehanort planned to use Kairi as a way to return incase he perished? Maybe not Xehanort specificial but a splinter of him not unlike how Ansem perished but set things up so a shadow of him persisted long after death through Riku. Bonus points if it's a shadow of sorts of specifically Apprentice Xehanort so he can get some screen time.


Actually, that reminds me of what Terra said in his Character File.

"It was dark. There was nothing but darkness. No, not even darkness... it was just nothing.

If the place Aqua fell was the Realm of Darkness, then where had I been? Had I even existed? Surely I… well, I probably had. I just have no idea where. I did exist as the being behind Xehanort, but my sense of self—my heart—was sealed away. My heart was somewhere in this realm. Perhaps it was a Realm of "Nothing," devoid of even darkness.

A realm without light or dark. Darkness cannot exist without light, nor light without darkness. That's what that place was like. I wasn't asleep like Ven. It wasn't the Realm of Sleep—or a dream—it was a realm that existed in “nothing.” And so, pain, sadness, and hatred all became an onslaught to oblivion. I was writhing in pain in the middle of it.

Perhaps that place is something like the realm of the Unversed. A void that swallows all, even sadness and pain. A realm where hope and joy never existed to begin with.

But despite their similarities, a void is not darkness. Nothing is born from it. And so in that world, I could do nothing but endure. I could no longer remember my actions, which had manifested in a lingering will. Well, maybe that proves that I wasn’t just waiting. I was believing, holding on to a promise."


Maybe there was more to what Terra was saying. According him, he pretty much was as good as dead.

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June 17, 2020 @ 11:10 amOffline

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Hirokey123

There are some interesting things from the other lines as well, a world without light or darkness what is that? Also "his final plan" probably refers to Xehanort but what is Xehanort's final plan? Is it possible Xehanort planned to use Kairi as a way to return incase he perished? Maybe not Xehanort specificial but a splinter of him not unlike how Ansem perished but set things up so a shadow of him persisted long after death through Riku. Bonus points if it's a shadow of sorts of specifically Apprentice Xehanort so he can get some screen time.

That's a cool idea. Another possibility is it could maybe be a Data version of Xehanort the Apprentice Xehanort had placed in Kairi's heart bearing data like Ansem's Code in Sora's heart.

The_Echo

June 17, 2020 @ 11:13 amOffline

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Here are my thoughts regarding Kairi's story being in a rhythm game:
- This story likely isn't beefy enough to fill a 30+ hour RPG
- This would be another game based entirely around revisiting worlds from previous games, something the fanbase is surely sick of
- The workload for such a game is unreasonable given the aforementioned minor narrative
- If this story was combined with something else, it'd wind up just being B-plot and would result in even more whining from the fanbase because Kairi isn't getting the spotlight
I get the frustration, but I also do not see a way to deliver this story and have it be THE story of the game without angering fans in some other way.

Swing

Am I the only one that thinks Kairi should have been a playable character for this game? This is the first game that will focus on her backstory, this is the first game where she might play a bigger role, this is the first game where she might be more than just a price for Sora, so why isn't she the star?

They probably have an explanation for this why Sora together with Donald and Goofy are once again the playable main trio, but I really think that this would have been the opportunity to give her a big push as a character. I can't believe that such a key character like her, that has an interesting concept and background, is so underused in the KH series.

It'll be like Theathrythm: multiple "playable" characters you can swap in and out of the party
In reality it won't really change how the game is played. They might have special skills if there are RPG mechanics like in Theatrhythm, but ultimately the gameplay will be unchanged regardless of your party.

AdrianXXII

June 17, 2020 @ 11:13 amOffline

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Dast

That's a cool idea. Another possibility is it could maybe be a Data version of Xehanort the Apprentice Xehanort had placed in Kairi's heart bearing data like Ansem's Code in Sora's heart.

That could work, especially seeing KH3 strongly implied Apprentice Xehanort was doing research on memories, he obviously had Kairi and could have planted something as another backup plan.

SweetYetSalty

Think we'll get a novel of Melody of Memories at some point?

I'd be surprised if it didn't, i mean even CHI got a mini novel.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 11:24 amOffline

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The only thing that can bother me a bit is if this game doesn't have a Kairi own scenario, even if briefly, or a follow up with her.

People are taking it like this is some horrible direction for the KH franchise to go. It seems like a fun game and I picture having a lot of fun with the online mode. And it isn't like the rest of the series will go into that direction, we will get an action RPG eventually in 2021/22 as expected.

AdrianXXII

June 17, 2020 @ 12:53 pmOffline

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Henryp

The only thing that can bother me a bit is if this game doesn't have a Kairi own scenario, even if briefly, or a follow up with her.

People are taking it like this is some horrible direction for the KH franchise to go. It seems like a fun game and I picture having a lot of fun with the online mode. And it isn't like the rest of the series will go into that direction, we will get an action RPG eventually in 2021/22 as expected.

Honestly this kind of feels like the "Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee" of Kingdom Hearts: an attempt at doing something different with familair settings, that won't ultimately change the course of the main line (other than story)

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 01:08 pmOffline

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AdrianXXII

Honestly this kind of feels like the "Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee" of Kingdom Hearts: an attempt at doing something different with familair settings, that won't ultimately change the course of the main line (other than story)


Yeah, most probably! And even the story stuff, I'm starting to get the feeling that it will be just a couple of Kairi scenes in the beggining and the end, with the flashbacks in the middle, to set up a future game with her, Riku and Sora.

AdrianXXII

June 17, 2020 @ 01:33 pmOffline

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Henryp

Yeah, most probably! And even the story stuff, I'm starting to get the feeling that it will be just a couple of Kairi scenes in the beggining and the end, with the flashbacks in the middle, to set up a future game with her, Riku and Sora.

I hope you're right and this is just the "what did Kairi do in the year of the timeskip" game and the game teased at in Limit cut will feature all three of the Destiny Trio.

Personally i think we'll be drop fed flashbacks every few "mission" and have a backloaded ending that'll try and make sense of it all, cuz that's the Kingdom Hearts way

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 01:37 pmOffline

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Hirokey123

Also "his final plan" probably refers to Xehanort but what is Xehanort's final plan?

If this is Apprentice Xehanort before he remembered his past, then it's possible it's an entirely different plan.

Hirokey123

Is it possible Xehanort planned to use Kairi as a way to return incase he perished? Maybe not Xehanort specificial but a splinter of him not unlike how Ansem perished but set things up so a shadow of him persisted long after death through Riku.

Maybe. Maybe Xehanort had seeded Kairi.

Hirokey123

Bonus points if it's a shadow of sorts of specifically Apprentice Xehanort so he can get some screen time.

This makes sense. This could be what Kairi confronts in the Final World: a shadow of Apprentice Xehanort, hooded.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 01:49 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius




Maybe. Maybe Xehanort had seeded Kairi.




So he had 14 vessels? Well sixteen if you count Vexen and Demyx. This feels a little too convoluted when two of the Seekers of Darkness never died, therefore a piece of his heart should already still exist in the world. Still this is Xehanort and we know how greedy he is for vessels.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 01:59 pmOffline

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Maybe. Maybe Xehanort had seeded Kairi.



This sounds so wrong on so many levels. I think we are reading too much into it. Xehanort wanted Kairi as a safeplan if he needed the 7 princesses after all. I don't think any Xehanort incarnation will play a high role coming up, it is more like bridging the two eras together. Kairi's problems with AX has been hinted in practically every game she has been in, so I think this might give her conclusion on that and start what could potentially be her arc in the following games.

Absent

June 17, 2020 @ 02:07 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

June 17, 2020 @ 02:57 pmOffline

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I'm still bothered by the idea that Kairi really doesn't remember anything from her childhood at Radiant Garden, because the one scene from KH1 when it's brought up heavily implied she was lying. If they go the route that she's deliberately repressing those memories, that's fine and would give her that extra bit of agency by realizing she can't continue keeping down those horrible memories she chose to lock away and needs to face the trauma she experienced as a child head on. The decision to re-experience those memories, despite knowing what she's in for from the very start, over finding out later.

Ballad of Caius
Maybe. Maybe Xehanort had seeded Kairi.

Luminary

June 17, 2020 @ 03:08 pmOffline

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If so, why have two distinct words for the same thing?


Welcome to the English language. Lol

Destiny and fate can mostly be used interchangeably as synonyms, but they can have slightly different connotations and interpretations. For my personal interpretation, I compare them to a river. Fate is the water that carries you down the river while destiny is the path of the river and where it leads. So fate is a cosmic force influencing life’s journey while destiny is the actual journey that lies ahead of you. Destiny can be determined by you by making active choices, but otherwise, fate will determine where you end up.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 04:48 pmOffline

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You know Kairi sure has it tough with these Xehanort's. Apprentice Xehanort took her and kicked her off to space. Terranort, a younger version of him, tried to murder her at the Keyblade Graveyard. Xemnas took Kairi and brought her to old man Xehanort. And the old coot himself actually did murder her in cold blood. Honestly Kairi has some major beef with this dude and it's kinda not even addressed. This game could be the remedy to that. The hooded figure has to be Apprentice Xehanort for Kairi's fight.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 04:51 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

You know Kairi sure has it tough with these Xehanort's. Apprentice Xehanort took her and kicked her off to space. Terranort, a younger version of him, tried to murder her at the Keyblade Graveyard. Xemnas took Kairi and brought her to old man Xehanort. And the old coot himself actually did murder her in cold blood. Honestly Kairi has some major beef with this dude and it's kinda not even addressed. This game could be the remedy to that. The hooded figure has to be Apprentice Xehanort for Kairi's fight.

Yep:
* Apprentice Xehanort cursed her home world and I imagine he's related to whatever happened to her grandmother

* Ansem SoD pretty much corrupted her friend and once again left her without a home and separated her from her loved ones

* Xemnas has kidnapped her, like, twice?

* Master Xehanort finished her off

Wow, Kairi really has been a victim of Xehanort's. I think Melody of Memory has room to better her character arc and actually make her more appealing as a lead character in games to come.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 05:02 pmOffline

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I wonder if it would be awkward for Kairi to interact directly with Terra? It could make for a interesting side story if they don't just ignore it like they did with Riku/Roxas in KH3.

LightUpTheSky452

June 17, 2020 @ 05:09 pmOffline

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I--one of the biggest Kairi fans in the world--is beyond happy about this "Kairi game", of course. Especially since we're finally dealing with Apprentice Xehanort kidnapping Kairi and throwing her out into space... as I've wanted to see that for eighteen years, and something I always thought could make a potential Kairi game great if they showed it. So I'm sooooooooooooooooooo glad it's finally here. Especially since I was going to throw hands, if we saw this kind of stuff with Subject X, but not Kairi still.

I kind of think making "Kairi's game" a rhythm game was a mistake, though. Because if Square was worried people wouldn't play a Kairi game... why not keep it with the usual gameplay and new Disney worlds that people already love, instead of risking something new? Though I'm sure they're (maybe faultily) counting on you being able to play as Sora in this, and a number of other characters, being able to "save it". But IDK. I think the rhythm game might throw people off, more than they think. Though I hope not.

And man, do I hope this game sells well... so that Square Enix might try to do even more with Kairi in the future... and give her a proper game. But this is a great start, and I'm happy. It's definitely more than we've ever gotten for her. And for the longest time, we doubted we'd even get this... or anything.

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 05:14 pmOffline

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LightUpTheSky452

And man, do I hope this game sells well... so that Square Enix might try to do even more with Switch in the future...

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Squood!

June 17, 2020 @ 05:25 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

I wonder if it would be awkward for Kairi to interact directly with Terra? It could make for a interesting side story if they don't just ignore it like they did with Riku/Roxas in KH3.

Well if Kairi knows the details about how Apprentice Xehanort/Terranort was created, it prolly wouldn't be all that awkward since she'd know Terra wasn't the one doing them bad deeds.

And regarding Roxas, it's odd how people consider him the mature one, yet also want him to be angry at Riku all the time as if Riku's the one who orchestrated 358/2, even though the one time they interacted without Riku being hooded was during the time when Roxas wasn't in his right mind, thinking that what Xion wanted was for him to run into Org headquarters, take on the final members all by himself, try and make contact with the big ol' heart moon as if it'll bring her back, then find Sora and probably kill him.

Roxas has more reason to be mad at DiZ than Riku.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 05:33 pmOffline

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Well if Kairi knows the details about how Apprentice Xehanort/Terranort was created, it prolly wouldn't be all that awkward since she'd know Terra wasn't the one doing them bad deeds.

And regarding Roxas, it's odd how people consider him the mature one, yet also want him to be angry at Riku all the time as if Riku's the one who orchestrated 358/2, even though the one time they interacted without Riku being hooded was during the time when Roxas wasn't in his right mind, thinking that what Xion wanted was for him to run into Org headquarters, take on the final members all by himself, try and make contact with the big ol' heart moon as if it'll bring her back, then find Sora and probably kill him.

Roxas has more reason to be mad at DiZ than Riku.

True on both. With Kairi and Terra it wouldn't be she blames Terra, more that he resembles the man who took her.

As for Riku and Roxas, I certainly don't want Roxas to be angry at Riku. But it would have been cool to see them have a proper reintroduction since their fight. And it's funny because before KH3 I always saw Roxas as the immature one, it was reasonable though lol.

Hirokey123

June 17, 2020 @ 05:44 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

I'm still bothered by the idea that Kairi really doesn't remember anything from her childhood at Radiant Garden, because the one scene from KH1 when it's brought up heavily implied she was lying. If they go the route that she's deliberately repressing those memories, that's fine and would give her that extra bit of agency by realizing she can't continue keeping down those horrible memories she chose to lock away and needs to face the trauma she experienced as a child head on. The decision to re-experience those memories, despite knowing what she's in for from the very start, over finding out later.



She did lie, she said she remembered nothing but it turned out she retained the memory of her grandmother telling her a story in the castle. However she still is missing most of her memory it's just she has more fragments than she was willing to let on. It's pretty clear her memory loss was more a result of trauma than anything magical, and what we are seeing now is Kairi facing that trauma.

rokudamia2

June 17, 2020 @ 05:48 pmOffline

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Curious do we know if only Sora and Riku are playable?

Squood!

June 17, 2020 @ 05:51 pmOffline

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rokudamia2

Curious do we know if only Sora and Riku are playable?

Multiple characters are playable.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 05:58 pmOffline

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rokudamia2

Curious do we know if only Sora and Riku are playable?

More like "Sora" and "Riku"

ElysionRose

June 17, 2020 @ 07:27 pmOffline

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I honestly have no idea what to say about this, except for the fact nomura is terrible at pacing his stories...

So how is he going to handle a rhythm game, when the whole point of the game is to have good pacing?

MATGSY

June 17, 2020 @ 07:28 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Multiple characters are playable.

Yeah, like technically Donald, Goofy, & Herc are "playable" because they react to the player's inputs.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 07:32 pmOffline

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Looking back at the trailer again, my fears of this being *the* Kairi game instead of DDD v2 are becoming more solid, if they find their way to Sora in this game then I'm afraid Kairi's role might be diminished going forward.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 07:41 pmOffline

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MATGSY

Yeah, like technically Donald, Goofy, & Herc are "playable" because they react to the player's inputs.

Technically not even "Sora" is playable in this argument.

SuperNova

Looking back at the trailer again, my fears of this being *the* Kairi game instead of DDD v2 are becoming more solid, if they find their way to Sora in this game then I'm afraid Kairi's role might be diminished going forward.

I mean, for all we know, Melody of Memory could end with them finding where Sora is, but DDD Vol.2 is all about trying to get to where Sora is, thus a Kairi/Riku game.

Violet Pluto

June 17, 2020 @ 07:49 pmOffline

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ElysionRose

I honestly have no idea what to say about this, except for the fact nomura is terrible at pacing his stories...

So how is he going to handle a rhythm game, when the whole point of the game is to have good pacing?

I wouldn't say that he is horrible at pacing his stories. I would say that instead it's like he keeps choosing to make games that don't lend themselves well to his style. KHIII was paced the way it was for the benefit of level design, which isn't the first or probably even the last time it will happen for that reason. I do think that the stories could be better paced, but I also don't have any complaints that are consistent over the entire franchise as some games are much better paced than others.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 07:54 pmOffline

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Violet Pluto

KHIII was paced the way it was for the benefit of level design,

I'm on the boat that thinks that Kingdom Hearts III actually lost more than a year of dev time, maybe even two years, and the reason all the original content felt so... botched, is because of lost time. So there's also that to take into consideration.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 07:57 pmOffline

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SuperNova

Looking back at the trailer again, my fears of this being *the* Kairi game instead of DDD v2 are becoming more solid, if they find their way to Sora in this game then I'm afraid Kairi's role might be diminished going forward.


You see, I'm starting to picture (even tho is only speculation) that this might not be the Kairi game. Maybe I'm giving too much credit to Nomura, but seeing the scenes either takes place in RG and Final World (at least for now), I can see it being very very little storyline content, as a move to showcase Kairi's bigger role outside Sora, keep some bait for lore fans and at the same time not making it such a big deal in the grand scheme. Maybe this will only lead into the actual game with playable Kairi and Riku, finishing this game with Riku reaching Kairi and both of them finding the way to go after Sora.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 08:00 pmOffline

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Why are we even assuming that Kairi will get a proper game? I'm just betting that Melody of Memory has a "A Fragmentary Passage" ish game with playable Kairi that will serve as a demo for DDD Vol2.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 08:03 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Why are we even assuming that Kairi will get a proper game? I'm just betting that Melody of Memory has a "A Fragmentary Passage" ish game with playable Kairi that will serve as a demo for DDD Vol2.


I don't think Kairi will get a proper, solo game like Roxas did. I am assuming Kairi will get, eventually, a playable scenario before KHIV because of what Nomura said about the title screen and because she was really refined in ReMind. Yesterday I was hoping it was going to be something like you say. However, thinking about it, I see it more pausible that MoM will only be cutscenes leading to a multi-scenario game, maybe having Riku, Kairi and Sora all in the same game.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 08:23 pmOffline

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If anything maybe DDDv2 is a Destiny Trio game instead of a duo game, this is pure speculation, but it would be a good chance to give the main trio some sorely needed development. At least that's what I hope for.

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Henryp

June 17, 2020 @ 08:39 pmOffline

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One thing we can say for sure now is that devs are learning from their mistakes. No more platform exclusive games always jumping between consoles. Guess this game will be like KH3 was for XBOX. If it sells well, I can see at least "The Story So Far" landing on switch. Hope they keep doing this at least for PS/Xbox, which already have the entire series.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 08:49 pmOffline

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Speaking of cross gen, give some love to them pc gamers :v

*TwilightNight*

June 17, 2020 @ 09:45 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora
And regarding Roxas, it's odd how people consider him the mature one- .


Who in their goddamn mind considers Roxas the "mature" one? Lol.

Based on his personality though, he wouldn't be accepting or forgiving with both Riku and Isa that easily. The ending was saccharine and shallow because we don't know how any of the characters got to that point.

Ballad of Caius

June 17, 2020 @ 09:48 pmOffline

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I think it's because of his personality. He contrasts a lot with Sora and Ventus.

SuperNova

June 17, 2020 @ 10:13 pmOffline

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I wouldn't consider Roxas more mature than Ven or Sora. What he lacks in optimism and bubbliness, he makes up for in emotional angry outbursts. Of course those outbursts are justified considering his origin and backstory, but in my opinion he is just as emotional and volatile as his "brothers." He's just quieter and more introspective.

Xblade13

June 17, 2020 @ 10:13 pmOffline

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I think it's because of his personality. He contrasts a lot with Sora and Ventus.

Yeah, but the truth is most Kingdom Hearts gamers were in their teens when KH2 came out, and thus felt a lot more from Roxas because he exemplified that teen angst emo anger vibe that so many have at that age.

Days disappointed a lot of people because it portrayed him in a much more "baby learning the world" light, taking away from that same angry teenager against the world feeling from the KH2 prologue.

The truth is that teenage angst is also an immaturity in and of itself, but some people never actually grow out of it, never becoming "adults" and instead thinking that the teenage angst is somehow what being more mature is.

The actual mature character in this series is Riku, who got over that teenage emo thought process and accepting being a leader, an adult in charge so to speak. But some people don't like that he gave up the focus on darkness. Basically a similar group of people who fangasm over Sasuke in Naruto.

If you really think about it, the entirety of KH2 was an emo kid's wet dream. Roxas had that teenage angst, Riku was going through a phase where he tried to hide away himself from everything, the entire Organization are anime trope emo people without hearts and emotion.

That's just my thoughts on it, though I'm sure some might get angry at me about it.

Absent

June 17, 2020 @ 10:38 pmOffline

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Like someone else mentioned there’s a difference between fanon and canon interpretations. For some reason Roxas became the broody emo counterpart to Ven’s cheerful persona when in reality Roxas expresses many positive emotions throughout Days and 2.
He gets excited about little things like he does in Wonderland and Neverland, and gets pouty and childish multiple times. Yet despite the range he expresses, people have Roxas locked to his KH2 intro and his suffering identity.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 10:49 pmOffline

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There's also his super edgy dual wielding boss and appearance that adds to it. But those angry teen thing is one of the things that turned me off to KH2 Roxas. I always liked him better when he was with his friends or like Absent said, in places like Neverland, Wonderland, and even Beast Castle and Agrabah. It's rarely brought up that his KH2 persona was a fake identity created by DiZ.

ElysionRose

June 17, 2020 @ 11:03 pmOffline

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Violet Pluto

I wouldn't say that he is horrible at pacing his stories. I would say that instead it's like he keeps choosing to make games that don't lend themselves well to his style. KHIII was paced the way it was for the benefit of level design, which isn't the first or probably even the last time it will happen for that reason. I do think that the stories could be better paced, but I also don't have any complaints that are consistent over the entire franchise as some games are much better paced than others.

I mean I was mainly taking a jab at Kingdom hearts 3, it was also kind of a joke.

Interesting way to defend the pacing in kh3 though, first I've heard of it kind of makes sense from a design perspective.

FudgemintGuardian

June 17, 2020 @ 11:22 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

I'm on the boat that thinks that Kingdom Hearts III actually lost more than a year of dev time, maybe even two years, and the reason all the original content felt so... botched, is because of lost time. So there's also that to take into consideration.
I'm on the same boat. A year of lost time and another year to recover from that. And why Dark Road and Melody of Memory are Dark Seeker-focused games despite that saga allegedly ending in KH3. Xehanort and Apprenticenort's backstories were very likely intended to get much more focus than was given, which would explain why Ansem's scene were so random and like there were big gaps of story in-between.

It's why I believe there will be a game (or maybe even a Disney+ series~) for every group. Each game focusing on plot lines that were meant to be in KH3 or get more development in.

Roxas and Xion's memories getting looked at by Namine. Mickey, Donald, and Goofy going to worlds Sora's has previously visited. Terra, Ven, and Aqua traversing the Realm of Darkness. All of these would be reusing assets for practically everything and would make for easy development. Dark Road has gone the UX route, and Melody of Memory is using the old style + UR4 stuff they've used in KH3 and Re:Mind. With Apprentice Xehanort and the lif-UHGLUGHBULGH... And the Ark being the only new UR4 assets we've seen so far. Kairi's Grandma might get a sexy new model too, but MoM will probably be 90% previous stuff. And that is set to release this year. Not even a full year after Re:Mind, so we could get one or two games next year as well.

Violet Pluto

June 17, 2020 @ 11:22 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

There's also his super edgy dual wielding boss and appearance that adds to it. But those angry teen thing is one of the things that turned me off to KH2 Roxas. I always liked him better when he was with his friends or like Absent said, in places like Neverland, Wonderland, and even Beast Castle and Agrabah. It's rarely brought up that his KH2 persona was a fake identity created by DiZ.

...Huh? Did I miss something? I mean it was a fake identity, but it was still Roxas. DiZ didn't seem to have messed with who he was, just jumbled his memories when he put him in the Data Town. Also "KH2 Roxas" really wasn't edgy outside of the understandable problems with DiZ and his identity. For me personally I thought 358 was way edgier but that's opinion for you.

SweetYetSalty

June 17, 2020 @ 11:34 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

I'm on the same boat. A year of lost time and another year to recover from that. And why Dark Road and Melody of Memory are Dark Seeker-focused games despite that saga allegedly ending in KH3. Xehanort and Apprenticenort's backstories were very likely intended to get much more focus than was given, which would explain why Ansem's scene were so random and like there were big gaps of story in-between.

It's why I believe there will be a game (or maybe even a Disney+ series~) for every group. Each game focusing on plot lines that were meant to be in KH3 or get more development in.

Roxas and Xion's memories getting looked at by Namine. Mickey, Donald, and Goofy going to worlds Sora's has previously visited. Terra, Ven, and Aqua traversing the Realm of Darkness. All of these would be reusing assets for practically everything and would make for easy development. Dark Road has gone the UX route, and Melody of Memory is using the old style + UR4 stuff they've used in KH3 and Re:Mind. With Apprentice Xehanort and the lif-UHGLUGHBULGH... And the Ark being the only new UR4 assets we've seen so far. Kairi's Grandma might get a sexy new model too, but MoM will probably be 90% previous stuff. And that is set to release this year. Not even a full year after Re:Mind, so we could get one or two games next year as well.

If that's true, do you think Vor and the others might have been mentioned in KH3 if the Xehanort game came before it? And do you think Apprenticenort (lol) could have been a seeker?

Violet Pluto

...Huh? Did I miss something? I mean it was a fake identity, but it was still Roxas. DiZ didn't seem to have messed with who he was, just jumbled his memories when he put him in the Data Town. Also "KH2 Roxas" really wasn't edgy outside of the understandable problems with DiZ and his identity. For me personally I thought 358 was way edgier but that's opinion for you.

Roxas was more human in the data Twilight Town then he normally was. He acted more like a citizen who knew basic stuff oppose to learning humanity. With messed up memories it would be easy to program him. Yes, many of his elements stayed but it was mixed in with the programming of TT citizen life, something he didn't have before.

MATGSY

June 18, 2020 @ 12:13 amOffline

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The Just a Pancake video for this game will be spectacular.

redcrown

June 18, 2020 @ 12:38 amOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Why are we even assuming that Kairi will get a proper game? I'm just betting that Melody of Memory has a "A Fragmentary Passage" ish game with playable Kairi that will serve as a demo for DDD Vol2.


Don't get my hopes up that it's only a prologue and not a full game.
And no that wasn't a typo.

MATGSY

June 18, 2020 @ 12:49 amOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Why are we even assuming that Kairi will get a proper game? I'm just betting that Melody of Memory has a "A Fragmentary Passage" ish game with playable Kairi that will serve as a demo for DDD Vol2.

The problem is there would be a noticeable difference in the graphics for cutscenes & gameplay due to the Switch version, which doesn't strike me as likely. Chances are, if Kairi's "Playable", it'll be her taking Sora's spot in the later songs.

Cumguardian69

June 18, 2020 @ 12:56 amOffline

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Anyone else feel like this "expl0ring kairi backstory" is supposed to be part of REMIND?

FudgemintGuardian

June 18, 2020 @ 12:56 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

If that's true, do you think Vor and the others might have been mentioned in KH3 if the Xehanort game came before it? And do you think Apprenticenort (lol) could have been a seeker?
I think so. At the very least in the past Scala scenes, which might have had more initially and not just the chess game.

For Apprenticenort, I say no as Ansem SoD is him, just sexier.

MATGSY

The Just a Pancake video for this game will be spectacular.
Kairi slept for a whole year because Ienzo got distracted playing Theatrhythm.

*TwilightNight*

June 18, 2020 @ 01:28 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty
Roxas was more human in the data Twilight Town then he normally was. He acted more like a citizen who knew basic stuff oppose to learning humanity. With messed up memories it would be easy to program him. Yes, many of his elements stayed but it was mixed in with the programming of TT citizen life, something he didn't have before.


That's not a personality change. That was just himself, but in normal circumstances. And in every other game he's appeared in he has his KHII personality on lock. Personally, I'm glad the whole juvenile, wide eyed baby shtick is over. I don't need the infantilazation of a character.



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Anyway, I do think Roxas is mature in comparison to Sora, for sure, and while Ven has his serious moments, he still has the whole childlike purity. Roxas has gone through too much to have that sort of innocence. So maybe I understand now the idea that he's "mature". It's just only in comparison to more seemingly immature characters than him though.

drew0512

June 18, 2020 @ 01:52 amOffline

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On a side note, since Kairi is apparently talking about "Fate" in her spoken scene one thing that's bothering me for quite a while as a native German speaker is the whole Fate/Destiny issue.
What's the difference between the two? Do they mean essentially the same? Especially in fictional works those two tend to be very often used interchangeably and in German they are translated mainly into the same word. If so, why have two distinct words for the same thing?

Fate refers to something that you can't predict, change and even comprehend. In the greek mythology, it is determined by the Moirai and the gods, not even Zeus, can change nor influence it (the Parcae and the Norns have the same role in the roman and the norse mythologies, respectively). Destiny (which gained importance in ancient Rome) puts the focus on humans and, as it pertains to human characteristics, can be changed by your own actions.

They are pretty much used interchangeably today, but you can see the difference from time to time.

Ballad of Caius

June 18, 2020 @ 02:20 amOffline

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redcrown

Don't get my hopes up that it's only a prologue and not a full game.
And no that wasn't a typo.

It's possible. Melody of Memory is the full game, while it features an hour to three hour scenario with playable Kairi.

MATGSY

The problem is there would be a noticeable difference in the graphics for cutscenes & gameplay due to the Switch version,

It's not like they have to make the next KH game accessible for Switch.

MATGSY

if Kairi's "Playable", it'll be her taking Sora's spot in the later songs.

By playable I meant akin to her inclusion in Re:MIND. A different gameplay style from MoM's. I sincerely doubt that her confrontation with Apprentice Xehanort is gonna be Melody gameplay.

Or rather... I refuse to believe we're gonna fight Apprentice Nort using THAT gameplay... ;~;

FudgemintGuardian

Kairi slept for a whole year because Ienzo got distracted playing Theatrhythm.

I'm having mental pictures of Ienzo telling Master Ansem how weird it is that they have to play a rhythm game to access Sora's memories lol

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 02:36 amOffline

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For Apprenticenort, I say no as Ansem SoD is him, just sexier.


I wanna debate the sexier part...but can't.

Ballad of Caius

It's possible. Melody of Memory is the full game, while it features an hour to three hour scenario with playable Kairi.


It's not like they have to make the next KH game accessible for Switch.


By playable I meant akin to her inclusion in Re:MIND. A different gameplay style from MoM's. I sincerely doubt that her confrontation with Apprentice Xehanort is gonna be Melody gameplay.

Or rather... I refuse to believe we're gonna fight Apprentice Nort using THAT gameplay... ;~;


I'm having mental pictures of Ienzo telling Master Ansem how weird it is that they have to play a rhythm game to access Sora's memories lol

Why wouldn't Kairi's confrontation be Melody based? If that's how the game is played it would be odd to have that one fight not be rhythm. It would be like COM suddenly doing away with the cards when fighting Marluxia. It's the style of the game. So prepare for Kairi to battle Apprentice Xehanort in a shower of musical notes and become the second coming of 'Ursula's Revenge' how can that not excite you?

MATGSY

June 18, 2020 @ 03:01 amOffline

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It's not like they have to make the next KH game accessible for Switch.

Surefire way to disappoint me there.




By playable I meant akin to her inclusion in Re:MIND. A different gameplay style from MoM's. I sincerely doubt that her confrontation with Apprentice Xehanort is gonna be Melody gameplay.

Or rather... I refuse to believe we're gonna fight Apprentice Nort using THAT gameplay... ;~;


That's like thinking the Org members in CoM shouldn't obey the rules of the cards and just fight normally. Or the Foretellers shouldn't bother with turn-based battles. Rhythm is how MoM is played and there's no inherent reason to assume otherwise. Especially since the trailer showed how boss battles work with the Xemnas part.

SuperNova

June 18, 2020 @ 03:15 amOffline

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While KH on the Switch is something I've wanted for a long time, and I'm not really against them reusing PS2 graphics because I'm really used to the older engine. But if it's easier for the developers to stick to PS/Xbox then I would prefer they stick to a system they are comfortable with. (I still want DDDv2 on Switch though.)

Katsagu

June 18, 2020 @ 09:20 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

And why Dark Road and Melody of Memory are Dark Seeker-focused games despite that saga allegedly ending in KH3.


This is what's kind of worrying me. I really wanted to move on from xehanort after KH3. But so far, we're still stuck with Xehanort and his shenanigans. No foretellers, no yozora , no Luxu's box. I really hope they move on.

The fact the trailer even aludes to a "Final Plan" by xehanort is just...ugh.

AdrianXXII

June 18, 2020 @ 09:33 amOffline

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Katsagu

This is what's kind of worrying me. I really wanted to move on from xehanort after KH3. But so far, we're still stuck with Xehanort and his shenanigans. No foretellers, no yozora , no Luxu's box. I really hope they move on.

The fact the trailer even aludes to a "Final Plan" by xehanort is just...ugh.

I think that's because the Xehanort Saga failed to wrap up all the remaining loose ends, these stories were still kinda missing.

I wish they had included Kairi in DDD and had tackeled her past there. It would have given her more of a drive and personal stake in the war.

That said I'd be really surprised, if Kairi's past didn't tie into the Master of Masters plans. He seemed to want what happened to her to happen. He made sure that there was no projection of her world and her in the Age of Fairy tales.
He created the pod that Xehanort put her into in the trailer. I'd be surprised, if there truely were no connections.

I also feel like what she'll learn will somehow tie into DR and UX, maybe via grandma. And seeing she's in the final world i imagine she'd meet Not Stella.

So while it does still involve Xehanort i imagine it'll push forward the Foreteller arc.

The_Echo

June 18, 2020 @ 09:52 amOffline

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Katsagu

This is what's kind of worrying me. I really wanted to move on from xehanort after KH3. But so far, we're still stuck with Xehanort and his shenanigans. No foretellers, no yozora , no Luxu's box. I really hope they move on.

The fact the trailer even aludes to a "Final Plan" by xehanort is just...ugh.

Expecting Xehanort to just completely disappear from the storyline after KHIII was a bit foolish.
All that really ended was Xehanort's role as the main antagonist.
At any rate, it's high time we got some answers about the 10-year gap between BbS and KH1. Even before KHIII introduced Subject X, that was a pretty important part of the lore that went almost completely ignored for the entire series.

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June 18, 2020 @ 09:59 amOffline

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Absent

Like someone else mentioned there’s a difference between fanon and canon interpretations. For some reason Roxas became the broody emo counterpart to Ven’s cheerful persona when in reality Roxas expresses many positive emotions throughout Days and 2.
He gets excited about little things like he does in Wonderland and Neverland, and gets pouty and childish multiple times. Yet despite the range he expresses, people have Roxas locked to his KH2 intro and his suffering identity.

As someone who's only experienced Days through the HD cutscenes, that light-hearted side of Roxas unfortunately didn't come through (it's possible it's there somewhere but I found the whole thing a slog to watch so can't remember a lot), so I remember the broody emo bits in 2, at the end of Days, and his scene in DDD where he sadly accepts that it 'has to be' Sora who exists. Plus Roxas suddenly appearing practically omniscient in Re Mind made him seem sort of mature in an edgy, mysterious way.

KUUXIII

June 18, 2020 @ 10:15 amOffline

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dodge roll in the battle with xemnas.

maybe it's just the the track level playing automatically,we're still doing the rhythm part

The_Echo

June 18, 2020 @ 10:16 amOffline

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As someone who's only experienced Days through the HD cutscenes, that light-hearted side of Roxas unfortunately didn't come through (it's possible it's there somewhere but I found the whole thing a slog to watch so can't remember a lot), so I remember the broody emo bits in 2, at the end of Days, and his scene in DDD where he sadly accepts that it 'has to be' Sora who exists. Plus Roxas suddenly appearing practically omniscient in Re Mind made him seem sort of mature in an edgy, mysterious way.

The lighthearted moments of Days are extremely few and far-between. You can probably count those scenes on one hand.
In fact it's probably Days, more than anything, which bolstered fans' perception of Roxas as being overly moody.

Katsagu

June 18, 2020 @ 10:49 amOffline

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The_Echo

Expecting Xehanort to just completely disappear from the storyline after KHIII was a bit foolish.
All that really ended was Xehanort's role as the main antagonist.
At any rate, it's high time we got some answers about the 10-year gap between BbS and KH1. Even before KHIII introduced Subject X, that was a pretty important part of the lore that went almost completely ignored for the entire series.


I didn't expect him to disappear, I just didn't expect for him to continue taking center stage as the main antagonist. We are now exploring his back story in Dark Road... and MoM is alluding to a "final plan" in kairi's memories...

So far the post Dark Seeker saga stuff has a lot of xehanort in it. And sure we have only seen trailers and I might be completely wrong.

Chaser

June 18, 2020 @ 11:27 amOffline

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At the risk of being a confusing mess due to a lack of understanding the controls, I hope the opening movie with a Face My Fears remix is playable.

2 quid is good

June 18, 2020 @ 12:00 pmOffline

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Chaser

At the risk of being a confusing mess due to a lack of understanding the controls, I hope the opening movie with a Face My Fears remix is playable.

Ohhhhhh my days now I want all four songs to have a playable version

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 01:11 pmOffline

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Katsagu

This is what's kind of worrying me. I really wanted to move on from xehanort after KH3. But so far, we're still stuck with Xehanort and his shenanigans. No foretellers, no yozora , no Luxu's box. I really hope they move on.

The fact the trailer even aludes to a "Final Plan" by xehanort is just...ugh.

As others hand said, most of this should have been before or part of KH3. Heck, this storyline with Kairi should have been her story for KH3 instead of leaving her in the enchanted forest all game until the end. I always knew Xehanort would not be done after KH3, he's sticking around forever, but his Dark Seeker plans should be ended now and focus on all those things you just mentioned.

Now we have a Rhythm game that is going to focus on Kairi looking for Sora and dealing with her past when the latter should have been dealt with already. I won't complain because Kairi spotlight and I do wanna play this game, but the execution of this and still dealing with Xehanorts evil schemes this feels like ideas KH3 had but were scrapped and now being revived and joint together with current events. Let's see if they pull it off.

Luminary

June 18, 2020 @ 01:14 pmOffline

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Chaser

At the risk of being a confusing mess due to a lack of understanding the controls, I hope the opening movie with a Face My Fears remix is playable.


For me, it would depend on what kind of opening movie we get. If it’s just a recut of previous openings or something, I’d be totally down for that. But I’m hoping we get an original one focusing on the journey Kairi’s had similar to what the 0.2 opening was for Aqua. For me, having one like that playable at first would be too distracting. They could make it playable after you watch it the first time or make it a special bonus level after you beat the game though. Like 2 quid said, this could be something they do for all the Utada songs.

However tertiary this game may be, the possibility of a new opening movie, title screen artwork, etc., has me hyped.

Sephiroth0812

June 18, 2020 @ 01:30 pmOffline

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Fate refers to something that you can't predict, change and even comprehend. In the greek mythology, it is determined by the Moirai and the gods, not even Zeus, can change nor influence it (the Parcae and the Norns have the same role in the roman and the norse mythologies, respectively). Destiny (which gained importance in ancient Rome) puts the focus on humans and, as it pertains to human characteristics, can be changed by your own actions.

They are pretty much used interchangeably today, but you can see the difference from time to time.


Ah thanks, that makes it more clear.
Reading about these differences makes it look like the KH series itself doesn't know which of the two it actually wants to use most of the time.

SweetYetSalty

As others hand said, most of this should have been before or part of KH3. Heck, this storyline with Kairi should have been her story for KH3 instead of leaving her in the enchanted forest all game until the end. I always knew Xehanort would not be done after KH3, he's sticking around forever, but his Dark Seeker plans should be ended now and focus on all those things you just mentioned.


Most of this stuff could have been in KH III if the priorities had actually been on exploring backstories and focus on the actual characters together with the left open plots from years of a badly paced saga instead of cramming it all into the final stretch and otherwise have only breadcrumbs of "story" between Disney worlds.

Maybe if they had left out all the useless and space-stealing UX baiting, bringing up new never before mentioned stuff out of thin air like Subject X and the whole extra crap with Marluxia, Larxene, Luxord and Demyx as well as refrained from putting so much rescources into things like Classic Kingdom and other side stuff that doesn't really benefit the story nor does it help the resolution of the saga it could have been all included where it pacing- and time-line wise belongs instead of having to back trace yet again now in "Phase 2" which normally should transition into the new tasks ahead.

It looks more and more like Re:Mind was just the first "addendum" to KH III which encompasses almost completely stuff regarding several characters and plots that should have been shown off and resolved before the Grand Final battle happened.

I'll admit that I am one of those who hoped that we'd be finally rid of Xehanort for good after his saga is finally over.

Squood!

June 18, 2020 @ 01:37 pmOffline

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That reminds me, weren't the devs a bit too excited to play with all them new Disney worlds while making the game?

Katsagu

June 18, 2020 @ 01:43 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

As others hand said, most of this should have been before or part of KH3. Heck, this storyline with Kairi should have been her story for KH3 instead of leaving her in the enchanted forest all game until the end. I always knew Xehanort would not be done after KH3, he's sticking around forever, but his Dark Seeker plans should be ended now and focus on all those things you just mentioned.

Now we have a Rhythm game that is going to focus on Kairi looking for Sora and dealing with her past when the latter should have been dealt with already. I won't complain because Kairi spotlight and I do wanna play this game, but the execution of this and still dealing with Xehanorts evil schemes this feels like ideas KH3 had but were scrapped and now being revived and joint together with current events. Let's see if they pull it off.


I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Kairi's backstory should have been explored in KH3. They're able to explore it now specifically because of what happened in KH3, and I kind of like how it seems they're doing it, like finding this stuff about kairi is completely unexpected since the objective was to try to find Sora, and this knowledge is a consequence from that. Once again I might be completely wrong and stuff does not play out like this in the game.

But yeah, I really hope we can move on from Xehanort's plans and such, I'm more interested in what comes after that for sure.

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 01:54 pmOffline

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I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Kairi's backstory should have been explored in KH3. They're able to explore it now specifically because of what happened in KH3, and I kind of like how it seems they're doing it, like finding this stuff about kairi is completely unexpected since the objective was to try to find Sora, and this knowledge is a consequence from that. Once again I might be completely wrong and stuff does not play out like this in the game.

But yeah, I really hope we can move on from Xehanort's plans and such, I'm more interested in what comes after that for sure.

That's fine too. It's just this is a story that was suggested back in KH1 all the way in 2002 and here we are in 2020 now getting it. Better late then never, but this feels out of place when Xehanort is gone...supposedly and now we're going back to him. I don't hate reusing Xehanort, but his big plan was just foiled and we're still on him. Of course his actions are still going to be felt in the series but this feels a little overkill.

AdrianXXII

June 18, 2020 @ 01:54 pmOffline

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Katsagu

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Kairi's backstory should have been explored in KH3. They're able to explore it now specifically because of what happened in KH3, and I kind of like how it seems they're doing it, like finding this stuff about kairi is completely unexpected since the objective was to try to find Sora, and this knowledge is a consequence from that. Once again I might be completely wrong and stuff does not play out like this in the game.

But yeah, I really hope we can move on from Xehanort's plans and such, I'm more interested in what comes after that for sure.

yeah, but it'd be kinda impossible to explore Kairi's past and not bring up Xehanort again seeing he's responsible for most of the tragedies in her life. I just hope that these memories also lead to more which will expand on what is to come in the next arc.

Considering that Subject X's disappearance and Kairi's departure both happen in the year between BBS and Radiant Garden's fall, I could see them having crossed paths. Also something happened in that world that Master of Masters didn't want pre-KH2 Maleficent to know, this could be feature in this game.

SweetYetSalty

That's fine too. It's just this is a story that was suggested back in KH1 all the way in 2002 and here we are in 2020 now getting it. Better late then never, but this feels out of place when Xehanort is gone...supposedly and now we're going back to him. I don't hate reusing Xehanort, but his big plan was just foiled and we're still on him. Of course his actions are still going to be felt in the series but this feels a little overkill.

Agreed it'd have been better, if we had gotten 1 or 2 games without him as a palate cleanser before having him take an important role in a story again.

Katsagu

June 18, 2020 @ 02:05 pmOffline

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yeah, but it'd be kinda impossible to explore Kairi's past and not bring up Xehanort again seeing he's responsible for most of the tragedies in her life. I just hope that these memories also lead to more which will expand on what is to come in the next arc.

I'm not saying it's bad to have Xehanort there, of course they can use him again. I'm more worried about the framing "his final plan lies in the melody of memories" that seems to imply xehanort still has a card up his sleeve after all is said and done in KH3.

If he just appears to flesh out kairi's backstory, hey no problem I like that. But if this leads to him somehow coming back or whatever...come on.

SweetYetSalty

June 18, 2020 @ 02:10 pmOffline

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It's too bad they didn't take advantage of Namine being in Kairi's heart since KH2. She could have played a big role in helping Kairi regain her lost memories and have the two bond, it's disturbing these two don't have a real relationship.

But I don't wanna complain too much on this. I'm just happy Kairi is getting focus.

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June 18, 2020 @ 02:26 pmOffline

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Honestly I am quite happy with more Xehanort and I can see this moving things forward. I got the impression from what we know about the Subject X stuff that Apprentice Xehanort was on the cusp of learning some big secret from her memory, which Braig prevented from happening. So I can see whatever Xehanort then did to Kairi somehow bringing us to the MoM's plans.

Luminary

June 18, 2020 @ 02:30 pmOffline

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Katsagu

I'm not saying it's bad to have Xehanort there, of course they can use him again. I'm more worried about the framing "his final plan lies in the melody of memories" that seems to imply xehanort still has a card up his sleeve after all is said and done in KH3.

If he just appears to flesh out kairi's backstory, hey no problem I like that. But if this leads to him somehow coming back or whatever...come on.


I don’t think he’ll truly come back. He did clearly have one more card up his sleeve, which is consistent with the fact that he planned for every eventuality. But I think his final plan wasn’t about how to bring himself back, but how his plans could still be fulfilled in the event of his death. Kairi must play a big role in whatever that plan is.

Ballad of Caius

June 18, 2020 @ 06:43 pmOffline

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I wanna debate the sexier part...but can't.


Why wouldn't Kairi's confrontation be Melody based? If that's how the game is played it would be odd to have that one fight not be rhythm. It would be like COM suddenly doing away with the cards when fighting Marluxia. It's the style of the game. So prepare for Kairi to battle Apprentice Xehanort in a shower of musical notes and become the second coming of 'Ursula's Revenge' how can that not excite you?

I mean, we don't know anything, but perhaps Kairi's proper scenario is unlock able and the gameplay style changes to accommodate something akin to Re:MIND.

MATGSY

That's like thinking the Org members in CoM shouldn't obey the rules of the cards and just fight normally. Or the Foretellers shouldn't bother with turn-based battles. Rhythm is how MoM is played and there's no inherent reason to assume otherwise. Especially since the trailer showed how boss battles work with the Xemnas part.

There is: the assumption that Kairi's scenario confronting Apprentice Nort is separate.

I'm not denying the fact that the Apprentice Xehanort fight could be under MoM's gameplay, but the way they built it up seemed to me that, on the off chance, the gameplay could be more akin to KH3.

MATGSY

June 18, 2020 @ 09:34 pmOffline

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I mean, we don't know anything, but perhaps Kairi's proper scenario is unlock able and the gameplay style changes to accommodate something akin to Re:MIND.


There is: the assumption that Kairi's scenario confronting Apprentice Nort is separate.

I'm not denying the fact that the Apprentice Xehanort fight could be under MoM's gameplay, but the way they built it up seemed to me that, on the off chance, the gameplay could be more akin to KH3.

The alternative is that it's just a cutscene. I had hoped that Days Theater would at least make the Xion & Riku fights playable if nothing else but that sure didn't happen.

FudgemintGuardian

June 19, 2020 @ 12:06 amOffline

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Katsagu

This is what's kind of worrying me. I really wanted to move on from xehanort after KH3. But so far, we're still stuck with Xehanort and his shenanigans. No foretellers, no yozora , no Luxu's box. I really hope they move on.

The fact the trailer even aludes to a "Final Plan" by xehanort is just...ugh.
At the same time I'm kinda glad we're getting a sort of "Fix KH3 Saga", and the games will set up future stuff like they always do, and Memory of Melody might move the plot forward a step.

I do hope so much this doesn't go on for years. I don't believe it will since the next two titles from this "2nd Phase" are set for this year, and the next two are likely for 2021, but those mystery boxes underneath the 2nd Phase scare me...

This "final plan" puts a bad taste in my mouth.

The_Echo

June 19, 2020 @ 12:13 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

but those mystery boxes underneath the 2nd Phase scare me...

Y'know, this has me really confused because by all rights, some of those boxes should be filled by now.
There are arrows suggesting a flowchart relationship between the boxes, and despite Re Mind having already released and Dark Road very nearly released, none of the small boxes flowing between them have been filled.

Recon

June 19, 2020 @ 12:52 amOffline

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Kinda bummed it’s not 100% chibi. It looks...just OK imo

FudgemintGuardian

June 19, 2020 @ 03:01 amOffline

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The_Echo

Y'know, this has me really confused because by all rights, some of those boxes should be filled by now.
There are arrows suggesting a flowchart relationship between the boxes, and despite Re Mind having already released and Dark Road very nearly released, none of the small boxes flowing between them have been filled.
And it gets weird in the middle.

Blank box -> Re:Mind -> blank box -> Dark Road -> Memory of Melody -> blank box -> Memory of Melody again -> 4th game -> blank box -> 5th game -> blank box

There's no way these arrows and the bottom boxes are just decorative.

Ballad of Caius

June 19, 2020 @ 03:08 amOffline

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Kinda bummed it’s not 100% chibi. It looks...just OK imo

Yeah, the intro with the chili SDG were a bit misleading.

The_Echo

June 19, 2020 @ 03:12 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

And it gets weird in the middle.

Blank box -> Re:Mind -> blank box -> Dark Road -> Memory of Melody -> blank box -> Memory of Melody again -> 4th game -> blank box -> 5th game -> blank box

There's no way these arrows and the bottom boxes are just decorative.

There also is something in the box between Re Mind and Dark Road. Looks like text, but it's too small and blurred to make it out.

It would be very strange if these images were just internal diagrams for Square Enix. I have to assume they intend on releasing them publicly at some point, perhaps with complete information.

Sephiroth0812

June 19, 2020 @ 04:59 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

And it gets weird in the middle.

Blank box -> Re:Mind -> blank box -> Dark Road -> Memory of Melody -> blank box -> Memory of Melody again -> 4th game -> blank box -> 5th game -> blank box

There's no way these arrows and the bottom boxes are just decorative.


The twofold appearance of Memory of Melody and that one blank box could be a similar situation as Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days have time-line wise as CoM happens parallel to Days and in-between it at the same time.
Time-line wise Days starts during the last third of KH I and ends way after CoM already finished.

The blank box before Re:Mind however could be either KH III itself, Ux or even the "Dark Seeker saga" as a whole.

AdrianXXII

June 19, 2020 @ 06:39 amOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

And it gets weird in the middle.

Blank box -> Re:Mind -> blank box -> Dark Road -> Memory of Melody -> blank box -> Memory of Melody again -> 4th game -> blank box -> 5th game -> blank box

There's no way these arrows and the bottom boxes are just decorative.

My reading of that is that there's probably a planned Melody of Memory DLC, hence why it returns to the same game. Though with them including 140 songs, I'm not really sure what more they could add in a DLC.

I hope they release a high res version of the diagram soon, so we can get an idea of what the text in the box below says.

Clue.Less

June 19, 2020 @ 12:29 pmOffline

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I feel so much about this announcement, I can't possibly cover all of it. I have been dreaming about those exact Kairi cut scenes since Re:Mind. I can't get over Kairi's look and Riku standing behind her in the Final World. I do not want to play data Sora this time ? . A Shimomura rhythm game is VERY exciting, fudge the people who claim we did not ask for this (...); I did not ask for this, but now I want it. I'm actually happy (if) it ties into the overall story because that's the Galaxy-Brain shit I love so much about KH at the end of the day (and it's not console-I-don't-own exclusive!!!). I do not want to feel disappointment before the game is even out, so I will do my best to wait and see how the story actually works before obsessing and sobbing about it... but it's HARD. Because KAIRI. I'm sure it's going to be wonderful. I hope. Also I missed out on so many Foreteller badges, not sharing my fan theories about the next game before. Ugh. (...)

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ivaannom

June 19, 2020 @ 01:41 pmOffline

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Just saw the new screenshots and... fuck under the sea

I don't know if i love or hate this song wtf

Clue.Less

June 19, 2020 @ 01:50 pmOffline

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ivaannom

Just saw the new screenshots and... fuck under the sea

I don't know if i love or hate this song wtf




We need a ? emoji as a reaction option on this forum. Where's my emotional crying emoji?

Ballad of Caius

June 19, 2020 @ 02:27 pmOffline

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ivaannom

Just saw the new screenshots and... fuck under the sea

I don't know if i love or hate this song wtf



THE SEAWEED IS ALWAYS GREENER, ON SOMEBODY'S ELSE'S LAKE!

FudgemintGuardian

June 19, 2020 @ 03:40 pmOffline

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There also is something in the box between Re Mind and Dark Road. Looks like text, but it's too small and blurred to make it out.

It would be very strange if these images were just internal diagrams for Square Enix. I have to assume they intend on releasing them publicly at some point, perhaps with complete information.
Maybe that text is what'll actually be what's announced next.

Sephiroth0812

The twofold appearance of Memory of Melody and that one blank box could be a similar situation as Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days have time-line wise as CoM happens parallel to Days and in-between it at the same time.
Time-line wise Days starts during the last third of KH I and ends way after CoM already finished.
Makes sense. We already know the three groups doing their own things concurrently with Kairi's sleeping adventure, so it could be either of those.

AdrianXXII

My reading of that is that there's probably a planned Melody of Memory DLC, hence why it returns to the same game. Though with them including 140 songs, I'm not really sure what more they could add in a DLC.
140 is a lot. Didn't even know we've had that much. lol

I expect rhythm games to have DLC, but I agree. I have no clue what else could be added.

ivaannom

Just saw the new screenshots and... fuck under the sea

I don't know if i love or hate this song wtf


Everybody getting flashbacks, and I'm just here annoyed they're not in their Atlantica forms.

Zettaflare

June 20, 2020 @ 03:21 amOffline

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Just remembered about the card Luxord gave to Sora. If he gave it to Kairi before he passed away wonder if it will play a part in MoM?

Luminary

June 20, 2020 @ 05:12 amOffline

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I don’t think I’ve really seen anyone mention this, but I wonder what happens to Riku during the course of this? I’d assume the scene with them together comes before the scene with Kairi and the hooded figure. Nomura, what did you do to our boy?

AdrianXXII

June 20, 2020 @ 06:30 amOffline

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I don’t think I’ve really seen anyone mention this, but I wonder what happens to Riku during the course of this? I’d assume the scene with them together comes before the scene with Kairi and the hooded figure. Nomura, what did you do to our boy?

Honestly I think the Riku scene is at the end of the game and shows us Riku fetching Kair, so they can go get the third person and look for Sora in their dreams. My impression is that Melody takes place between ReMind and Limit Cut.

That said I hope their interactiom boils down to more than just: Riku going "Hey, let's find Sora!" and Kairi replying "right!"

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Foxycian

June 20, 2020 @ 09:09 amOffline

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I hope they heard my/our prayers, I really want Hayden back as kairi, I can’t take Kairi with Xion voice, and not just that i just don’t like Kairi having this cute voice, I love Alyson voice but I don’t want them using one voice actor to voice multiple characters all the time, plus Kairi was never the girly shy type as far as I remember I really want that strong voice Hayden brought for this character it felt more natural.

FudgemintGuardian

June 20, 2020 @ 02:46 pmOffline

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Zettaflare

Just remembered about the card Luxord gave to Sora. If he gave it to Kairi before he passed away wonder if it will play a part in MoM?
I want to believe Sora hung on to it like Luxord told him to, though I want to know what that dang card is already!

Even if it "could turn the tables", I like the idea that, rather the card having some magic power, it's something mundane like a credit card, business card of someone who might be able to help Sora, lets him in to an exclusive club, or it tells people in the know that Sora's a friend of Luxord so they don't kill him or whatever.

Or maybe what Luxord really meant by "could turn the tables" isn't that it could assist Sora but Sora could assist in whatever the card relates to (Verum Rex.)

Squood!

June 20, 2020 @ 02:58 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Yeah, the intro with the chili SDG were a bit misleading.

Chili? I could go for some chili right now.

And I don't see a twofold Melody of Memory in those boxes.

Edit: oh...the arrows. I think that's just a visual error

SweetYetSalty

June 20, 2020 @ 03:09 pmOffline

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Zip

I don’t think I’ve really seen anyone mention this, but I wonder what happens to Riku during the course of this? I’d assume the scene with them together comes before the scene with Kairi and the hooded figure. Nomura, what did you do to our boy?

The hooded figure could have made him disappear for a one-on-one with Kairi. Or this portion takes place in her mind. KH has separated characters for plot reasons before. Just like with Sora vs Roxas. Riku was likely removed from the equation to get at Kairi alone. Or the scenes take place at different times.

Clue.Less

June 20, 2020 @ 04:36 pmOffline

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If this is Traverse Town :
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What's that red area?
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Violet Pluto

June 20, 2020 @ 04:59 pmOffline

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[SPOILER]If this is Traverse Town :
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What's that red area?
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Cave of Wonders V Jafar? It's the only thing I can see.

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June 20, 2020 @ 05:22 pmOffline

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Violet Pluto

Cave of Wonders V Jafar? It's the only thing I can see.

It would be weird for it not to link to Agrabah (which you can see ahead in the video) though. Maybe it's just something in a cutscene (not a clue what)

SweetYetSalty

June 20, 2020 @ 06:19 pmOffline

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You guys think Mickey will be on the box cover of Melody of Memories? I believe minus KH1 and the original CoM the mouse is on the cover of every KH game, even ones where he's a cameo at best. This is a minor thing to think about but it would be funny since this is like supposedly a Kairi game and the two are barely related.

Edit: Also does Melody of Memories sound like Merry Melodies to anyone else besides me? They just roll off the tongue the same way lol.

FudgemintGuardian

June 20, 2020 @ 06:23 pmOffline

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Clue.Less

If this is Traverse Town :
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What's that red area?
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There isn't many red areas, so you'd think this'd be easy. The closest that comes to mind is the room we fight Jafar, but it should be connected to Agrabah, not Destiny Islands. And there's nothing happening from that time that would connect DI with this. ....Unless maybe some spots are relevant to Kairi's story and this is from her memory of Radiant Garden's destruction?

Clue.Less

June 20, 2020 @ 06:49 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

And there's nothing happening from that time that would connect DI with this. ....Unless maybe some spots are relevant to Kairi's story and this is from her memory of Radiant Garden's destruction?


This does look suspiciously like an apocalyptic Kairi memory to me. ? Of how she ended up in the Destiny Islands. Or was torn from it?

(Also, the Fantasia 2000 Firebird? Or the Fantasia Rite of Spring volcanoes? The Bambi forest fire? Probably a waste of resources for just a cut scene, but that would be a cool baby Kairi nightmare as these worlds fall to darkness.)

Luminary

June 20, 2020 @ 07:16 pmOffline

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There’s a palm tree, so I definitely think it is Destiny Islands. I thought it could be a miscoloring of the islands being destroyed, but idk. I’d think that would be one of the songs between DI and Traverse Town.

It’s also interesting to me that all the worlds/events we see are cleared except this one on the right:

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Wonder what they’re hiding?

Squood!

June 20, 2020 @ 07:21 pmOffline

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So someone on tumblr brought up that in the 2nd Phase portion of the trailer, "2020-2023" could be seen.

This true?

Luminary

June 20, 2020 @ 07:26 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

So someone on tumblr brought up that in the 2nd Phase portion of the trailer, "2020-2023" could be seen.

This true?


That probably the 20200123 that the person saw. It’s referring to the Re:Mind release date.

Violet Pluto

June 20, 2020 @ 08:11 pmOffline

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Looking at the picture again, that is Destiny Islands, I'd recognize that Island that branches off with the tree they sit on anywhere. I lost to Riku too many times not to recognize it. About the video however, at worst I can't recognize it if it's connected to Destiny Islands; At best its a new FMV.

Squood!

June 20, 2020 @ 08:50 pmOffline

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Let's all remember the last time Destiny Islands went all red.

0.2.

When the Demon Tide went into its second phase.

FudgemintGuardian

June 20, 2020 @ 10:17 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Let's all remember the last time Destiny Islands went all red.

0.2.

When the Demon Tide went into its second phase.
I was too busy wanting the game to end to notice. lol

But, uh...that couldn't be in Kairi's head either. Jeez, this rhythm game really has nothing to do with her...

The_Echo

June 20, 2020 @ 10:31 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian

But, uh...that couldn't be in Kairi's head either. Jeez, this rhythm game really has nothing to do with her...

I know we're all used to KH games canonizing the gameplay to exhaustive detail, but it's literally just a rhythm game.
If they only included tracks from worlds Kairi's personally familiar with, there'd be nothing there.

It's just Theatrhythm Kingdom Hearts but with the added bonus of new story.

Chaser

June 20, 2020 @ 11:09 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Let's all remember the last time Destiny Islands went all red.

0.2.

When the Demon Tide went into its second phase.

This is the correct answer.

FudgemintGuardian

June 21, 2020 @ 12:13 amOffline

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The_Echo

I know we're all used to KH games canonizing the gameplay to exhaustive detail, but it's literally just a rhythm game.
If they only included tracks from worlds Kairi's personally familiar with, there'd be nothing there.

It's just Theatrhythm Kingdom Hearts but with the added bonus of new story.
I get that, but it's uncomfortably weird. Makes the inclusion of Kairi's story even worse when it seemingly has no reason for being in this particular game and every reason for being anywhere else. It'd be like having TVA's RoD adventure in a tile matching game.

The first time we could'a had a game to enjoy at our total leisure. No story. No needing it to understand future titles. No Nomura. Just the amazing music we all love. Nothing more.

What sweet bliss that would have been...

Face My Fears

June 21, 2020 @ 12:32 amOffline

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Zip

There’s a palm tree, so I definitely think it is Destiny Islands. I thought it could be a miscoloring of the islands being destroyed, but idk. I’d think that would be one of the songs between DI and Traverse Town.

It’s also interesting to me that all the worlds/events we see are cleared except this one on the right:

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Wonder what they’re hiding?

I noticed that they titled this screen "World Tour". I wonder if that has anything to do with Xehanort's "world tour"?

Squood!

June 22, 2020 @ 12:16 amOffline

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I mean, I'd be mad if it were a canon pachinko machine. I'm not really miffed about Melody's canon status anymore.

Anyways...
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FudgemintGuardian

June 22, 2020 @ 12:34 amOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Anyways...
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June 22, 2020 @ 07:06 amOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

Anyways...
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I am not a native French speaker but I looked it into a bit and am pretty sure that isn't true.
Somebody says it on a baby name site but I can't see Kairi (or any spelling variant) being used to mean song or melody in French anywhere.

AdrianXXII

June 22, 2020 @ 08:55 amOffline

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Dast

I am not a native French speaker but I looked it into a bit and am pretty sure that isn't true.
Somebody says it on a baby name site but I can't see Kairi (or any spelling variant) being used to mean song or melody in French anywhere.

Maybr it's from old French? That said i hadn't seen anything hinting at it either outside if baby name websites.

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naminexriku2468

June 24, 2020 @ 07:20 pmOffline

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Namine should be in this game too with the scientists in Radiant Garden

Ballad of Caius

June 24, 2020 @ 10:38 pmOffline

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naminexriku2468

Namine should be in this game too with the scientists in Radiant Garden

Yep. There's memory in the title, so she should have some sort of involvement. And she's part of the people that have interacted with Sora to and from the Final World.

gulava

June 25, 2020 @ 11:46 amOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Yep. There's memory in the title, so she should have some sort of involvement. And she's part of the people that have interacted with Sora to and from the Final World.

She is also one of the two characters who interacted with time-travelling sora in Re:Mind.

Clue.Less

June 25, 2020 @ 02:13 pmOffline

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KeybladeLordSora

I mean, I'd be mad if it were a canon pachinko machine. I'm not really miffed about Melody's canon status anymore.

Anyways...
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O_O ?? *French brain does not compute*

I have no idea where that website got that from. Medieval French for melody is melodie. English picked up the word from there. "Carillon" (chime) comes from the number four. The closest musical term I can think of is "aria" (air/tune) which is an Italian word, not French. And has no K.

BUT if you want to go down that road... ?

The name "Kairi" might ring two bells in a nerdy French mind:

"Kairos (Ancient Greek: καιρός) is an Ancient Greek word meaning the right, critical, or opportune moment. The ancient Greeks had two words for time: chronos (χρόνος) and kairos. The former refers to chronological or sequential time, while the latter signifies a proper or opportune time for action." ( :D ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kairos

And Carrie (Carine) comes from the Latin adjective that means "expensive" => "precious" => "Dearly beloved".?

Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk ?

Further readings to turn this rhythm game into a G(r)eeky poetic-and-philosophical journey:
[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus[/URL]

[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemosyne[/URL]

[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis[/URL]

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44185/a-song-for-st-cecilias-day-1687[/URL]

The dead shall live, the living die,
And music shall untune the sky.

Ballad of Caius

June 25, 2020 @ 04:40 pmOffline

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gulava

She is also one of the two characters who interacted with time-travelling sora in Re:Mind.

Correctly. Kairi and Naminé should be pivotal to...
Sora Returns
KINGDOM HEARTS IV

Violet Pluto

June 25, 2020 @ 06:24 pmOffline

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Ballad of Caius

Correctly. Kairi and Naminé should be pivotal to...
Sora Returns
KINGDOM HEARTS IV

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As someone in the middle of their FF13 Journey and as one who doesn't hate those game... This joke gave me a migraine.

Ballad of Caius

June 25, 2020 @ 10:33 pmOffline

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Violet Pluto

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As someone in the middle of their FF13 Journey and as one who doesn't hate those game... This joke gave me a migraine.

PStuder12321

June 26, 2020 @ 04:24 pmOffline

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Check out the brand new trailer for KINGDOM HEARTS Melody of Memory, releasing worldwide in 2020 for PS4/XBO/Switch! Featuring over 140 songs and 4 gameplay modes including online functionality, you'll surely not want to miss it!



Visit the official website!

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So the melody part. NGL. weird. HOWEVER. screw the first part of the trailer, the second part... OMG so many things to say.

1. Thats Mom, he reveals himself to Kairi. Kairi is awake, with Riku, Do they BOTH go to Yozoro's world. Further more, if Mom is going back and fourth from Yozoros world so can Sora. Further, What Happened at Radient Garden. OMG there is so much canon for this!

2. Guys, holy crap Square Enix kept their word! Guys they are releasing a game in what? a year? two years? GUYS!!! THATS FRICKIN HUGE. its not 10 years!!!! Guys does this mean the Kingdom Hearts Series is going to get content a LOT faster now? Is Kingdom Hearts 4 right around the corner?!?!??! Guys!!! Huge news!

Zettaflare

I'm guessing the Kairi stuff is the prologue to the actual DDD Volume 2. That game will start were Melody of Memory ends

Sorry for double post I got excited and didnt think to read comments lolol. Anyway, yeah no I forgot about DDD2, yeah this is so huge, Kairi looks like she's going to be a huge player! Furthermore on top of all that, I expect the game to be fairly short but full of lots of canon, I feel they only made the Melody part for the ability to put MoM in the title. no this game is clearly to throw out a good amount of canon needed to build up future games. Holy crap Im excited!

Katsagu

Does it mean something that pixar appears on the trademark?


Not really anything important. just means there will be Pixar worlds in it. which I guess can be fun news, but Pixar worlds were already becoming a thing so we could kinda guess that would happen.

Xagzan

Would be great but in that case they basically showed us some of the ending haha.

All I know is it'd be really weird, if this is her game, if Kairi isn't playable in the Kairi-centric game. Cause we saw no gameplay in her half of the trailer after all.

So confused right now.



Could just be cutscenes with her, but Im assuming whats gonna happen, is half the game is gonna be sora, then half of it is gonna be Kairi. What I find weird is the Sora part, Notice Donald and Goofy? Odd. I don't think the sora part really has anything to do with the story tbh. I think it will be Kairi doing the Canon with some Riku. As Sora had Donald and Goofy none of it can be much Canon meaning it will probably be Sora's memories as someone previously suggested, OR, Sora is dreaming. Either which way I think its safe to say at least a fair portion of the game will be Riku and Kairi's story. But from the trailer, it appears Kairi is taking the spot light on this one, which I think would be good for the game and Kairi as a character and I would personally be really excited about.

SweetYetSalty

June 29, 2020 @ 01:58 amOffline

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I wonder what the opening will be like? First major KH game since KH3 and all so that's something to look forward to. Would they recap the KG war?

Ballad of Caius

June 29, 2020 @ 09:29 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

I wonder what the opening will be like? First major KH game since KH3 and all so that's something to look forward to. Would they recap the KG war?

Could just be a recap of KH3, seeing as how I presume this takes place after it. Maybe put some scenes when Kairi was a child.

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Foxycian

June 29, 2020 @ 09:34 pmOffline

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I predict every world will have 3 stages (or maybe more) the 3rd stage will be a boss fight, and maybe there is a secret stage In some worlds aka secret bosses.

PStuder12321

June 30, 2020 @ 07:13 amOffline

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SweetYetSalty

I wonder what the opening will be like? First major KH game since KH3 and all so that's something to look forward to. Would they recap the KG war?


KG war? Keyblade Guardian war? I think its mostly going to be focused on Kairi and her past concerning her being a princess in radiant guard and what happened before she was on the island.


Ballad of Caius

Could just be a recap of KH3, seeing as how I presume this takes place after it. Maybe put some scenes when Kairi was a child.


I think there will be quite a few flash backs to her as a kid in Radiant Garden. they have kinda kept that secret and tight lipped, theres a lot of room for them to play with it and turn it into something.

MATGSY

July 1, 2020 @ 05:12 pmOffline

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So where's the obligatory Nomura interview explaining this? Surprised we haven't gotten that yet.

Oracle Spockanort

July 1, 2020 @ 05:35 pmOffline

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MATGSY

So where's the obligatory Nomura interview explaining this? Surprised we haven't gotten that yet.


I would assume the reveal was not as planned as Nomura wants us to think it was, which means publications like Famitsu probably found out too late to get anything into their recent issues. I would anticipate something this month, though.

Zettaflare

July 1, 2020 @ 05:44 pmOffline

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In addition to what they will show in the opening there is also the matter of what song they will use. Simple and Clean and Sanctuary feel outdated so I think it could be Face My Fears again. It would tie into Kairi finally confronting the man who changed her life

Michael Mario

July 2, 2020 @ 09:59 pmOffline

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First off: how do I quote from multiple posts at once? Can't remember if I ever learned before I went MIA for a year in the wake of the KHIII backlash.

Now then... Melody of Memories. Seems fun enough: not too bothered by what looks to be the frame story the cutscenes and (maybe) the final act being a Kairi game since the story itself - judging by the trailer - seems like it'll be setting up Kairi's character arc moving forward. Learning more about what happened before and during Apprentanort jettisoning her off into the sea of stars that Kairi seems to have repressed her memories of is a plot thread I'd almost forgotten about and am glad that Nomura didn't: that alone is good for Kairi's odds of not being tossed to the side again in the near future.

As for Mr. Black Coat... I doubt that Master of Masters's face would be revealed just yet. I'm on Team Apprentanort both because he is the incarnation of Xehanort most closely associated with her and because if they're in the Final World... Well: if Xemnas and Ansem SoD did develop their own hearts before Terra and Master Xehanort were recompleted, that's where any 'completed' version of them would go. As for the how Kairi and Riku get there, I do recall Chirthy mentioning to Sora that he's crossed over there during his Dive to the Hearts - might be through a similar method.

Chaser

July 2, 2020 @ 11:49 pmOffline

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Michael Mario

First off: how do I quote from multiple posts at once? Can't remember if I ever learned before I went MIA for a year in the wake of the KHIII backlash.

Gonna quote myself from another topic:
Chaser

Click the +quote button on all of the posts that you want to quote. A message will pop up saying that the post has been added to your multi-quote queue.



When you're ready to add in all of the quotes to form your post, in the text box click on "Insert Quotes"



A Review Selected Messages pop up will then appear. You will then be able to review the posts you are quoting, and you can remove any quotes and rearrange the order of the quotes if you so wish.



When you've finished reviewing your quotes, just click on 'Quote Messages' and the Review Selected Messages pop up will go away and your quotes will be added to your text box.

If you want to quote one post but address multiple parts of it by breaking the post up, just put space between the text that you want to quote, highlight the text, click on the three dots in the text box (next to the smile face), and click quote.



This will put tags around that text for you.

Michael Mario

July 2, 2020 @ 11:54 pmOffline

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Chaser

Gonna quote myself from another topic:

Got it: thanks!

PStuder12321

July 5, 2020 @ 10:33 pmOffline

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Michael Mario

First off: how do I quote from multiple posts at once? Can't remember if I ever learned before I went MIA for a year in the wake of the KHIII backlash.

Now then... Melody of Memories. Seems fun enough: not too bothered by what looks to be the frame story the cutscenes and (maybe) the final act being a Kairi game since the story itself - judging by the trailer - seems like it'll be setting up Kairi's character arc moving forward. Learning more about what happened before and during Apprentanort jettisoning her off into the sea of stars that Kairi seems to have repressed her memories of is a plot thread I'd almost forgotten about and am glad that Nomura didn't: that alone is good for Kairi's odds of not being tossed to the side again in the near future.

As for Mr. Black Coat... I doubt that Master of Masters's face would be revealed just yet. I'm on Team Apprentanort both because he is the incarnation of Xehanort most closely associated with her and because if they're in the Final World... Well: if Xemnas and Ansem SoD did develop their own hearts before Terra and Master Xehanort were recompleted, that's where any 'completed' version of them would go. As for the how Kairi and Riku get there, I do recall Chirthy mentioning to Sora that he's crossed over there during his Dive to the Hearts - might be through a similar method.


one, I would LOVE if this is Kairi's game. She NEEDS her time to shine. people are right, she has not had a lot of time to really shine and has sat in the shadows to long. Lets go Kairi!!! Rock that world!

As for who that is yeah Apprentanort seems the most appropriate guess, However Kairi has been to the Final World before when sora saved her, so just like Sora I would imagine she can return willingly like he did, technically They all had been there when they got wiped by terranort.

Edit: Oh also, She is deep in sleep. it is VERY possible on your theory that she dived into the Final World during her slumber, but they do show that she wakes up, so that raises even more questions.

Chaser

July 6, 2020 @ 05:37 amOffline

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I really hope the release date gets dropped at this months Xbox 20/20 event (edit: July 23).

I get antsy when something is confirmed for the year we're in but there's no actual date attached to it. At least with a date we know that we're heading towards a release rather than what feels like endless waiting. Otherwise we're waiting until Gamescom and then TGS, which would be incredibly late to drop a release date for a 2020 game on current gen.

Cumguardian69

July 6, 2020 @ 06:00 amOffline

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Try not to worry about the release date too much. Reminder that we are stuck between two behemoths that constantly alter fate: COVID-19 (killing people left and right, massively slowing down workflows, etc) and SQEX (remember KHDR being announced and delayed? How about KH3 getting announced, not talked about, delayed, delayed again? How about 0.2? FFXV? Hell even Dissidia NT).

Just take the rest of this year in stride. Chances are, MoM will get "delayed" to late November/December then delayed again to early 2021, just because SE mismanages everything it touches.

Chaser

July 6, 2020 @ 06:12 amOffline

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Cumguardian69

Try not to worry about the release date too much. Reminder that we are stuck between two behemoths that constantly alter fate: COVID-19 (killing people left and right, massively slowing down workflows, etc) and SQEX (remember KHDR being announced and delayed? How about KH3 getting announced, not talked about, delayed, delayed again? How about 0.2? FFXV? Hell even Dissidia NT).

Just take the rest of this year in stride. Chances are, MoM will get "delayed" to late November/December then delayed again to early 2021, just because SE mismanages everything it touches.

Of course COVID has thrown a spanner into the works, probably why the game wasn't announced in April like it was suppose to, but after everything that's happened and they're still committed to 2020 as a release.

KH2.8 was delayed because FFXV pushed into its release slot and KH3 was delayed because of a crowded holiday market (both of which had nothing to do with the quality or development of the games themselves), and DR was delayed because they an extremely limited staff looking after two games when COVID ramped up. there's no reason for me to believe that MoM would be delayed.

At least for me, a date is helpful as it makes me feel like there's something to look forward to in this shit. Something to look too and be like "okay, 67 days until I get to have a scrap of enjoyment" rather than "sometime in the next 178 days."

I fully get what you're saying, and it's all correct. But on the other hand it's much easier to look forward to something when there's a date to count down to.

Ballad of Caius

July 6, 2020 @ 05:46 pmOffline

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I honestly think they'll release the game in about three months. Remember that SE has that internal policy where they don't announce upcoming titles unless they're in a very comfortable state to be announced.

Katsagu

July 28, 2020 @ 08:08 pmOffline

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Got Theatrhythm Final Fantasy curtain call used today... Saw it cheap on a second hand store and though why not?

Have been playing during the afternoon... KH MoM is now my most anticipated game of the year, I cannot wait to play this. I CANNOT! It will be so glorious.

Kind of sad they didn't use the cute designs though.

Luminary

August 3, 2020 @ 01:18 pmOffline

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Moderately hopeful for a release date announcement during this:

the red monster

August 3, 2020 @ 01:57 pmOffline

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Zip

Moderately hopeful for a release date announcement during this:



It's their best chance to show more about this game. there isn't many big third party events for this current gen left.

MATGSY

August 3, 2020 @ 02:20 pmOffline

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Zip

Moderately hopeful for a release date announcement during this:




Fingers crossed for Timesplitters trilogy remasters and/or TS4. THQ Nordic announced they bought the IP last year, series co-creator Steven Ellis revealed he was working with a new team on "TS's future", the other remasters Spongebob & Destroy All Humans have both just released, & Gamescom's right around the corner. It's go time!

Oh & uh, that Disney weeaboo thing too, I guess.

SweetYetSalty

August 3, 2020 @ 04:31 pmOffline

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Not counting this month, we only have 4 months left for a release date. I'm very curious how much story content will be in this game. I refuse to believe Square have learned their lesson on trailer spoilers this soon after KH3. This makes me believe this game won't have too much story and be more for the gameplay. Still wanna hear more about it.

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August 3, 2020 @ 04:37 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Not counting this month, we only have 4 months left for a release date. I'm very curious how much story content will be in this game. I refuse to believe Square have learned their lesson on trailer spoilers this soon after KH3. This makes me believe this game won't have too much story and be more for the gameplay. Still wanna hear more about it.


It's the difference in spoiler culture. Japanese trailers in general are riddled with them, and the audience there doesn't really consider it a problem.

Hopefully there will be something during the State of Play later this week. It'd be nice to get some news lol

SweetYetSalty

August 3, 2020 @ 05:46 pmOffline

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Sign

It's the difference in spoiler culture. Japanese trailers in general are riddled with them, and the audience there doesn't really consider it a problem.

Hopefully there will be something during the State of Play later this week. It'd be nice to get some news lol

Is that why they let the trailers show every character in KH3...minus Namine? Given the spoiler culture, what if they showed every story bit in MoM already? Though I'll laugh if the rhythm gameplay completely overshadows anything Kairi does in the game.

Ballad of Caius

August 3, 2020 @ 06:33 pmOffline

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I imagine Nintendo will casually drop a trailer once the State of Play is over.

Cumguardian69

August 3, 2020 @ 06:39 pmOffline

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I don't see KHMOM being part of the absolute state of play trailer, simply because it's a low budget under-most-peoples-radar type of game.

Sign

August 3, 2020 @ 06:51 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Is that why they let the trailers show every character in KH3...minus Namine? Given the spoiler culture, what if they showed every story bit in MoM already? Though I'll laugh if the rhythm gameplay completely overshadows anything Kairi does in the game.


It'd still be lacking context I suppose lol

Zettaflare

August 3, 2020 @ 07:23 pmOffline

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I'd be fine with just a release date and a few new songs. Would be nice if we saw a glimpse of Kairi's grandmother

Oracle Spockanort

August 3, 2020 @ 09:01 pmOffline

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Cumguardian69

I don't see KHMOM being part of the absolute state of play trailer, simply because it's a low budget under-most-peoples-radar type of game.


I think this stream is likely to be a mix of big upcoming games and a bunch of smaller stuff. Sony enjoys marketing "low budget under-most-peoples-radar" types of games. 40 minutes is a lot of time to cover games coming out this fall/winter. And it isn't for stuff on the PS5, which means they have to fill it with something.

Luminary

August 3, 2020 @ 09:27 pmOffline

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Cumguardian69

I don't see KHMOM being part of the absolute state of play trailer, simply because it's a low budget under-most-peoples-radar type of game.


Idk. It’s 40 minutes and devoted primarily to third party PS4 titles, so I think it stands a pretty decent chance of showing. It may be low budget, but those can often generate surprisingly high profit margins. Also, didn’t SE say most of their announcements would happen around late July/early August? I think Marvel’s Avengers is the most likely SE title to make an appearance, but a 2 minute or so MoM trailer with a possible release date would be easy to squeeze in. Like Spock said, it would be good filler material among the larger reveals.

SuperNova

August 3, 2020 @ 09:51 pmOffline

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Considering MoM is looking to be a bridge type game in the veins of COM and Days/Coded it would be a good smaller trailer to show among Sony's bigger titles. It may not be a big release like KH3 was, but this would be the perfect opportunity to give us a new trailer if not a release date if its coming out this year since I doubt SE will dedicate an entire event to a "smaller" KH game.

SweetYetSalty

August 4, 2020 @ 02:19 pmOffline

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SuperNova

Considering MoM is looking to be a bridge type game in the veins of COM and Days/Coded it would be a good smaller trailer to show among Sony's bigger titles. It may not be a big release like KH3 was, but this would be the perfect opportunity to give us a new trailer if not a release date if its coming out this year since I doubt SE will dedicate an entire event to a "smaller" KH game.

You would think they would give us a release date. There's not much time left in 2020 to be holding out. It would be great if it releases around the same time as the KH3 volume 1 manga as I can get both at the same time :D

MATGSY

August 4, 2020 @ 06:01 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

You would think they would give us a release date. There's not much time left in 2020 to be holding out.

Same could be said of entire next-gen consoles coming this year and yet here we are.

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August 5, 2020 @ 06:07 pmOffline

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SweetYetSalty

Is that why they let the trailers show every character in KH3...minus Namine? Given the spoiler culture, what if they showed every story bit in MoM already? Though I'll laugh if the rhythm gameplay completely overshadows anything Kairi does in the game.

Looking at the trailer, I'm a bit more optimistic than you about story bits we haven't seen. From the world map we see there are cutscenes linked to Traverse Town and Destiny Islands. Maybe there could be some scenes linked to other original world's too and I am pretty curious to see what will happen in these cutscenes.

the red monster

August 5, 2020 @ 10:21 pmOffline

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Cumguardian69

I don't see KHMOM being part of the absolute state of play trailer, simply because it's a low budget under-most-peoples-radar type of game.

Nah not really.
a lot of indie games show up in this kind of events, and KH does have some brand power beyond it.
so that's definitely won't be the reason if it doesn't show up, imo.

Sakuraba Neku

August 6, 2020 @ 08:50 pmOffline

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Well there wasn't anything at State of Play. TGS it is.

Sign

August 6, 2020 @ 08:56 pmOffline

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why do we keep doing this to ourselves

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Xagzan

August 6, 2020 @ 09:18 pmOffline

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Is TGS still on?

Chaser

August 6, 2020 @ 09:25 pmOffline

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Xagzan

Is TGS still on?

It is, as well as Gamescom.

TGS begins September 23rd.

gosoxtim

August 6, 2020 @ 09:38 pmOffline

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im leaning toward it coming out as the same mouth as the ost

Cumguardian69

August 6, 2020 @ 10:20 pmOffline

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Told you guys it wouldn't be on the absolute state. New Sony doesn't like these types of games. MoM is from what we know a quick cashgrab to reimplement content that was stymied or otherwise cut from Remind (which was cut from 3). Don't expect news except from TGS, and even then..coronavirus..

SuperNova

August 6, 2020 @ 10:42 pmOffline

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Honestly my expectations were low to begin with. TGS was the most logical step for any major KH news. If anything I at least hope that Square says something about the game being delayed instead of waiting until the last day of the year.

the red monster

August 6, 2020 @ 10:47 pmOffline

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gamescom doesn't usually have KH news, so safest bet is TGS.
at this point they're probably aiming for novemeber release because the holidays money.

Launchpad

August 7, 2020 @ 04:11 amOffline

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Cumguardian69

reimplement content that was stymied or otherwise cut from Remind (which was cut from 3).


((which was cut from DDD, which was cut from BBS, which was cut from KH2))

SuperSaiyanSora

August 7, 2020 @ 04:53 amOffline

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gosoxtim

im leaning toward it coming out as the same mouth as the ost


I mean, it makes sense... Musical game coming out at the same time as the soundtrack? That's a really smart business move. Plus it's the holidays, so easy money.

I think it's because Melody of Memory most likely doesn't have that much content towards it in terms of story, so they're not wanting to do what they've done in previous history and unveil too much. TGS most likely will have the second and final trailer, along with a release date.

If we got a trailer today, we possibly could've gotten a September-October release. But as it stands, it's most likely a November-December kind of thing.

Another thing that's on my mind though, am I the only one that's wondering if this'll be a Digital-only release? Since from what we've seen, it's a bit of a minor deal, I'm wondering if they'll still make physical copies for Melody of Memory. If memory serves, they had to make Back Cover and added 0.2 together with DDD's PS4 remaster in order to justify shipping out DDD on PS4. I'm curious if that's the same deal here.

This is the most unothodox KH game we've gotten yet, and it's been nothing like the previous marketing campaigns for previous titles, so I wonder what Square's plans for this are.

Xblade13

August 7, 2020 @ 10:48 amOffline

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One thing to keep in mind is how late many companies are waiting to announce anything in the current climate. Paper Mario: The Origami King was announced roughly a month or two before it was released. We're only here soon getting any official news on the new Call of Duty game for this year, and usually that is talked about much earlier in the year as far as I remember. I think the game coming out this holiday season that a studio has talked the most about that I can think of is the new Assassin's Creed, or Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time. Just food for thought when it comes to news.

Heck, Nintendo almost definitely has something coming this holiday season but they haven't shown much of anything in months. I'm thinking that the Coronovirus issue is making it tough to specifically devote time and effort into advertising for much of anything. Either that or a bunch of game companies all decided to suddenly shift on release information hype trains into a more "it comes out soon, bye" type of thing.

VentusAstra

August 7, 2020 @ 10:56 amOffline

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Sign

why do we keep doing this to ourselves


Why are we still here? Just to suffer...?

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Deleted member 252753

August 7, 2020 @ 11:12 amOffline

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Xblade13

One thing to keep in mind is how late many companies are waiting to announce anything in the current climate. Paper Mario: The Origami King was announced roughly a month or two before it was released. We're only here soon getting any official news on the new Call of Duty game for this year, and usually that is talked about much earlier in the year as far as I remember. I think the game coming out this holiday season that a studio has talked the most about that I can think of is the new Assassin's Creed, or Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time. Just food for thought when it comes to news.

Heck, Nintendo almost definitely has something coming this holiday season but they haven't shown much of anything in months. I'm thinking that the Coronovirus issue is making it tough to specifically devote time and effort into advertising for much of anything. Either that or a bunch of game companies all decided to suddenly shift on release information hype trains into a more "it comes out soon, bye" type of thing.

That makes sense and it's really not certain that things won't get worse again with Covid-19 so maybe not announcing a release date until it's basically ready to go is wise.

Sakuraba Neku

August 7, 2020 @ 05:46 pmOffline

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For now I'm more interested in knowing what Melody of Memory as whole is than the release date. I expect it to be delayed anyway.

We have a rhythm game reusing KH1/KH2 assets and then there's Kairi's cutscenes with KH3 assets. Are those cutscenes part of the same game? Is it a different game with BBS 0.2 length bundled together? A movie?

Clarification about that would be appreciated.

Chie

August 26, 2020 @ 02:05 pmOffline

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First post nintendo direct check it out

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