(SPOILERS) Union X: The 5 leaders meet at last w/ English Subs
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- Published on August 24, 2017 @ 06:43 am
- Written by Cecily
KINGDOM HEARTS Union X Japan updated with 5 new quests today, continuing the story where we left off with Strelitzia and the long-awaited gathering of the 5 Union leaders.
Goldpanner has translated the new scenes which are available to read below or watch with English subtitles!
WARNING: CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS
(Strelitzia lies in her bed, staring at the book she received from Lady Ava. She lets out a sigh, waking up her Chirithy.)
Strelitzia: A union leader...
Chirithy: It's an honor, isn't it?
Strelitzia: Yeah… it is, but am I really the right person for a position like this...
Chirithy: Lady Ava knows what she's doing, I'm sure.
Strelitzia: Yeah… but on top of that, the world is going to be annihilated soon? I...
Chirithy: Things are serious, yeah.
Strelitzia: I guess it means we don't save the Keyblade Wielders who aren't Dandelions...
Chirithy: Maybe...
But all the Keyblade Wielders you have anything to do with are members of the Dandelions, right?
Strelitzia: Yeah. But it's not like it's okay just abandon all the people I haven't spent time with.
Chirithy: True. But the thing is, if you go telling everyone out of the blue that the world is going to be annihilated and the Foretellers will disappear, nobody is going to believe you.
Strelitzia: You're right...
(Suddenly, she screams.)
Strelitzia: Agh!
Chirithy: Wah!
What's with you all of a sudden?
Strelitzia: *They're* not a Dandelion!
Chirithy: Huh? Who?
Oh, that kid you have a thing for.
Strelitzia: I have to tell them!
(She leaps out and rushes to the door but pauses.)
Strelitzia: But how?
(She paces back and forth rapidly and waves her book around.)
Besides, it's night.
(She runs back and takes a deep breath before approaching the door again, but still stops.)
What do I do...
Chirithy: Are you just talking to yourself?
(She just runs back to bed and tries to fall asleep.)
Chirithy: What? What?
Strelitzia: I'm going to get up early and go wait at the fountain plaza!
Chirithy: Uhhh, aren't you not supposed to tell anyone about this?
Strelitzia: I'm just going to invite them to join the Dandelions! I won't tell them about the annihilation stuff.
Good night!
Chirithy: Hrmmm...
(The next day, Strelitzia waits for Chirithy at the fountain plaza. She carries the book she received from Ava.)
Chirithy: Hey!
I saw them over that way just now.
Strelitzia: On my way!
(She runs off.)
Chirithy: Wait, wait!
Huff...
Is she really cut out to be a Union Leader…
(Chirithy leaves to follow her.)
Chirithy: Wait for me...
(Strelitzia and Chirithy head into the empty warehouse.)
Strelitzia: You said you saw them go this way, but there's nothing further up but this empty house.
Chirithy: Yeah… Maybe I saw wrong...
(Strelitzia steps forward and calls out.)
Strelitzia: Hellooo! Is anyone theeeere?
Is anyone theeeere?
Chirithy: Looks like a no.
(She lets out a sigh and turns back.)
Strelitzia: Yeah. I'll head back to the fountain plaza.
Chirithy: Okay, and I'll keep looking.
(Chirithy turns towards the exit, but then turns back around and looks at Strelitzia. A shadowy figure creeps up behind her.)
Chirithy: Ah.
Strelitzia: Huh?
(The figure lunges at them and strikes them down before they can react. They swipe Strelitzia’s book and leave.)
Chirithy: Why...
(Chirithy uses the last of his strength and crawls over to his player before collapsing by her side.)
Chirithy: Strelitzia...
(Strelitzia gets up and cradles Chirithy in her arms.)
Strelitzia: ...I'm so sorry…
I couldn't protect you...
(She gets to her feet.)
Chirithy: Don't worry about that now...
(She cries as she limps towards the exit.)
Strelitzia: ...You know what.
(She remembers all those times she crossed paths with the player, but never said a word. Strelitzia makes it to the doorway as Chirithy begins to fade away.)
Strelitzia: I really do wish I'd talked to you...
(Strelitzia and her Chirithy fade away, and her heart floats towards the sky.)
A few days later--
(The other 4 Union leaders are still waiting around in the Keyblade Graveyard, bored and growing impatient.)
Blaine: Number 5 is late, huh.
(Blaine’s outcry wakes Ven up, as he was taking a nap.)
Ven: Yeah.
Ephemera: I'll go look over there.
(He heads off.)
Skuld: I'll go too.
(As she begins to follow Ephemera, Ven and Blaine notice someone approaching.)
Ven & Blaine: Ah.
Skuld: Someone's here.
(Ephemera runs back.)
???: Did I keep you waiting?
Blaine: Yeah, long enough.
Are you number 5?
???: Number 5?
Oh, I suppose everyone is already here.
Ephemera: Nice to meet you, I'm Ephemera.
Skuld: Skuld.
Ven: I'm Ventus, but you can call me Ven.
Blaine: I'm Blaine.
???: I do apologise for keeping you all waiting.
There was something I needed to find.
I'm Lauriam, nice to meet you.
[KINGDOM HEARTS UNION X]
COMMENTS
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Wow that's brutal. .
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That's so screwed up... We barely even knew her and she knows so much about us.
I feel like Marluxia is the one who killed and replaced her as the 5th leader knowing the contents from the journal. God, if that's what happened I will murder Marluxia again.
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I highly... doubt thats the last we see of her. No way we got an introduction like that just to see her disappear.
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Wait. What. But that shouldn't even be possible...I have so many questions but why!?
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What the actual fuck. That's all I'm saying, no, that's all I can say
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I hate everything about this legitimately everything, even if she comes back the fact is right now they are trying to cash in on cheap shock value using one of the most disgusting tropes. It's lazy, it's incredibly crappy given what few female characters we have, and the series deserves so much better than the writer who came up with this idea. I've never felt so...not even angry just disappointed in the series as I have now.
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This would all make sense if a select few characters actually digitized themselves inside one of the Books of Prophecy to change the events in the book so that in doing so it would changechange the events of reality.
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So… what if this is the reason Strelitzia becomes the traitor (we talked about it in the last thread, where she was introduced)? If she comes back anyway. Maybe to get revenge?
Or… is the traitor Marluxia??
Anyways. I'm also not a fan of this.
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So… what if this is the reason Strelitzia becomes the traitor (we talked about it in the last thread, where she was introduced)? If she comes back anyway. Maybe to get revenge?
Or… is the traitor Marluxia??
Anyways. I'm also not a fan of this.
Does she bare the sigil? So far no one does besides Saix lol.
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Does she bare the sigil? So far no one does besides Saix lol.
Yeah, she actually does have a few sigils on her design.
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Yeah, she actually does have a few sigils on her design.
I bet that was she designed like that just to get killed off.
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I mean tbh? I do want her to be the traitor and become the antagonist. Till now… we only had ONE female antagonist, and, you know, that's not a lot. It'd also give her a lot more character depth than "Oh, huh, this dude tried to kill me and stole MY book. Whatever, at least I'm alive ^^ no need to engage in a fight or so! (✿◠‿◠)"
(if she IS alive, anyways)
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I want to just say that ever since BBS I said that having an X on your clothing was Nomura's way of saying something bad was gonna happen to you. When we got our first look at Sora and Riku's DDD designs the thing I immediately honed in on is the giant X on his shirt and made this whole joke theory about how the X was actually this super ominous thing that was marking Sora for disaster like the BBS crew....I will say I was surprised when that turned out to be literally true. And now we finally have a character bare sigil on their clothing and they were "killed" in two weeks and thus I must say never has being right felt so awful. I digress....
The idea that Strelitzia could come back for revenge and that's what causes her to betray the other Union leaders is an interesting one to say the least. Like maybe her heart goes to the player (ala Kairi, Eraqus, Ventus) and she then breaks the rule of not telling the truth to the player so she can get help in stopping Marluxia. Which is ultimately what causes all sorts of strife and the dandelions to become a mess.
I will say something Marluxia's title "the graceful assassin" just got a whole lot more meaningful. >_>
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Oh. My. God. I really felt for Strelitzia; so hoped she would meet the Player... They gave her that sad but nice introduction... just to kill her off like that? Wow. That's harsh, even for Kingdom Hearts D:
But at least, we know now that Marluxia was as sh*tty as his human self <.< That guy, urgh. Glad to finally meet the human behind Marluxia, but I already hate him.
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We all know this is true. (from KHi's KHUX twitter)
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Well even as a nobody you still retain most of your personality from your original self. It appears Marluxia was always an asshole. So him being the graceful assassin does have a lot more meaning now, but in my eyes he ain't graceful at all.
Still it breaks my heart to see her go out like that. It's honestly not fair, but that's what Kingdom Hearts is about. It only gets darker from here.
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I want to just say that ever since BBS I said that having an X on your clothing was Nomura's way of saying something bad was gonna happen to you. When we got our first look at Sora and Riku's DDD designs the thing I immediately honed in on is the giant X on his shirt and made this whole joke theory about how the X was actually this super ominous thing that was marking Sora for disaster like the BBS crew....I will say I was surprised when that turned out to be literally true. And now we finally have a character bare sigil on their clothing and they were "killed" in two weeks and thus I must say never has being right felt so awful. I digress....
The idea that Strelitzia could come back for revenge and that's what causes her to betray the other Union leaders is an interesting one to say the least. Like maybe her heart goes to the player (ala Kairi, Eraqus, Ventus) and she then breaks the rule of not telling the truth to the player so she can get help in stopping Marluxia. Which is ultimately what causes all sorts of strife and the dandelions to become a mess.
I will say something Marluxia's title "the graceful assassin" just got a whole lot more meaningful. >_>
Don't you think that would kinda ruin her character? She doesnt seem like the revenge type..
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No I think it would make her a real person instead of an accessory.
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No I think it would make her a real person instead of an accessory.
This. I'm tired of this whole "okay, this character is like this and is always like it. Can never have any other emotions"-stuff. Humans have emotions and they are unpredictable. I don't think it's too-far fetched at all to believe she would want revenge.
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It could be her or it could just be Marluxia that's the traitor. He probably gained enough knowledge to plan and betray the Union. What other reason could there be to kill the cutie pie and replace her?
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But at least, we know now that Marluxia was as sh*tty as his human self <.< That guy, urgh. Glad to finally meet the human behind Marluxia, but I already hate him.
What makes you think Lauriam killed her?
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What makes you think Lauriam killed her?
Lauriam had to be part of it. Strelitzia was going to be the 5th leader and somehow he shows up.
I could see that maybe it wasn't him, but some mysterious figure and appointed lauriam as the leader, but why?
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It's also like… if he's the one who did that to her, how did Lauriam know she was a Union Leader?
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He must of been stalking Ava that's the only way he could have known. Or this is ANOTHER one of the MoM's tricks with him personally choosing Marluxia or whoever to go kill and replace Strelitzia after having given Ava the list. But I blame enough on the MoM without needing to get him involved with this.
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This. I'm tired of this whole "okay, this character is like this and is always like it. Can never have any other emotions"-stuff. Humans have emotions and they are unpredictable. I don't think it's too-far fetched at all to believe she would want revenge.
Except people in this series don't do a massive 180 after just being introduced.
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Lauriam had to be part of it. Strelitzia was going to be the 5th leader and somehow he shows up.
I could see that maybe it wasn't him, but some mysterious figure and appointed lauriam as the leader, but why?
All I'm saying is that Lauriam isn't the only suspicious character in the new five.
A certain someone else also asked for clarification about the book of laws (which Ava should have already explained), and expected to be the last one to show up.
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Except people in this series don't do a massive 180 after just being introduced.
Well, who says that that can't change?
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Except people in this series don't do a massive 180 after just being introduced.
Riku did a complete 180. I'm pretty sure anyone would want to take revenge. Revenge is also something not out of character.
All I'm saying is that Lauriam isn't the only suspicious character in the new five.
A certain someone else also asked for clarification about the book of laws (which Ava should have already explained), and expected to be the last one to show up.
Maybe it's the one in the hood? I think there was supposed to be another character that was part of the 5 as well in nomura's sketches that had some cloak on.
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All I'm saying is that Lauriam isn't the only suspicious character in the new five.
A certain someone else also asked for clarification about the book of laws (which Ava should have already explained), and expected to be the last one to show up.
(Are we sure his name is Lauriam?)
Well, if it is not him... It could be Blaine? Or even Ventus? We never saw them meeting Ava like the others.
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I mean, it could only have been Lauriam or someone we don't know. Everyone else is already there, together, and I don't think this is a flashback.
Anyways, I rewatched the footage, and I doubt Strelitzia comes back (;'(), we see her heart floating to the sky. Suppose the traitor is Lauriam then?
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(Are we sure his name is Lauriam?)
Well, if it is not him... It could be Blaine? Or even Ventus? We never saw them meeting Ava like the others.
My money is on Blaine, and introducing Lauriam like this is a red herring.
And yes, I feel safe in using that as his name. The Japanese is ラーリアム(Raariamu). Lauriam gets the same sound while also keeping the all the right letters for Marluxia.[FONT=Verdana]
I mean, it could only have been Lauriam or someone we don't know. Everyone else is already there, together, and I don't think this is a flashback.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]
Strelitzia's cutscenes were before the War took place. Cementing this, she gets worried about Player, who is not a Dandelion, because they presumably won't survive the end of the world.[/FONT]
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Only way I see Strelitzia coming back is her becoming a heartless or something. Were nobodies created back then?
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Why assume Sterlitzia is dead? she could be unconscious.
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I mean, it could only have been Lauriam or someone we don't know. Everyone else is already there, together, and I don't think this is a flashback.
Anyways, I rewatched the footage, and I doubt Strelitzia comes back (;'(), we see her heart floating to the sky. Suppose the traitor is Lauriam then?
Yeah Im sure she's confirmed dead as soon as I saw the heart float. Which makes it even more sad because there's no hope she'll come back unless her heart finds her way to the player (us). That's only wishful thinking though.
I'm keen on believing that the traitor is Luariam though unless Nomura surprises us again.
Why assume Sterlitzia is dead? she could be unconscious.
No one's heart floats when they're knocked out. :c
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Why assume Sterlitzia is dead? she could be unconscious.
Maybe you didn't see it (I had to rewatch it to spot it), but we see her heart float to the sky.
Yeah Im sure she's confirmed dead as soon as I saw the heart float. Which makes it even more sad because there's no hope she'll come back unless her heart finds her way to the player (us). That's only wishful thinking though.
I'm keen on believing that the traitor is Luariam though unless Nomura surprises us again.
Completely agreed
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My money is on Blaine, and introducing Lauriam like this is a red herring.
And yes, I feel safe in using that as his name. The Japanese is ラーリアム(Raariamu). Lauriam gets the same sound while also keeping the all the right letters for Marluxia.[FONT=Verdana]After she's struck down, the next scene is "a few days later"
Strelitzia's cutscenes were before the War took place. Cementing this, she gets worried about Player, who is not a Dandelion, because they presumably won't survive the end of the world.[/FONT]
Could be Lariamu too? I mean, I'm not a specialist but it looks similar enough, no?
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Yeah Im sure she's confirmed dead as soon as I saw the heart float. Which makes it even more sad because there's no hope she'll come back unless her heart finds her way to the player (us). That's only wishful thinking though.
I'm keen on believing that the traitor is Luariam though unless Nomura surprises us again.
No one's heart floats when they're knocked out. :c
What if Marluxia was sent by the master of Masters to kill or turn the dandelions into heartless, succeeded with the four, but Ventus manages to escape, leading him into the future (BBS era)?
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What if Marluxia was sent by the master of Masters to kill or turn the dandelions into heartless, succeeded with the four, but Ventus manages to escape, leading him into the future (BBS era)?
Could be possible. MoM somehow has a plan for everything and he even knows that there is a traitor. So maybe he did plan this all along just to get the leaders all worried and confused.
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man who writes this shit? lmao it really is the worst presentation KH has ever had to offer, sans v cast. I've always thought Marluxia was cool and to have him reestablished 14 years later in THIS seems unfair
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Wow, that was the cheapest ploy KH's storytelling ever produced.
"Aww, isn't this girl you've just met cute? What a cutie... oh no she's gone! Aren't you sad? And now suddenly Marluxia! ZAN ZAN ZAAAAANNNN!"
This is some late seasons Game of Thrones level of cheap. Killing off a character just met (so, an expendable one) to generate feels and the feeling the plot is moving fast and things are happening.
Not okay with this.
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Wow, that was the cheapest ploy KH's storytelling ever produced.
"Aww, isn't this girl you've just met cute? What a cutie... oh no she's gone! Aren't you sad? And now suddenly Marluxia! ZAN ZAN ZAAAAANNNN!"
This is some late seasons Game of Thrones level of cheap. Killing off a character just met (so, an expendable one) to generate feels and the feeling the plot is moving fast and things are happening.
Not okay with this.
Full agreement .
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I'm going to admit, I do feel Marluxia's somebody (waiting for full translation) might be a red herring.
As the figure that attacked her was shadowed, we don't know it was him. For all we know it could have been Ventus or Blaine, as we don't know their background.
Or maybe even Pete.....ok, that's not happening. Weird image though.
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Well, colour me surprised. I like where this is going. Granted, I would have loved to see what was going to happen with Striletzia, but oh well. Just because she's "dead" doesn't mean that she's permanently gone. She could have had a nobody created because she had a strong heart.
man who writes this shit? lmao it really is the worst presentation KH has ever had to offer, sans v cast. I've always thought Marluxia was cool and to have him reestablished 14 years later in THIS seems unfair
Wow, that was the cheapest ploy KH's storytelling ever produced.
"Aww, isn't this girl you've just met cute? What a cutie... oh no she's gone! Aren't you sad? And now suddenly Marluxia! ZAN ZAN ZAAAAANNNN!"
This is some late seasons Game of Thrones level of cheap. Killing off a character just met (so, an expendable one) to generate feels and the feeling the plot is moving fast and things are happening.
Not okay with this.
Marluxia, The Graceful Assassin. The same Marluxia that's connoted with the Grim Reaper and the concept of death, and you find this to be out of the blue? I'm the complete opposite, why call Marluxia the Graceful Assassin if he's never outright killed anybody?
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Marluxia, The Graceful Assassin. The same Marluxia that's connoted with the Grim Reaper and the concept of death, and you find this to be out of the blue? I'm the complete opposite, why call Marluxia the Graceful Assassin if he's never outright killed anybody?
I don't think I've said anything about me being surprised that Marluxia killed someone, I complained about a completely different thing.
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After thinking a bit, it's certainly also possible that Blaine is the one who took her book. For all we know, Lauriam could be on MoM's list and Blaine​ is the faker/killer
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Wait, so Japan got two story updates within a couple weeks span of each other yet it took over a month for us just to finish Castle of Dreams??
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Wait... I get it!
This is Nomura's answer to all those people that wanted her to be Kairi's Grandma!
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Wait, so Japan got two story updates within a couple weeks span of each other yet it took over a month for us just to finish Castle of Dreams??
No, they just split the one update into two.
We got 10 quests a couple weeks ago, and 5 quests today. 15 total for the month, as usual.
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After thinking a bit, it's certainly also possible that Blaine is the one who took her book. For all we know, Lauriam could be on MoM's list and Blaine​ is the faker/killer
Nope, it's definitely Lauriam that striked her.
https://twitter.com/Keytotruth/status/900654917437845504
The Graceful Assassin assassinated somebody. This makes me wonder, what if Striletzia's heart was strong enough to create the very first Nobody in existence?
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No, they just split the one update into two.
We got 10 quests a couple weeks ago, and 5 quests today. 15 total for the month, as usual.
Ahhh idk, maybe it's just because I'm salty at SENA but I still feel gipped. I know Japan is farther along in the story than the English but it feels like we barely scratch the surface as far as story progression goes comparatively.
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Nooo Strelitzia! If they had to get rid of someone why not that boring Zexion 2.0 why best girl :l She better get a nobody they can't just make the cutest design ever and then just kill her off in the next update. Not fair. The only good thing about this is that my boy Marly is looking fabulous but really. Why Strelitzia.
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Nope, it's definitely Lauriam that striked her.
https://twitter.com/Keytotruth/status/900654917437845504
The Graceful Assassin assassinated somebody. This makes me wonder, what if Striletzia's heart was strong enough to create the very first Nobody in existence?
How are you so sure? He could be a red herring for all we know. Please, stop being so sure of things that you cannot be sure of, seriously.
The idea about her Nobody is interesting though.
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So going by the stuff from the earlier interview snippets I suppose the pink-haired "new" 5th leader who's apparently Marluxia's human form is the "unknown character" who was spoken of in the sketch of the five leaders where Strelitzia was noted to be completely absent.
Now we know why...well, and I can't say it is the most original plot point ever.
Since the other Dandelion leaders apparently didn't know who else was chosen they can't even get suspicious that an "impostor" came around.
That still leaves the new "Coaty" though and it is yet unclear who attacked Strelitzia from the shadows.
I don't know why but I got some similar vibes to the scene in original Chi where Ephemer was in the Foreteller's tower and from the shadows came yet another Coaty. The scene cut away before anything happened though unlike here.
Even if "Lauriam" (is that another flower? Dunno, I only know that Lauriam is an actual existing given name possibly originiating with kabbalistic mythology.) has the rule book it doesn't automatically mean he did the deed himself as Strelitzia's attacker could also have given it to him posing as Ava.
Who says Ava is the only one to have illusion powers and can appear as someone else?
I find it also somewhat ironic in that Strelitzia takes her name from a flower and Lauriam/Marluxia is commonly associated with flowers/the flower element.
On the execution I have to agree with Darkos that this feels a little like how the newer Game of Thrones TV-seasons (after Season 4) just kill off characters for the shock value and to avoid having to allocate screentime to display other solutions.
Here in KH though it's done even more drastically with a just introduced character. Somehow reminds me of the opening stages of Final Fantasy XII where you play as Reks only during the tutorial and he gets then killed off immediately at the end.
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How are you so sure? He could be a red herring for all we know. Please, stop being so sure of things that you cannot be sure of, seriously.
Muke, did you not click the link? it's the translations for the cutscene... He literally says "I'm terribly sorry to have made you wait. I was late because looking for something. My name is Lariam, nice to meet you".
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Muke, did you not click the link? it's the translations for the cutscene... He literally says "I'm terribly sorry to have made you wait. I was late because looking for something. My name is Lariam, nice to meet you".
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Muke, did you not click the link? it's the translations for the cutscene... He literally says "I'm terribly sorry to have made you wait. I was late because looking for something. My name is Lariam, nice to meet you".
Which proves nothing in regards to Strelitzia's attacker or anything relating to it? Is it possible or even probable? Yes. Is it "clear" or confirmed? No.
What you do is called "jumping to conclusions" and frankly it is not the first time.
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Muke, did you not click the link? it's the translations for the cutscene... He literally says "I'm terribly sorry to have made you wait. I was late because looking for something. My name is Lariam, nice to meet you".
Although he was looking for something it doesn't actually state what he was looking for. That could also be part of the Red Herring if he is one.
For all we know he could have been looking for his scythe.
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Really interested in how much of these first stage translations is going to be accurate.
Seems like whoever did the job shouldn't even be in the Dandelions in the first place, even though I struggle to see how can you infiltrate in such a group.
Eh, maybe it's too early for thinking about this.
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… ugh. How does that confirm anything at all?? Do you know what a red herring is? For all you know, he could have been searching for some flower or whatever. What about Blaine, who expected himself to be the last one?
Which proves nothing in regards to Strelitzia's attacker or anything relating to it? Is it possible or even probable? Yes. Is it "clear" or confirmed? No.
What you do is called "jumping to conclusions" and frankly it is not the first time.
Except that Marluxia is referred to as "The Graceful Assassin". What's the point of having that title if he didn't kill anybody? Yeah, I get that I jump to conclusions sometimes, but using the whole "Red Herring" thing is illogical when "The Graceful Assassin" "assassinates" somebody.
Although he was looking for something it doesn't actually state what he was looking for. That could also be part of the Red Herring if he is one.
For all we know he could have been looking for his scythe.
... I really don't know what to make of the Scythe anymore. I was under the assumption that it was a weapon exclusive to his nobody.
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Except that Marluxia is referred to as "The Graceful Assassin". What's the point of having that title if he didn't kill anybody? Yeah, I get that I jump to conclusions sometimes, but using the whole "Red Herring" thing is illogical when "The Graceful Assassin" "assassinates" somebody.
... I really don't know what to make of the Scythe anymore. I was under the assumption that it was a weapon exclusive to his nobody.
The Graceful Assassin title was likely given to him when he joined the Organisation. I seriously doubt he was called it before he joined, same with the other members and their titles.
And maybe he lost the ability to wield a keyblade somehow. We don't know what's going to happen.
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The Graceful Assassin title was likely given to him when he joined the Organisation. I seriously doubt he was called it before he joined, same with the other members and their titles.
And maybe he lost the ability to wield a keyblade somehow. We don't know what's going to happen.
But Blaine is known as the Sharpshooter, and he was shooting sharp with arrow guns before he allied with Xehanort in Birth by Sleep (assuming that he met with the old man for the first time in that game). So I definitely think that their titles and associations are linked to both their nobodies and somebodies.
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But Blaine is known as the Sharpshooter, and he was shooting sharp with arrow guns before he allied with Xehanort in Birth by Sleep (assuming that he met with the old man for the first time in that game).
Not sure why you think Blaine is Braig.
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But Blaine is known as the Sharpshooter, and he was shooting sharp with arrow guns before he allied with Xehanort in Birth by Sleep (assuming that he met with the old man for the first time in that game). So I definitely think that their titles and associations are linked to both their nobodies and somebodies.
I think you meant Braig.
And I doubt Lea had the power of Fire or Isa had Lunar/Berserker powers before they became nobodies. Xemnas was likely responsible for giving these titles and gave them from the knowledge he had on each nobody when he first met them. Maybe Xemnas saw scythes being useful for assassination?
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Not sure why you think Blaine is Braig.
Cut me some slack, you knew I made a typo there :P
I think you meant Braig.
And I doubt Lea had the power of Fire or Isa had Lunar/Berserker powers before they became nobodies. Xemnas was likely responsible for giving these titles and gave them from the knowledge he had on each nobody when he first met them. Maybe Xemnas saw scythes being useful for assassination?
I suppose you raise a valid point there. But then again, we only know so much of the former Organization XIII members to draw a conclusion like that.
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One thing for sure is that
Strelitzia want the player to join the dandelions
So one possibility is that someone spreads false information about where the player is and her chrithy believed that and led her there only to be finished by someone .
About the questions about ava , I think blaine has just doubt about if it is okay to deceive other dandelions about the wars rather than not knowig anything , it is also possible that blaine is the one who attacks her or even him and marluxia are comrades ,
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Lol wow they actually did something like this. Now the union has 4 boys...just so disappointing. We already had a lack of females and they killed off one that had one of the best designs.
I can only hope she comes back somehow and assuming Marluxia killed her, would have been great to see his reaction to her and her out for revenge or something.
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So, I got a question.
Is it too soon for memes?
Lol wow they actually did something like this. Now the union has 4 boys...just so disappointing. We already had a lack of females and they killed off one that had one of the best designs.
Hey.
No mattere what anyone says, Blaine being a trap still isn't impossible.
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Never soon enough for memes. Here's a vid that's not too funny but funny enough.
[video=youtube;du0k-3Z8_OA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0k-3Z8_OA&feature=youtu.be[/video]
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Except that Marluxia is referred to as "The Graceful Assassin". What's the point of having that title if he didn't kill anybody? Yeah, I get that I jump to conclusions sometimes, but using the whole "Red Herring" thing is illogical when "The Graceful Assassin" "assassinates" somebody.
A title that refers to his present-day Nobody form as far as we know. Assigning it any deeper meaning beyond that is also a form of jumping to conclusions as so far none of the titles given to any of the Organisation members had any real importance beyond fitting the metaphorical theme of their abilities and weapons.
Not to mention that the true "assassin" of the Org and the one actually commanding the aptly named "Assassin"- Nobodies was Axel, a counter example to the whole "importance of their titles"-interpretation.
The Graceful Assassin title was likely given to him when he joined the Organisation. I seriously doubt he was called it before he joined, same with the other members and their titles.
And maybe he lost the ability to wield a keyblade somehow. We don't know what's going to happen.
Most likely, I am also cautious with actually assigning that much importance to the titles the Org members wielded as so far none of them held truly narrative-level importance.
There's no doubt that Marluxia (the present day-version, not the X-version, as just like with Ventus we got only one single scene so far with Lauriam) is rather graceful in behaviour and the way he talks and that his primary weapon (and the sakura petals which the english version stupidly changed to roses) are symbols of death, but these are thematic elements which his title reflects.
We know from Ansem SoD that it is possible to lose your wielding ability indeed, although I'd say the implication given the other way around is more "severe" so to say as in that Marluxia is a potential "real" Keyblade Wielder too.
In hindsight, this casts an ironic light on why he was so fascinated with the Keyblade in CoM and Days and wanted its power to be his own, because it could represent him longing to get back what he once already had.
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Never soon enough for memes. Here's a vid that's not too funny but funny enough.
[video=youtube;du0k-3Z8_OA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0k-3Z8_OA&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Golden.
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Golden.
Glad you like it xD
Perfect.
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We still don't know much about Chirithy though. It could be HIS heart that we see.
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We still don't know much about Chirithy though. It could be HIS heart that we see.
Not really, Dream Eaters and Nightmares don't release hearts when they die
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Hey.
No mattere what anyone says, Blaine being a trap still isn't impossible.
Please Nomura.
The fact that she didn't even get to meet the player just gets me more annoyed lol. Like why u do dis.
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I agree that it's pretty easy to see Marly as the traitor. Given his Org name, shady personality, and flowerly glam, I think he did kill Stre...zela...
Anyway, just being the devil's advocate and throwing out some possibilities. There are only 3 instances where we saw Ava approve a new leader or invite them to be a dandelion personally or be involved with her at all. That was Ephemera, Skuld, and... Strez...ilia....? The ones who just showed up claiming to be a new leader were Ven, Blaine, and Marly.
I don't think cinnamon roll Ven is a traitor, but Blaine is not exactly off the hook for possibly being a traitor.
Something else that I wanted to bring up and might make a new thread about, people are complaining about time travel. Technically yeah, obviously some of these characters were thrust into the future somehow, but this is not going to be typical time travel. I don't think any of these characters are going to get spit into the future on purpose or rather, I don't think they're going to be like Xehanort and purposely end up in the future carrying out their plans.
I still firmly believe some kind of second disaster is going to take place and the characters we recognized (such as Ven and Marly and possibly Blaine) will be... 'reborn'. They'll end up in the future, but not quite as how they used to be and with little to no memory of what happened to them or where they're from. Ven somehow ended up in the future and ended up in Xehanort's grip. If Blaine is Ienzo, he was reduced to a wee bab and seems rather meh about life. Then we have Marly who we assume was a keyblade wielder who later is no longer a wielder and doesn't seem to have much knowledge of anything just like everyone else.
I think even if these are the same characters... I don't think their past... 'selves' have played a part in the story (for example, I don't think Marly has been planning stuff since the time of Chi all the way to now). If anything, these characters will only later discover their past and even then it won't mean much. (which begs to question why they are there in the first place.)
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But, he's technically not even supposed to be there since Dreameaters are only supposed to be in the realm of sleep. Something else could be going on.
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But, he's technically not even supposed to be there since Dreameaters are only supposed to be in the realm of sleep. Something else could be going on.
I'm going to wait for KH III and how will it address the Norts being in the real world before thinking about that.
There's gotta be some loophole or something.
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But, he's technically not even supposed to be there since Dreameaters are only supposed to be in the realm of sleep. Something else could be going on.
I'm going to wait for KH III and how will it address the Norts being in the real world before thinking about that.
There's gotta be some loophole or something.
There is a loophole, Chirithy is a man-made Dream Eater. It was birthed in the real world so it's able to live in both the real world and the Dream Realm.
On an entirely separate note. I honestly don't think that Striletzia is gone for good. In either the Dengeki or Famitsu interview, it was shown that Nomura created an anniversary piece featuring her. If you have promotional art created by Nomura then you have importance.
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There is a loophole, Chirithy is a man-made Dream Eater. It was birthed in the real world so it's able to live in both the real world and the Dream Realm.
On an entirely separate note. I honestly don't think that Striletzia is gone for good. In either the Dengeki or Famitsu interview, it was shown that Nomura created an anniversary piece featuring her. If you have promotional art created by Nomura then you have importance.
He showed the interviewer a sketch of Strelitzia, ONLY of Strelitzia. When he showed the interviewer the illustration for the "main event", Strelitzia was missing.
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He showed the interviewer a sketch of Strelitzia, ONLY of Strelitzia. When he showed the interviewer the illustration for the "main event", Strelitzia was missing.
The fact that she even had a sketch to begin with shows that she has more importance than we're initially assuming.
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The fact that she even had a sketch to begin with shows that she has more importance than we're initially assuming.
uh wat? Of course he has a sketch of her, he has a sketch of every character... how else would he come up with the design and all. That doesn't mean she is undoubtedly important to the story.
Well, there is a trio called hayner pence and olette which has no importance to the story besides giving roxas false memory so there is a possibility that
Strelitzia is just created to show there is traitor/traitors though I hope this is not the case
Hey guys! English subs are now available thanks to goldpanner! OP updated with translations~
[video=youtube;xXZ3eS804T4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXZ3eS804T4[/video]
[video=youtube;8KGPQbZ3QWg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KGPQbZ3QWg[/video]
Can someone tell me why all thease major plotpoint happening in the phone game
like jesus square this is not fair...
[SPOILER]Also i assume the orginal group of masters never had a traitor then did they[/SPOILER]
And if this is person is marluxia does that mean the antagonist for the next series will be him since it is said that xenahort saga will end in kingdom hearts 3.
That was fast! Thanks gold!
EDIT: so... this might be the most confirmed ship in the whole franchise.
Also screw it, I'm back to suspecting Chirithy. Really suspicious.
That was fast! Thanks gold!
EDIT: so... this might be the most confirmed ship in the whole franchise.
Also screw it, I'm back to suspecting Chirithy. Really suspicious.
Wait, which ship are we talking about? Strelitzia x Player?
Wait, which ship are we talking about? Strelitzia x Player?
*thinks about 10 dark jokes*
Yup. Apparently she had a thing for them.
I dont even know this person and i am sad
Yo
[SPOILER]I was down for this team, I knew it would not last but danm[SPOILER]
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Nomura then: "Finally, with 1.5+2.5 and 2.8, the entire KH story is accessible on one console."
Now: "Actually--"
:mad:
That was fast! Thanks gold!
EDIT: so... this might be the most confirmed ship in the whole franchise.
Also screw it, I'm back to suspecting Chirithy. Really suspicious.
Really? Chrithy? interesting. How come you think Chirithy's are not to be trusted?
Really? Chrithy? interesting. How come you think Chirithy's are not to be trusted?
Can someone tell me why all thease major plotpoint happening in the phone game
like jesus square this is not fair...
[SPOILER]Also i assume the orginal group of masters never had a traitor then did they[/SPOILER]
So much for "the whole story being accessible in one place", huh?
As for the thingy in spoiler tags, it was widely theorized even back before Union X even existed that this was the case and the Foretellers were just played/manipulated into everything and that's what also started the war.
Also screw it, I'm back to suspecting Chirithy. Really suspicious.
You mean Strelitzia's Chirithy? Because it guided Strelitzia to that abandoned house?
Speaking of it, that house, is this actually the very same place where Skuld and Player talked with Gula shortly before the war broke out?
The scene where Gula quotes some passages of the Lost Page and how he followed the wrong leads and thus failed to prevent the catastrophe?
All of Strelitzia's scenes seem to be flashbacks to the original Browser-Chi so maybe all this happened just Days before Skuld and Player came there to talk with Lord Gula?
Nomura then: "Finally, with 1.5+2.5 and 2.8, the entire KH story is accessible on one console."
Now: "Actually--"
:mad:
Yea, that's my biggest pet peeve with the whole thing in all honesty.
I just hope they'll do another "Back Cover"-like thing with Union Cross along the ride somehow like i.e. three months before KH III release or something for a small price.
Of course Ardyn would have been the bad guy..
I just hope they'll do another "Back Cover"-like thing with Union Cross along the ride somehow like i.e. three months before KH III release or something for a small price.
And this time, answer questions. I don't want them to leave a single thing out or even raise new questions again
Also why does Nomura hate having more than 1 woman in a group?
Really? Chrithy? interesting. How come you think Chirithy's are not to be trusted?
You mean Strelitzia's Chirithy? Because it guided Strelitzia to that abandoned house?
Pretty much.
Chirithy apparently saw the player going into that totally not creepy and perfect for ambushes house, but it quickly said "Oh okay, no one's here, I guess I was wrong lolol"
Then, the shadow attacks, and it says "Ah."
Given that's still an unofficial translation I won't take it for granted, but... you don't say "Ah." when you see a shadow sneaking behind your "master".
Then the "why..." it's really ambiguous. It can be just a simple exclamation, but sometimes it can be "why was I involved too"
I'm aware this is all wishful thinking, and it's unlikely, especially since Chirithy do die anyway when their master is gone (then again, Kingdom Hearts isn't really new to negating deaths).
Still... I was always suspicious of Chirithy. It's a feeling I can't shake off.
So much for "the whole story being accessible in one place", huh?
As for the thingy in spoiler tags, it was widely theorized even back before Union X even existed that this was the case and the Foretellers were just played/manipulated into everything and that's what also started the war.
You mean Strelitzia's Chirithy? Because it guided Strelitzia to that abandoned house?
Speaking of it, that house, is this actually the very same place where Skuld and Player talked with Gula shortly before the war broke out?
The scene where Gula quotes some passages of the Lost Page and how he followed the wrong leads and thus failed to prevent the catastrophe?
All of Strelitzia's scenes seem to be flashbacks to the original Browser-Chi so maybe all this happened just Days before Skuld and Player came there to talk with Lord Gula?
Yea, that's my biggest pet peeve with the whole thing in all honesty.
I just hope they'll do another "Back Cover"-like thing with Union Cross along the ride somehow like i.e. three months before KH III release or something for a small price.
Thease revelations are making me shake, how will they dispense all of this story in KH3 without info dumps of DDD
That's the player's Chirithy though. I get that they can turn into Nightmares and lead their Wielders to Darkness, but I was expecting more reasons to be suspicious of them outside their biological functions as Dream Eaters.
Yea, that's my biggest pet peeve with the whole thing in all honesty.
I just hope they'll do another "Back Cover"-like thing with Union Cross along the ride somehow like i.e. three months before KH III release or something for a small price.
I'd just go one step further and create a playable game called Kingdom Hearts Re:Union X. The differed narratives of the existing Disney worlds, and the game play mechanics of the game are different enough to warrant it being a fully playable experience. I feel that limiting it to cutscenes wouldn't do this mammoth entry justice anymore.
Pretty much.
Chirithy apparently saw the player going into that totally not creepy and perfect for ambushes house, but it quickly said "Oh okay, no one's here, I guess I was wrong lolol"
Then, the shadow attacks, and it says "Ah."
Given that's still an unofficial translation I won't take it for granted, but... you don't say "Ah." when you see a shadow sneaking behind your "master".
Then the "why..." it's really ambiguous. It can be just a simple exclamation, but sometimes it can be "why was I involved too"
I'm aware this is all wishful thinking, and it's unlikely, especially since Chirithy do die anyway when their master is gone (then again, Kingdom Hearts isn't really new to negating deaths).
Still... I was always suspicious of Chirithy. It's a feeling I can't shake off.
I'm sorry, I really don't buy into this. Unless Striletzia's Chirithy wanted to sever its bond with Strelitzia and had to get rid of her to do so, I don't see why Chirithy would intentionally endanger their master.
Anyone else starting to think that Marluxia being sent to Castle Oblivion was more than coincidence? And that Marluxia is going to return fully in KHIII? I mean, the pieces are all there. Ventus and Lauriam were Union Leaders, with Lauriam clearly a traitor. Ventus is currently asleep in Castle Oblivion, and Marluxia was sent there. Maybe when Xemnas had him sent there he knew more than he was letting on? That the two have a connection and Xemnas thought it might lead to finding Ventus faster? Then there's the Marluxia-themed Lesser Nobodies in the KHIII trailer. I think up til now we figured Xemnas shenanigans but...what if he's back for real? What if he's a Nort!? My mind is spinning at the possibilities here.
Anyone else starting to think that Marluxia being sent to Castle Oblivion was more than coincidence? And that Marluxia is going to return fully in KHIII? I mean, the pieces are all there. Ventus and Lauriam were Union Leaders, with Lauriam clearly a traitor. Ventus is currently asleep in Castle Oblivion, and Marluxia was sent there. Maybe when Xemnas had him sent there he knew more than he was letting on? That the two have a connection and Xemnas thought it might lead to finding Ventus faster? Then there's the Marluxia-themed Lesser Nobodies in the KHIII trailer. I think up til now we figured Xemnas shenanigans but...what if he's back for real? What if he's a Nort!? My mind is spinning at the possibilities here.
Anyone else starting to think that Marluxia being sent to Castle Oblivion was more than coincidence? And that Marluxia is going to return fully in KHIII? I mean, the pieces are all there. Ventus and Lauriam were Union Leaders, with Lauriam clearly a traitor. Ventus is currently asleep in Castle Oblivion, and Marluxia was sent there. Maybe when Xemnas had him sent there he knew more than he was letting on? That the two have a connection and Xemnas thought it might lead to finding Ventus faster? Then there's the Marluxia-themed Lesser Nobodies in the KHIII trailer. I think up til now we figured Xemnas shenanigans but...what if he's back for real? What if he's a Nort!? My mind is spinning at the possibilities here.
You know what, I just had an epiphany. I've been mentioning multiple times that Striletzia heart would be strong enough to become a nobody. What if she ends up in the present day (Kingdom Hearts III era) as a nobody, and joins the Seekers of Darkness? Xehanort would motivate her by stating that Marluxia is an enemy, and a traitor of the former group. Striletzia has nothing to lose because the player doesn't exist in the present era, so she accepts the invitation. Of course, she may not know Marluxia's name, but they could give a guide as to what he looks like in order for her to exact revenge.
It's probably been theorized countless times but I'm still holding onto the idea that the traitor could either be no one or everyone. The back story was plagued with distrust and/or paranoia between leaders; I think there may be a case of Chinese whispers between the current 5 (possibly by Luxu?), that turn everyone against each other.
I did theorize once it's the player but I don't think that adds up...
Mother of plottwists, I am speechless. I know this is KH but wow, Nomura, you got me on this one. My mind crumbled to dust.
To give Marluxia's somebody SUCH an important role in the KH plot... and to literally give Strelitzia 2 seconds of screentime to breathe and then kill her off... dear Eos, I think I'm hallucinating.
What the hell, why do I feel the urgent need to rewatch all the Marluxia scenes from CoM now and read all his texts from Days too, just to check if there's any possible clue on...
...well on this f*cked up hella important Somebody he had. Lauriam must know a shitton of stuff, and yet Marluxia... ...
brb collecting the shards of my understanding of KH plot
You know what, I just had an epiphany. I've been mentioning multiple times that Striletzia heart would be strong enough to become a nobody. What if she ends up in the present day (Kingdom Hearts III era) as a nobody, and joins the Seekers of Darkness? Xehanort would motivate her by stating that Marluxia is an enemy, and a traitor of the former group. Striletzia has nothing to lose because the player doesn't exist in the present era, so she accepts the invitation. Of course, she may not know Marluxia's name, but they could give a guide as to what he looks like in order for her to exact revenge.
Well, given that there's still a few unknown members of the New Organization it's certainly possible. The one nagging suspicion that I have is that she might not have seen him fully. All we saw was a shadowy figure, and the house was pretty dark so he might've been obscured to her too. But I wouldn't put it past Xehanort to recruit someone who had come from that era. Hell, I wouldn't put it past Xehanort to recruit both of them somehow. I mean, we'll be fighting those Scythe Nobodies, so no matter what form Marly is returning in he's not gonna be an ally. So he's either a Nort or a third party.
As for Strelitzia...her becoming a Nobody is very likely. But you know what would make things really interesting? If she was essentially the First Nobody, had in fact seen Lauriam, and returned in that same timeline to get revenge. Maybe even summoning the Nobodies of those who became Darklings as Dusk soldiers, meaning the Player would have to fight both Heartless and Nobodies to defend the Leaders (assuming that Player wakes up eventually and remembers everything). It would build up to the reveal of Lauriam as the traitor pretty well while adding in new gameplay elements.
And this time, answer questions. I don't want them to leave a single thing out or even raise new questions again
They certainly won't reveal anything or clear up things that are meant to be addressed in KH III proper.
If there is a second "Back Cover"-esque thingy what I would expect (or rather: demand) for it to do is to retell the events happening in Union Cross so all those not following the phone cashgrave can experience them, essentially what the first Back Cover originally was supposed to do.
Agreement on the no more new plot points though. The whole issue with that stupid box was so unneccessary to add in light of what already is on the plate without it.
Also why does Nomura hate having more than 1 woman in a group?
I doubt that it really has to do with such a thing since the original Foretellers worked just fine with two girls among them.
They're just resorting to a very overdone and default plot device right now.
Pretty much.
Chirithy apparently saw the player going into that totally not creepy and perfect for ambushes house, but it quickly said "Oh okay, no one's here, I guess I was wrong lolol"
Then, the shadow attacks, and it says "Ah."
Given that's still an unofficial translation I won't take it for granted, but... you don't say "Ah." when you see a shadow sneaking behind your "master".
Then the "why..." it's really ambiguous. It can be just a simple exclamation, but sometimes it can be "why was I involved too"
I'm aware this is all wishful thinking, and it's unlikely, especially since Chirithy do die anyway when their master is gone (then again, Kingdom Hearts isn't really new to negating deaths).
Still... I was always suspicious of Chirithy. It's a feeling I can't shake off.
Then that particular Chirithy would have to have suicidal thoughts though since Strelitzia's end would also mean its own.
Even if it isn't "involved" with the whole thing it would still fade if she does either way.
Only exception would be if that Chirithy is also a camouflaged Dark Chirithy as those apparently have more independence.
Given that this Chirithy laments that it couldn't protect Strelitzia though the whole issue is pretty ambigious. Maybe Strelitzia's Chirithy was tricked and while knowing the "shadow", it expected a different outcome?
Nonetheless, all these sneaky things happening in the background in the shadows ever since the original Browser-Chi make me question again if there is someone or something pulling strings and machinating events from behind the scenes from the very beginning, and by this I'm not necessarily implying the MoM.
Infiltrating the Dandelions to further follow this "force"'s plans would also be not as unlikely as some may think as when one remembers the last two story updates of Browser-Chi before the last one with the outbreak of the war, the other Foretellers were aware of Ava's Dandelions (at least Invi, Gula and Aced, there was never any indication about Ira, but why would he the only one not to know?).
That being said, I'm also thinking again about Ava's meeting with Luxu and the apparently shocking truth he revealed to her which shook her resolve so badly that against her former conviction she choose to participate in the war after all.
What if Luxu revealed to her that while the current war is indeed unavoidable, the true traitor responsible has already infiltrated her Dandelions and is beyond reach now because they're already in the "Unchained"-realm?
Thease revelations are making me shake, how will they dispense all of this story in KH3 without info dumps of DDD
Beats me.
Thing is though that KH III has already quite some stuff to address even without all this chi-stuff coming additionally on top of it.
The possibilities for who could've become a leader in Strelitzia's place are between Ventus, Blaine, and Lauriam. The Ventus we know is a sweet, innocent, precious child, but he cant be written off as impossible. After all, he did have enough darkness in his heart to create Vanitas before Birth By Sleep. This Ventus is different from the one we know.
I am definitely putting my money on the Lauriam-red-herring angle here.
I am a major Marluxia fan and would love to see him in this ruthless role, but I would lay out my personal stance as follows, some of which taking from folks above:
1) We do not see the actual killer, it is only indirectly implied in the scene following to be Lauriam.
2) Blaine expected to be the last to arrive.
3) Blaine seemed questioning of the rules and book in general.
4) Strelitzia's Chirithy thought it saw Player down that one path. This as evidence relies on two sub-assumptions:
[INDENT]a) Blaine is indeed Ienzo.
b) Ienzo still has some extent of Illusion powers, and thus was able to disguise himself as Player.
[/INDENT]
5) The fact that Blaine is still being super shady about his identity with his hat-shadow and (maybe) clearly altered name is fishy as heck.
I of course am open to being wrong on this, but yeah, those are the main reasons why for now I shall stick with the "Blaine did it and Lauriam is a red herring" theory.
Though I do want to see Lauriam be a monster still...
Speaking of it, that house, is this actually the very same place where Skuld and Player talked with Gula shortly before the war broke out?
The scene where Gula quotes some passages of the Lost Page and how he followed the wrong leads and thus failed to prevent the catastrophe?
All of Strelitzia's scenes seem to be flashbacks to the original Browser-Chi so maybe all this happened just Days before Skuld and Player came there to talk with Lord Gula?
Yes, that is the very same room. The map outside, which is now playable, is identical to the one from the cutscenes, but with a new lower area connecting to the courtyard/bridge area in front of the clock tower
Pretty much.
Chirithy apparently saw the player going into that totally not creepy and perfect for ambushes house, but it quickly said "Oh okay, no one's here, I guess I was wrong lolol"
Then, the shadow attacks, and it says "Ah."
Given that's still an unofficial translation I won't take it for granted, but... you don't say "Ah." when you see a shadow sneaking behind your "master".
Then the "why..." it's really ambiguous. It can be just a simple exclamation, but sometimes it can be "why was I involved too"
No, Chirithy isn't plotting against Strelitzia.
It isn't conveyed in the cutscenes, but the quests do take Player through that area.
The implication being that Strelitzia couldn't quite keep up and lost your trail, going into the empty house instead of the path downward.
It isn't conveyed in the cutscenes, but the quests _do_ take Player through that area.
The implication being that Strelitzia couldn't quite keep up and lost your trail, going into the empty house instead of the path downward.
Ahh I wasn't aware of the quest events, that may count against my point #4 above. Though also maybe not, hard to say.
Please be evil Lauriam! A revenge plot for Marluxia would be ever so sweet! I agree that the fact we don't actually see the killer is fishy and this big reveal could be a red herring, but I'm still holding out hope. I mean there are still the Marluxia themed Nobodies in KH3 and with his somebody given a bigger role in the series it's not that far fetched that he could be a big and evil threat looming in the distance.
It's this kind of storytelling I can't stand.
It's one thing for Ventus who we've seen to have a f#%ked up past and was already in a prequel era game to pop up in the X-era. But Marluxia, a character who's been M.I.A for 13 years and we assumed was just a random asshole? No doubt this was the plan all along.
Kinda gives some new COM perspective, don't it?
I'm real excited to see what Lauriam's keyblades gonna look like.
The possibilities for who could've become a leader in Strelitzia's place are between Ventus, Blaine, and Lauriam. The Ventus we know is a sweet, innocent, precious child, but he cant be written off as impossible. After all, he did have enough darkness in his heart to create Vanitas before Birth By Sleep. This Ventus is different from the one we know.
According to Xehanort though Ventus was "too benign for his own good" from the get-go and the claim that Ventus must have enormous amounts of darkness because Vanitas was created from him is a misunderstanding/misapplication as it is nowhere stated that he had that much darkness.
The chunk missing in his awakening platform which is a symbolization of one's heart was less than a quarter as well.
Yes, that is the very same room. The map outside, which is now playable, is identical to the one from the cutscenes, but with a new lower area connecting to the courtyard/bridge area in front of the clock tower
No, Chirithy isn't plotting against Strelitzia.
It isn't conveyed in the cutscenes, but the quests do take Player through that area.
The implication being that Strelitzia couldn't quite keep up and lost your trail, going into the empty house instead of the path downward.
That's certainly intriguing, makes one wonder where exactly Strelitzia's scenes fall into the timeline of the original Browser-Chi. Player snooping around and investigating together with Skuld was rather close to the "finale" aka the big clash.
Like said, if it's a normal Chirithy it would also be pretty suicidal if it would plan Strelitzia's downfall somehow.
So...doesn't the english translation sorta confirm Strelitzia was the traitor all along? She wasn't supposed to tell people about what was to come especially non-dandelions, it was one of the rules. But she tried to break that rule because she cared for the player so much and thus she went looking for him in a place that allowed her to be easily assassinated. This allowed someone who isn't one of Ava's chosen into the group, be it Blaine or Lauriam, and it's probably from there they will cause a great disaster.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: The 5 leaders meet at last
Wow... so I really was like Strelitzia after all... the flowers in her room, everything... and today, right after I was considering suicide once more and having regrets that I couldn't talk to Nomura, the only person who felt real to me in this world right after I mowed the lawn... this happens. Sigh. I know it's all just a weird coincidence, but... well never mind... this changes nothing.
Oooooooh boooooy....
*breathes* Okay.
Firstly, having "
the whole story being accessible in one place" my big, fat, ass. What just happened is way too important, and I doubt KHIII will be able to properly explain the UX events.
Secondly...I'm...not completely against the killing off of Strelitzia? Okay, how to explain... Yes, it's annoying that she existed so she could be killed off by the traitor. This is a series with few female original characters, and to do something so cheap annoyed me, but... After thinking about it some, we needed to have really real true proof that there is indeed a traitor this time, and it needed to be shown. They could have just introduced Strelitzia now and had her killed off, but I think they made the right call of introducing her right beforehand. It was a fake out, and one very unexpected from this franchise. The only problem being the background they gave her, as it was clearly intended to make us feel for her more in order to make her death more "shocking". ...And because she's a girl. It's a trope that's way overused, killing a girl off just to make the audience feel sad.
But one the other hand, with Lauriam and the mystery thief who may or may not be him, I do feel this is a scene that needed to be done, and that it's better to make a new character t
han use a generic one
for the thief to kill for the book. So while I'm not outright for waht happened, I'm not against it either.
Alrighty, now it's Marluxia time! Er, Lauriam time!
I don't believe it's Lauriam, but Blaine who is the traitor. Having Strelitzia's killer in a cloaky-shaped blur means it's supposed to be a mystery, and Mar...Lauriam's introduction is supposed to make us think it was him, and after all, we know he's a traitor of Org. XIII, so we have other reasons to suspect him.
But Blaine is just as suspicious. Not only does he look like Ienzo obscuring his face with a dandy hat, he was getting confirmation about the book despite that Ava would have told him so. While it may not seem that odd to do so, it's interesting to point out.
Ienzo was also the one to convince Ansem the Wise to build the basement laboratory, betrayed him, and was completely fateful to Org. XIII, while Marluxia wanted to overthrow Xemnas (can't remember if it was specifically said why.) Whose treachery is worse?
What interests me the most is if Blaine and Ienzo are the same person, then Ven meeting Ienzo in BBS wasn't a mere cameo. But odd that Marluxia didn't seem to so have any familiarity toward Roxas. And since Lauriam is Marluxia, how did he feel when seeing Zexion?
Could Blaine not only be the traitor, but is trying to cause havoc again as Ienzo? And if so, is lauriam actually a good guy and Marluxia betraying Org. XIII is because he was actually trying to stop Zexion?
I feel like I had more but forgot. XD
I'm real excited to see what Lauriam's keyblades gonna look like.
I mean, he's probably gonna wield Starlight
here a another crazy theory what if Lauriam and streltiza are brother and sister i mean both names are realted to flowers is some way
Who says Ava is the only one to have illusion powers and can appear as someone else?
Doesn't Marluxia kinda have power over illusion? I mean, the first time we fight him in CoM and its remake, we fight a double, he even says so: "But what you destroyed was an image of me. No more than a petty imitation." Who's to say he can't make "petty imitations" of other characters?
Somehow reminds me of the opening stages of Final Fantasy XII where you play as Reks only during the tutorial and he gets then killed off immediately at the end.
Haha. I don't think these scenarios are as comparable, seeing as how FFXII suffered a protagonist change xD
Anyone else starting to think that Marluxia being sent to Castle Oblivion was more than coincidence?
It was a coincidence, but then this happened, lol.
And that Marluxia is going to return fully in KHIII?
It was pretty much confirmed when those sakura-themed Nobodies appeared in one of KH3's trailers.
with Lauriam clearly a traitor.
I mean, he was a traitor in CoM, but we can't say if he always was a treacherous fox. So it's not very clear.
What if he's a Nort!?
Either Marluxia is a 'nort, or not. Master Xehanort did say some of the members of the original Organization resisted his seed because they either died, or were too independent. But with how powerful Marluxia was, and seeing he may be from the KHx era, it's possible Xehanort might want to make another bet on him.
It's probably been theorized countless times but I'm still holding onto the idea that the traitor could either be no one or everyone. The back story was plagued with distrust and/or paranoia between leaders; I think there may be a case of Chinese whispers between the current 5 (possibly by Luxu?), that turn everyone against each other.
I did theorize once it's the player but I don't think that adds up...
This reminds me of the game "Mafia". You have an X amount of players, but for the sake of an example, let's assume there are seven players. Of these seven, five are "Townies" (good guys) and two are "Mafia" (bad guys). The bad side wins by equaling the amount of Townies to the amount of Mafias (in this case, reduce the Townies from five, to two). The problem is, that everyone is in a sort of "paranoia" because the Mafia know who they are, but the Townies only know that they individually are a Townie. So in this case, the Mafia are working together, but the Townies are in a sort of free for all frenzy between each other. This is what might be happening, but in this case, no one is a Mafia, and the Townies are paranoid because they think one of them might be.
I am definitely putting my money on the Lauriam-red-herring angle here.
I am a major Marluxia fan and would love to see him in this ruthless role, but I would lay out my personal stance as follows, some of which taking from folks above:
1) We do not see the actual killer, it is only indirectly implied in the scene following to be Lauriam.
2) Blaine expected to be the last to arrive.
3) Blaine seemed questioning of the rules and book in general.
4) Strelitzia's Chirithy thought it saw Player down that one path. This as evidence relies on two sub-assumptions:[INDENT]a) Blaine is indeed Ienzo.
b) Ienzo still has some extent of Illusion powers, and thus was able to disguise himself as Player.
[/INDENT]
5) The fact that Blaine is still being super shady about his identity with his hat-shadow and (maybe) clearly altered name is fishy as heck.
I of course am open to being wrong on this, but yeah, those are the main reasons why for now I shall stick with the "Blaine did it and Lauriam is a red herring" theory.
Though I do want to see Lauriam be a monster still...
Add "Blaine" to the list of characters with power over illusion. At this point, anyone could be the traitor.
But Blaine is just as suspicious. Not only does he look like Ienzo obscuring his face with a dandy hat, he was getting confirmation about the book despite that Ava would have told him so. While it may not seem that odd to do so, it's interesting to point out.
Ienzo was also the one to convince Ansem the Wise to build the basement laboratory, betrayed him, and was completely fateful to Org. XIII, while Marluxia wanted to overthrow Xemnas (can't remember if it was specifically said why.) Whose treachery is worse?
Plot-twist: Blaine/Ienzo is the true villain of the series and has been manipulating everything since the KHx days.
If memory serves right, Marluxia's plan was to brainwash Sora in order to use the Keyblade against the Organization. Either he wanted the Keyblade to himself, or Kingdom Hearts as well.
What interests me the most is if Blaine and Ienzo are the same person, then Ven meeting Ienzo in BBS wasn't a mere cameo. But odd that Marluxia didn't seem to so have any familiarity toward Roxas. And since Lauriam is Marluxia, how did he feel when seeing Zexion?
Could Blaine not only be the traitor, but is trying to cause havoc again as Ienzo? And if so, is lauriam actually a good guy and Marluxia betraying Org. XIII is because he was actually trying to stop Zexion?
I feel like I had more but forgot. XD
If Mickey, Donald and Goofy forgot about TAV, it's possible Marluxia did the same with Ven and Blaine. xD
Well, in the Ansem Reports, it was stated that Apprentice Xehanort offered his heart in order to find out about his past, seeing as how he was amnesiac and all that jazz. But then everyone suddenly got more curious and wanted to explore the darkness as well. But what if they were motivated by someone? And that someone being Ienzo. And I don't know how deep KH3 will explore the KHx lore, but Nomura did say that the MoM won't appear on KH3. It's possible that KH3 won't explore KHx that much, or maybe the MoM won't make it to KH3...? Maybe he'll die? I don't know.
Oooooooh boooooy....
*breathes* Okay.
Firstly, having "
the whole story being accessible in one place" my big, fat, ass. What just happened is way too important, and I doubt KHIII will be able to properly explain the UX events.
Secondly...I'm...not completely against the killing off of Strelitzia? Okay, how to explain... Yes, it's annoying that she existed so she could be killed off by the traitor. This is a series with few female original characters, and to do something so cheap annoyed me, but... After thinking about it some, we needed to have really real true proof that there is indeed a traitor this time, and it needed to be shown. They could have just introduced Strelitzia now and had her killed off, but I think they made the right call of introducing her right beforehand. It was a fake out, and one very unexpected from this franchise. The only problem being the background they gave her, as it was clearly intended to make us feel for her more in order to make her death more "shocking". ...And because she's a girl. It's a trope that's way overused, killing a girl off just to make the audience feel sad.
But one the other hand, with Lauriam and the mystery thief who may or may not be him, I do feel this is a scene that needed to be done, and that it's better to make a new character t
han use a generic one
for the thief to kill for the book. So while I'm not outright for waht happened, I'm not against it either.
Alrighty, now it's Marluxia time! Er, Lauriam time!
I don't believe it's Lauriam, but Blaine who is the traitor. Having Strelitzia's killer in a cloaky-shaped blur means it's supposed to be a mystery, and Mar...Lauriam's introduction is supposed to make us think it was him, and after all, we know he's a traitor of Org. XIII, so we have other reasons to suspect him.
But Blaine is just as suspicious. Not only does he look like Ienzo obscuring his face with a dandy hat, he was getting confirmation about the book despite that Ava would have told him so. While it may not seem that odd to do so, it's interesting to point out.
Ienzo was also the one to convince Ansem the Wise to build the basement laboratory, betrayed him, and was completely fateful to Org. XIII, while Marluxia wanted to overthrow Xemnas (can't remember if it was specifically said why.) Whose treachery is worse?
What interests me the most is if Blaine and Ienzo are the same person, then Ven meeting Ienzo in BBS wasn't a mere cameo. But odd that Marluxia didn't seem to so have any familiarity toward Roxas. And since Lauriam is Marluxia, how did he feel when seeing Zexion?
Could Blaine not only be the traitor, but is trying to cause havoc again as Ienzo? And if so, is lauriam actually a good guy and Marluxia betraying Org. XIII is because he was actually trying to stop Zexion?
I feel like I had more but forgot. XD
All great thoughts and mostly in line with mine exactly.
It would put a whole new spin as Zexion and Marluxia as sorts of opposing faction leaders in Castle Oblivion, and for that matter, yes, the encounter between Ven and Ienzo, the spurring on of Ansem by Ienzo, and the whole thing where Zexion was supposed to be quite close to Xemnas (see also Xigbar questioning Zexion on Xemnas and the Chamber of Repose...woah, and Xigbar mentioning the other chamber which would have Ven in it, whom Zexion might know from the past....woah woah woah) and possibly even being groomed for a right-hand-man sort of position like Saïx was.
The more I type, the more comes to mind, and the more the relationship dynamics seem of interest.
As much as I liked Strelitzia and am sad that she's gone so soon, I'm still really excited about Marly getting a bigger role again. My fave villain, I was hoping he could make even just a small cameo in KH3, but now something even more is possible! This is not really how I wanted him to enter the series again, but I'll take it. Gimme more Marly in KH3 Nomura you have to after this.
Well, I think all the same Strelitzia will play a role in the future. It would be foolish to create a character with a unique name and appearance so that it can be merged so quickly.
It does not matter what is possible and indirect, but I still think I will somehow prove myself. We just have to wait for the continuation.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: The 5 leaders meet at last
Wow, that was the cheapest ploy KH's storytelling ever produced.
"Aww, isn't this girl you've just met cute? What a cutie... oh no she's gone! Aren't you sad? And now suddenly Marluxia! ZAN ZAN ZAAAAANNNN!"
This is some late seasons Game of Thrones level of cheap. Killing off a character just met (so, an expendable one) to generate feels and the feeling the plot is moving fast and things are happening.
Not okay with this.
Yeah I realize the discussion may have turned by now, but since I just read this, this is how I feel as well. Unsurprisingly, I also have been irritated with GoT anymore for this crap soooo...
As much as I liked Strelitzia and am sad that she's gone so soon, I'm still really excited about Marly getting a bigger role again. My fave villain, I was hoping he could make even just a small cameo in KH3, but now something even more is possible! This is not really how I wanted him to enter the series again, but I'll take it. Gimme more Marly in KH3 Nomura you have to after this.
As long as we get to kill the piece of crap ha, I mean I guess it may be more plot twisty for someone else to have actually killed her, but Marly's involvement should be almost definite....
As I said, mine wasn't really a "theory" and just a feeling, but just to answer something:
Chirithy die when their player dies... as far as we know. I mean, we see that happening, but nothing says it's unavoidable.
I know, I know, the "well maybe it's not like that" it's an empty point, I agree... but in Back Cover it has been said that the Foretellers can summon their players' Chirithy.
Meaning Chirithy's bond with the player might not be absolute, or not closed off to external impulses anyway. I mean, thinking about it, it is weird they DO disappear: why? The player wasn't even their creator. There must be some artificial process to bind them to the players, and any artifical process can be nullified or altered.
Who knows, maybe the assassin tricked Chirithy into believing they would've been its new master.
Whether that was truly feasible or not.
But again. Nothing to prove or disprove any of this yet, so.
As far as I think it could be great if Ven was the bad guy (well, if executed in a proper way), I don't see that happening. As Muke said, Kingdom Hearts is pretty stale when it comes to characters and how they are.
But we need to remember Xehanort's "too bening for his own good" applies at his BbS time, which now isn't the starting point anymore.
Anything could've happen to Ven beforehand.
Vanitas is only a quarter, but Vanitas is also crazy strong. Don't look at quantity, look at quality.
I am not saying Ventus is the murderer (I am now leaning towards Blaine myself), but I wouldn't rule out anyone at this point.
Damn, Ephemer isn't off my list either. Never forget he interacted with a coaty at some point.
As much as I liked Strelitzia and am sad that she's gone so soon, I'm still really excited about Marly getting a bigger role again. My fave villain, I was hoping he could make even just a small cameo in KH3, but now something even more is possible! This is not really how I wanted him to enter the series again, but I'll take it. Gimme more Marly in KH3 Nomura you have to after this.
How popular was marluxia , nowhere near as Axel, so I dont think this could be anykind of retcon. This had to have been planned. I'm still salty becasue i found Larxene alot more intresting, even deymx is more fun
How popular was marluxia , nowhere near as Axel, so I dont think this could be anykind of retcon. This had to have been planned. I'm still salty becasue i found Larxene alot more intresting, even deymx is more fun
Yeah, no, there's no way Nomura planned all this stuff (say, "Marluxia is actually from ancient times" or whatever) in CoM. This wasn't planned and it's not really a retcon, either
Would Nomura really go so low in introducing a new original female character only to remove her 2 weeks later just for shock value?
I mean they even go the extra effort in making it look really sad with her last worlds and wishing she could talk to the player.
No matter where they went with the story it never annoyed me much but this just feels cheap.
Forreal tho, where's my waifu in all of this?
We have Marluxia's Nobodies. We have Ventus. We have Zexion's cosplayer. Now we have OG Marluxia.
Gimme a character I care about now!
Would Nomura really go so low in introducing a new original female character only to remove her 2 weeks later just for shock value?
I mean they even go the extra effort in making it look really sad with her last worlds and wishing she could talk to the player.
No matter where they went with the story it never annoyed me much but this just feels cheap.
You act as though she'll never come back. Unless interviews state otherwise, it's not the best idea to assume that.
You act as though she'll never come back. Unless interviews state otherwise, it's not the best idea to assume that.
I really don't see the problem. For now, she is dead. Stating anything else isn't the best idea - whether she'll come back or not, none of us know. But rn she's dead
Would Nomura really go so low in introducing a new original female character only to remove her 2 weeks later just for shock value?
I mean they even go the extra effort in making it look really sad with her last worlds and wishing she could talk to the player.
No matter where they went with the story it never annoyed me much but this just feels cheap.
Yeah, its usually some dude who thinks its more "emotional" to watch a girl die just for the "feels" instead of actually writing something interesting lol. I mean, I think that was said already in this thread but yeah. Its frustrating and lazy. Especially since they rarely give the female characters the light of day as is.
Her coming back in some way would fix some issues but then also make the death feel kind of cheap, which I mean, this series has done a lot already so I guess that means nothing to them lol.
How popular was marluxia , nowhere near as Axel, so I dont think this could be anykind of retcon. This had to have been planned. I'm still salty becasue i found Larxene alot more intresting, even deymx is more fun
Yeah right. He barely had BBS outlined by the time KH2 was out.
Yo, we Undertale.
I don't think it's fair to look at this scene one-dimensional like by saying they killed off a new, female character just for the heck of it. The murderer had a motive; to swipe
Strelitzia's
book and pose as one of the 5 union leaders. It's not really "lazy writing." I mean it's obvious that there were 5 true union leaders withStrelitzia not being introduced yet. Wouldn't it be logical for the imposter/traitor to make her disappear either by kidnapping or killing
Strelitzia off and taking her place?
Man, I would kill for your idea about Strelitzia being the first Nobody to be true, ShadowXemnas. KILL for it. [strike]Though not really, of course.[/strike] So here's hoping that that happens.
Also, I think you just got me on board with the idea that Strelitzia was the traitor, Hirokey123:)
I don't think it's fair to look at this scene one-dimensional like by saying they killed off a new, female character just for the heck of it. The murderer had a motive; to swipe
Strelitzia's
book and pose as one of the 5 union leaders. It's not really "lazy writing." I mean it's obvious that there were 5 true union leaders withStrelitzia not being introduced yet. Wouldn't it be logical for the imposter/traitor to make her disappear either by kidnapping or killing
Strelitzia off and taking her place?
It's lazy because a girl was established to be cliche-ly cute, with no real substance and character, and now we see her entire reason for being created was to be killed 5 minutes after her introduction to make us "shocked" and "sad". I mean, the whole murderer/infiltrator thing is separate I guess? Like, that in itself isn't bad I suppose.
But like come on, she gives like a little friendship as she dies, they wanted people to be sad with the minimal effort they put in. And then yeah, this is typically done with girls. Writers, who are men lol, usually view them as more vulnerable and emotionally sympathetic. Like its a legit thing that has been looked into in media. Its definitely a present and lazy trope.
Plot-twist: Blaine/Ienzo is the true villain of the series and has been manipulating everything since the KHx days.
| If memory serves right, Marluxia's plan was to brainwash Sora in order to use the Keyblade against the Organization. Either he wanted the Keyblade to himself, or Kingdom Hearts as well. |
| If Mickey, Donald and Goofy forgot about TAV, it's possible Marluxia did the same with Ven and Blaine. xD |
| Well, in the Ansem Reports, it was stated that Apprentice Xehanort offered his heart in order to find out about his past, seeing as how he was amnesiac and all that jazz. But then everyone suddenly got more curious and wanted to explore the darkness as well. But what if they were motivated by someone? And that someone being Ienzo. And I don't know how deep KH3 will explore the KHx lore, but Nomura did say that the MoM won't appear on KH3. It's possible that KH3 won't explore KHx that much, or maybe the MoM won't make it to KH3...? Maybe he'll die? I don't know. |
KHIII needs to find a way to use the KHx lore while keeping in mind that not everybody plays UX. The best way to do this might just be to simply treat those events as revelations, plot twists, etc. in KHIII.
It's crap like this UX update why I wish for KHIII's story to be a 100 hours long.
All great thoughts and mostly in line with mine exactly.
It would put a whole new spin as Zexion and Marluxia as sorts of opposing faction leaders in Castle Oblivion, and for that matter, yes, the encounter between Ven and Ienzo, the spurring on of Ansem by Ienzo, and the whole thing where Zexion was supposed to be quite close to Xemnas (see also Xigbar questioning Zexion on Xemnas and the Chamber of Repose...woah, and Xigbar mentioning the other chamber which would have Ven in it, whom Zexion might know from the past....woah woah woah) and possibly even being groomed for a right-hand-man sort of position like Saïx was.
The more I type, the more comes to mind, and the more the relationship dynamics seem of interest.
I completely forgot about the scene with Xigbar questioning Zexion! Aaaah! All of Nomura's random shit is finally coming together!
RIP Strelitzia. How did not one notice a heart floating away? However, this new guy might be who Ephemera is talking about. Now, if only she had befriended the Player sooner. She would've survived...Wait, does she not have any cure medals/cards?
I don't think it's fair to look at this scene one-dimensional like by saying they killed off a new, female character just for the heck of it. The murderer had a motive; to swipe
Strelitzia's
book and pose as one of the 5 union leaders. It's not really "lazy writing." I mean it's obvious that there were 5 true union leaders withStrelitzia not being introduced yet. Wouldn't it be logical for the imposter/traitor to make her disappear either by kidnapping or killing
Strelitzia off and taking her place?
As I've said elsewhere: it's not that she should live because she's female, but she shouldn't die because she's a girl so it will conjure cheap feels.
And that totally happened. You wanna kill off one of the leaders? Sure. Hey, there's Ephemera. Or Blaine, apparently. But no, the moe girl was chosen.
See, we would be far more lenient with this... if girls weren't so often the poor damsel either in distress or with a tragic fate.
This saga already has a worringly low female to male ratio, ending one of them isn't really a good idea. Or it surely isn't new and creative.
"She could come ba-" Yes, and I don't care. It doesn't make this decision any less cheap and blue-balling. It makes it MORE cheap, if anything. Death has no consequence but we act like it does.
Also, you're looking at this from the in-game villain's point of view. That's... obviously everything they did, for THEM, made sense.
From a writing perspective, as stated by me and many, this is just a quick, affordable death to give the mass a quick shock. It's such an old trick from the book, too.
Is it the end of the world, or the worst thing ever? Clearly not.
Is it lazy writing, an easy way out instead of writing something creative? Yes.
It's lazy because a girl was established to be cliche-ly cute, with no real substance and character, and now we see her entire reason for being created was to be killed 5 minutes after her introduction to make us "shocked" and "sad".
Or.. maybe the fact that she had little introduction was to explain why the other Union Leaders wouldn't have been suspicious to see Marluxia's somebody pose (or alluding to pose) as the fifth Union Leader since no one is familiar with Sterlitzia.
RIP Strelitzia. How did not one notice a heart floating away? However, this new guy might be who Ephemera is talking about. Now, if only she had befriended the Player sooner. She would've survived...Wait, does she not have any cure medals/cards?
If only she followed the path instead of turning in to the house, Player was so close :(
As I've said elsewhere: it's not that she should live because she's female, but she shouldn't die because she's a girl so it will conjure cheap feels.
And that totally happened. You wanna kill off one of the leaders? Sure. Hey, there's Ephemera. Or Blaine, apparently. But no, the moe girl was chosen.
See, we would be far more lenient with this... if girls weren't so often the poor damsel either in distress or with a tragic fate.
This saga already has a worringly low female to male ratio, ending one of them isn't really a good idea. Or it surely isn't new and creative.
Except it couldn't work if you killed any of the others. It had to be a Union Leader no one was familiar with so that they could sell the fact to the player that there is a traitor without the other Union Leaders being suspicious. If they killed one of the other four off it would raise suspicions. This way it puts the Union Leaders in a false sense of security.
Aah, very interesting to see Marluxia`s original self in Union X. I guess he will have a somewhat role in III, and that is very fine with me since I always liked him as a villain. Looking forward to see more of him!
Except it couldn't work if you killed any of the others. It had to be a Union Leader no one was familiar with so that they could sell the fact to the player that there is a traitor without the other Union Leaders being suspicious. If they killed one of the other four off it would raise suspicions. This way it puts the Union Leaders in a false sense of security.
Except I literally can't see how killing Blaine would be any different and more suspicious.
Also... not really?
You didn't need to do that. Not only because the menace of the traitor was already lingering for both the characters and the audience (you seriously think the Leaders will now be all chummy chummy with each other? Why would they be?)
And, again... this is still in-game logic. The question is much more complicated. It's not that killing Lizzie makes no sense, but there's always another way. A more skillfull and refreshing way.
They didn't even have to kill her. Someone could have kidnapped her. 40 quests later, she appears and meets the Union Leaders, saying she is the actual fith leader. Bam, there you go. More creative way of making her disappear, it even adds a good twist and makes the Leaders distrust themselves.
Hakan Xatos you need to understand no matter how you try to rationalize that doesn't change the fact the story didn't need to be written this way.
They could have skipped over Strelitzia entirely and just introduced Lauriam as the 5th union leader from the get go, you'd get the same effect the minute he appears on screen people would suspect him the traitor because of our previous er-future knowledge that the union leaders don't have. Later on if this crappy garbage plot point of her death needed to be relevant because she comes back as a vengeful spirit or whatever then you work backwards. Start by introducing the vengeful person then work backwards to the nice lonely girl she used to be and make the reveal on how she became that way. You get the same result in terms of plot just in a way that is less disgusting and cheap than how they've chosen to do it.
Like what it boils down to is there were plenty of ways to write this terrible idea so it's less terrible. In a series with so few main female characters, where every time it makes a group of guys it has a vastly larger male to female ratio almost always consisting of one female to x amount of males, that has a horrendous track recorded with their treatment of female characters, that struggles to use more than the most overused and regressive female tropes.....that fridging a new female character specifically only after we had just enough time to get to know her and connect with her is plain and simply abhorrent.
This IS lazy writing this is literally the definition of lazy writing because what was just done takes NO effort, anyone can do it which is why it's done so often. It's a pathetic crutch used in place of competent writing.
Man, knowing that Strelitzia died so close to where Player was makes me think of Crisis Core: and how Zack was so close to Aerith's church when he passed:(
Oy.
Hakan Xatos you need to understand no matter how you try to rationalize that doesn't change the fact the story didn't need to be written this way.
They could have skipped over Strelitzia entirely and just introduced Lauriam as the 5th union leader from the get go, you'd get the same effect the minute he appears on screen people would suspect him the traitor because of our previous er-future knowledge that the union leaders don't have. Later on if this crappy garbage plot point of her death needed to be relevant because she comes back as a vengeful spirit or whatever then you work backwards. Start by introducing the vengeful person then work backwards to the nice lonely girl she used to be and make the reveal on how she became that way. You get the same result in terms of plot just in a way that is less disgusting and cheap than how they've chosen to do it.
Like what it boils down to is there were plenty of ways to write this terrible idea so it's less terrible. In a series with so few main female characters, where every time it makes a group of guys it has a vastly larger male to female ratio almost always consisting of one female to x amount of males, that has a horrendous track recorded with their treatment of female characters, that struggles to use more than the most overused and regressive female tropes.....that fridging a new female character specifically only after we had just enough time to get to know her and connect with her is plain and simply abhorrent.
This IS lazy writing this is literally the definition of lazy writing because what was just done takes NO effort, anyone can do it which is why it's done so often. It's a pathetic crutch used in place of competent writing.
Exactly this
Except I literally can't see how killing Blaine would be any different and more suspicious.
Also... not really?
You didn't need to do that. Not only because the menace of the traitor was already lingering for both the characters and the audience (you seriously think the Leaders will now be all chummy chummy with each other? Why would they be?)
And, again... this is still in-game logic. The question is much more complicated. It's not that killing Lizzie makes no sense, but there's always another way. A more skillfull and refreshing way.
Or maybe the fact that Blaine could be the traitor and killing him off wasn't an option? How is it more complicated? Five Union Leaders were introduced. The imposter needs to make one disappear and take his/her place. It's pretty easy to understand. May have been another way, but this way is the easiest and quickest to execute and not drag it out. I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I'm just saying try to keep an open mind about it and consider from all angles.
If she was a boy, this wouldn't devolve into complain about female characters in KH thread
So how about that Mary's somebody, think he has a motive for going after the book to kill someone?
Hakan Xatos you need to understand no matter how you try to rationalize that doesn't change the fact the story didn't need to be written this way.
They could have skipped over Strelitzia entirely and just introduced Lauriam as the 5th union leader from the get go, you'd get the same effect the minute he appears on screen people would suspect him the traitor because of our previous er-future knowledge that the union leaders don't have. Later on if this crappy garbage plot point of her death needed to be relevant because she comes back as a vengeful spirit or whatever then you work backwards. Start by introducing the vengeful person then work backwards to the nice lonely girl she used to be and make the reveal on how she became that way. You get the same result in terms of plot just in a way that is less disgusting and cheap than how they've chosen to do it.
Like what it boils down to is there were plenty of ways to write this terrible idea so it's less terrible. In a series with so few main female characters, where every time it makes a group of guys it has a vastly larger male to female ratio almost always consisting of one female to x amount of males, that has a horrendous track recorded with their treatment of female characters, that struggles to use more than the most overused and regressive female tropes.....that fridging a new female character specifically only after we had just enough time to get to know her and connect with her is plain and simply abhorrent.
This IS lazy writing this is literally the definition of lazy writing because what was just done takes NO effort, anyone can do it which is why it's done so often. It's a pathetic crutch used in place of competent writing.
I am just sorta disappointed by her demise. They should've allowed her to just get kidnapped then have her appear after the Player regains their memories, and they tell Ephemera. She had the chance to be a great character, such as snapping out of her shyness like the Player did. Now when you think about it, they are drawing quite a bit of parallels to the Player and her. Except, our Player can take hits from Masters and she can't handle a single hit from a Keyblade Weilder...If he even has a Keyblade.
At least Sora got some revenge.
If she was a boy, this wouldn't devolve into complain about female characters in KH thread
So how about that Mary's somebody, think he has a motive for going after the book to kill someone?
Of course not.
Meta-wise it cannot be denied though that the original cast of KH is woefully short on girls so I can see why it ruffles some feathers, not to mention that this plot device is really one of the most overused and cheap variants out there.
On the flip side though, I do wonder if the outrage and complaints about the "cheapness" of killing off a character only one update after the introduction would be as severe if the 5th Leader had been a boy from the start.
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A more intriguing question I would say is how the "killer", whoever it may be, knew about the book in the first place (it's the rulebook for the new Leaders and while the existence of the Dandelions was widely known to all Foretellers, I doubt this book was).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nomura say that Marluxia was intended to be female, but that was changed to avoid sexism or something of the like (regarding the traitors in Chain of Memories)? because if that's true then I find this switch-up of Fortellers all the more ironic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nomura say that Marluxia was intended to be female, but that was changed to avoid sexism or something of the like (regarding the traitors in Chain of Memories)? because if that's true then I find this switch-up of Fortellers all the more ironic.
Correct, he said something along the lines of two female villains not having good optics, especially were it to be the only two females in the whole group.
I don't think it would be as severe but that's because gender DOES matter to an extent, we don't live in a gender blind society. When one of the worst writing tropes that is typically almost exclusively female based it DOES matter when that trope is being used against a female character. If there was more equality, if we actually had an equal number of boy/male characters being treated as objects and accessories to kill off and cause others pain it would be different to an extent. But not much it would just be outrage at the most lazy form of writing not outrage at a combination of KH's unfortunate constant stream of sexism + the most lazy form of writing.
Putting that aside the fact does remain that in order for Strelitzia to be killed there has to have been someone who knew she had the book and was to be a union leader, they also had to have known WHEN the union leader meeting was going to take place because killing her after the meeting wouldn't have worked for this deception. They knew who to kill, what they had, and the time frame they had to do it. The biggest thing is that none of the union leaders knew who the other new leaders were going to be. So that raises the question....who could possibly have access to all that knowledge? If it's Lauriam or Blain then either they have to have been spying on Ava or there is another person at work giving them all the info and they are just a tool which they may or may not be aware of.
That is why even though he is seemingly gone I still feel more comfortable blaming this on the MoM as I can't think of anyone else with that knowledge, besides I suppose the new owner of the book of prophecy?
Hakan Xatos you need to understand no matter how you try to rationalize that doesn't change the fact the story didn't need to be written this way.
They could have skipped over Strelitzia entirely and just introduced Lauriam as the 5th union leader from the get go, you'd get the same effect the minute he appears on screen people would suspect him the traitor because of our previous er-future knowledge that the union leaders don't have. Later on if this crappy garbage plot point of her death needed to be relevant because she comes back as a vengeful spirit or whatever then you work backwards. Start by introducing the vengeful person then work backwards to the nice lonely girl she used to be and make the reveal on how she became that way. You get the same result in terms of plot just in a way that is less disgusting and cheap than how they've chosen to do it.
Like what it boils down to is there were plenty of ways to write this terrible idea so it's less terrible. In a series with so few main female characters, where every time it makes a group of guys it has a vastly larger male to female ratio almost always consisting of one female to x amount of males, that has a horrendous track recorded with their treatment of female characters, that struggles to use more than the most overused and regressive female tropes.....that fridging a new female character specifically only after we had just enough time to get to know her and connect with her is plain and simply abhorrent.
This IS lazy writing this is literally the definition of lazy writing because what was just done takes NO effort, anyone can do it which is why it's done so often. It's a pathetic crutch used in place of competent writing.
I don't need to understand anything. I gave my two cents, people replied, I defended my points and I backed away before things were getting too heated. I'm free to express my own opinion and I don't need to be lectured. However I will point out the fact that your argument in the second paragraph is canceled out by the third. Apparently it sounds like to you this just boils down to the fact that if Bob Jones replaced Sterlitzia in this scenario that no one would care what happens to him and all this wouldn't be going on right now.
I don't think it would be as severe but that's because gender DOES matter to an extent, we don't live in a gender blind society. When one of the worst writing tropes that is typically almost exclusively female based it DOES matter when that trope is being used against a female character. If there was more equality, if we actually had an equal number of boy/male characters being treated as objects and accessories to kill off and cause others pain it would be different to an extent. But not much it would just be outrage at the most lazy form of writing not outrage at a combination of KH's unfortunate constant stream of sexism + the most lazy form of writing.
Putting that aside the fact does remain that in order for Strelitzia to be killed there has to have been someone who knew she had the book and was to be a union leader, they also had to have known WHEN the union leader meeting was going to take place because killing her after the meeting wouldn't have worked for this deception. They knew who to kill, what they had, and the time frame they had to do it. The biggest thing is that none of the union leaders knew who the other new leaders were going to be. So that raises the question....who could possibly have access to all that knowledge? If it's Lauriam or Blain then either they have to have been spying on Ava or there is another person at work giving them all the info and they are just a tool which they may or may not be aware of.
That is why even though he is seemingly gone I still feel more comfortable blaming this on the MoM as I can't think of anyone else with that knowledge, besides I suppose the new owner of the book of prophecy?
It being one of the most overused story tropes is something one can't argue I would say and I also can't say I'm really on board with how exactly they pulled this one even when spoken in-universe and narrative-wise it makes heaps of sense.
If the topic is about boys/male characters being treated as objects and used to cause others pain though I'd say the KH series is also no stranger to that one as well.
With Riku Replica, Roxas and Ventus I can already name three to which this description applies wholesome and I dare proposing that at least in DDD Sora could apply as well.
Yep, there is definitely someone well informed working from beyond the shadows, but in all honesty I find jumping directly pointing fingers at the MoM a bit too easy, too convenient.
If it would be really the case though Lady Ava's supposed "last hope" plan with the Dandelions would be doomed to fail from the start.
But hey, maybe there will indeed be yet another catastrophe with only a few kids, including Ventus and possibly Lauriam surviving, and those will be the children who rebuild the world and "create" the Seven Princesses.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nomura say that Marluxia was intended to be female, but that was changed to avoid sexism or something of the like (regarding the traitors in Chain of Memories)? because if that's true then I find this switch-up of Fortellers all the more ironic.
Yes, I also picked up on the irony myself.
Marluxia, or Lauriam, once again killing off a female to make way for himself, in any sense.
I wouldn't put it past him in fact here is an absurd theory...we never saw the X-blade or heard about it during the entirety of browser chi and the war didn't seem to be fought over anything it said it was. So let's recontextualize this....maybe there was in fact two keyblade wars but over time history merged them into one. I know that sounds a little crazy but hear me out for a second...
Perhaps the first war's entire purpose was so thousands of wielders would lose their hearts to create a false kingdom hearts. However after that there be no one left to fight over kingdom hearts, no one left to cause a war over that kingdom hearts. That's where the dandelion plan comes in, gather a whole bunch of wielders together and keep them away from this first war so they will be alive for the after effect. Thus why the unions had to be maintained even after the war because you can't have a war without opposing factions. Likewise it certainly be easy for history to repeat itself and cause another war if everyone left to fight had conveniently forgotten the war and its lead up ever happened, oh wait that's exactly what has happened. So now all someone needed to do is sow the seeds of traitorism and doubt in the new union leaders, get them to fall apart and mistrust like the foretellers did, and now you can have a second war between the continued union factions.
A war that is over the now created Kingdom Hearts and thus we get the real keyblade war, the one where people fought over kingdom hearts and the end result is that the X-blade is forged by this battle making the TRUE kingdom hearts appear. This is where the MoM or someone else who has been pulling from the shadows makes their bid for X-blade, and thus the general public of wielders learn what the X-blade is and what it can do. Suddenly everyone turns against everyone all trying to get that blade but it shatters into twenty pieces, 7 of light and 13 of darkness, and that is when the world is truly destroyed and thrust into darkness taking with it most of the light that was left.
Over time most of the history would be lost, the fact there were two wars all along would vanish into the depths of time and they would be combined into a single war. The names, faces, and union leaders would vanish as well as what they were fighting over. People would remember the truth that the keyblade was not created to defend light but by a man who wanted to conquer the light. Details would get mixed up till all that is left is a child's fairytale about people coveting and fighting over light. And eventually history would be doomed to repeat itself once more this time with the last vestiges of light destined to finally die.
If Luxu knew this and told Ava that would contextualize why she was so shocked, angry, and then finally broken at the end of browser chi.
Yeah, its usually some dude who thinks its more "emotional" to watch a girl die just for the "feels" instead of actually writing something interesting lol. I mean, I think that was said already in this thread but yeah. Its frustrating and lazy. Especially since they rarely give the female characters the light of day as is.
Her coming back in some way would fix some issues but then also make the death feel kind of cheap, which I mean, this series has done a lot already so I guess that means nothing to them lol.
Cheap it may be but it worked.
I dont think I would have cared as much if it was blaine killed off. What's even worse is know one knows who she is in game presently so, no one is missing or looking for her she gone for good, have we ever had an OG character gone for good.
RIP SWEET CHILD. WE HARDLY KNEW YOU.
Strelitzia better be in the player's heart and serve as a guiding force.
Also screw Lauriam. (he looks so precious but screw him..AND BLAINE.)
But honestly I'm so disappointed in Nomura right now. The series already have so few female characters, and most of them get the short end of the stick. Aqua can never be happy, Xion and Namine practically don't exist, Kairi was left on the sidelines until now...
It was in front of our eyes, this whole time.
XI… 11… Marluxia.
It was in front of our eyes, this whole time.
XI… 11… Marluxia.
Seems like the answer, right? Well think again. Look at that accessory again. Enhance. Rotate 180 degrees....IX...9
Demyx...lovable goofball plucking sitar strings? No. Illuminati mastermind plucking puppet strings.
Did I mention X-Files theme?
Turns out Marluxia was the big bad behind everything and Xehanorts were a part of him. There is a 15% change this is going to happen its kingdom hearts after all.
Seems like the answer, right? Well think again. Look at that accessory again. Enhance. Rotate 180 degrees....IX...9
Demyx...lovable goofball plucking sitar strings? No. Illuminati mastermind plucking puppet strings.
Did I mention X-Files theme?
Please.. It's clearly a 1 and a 10. Xemnas, who is above Luxord (nice touch Nomura), had the Gambler of Fate collect her debts in a one time payment.
You know I feel like Lauriam being here has like a much bigger implication. If that is Marluxia's human self as a kid and Ventus is also here as a kid then the idea that Blaine is Braig or Ienzo is no longer farfetch'd or off the table.
A more intriguing question I would say is how the "killer", whoever it may be, knew about the book in the first place (it's the rulebook for the new Leaders and while the existence of the Dandelions was widely known to all Foretellers, I doubt this book was).
I think DarkosOverlord may have been onto something regarding Striletzia's Chirithy which I just came to realise. Her Chirithy was outright doubting as to whether she was really Union leader material, and was initially reluctant to have them rendevouz with the player. I genuinely think that her Chirithy may have set the assassination up in order to prevent the truth of the Unchained Realm being revealed. Said Chirithy may have been willing to have themselves scarified for the natural order of the Unchained Realm.
You know I feel like Lauriam being here has like a much bigger implication. If that is Marluxia's human self as a kid and Ventus is also here as a kid then the idea that Blaine is Braig or Ienzo is no longer farfetch'd or off the table.
If that does end up being the case, then that would also replicate Sora and Riku final Organization XIII encounters in Chain of Memories, Sora battled Marluxia whilst Riku battled Zexion.
Could Marluxia be the traitor that was for told.
You know I feel like Lauriam being here has like a much bigger implication. If that is Marluxia's human self as a kid and Ventus is also here as a kid then the idea that Blaine is Braig or Ienzo is no longer farfetch'd or off the table.
Definitely check out my earlier posts, especially the one in response to Fudgemint, I'll quote here:
| It would put a whole new spin as Zexion and Marluxia as sorts of opposing faction leaders in Castle Oblivion, and for that matter, yes, the encounter between Ven and Ienzo, the spurring on of Ansem by Ienzo, and the whole thing where Zexion was supposed to be quite close to Xemnas (see also Xigbar questioning Zexion on Xemnas and the Chamber of Repose...woah, and Xigbar mentioning the other chamber which would have Ven in it, whom Zexion might know from the past....woah woah woah) and possibly even being groomed for a right-hand-man sort of position like Saïx was. The more I type, the more comes to mind, and the more the relationship dynamics seem of interest. |
RIP SWEET CHILD. WE HARDLY KNEW YOU.
Strelitzia better be in the player's heart and serve as a guiding force.
Also screw Lauriam. (he looks so precious but screw him..AND BLAINE.)
But honestly I'm so disappointed in Nomura right now. The series already have so few female characters, and most of them get the short end of the stick. Aqua can never be happy, Xion and Namine practically don't exist, Kairi was left on the sidelines until now...
Those examples are different aren't they? Aqua can't be happy but her story isn't over and she fortunate enough to have been the main protaganist multiple times. Xion and Namine's stories came to came to sad conclusion but I was satisfied that they left on their own terms. (Which why their now needing to be rescued despite being back in the place where they both belongs irritates me!!!) Well Kairi's face is everywhere so in sense she is the female character with the most appearances. Larxene is great example of a female given the short end.
O for crying out loud the only one's that seem to by calling sexiest over this are males trying to act like they are above the creators or something gees it was a fine hook for the story and giving us fear for the future of are characters.
Does anyone else feel like Nomura maybe did this, not knowing how big Strelitzia would become in such a short amount of time?
Because for some ungodly reason... he thinks that if he has original characters not connected to previously existing ones in this series, people won't like them.
So he ended up putting Marluxia's Somebody in Strelitzia's place instead, thinking that would make people happier and intrigued and not devastated like some are? [strike]Including myself.[/strike]
Does anyone else feel like Nomura maybe did this, not knowing how big Strelitzia would become in such a short amount of time?
Because for some ungodly reason... he thinks that if he has original characters not connected to previously existing ones in this series, people won't like them.
So he ended up putting Marluxia's Somebody in Strelitzia's place instead, thinking that would make people happier and intrigued and not devastated like some are? [strike]Including myself.[/strike]
Haha, no doubt. Just seems like a classic Nomura thing to do so
O for crying out loud the only one's that seem to by calling sexiest over this are males trying to act like they are above the creators or something gees it was a fine hook for the story and giving us fear for the future of are characters.
Well it's most female members saying this but you got a point as who's to say Marluxia's somebody is the spark that causes the deaths of the other Union leaders, what if his interest in the Keyblade stems from this?
I'm more annoyed at how Marly thought those red pants were fashionable. I mean come on bro this isn't a job interview or a fancy dinner party. Revolver Ardyn Ocelot is more fashionable than u. Go sit in the corner.
Also I'm interested as to how he became a Nobody and how he eventually got found by Xigbar.
I hope they killed Strelitzia off as an excuse to give her a role somewhere else.
In like, you know, KH3 maybe.
Definitely check out my earlier posts, especially the one in response to Fudgemint, I'll quote here:
Interesting though if I'm honest I'd rather it be Braig. He and Marluxia look like they would line up age wise, it would finally give Braig at least a semblance of clearer motive, and it would partly make up for how Ven's angry look sticks in Braig's brain for the next 12 years despite the fact that angry look is literally all their relationship consists of. >_> Not to mention Blaine and Braig as names aren't really that different also if we're doing this I'd rather it be someone who doesn't have backstory. Ienzo has backstory being a child of radiant garden who lost his parents at a young age and was taken in by Ansem and the apprentices, they became his new family and then slowly but surely the young boy was corrupted by them until he became Ienzo we know today. It's simple, clean, and doesn't need any real muddling but Braig we have basically nothing beyond "He was a guard at Radiant Garden and an apprentice of Ansem the Wise". But why did Master Xehanort team up with him? What kind of deal could Braig have struck that made his face being jacked up passable? What is Xigbar alluding to when he says you can't escape things you did in your past even as a Nobody? Why is he okay with throwing away himself and becoming Xehanort?
Interesting though if I'm honest I'd rather it be Braig. He and Marluxia look like they would line up age wise, it would finally give Braig at least a semblance of clearer motive, and it would partly make up for how Ven's angry look sticks in Braig's brain for the next 12 years despite the fact that angry look is literally all their relationship consists of. >_> Not to mention Blaine and Braig as names aren't really that different also if we're doing this I'd rather it be someone who doesn't have backstory. Ienzo has backstory being a child of radiant garden who lost his parents at a young age and was taken in by Ansem and the apprentices, they became his new family and then slowly but surely the young boy was corrupted by them until he became Ienzo we know today. It's simple, clean, and doesn't need any real muddling but Braig we have basically nothing beyond "He was a guard at Radiant Garden and an apprentice of Ansem the Wise". But why did Master Xehanort team up with him? What kind of deal could Braig have struck that made his face being jacked up passable? What is Xigbar alluding to when he says you can't escape things you did in your past even as a Nobody? Why is he okay with throwing away himself and becoming Xehanort?
That be realy cool idea having a real past with Ven. I mean he is being built up as Sora's rival with how many times they have had a back an forth so perhaps his role will just get bigger.
Does anyone else feel like Nomura maybe did this, not knowing how big Strelitzia would become in such a short amount of time?
Because for some ungodly reason... he thinks that if he has original characters not connected to previously existing ones in this series, people won't like them.
So he ended up putting Marluxia's Somebody in Strelitzia's place instead, thinking that would make people happier and intrigued and not devastated like some are? [strike]Including myself.[/strike]
Totally seeing this too.
The man appeared shocked over many fans responses throughout the years.
I'm more annoyed at how Marly thought those red pants were fashionable. I mean come on bro this isn't a job interview or a fancy dinner party. Revolver Ardyn Ocelot is more fashionable than u. Go sit in the corner.
Also I'm interested as to how he became a Nobody and how he eventually got found by Xigbar.
He was found by Xigbar...
You know...some folks above have mentioned the possibility of, if Blaine/Ienzo is the real problem-child here, then Lauriam would perhaps have a reason to be upset at him and the future Org and thus lead to his treason.
I've heard many theorize about Braig having alterior motives and scheming against the Org here and there...if he were to say, actively seek out and seed the Org with someone like Marluxia, knowing his motives and past...that would really fall in line with the "Braig is not to be trusted" theory that's been floating out there, though I myself never was one to lean too strongly towards that theory to begin with.
Cheap it may be but it worked.
I dont think I would have cared as much if it was blaine killed off. What's even worse is know one knows who she is in game presently so, no one is missing or looking for her she gone for good, have we ever had an OG character gone for good.
Lol i think that makes her death even worse. No one to remember her, no one searching or questioning what happened to her or where she is.
Pretty much died lonely.. lol like what the hell Nomura.
He was found by Xigbar...
You know...some folks above have mentioned the possibility of, if Blaine/Ienzo is the real problem-child here, then Lauriam would perhaps have a reason to be upset at him and the future Org and thus lead to his treason.
I've heard many theorize about Braig having alterior motives and scheming against the Org here and there...if he were to say, actively seek out and seed the Org with someone like Marluxia, knowing his motives and past...that would really fall in line with the "Braig is not to be trusted" theory that's been floating out there, though I myself never was one to lean too strongly towards that theory to begin with.
I mean...that's not really a theory he openly admits that he spies on Xemnas to try and figure out what is going on in the chamber of repose. Drills both Zexion and Young Xehanort for clues on Xehanort's hidden goal he isn't telling anyone. Openly taunts in front of Xemnas and Saix that he knew the location of Namine but wouldn't be telling them where she is. Has expressed dissatisfaction and distrust with Xehanort and made it clear more than once he has his own separate goal he is working on and that the only reason he does anything for Xehanort is because he is getting something in return. He has early on even shown he is willing to attack Xehanort albeit he stopped that because he's afraid of his power. Like for this to be a theory we would need some counter evidence that shows he's to be trusted which you won't really find with a man whose entire character/role in the story has been to spread lies, deceit, hide secrets, and actively troll literally everyone he has ever talked to on screen be they good or bad.
trying to tell a story in a mobile game that is the antithesis of what makes KH fun was a mistake
I mean...that's not really a theory he openly admits that he spies on Xemnas to try and figure out what is going on in the chamber of repose. Drills both Zexion and Young Xehanort for clues on Xehanort's hidden goal he isn't telling anyone. Openly taunts in front of Xemnas and Saix that he knew the location of Namine but wouldn't be telling them where she is. Has expressed dissatisfaction and distrust with Xehanort and made it clear more than once he has his own separate goal he is working on and that the only reason he does anything for Xehanort is because he is getting something in return. He has early on even shown he is willing to attack Xehanort albeit he stopped that because he's afraid of his power. Like for this to be a theory we would need some counter evidence that shows he's to be trusted which you won't really find with a man whose entire character/role in the story has been to spread lies, deceit, hide secrets, and actively troll literally everyone he has ever talked to on screen be they good or bad.
I would still call it a theory. A well-supported one perhaps, but that's by no means something confirmed. It can still be explained away by him being overly curious and a cocky troll and such.
Openly spying and the like does not necessitate a subversive motive, and while, again, it seems likely, saying it is not a theory before his motives are made clear is an inaccuracy, I believe. Nitpicking on my part, but really, can't go and call something 100% confirmed that is merely "strongly supported or implied."
Lol i think that makes her death even worse. No one to remember her, no one searching or questioning what happened to her or where she is.
Pretty much died lonely.. lol like what the hell Nomura.
I Think its wrong to waste a true tragedy on a character who's role is so small. But i feel for her and many of the commentors in this thread do as well so I am saying it worked.
she desserves to be in HD tho
they should have turned this into an anime and stayed away from major disney properties like they did in backcover
at least it would have recived a larger audience, its all quite captivating but in the worst form
As for the "who is the real Blaine?" question I'm leaning more towards team Braig than Ienzo myself. Mainly, like what was brought up earlier, the age makes more sense.
Lauriam's age does suggest that a younger Braig would be closer in age with Blaine than Ienzo. Heck, if you consider in BBS where Ienzo was younger than Ven; in KHuX with a younger Ven would mean that Ienzo would be a toddler..
As for the "who is the real Blaine?" question I'm leaning more towards team Braig than Ienzo myself. Mainly, like what was brought up earlier, the age makes more sense.
Lauriam's age does suggest that a younger Braig would be closer in age with Blaine than Ienzo. Heck, if you consider in BBS where Ienzo was younger than Ven; in KHuX with a younger Ven would mean that Ienzo would be a toddler..
I don't know. Zexion had power over illusion. What if the toddler we see in BbS is actually an illusion? This is pure speculation, but if Blaine ends up being Ienzo, an explanation is in order.
The main issue I have with Blaine being either Braig or Ienzo is that there is no actual connection with the names.
Lauriam is actually an anagram of Marluxia and one can see that it is him while Ventus obviously uses the same name he always used.
Blaine on the other hand...has a hairstyle similar to Zexion and from the one scene he had more than one line so far we can deduce he has a laidback, somewhat cocky/witty attitude which may hold some similarity to Braig.
That's quite a significant difference in presentation.
The main issue I have with Blaine being either Braig or Ienzo is that there is no actual connection with the names.
Lauriam is actually an anagram of Marluxia and one can see that it is him while Ventus obviously uses the same name he always used.
Blaine on the other hand...has a hairstyle similar to Zexion and from the one scene he had more than one line so far we can deduce he has a laidback, somewhat cocky/witty attitude which may hold some similarity to Braig.
That's quite a significant difference in presentation.
Right. It could be either, or neither. An entirely new character that could either stay in the KHx era, or transcend into present day KH universe.
The main issue I have with Blaine being either Braig or Ienzo is that there is no actual connection with the names.
Lauriam is actually an anagram of Marluxia and one can see that it is him while Ventus obviously uses the same name he always used.
Blaine on the other hand...has a hairstyle similar to Zexion and from the one scene he had more than one line so far we can deduce he has a laidback, somewhat cocky/witty attitude which may hold some similarity to Braig.
That's quite a significant difference in presentation.
Yeah.
At this point making him being an already existing character would feel like... I don't know how to describe it (I literally erased this comment three times), but after having two already existing characters in such an obvious fashion putting a third "undercover" wouldn't work as well.
Lauriam is actually an anagram of Marluxia and one can see that it is him while Ventus obviously uses the same name he always used.
Blaine on the other hand...has a hairstyle similar to Zexion and from the one scene he had more than one line so far we can deduce he has a laidback, somewhat cocky/witty attitude which may hold some similarity to Braig.
That's quite a significant difference in presentation.
At this point, I don't see any need to look too deeply into the age discrepancies, I am expecting some time-shenanigans or alternate explanation to bring that into line. After all the arguing I've seen about Ienzo being the "wrong age" and many just coming to accept it and throw out the old idea that Nobodies don't age, I lost concern with such discrepancies.
I don't agree with him being Braig, and there is no necessity for a name similarity to be present (in all likelihood there is either a deeper meaning that Nomura seeded into the name, or he just has an aesthetic attraction to the name...and maybe if it's an alias, so did Ienzo, who knows) but if it lends support to y'all, look at the Japanese pronunciation. What would it be, like Bureigu and Burein? If I am guessing those correctly, that would be a one-katakana-character-difference.
As for attitude differences, I mean, it's not too shocking for there to be either a major difference between times, given we still don't know what transpires between, and even with that, we don't even know enough about Blaine to say if it's really his personality, a facade, or any number of things. Call it a red herring or distraction, but I feel the hair is a pretty damning piece there. Not to mention, I personally support the idea that they are using Blaine's possession of a special book as their way of paralleling Zexion's choice of weapon, as we have seen with many of the RG Org crew.
And if we're really trying to make sure ages all line up, even not knowing what happens temporally between points A and B...why in the world would Braig being about the same age as Ven make things even remotely more feasible? For that matter, I was assuming, based on the similar ages of the children of this world, that Ven, Lauriam, and Blaine would be about the same age here, which would make this all even more moot, but even if they are not, it really doesn't help the timeline lining up as much as y'all seem to be suggesting.
Plus, to Hirokey, if we're looking at comparing backgrounds or lack thereof...I don't know, I personally feel like "Was a guard at RG" and "Was an orphan at RG, adopted by folks at the castle" aren't...all so vastly different in terms of quantity of backstory? In fact if you look at all we learned about Braig and Ienzo in BbS, Braig far outweighs simply due to being a more frequent actor in the game. Ienzo's presence, size, mysterious orphaned status, etc. all raised even more questions for the community than answered.
Apologies for post length, a lot to think about and answer here.
Hmmm. I wonder if the person who attacked Strelitzia NEVER intended for her to die. However, she was either too fragile or the attacker was too strong and she got injured to the point that her body couldn't live anymore.
The difference is that unless Ienzo was adopted twice (which is never alluded to) they established Ienzo HAD parents in RG that were lost rather recently. That's why it's different between him and Braig as with Braig we know who he is an adult sort of but we don't know where he came from, if he always lived there, if he has or had any actual family there, etc... It's one thing to thrown through time or whatever and be basically an orphan child like Ven is. It's another thing to be thrown through time and then suddenly wind up younger with a new set of parents that aren't at any point alluded to as being anything less than your biological parents who apparently also now exist hundreds of years in the future?
Now that we have Ventus and Lauriam I personally think it's more viable for Blaine to be Braig than Ienzo, Braig seems to have more of a connection with Ventus than Ienzo does, and I think Braig was the one who recruited Marluxia. And Braig has more potential backstory than Ienzo does, since Braig works for Xehanort and wants the Keyblade while Ienzo is just an orphan. Oh, and they both have black hair so there's that.
As for Strelitzia, I honestly kinda wish she didn't have to be killed off so soon. I felt like maybe she was meant to have a bigger role but then they just got rid of her. It feels weird.
The difference is that unless Ienzo was adopted twice (which is never alluded to) they established Ienzo HAD parents in RG that were lost rather recently. That's why it's different between him and Braig as with Braig we know who he is an adult sort of but we don't know where he came from, if he always lived there, if he has or had any actual family there, etc... It's one thing to thrown through time or whatever and be basically an orphan child like Ven is. It's another thing to be thrown through time and then suddenly wind up younger with a new set of parents that aren't at any point alluded to as being anything less than your biological parents who apparently also now exist hundreds of years in the future?
I actually just played this part of Ven's story the other day, and can answer to this.
We do not know that Ienzo had parents in RG. Even states that his parents were not present. "We (the Ansem group) have done our best to raise the boy...since his poor parents are not here to do it." This leaves matters wide open, because Even and crew could have easily found him alone, assuming that, as most human children do, he must have at one point had parents, and either assumed that, or were told a lie that, something tragic happened to them (thus the use of the word "poor"). His statement really only states the following: 1) Ansem's crew is now raising Ienzo, 2) Ienzo's parents are not present.
There is no confirmation that his parents were ever seen or known. There is no details given of the circumstances of the adoption.
BBS: Ienzo
A young boy who speaks little—but his serene gaze suggests he sees much.
Even and the others at the castle are raising him since he has lost his parents.
I would be highly curious if that lines up with the original Japanese, and we have seen journals being sloppy at times.
Regardless, the wording is ambiguous, and potentially intentionally misleading. "Lost his parents" still leaves the circumstances far open to interpretation, including but not limited to "a boy was found with no parents to speak of", and having no parents, has effectively...lost his parents. Sure the wording in English gives a subtle implication of dead parents, but it is still ambiguous and still doesn't even say they were necessarily RG residents. I can easily see such a throwaway description being retconned and I'm sure there are similar such journal lines like that.
I'm pretty certain the japanese is actually a fair bit more blatant because like at the time of translations those scenes and info were being translated as "parents have died" "parents are dead" "parents were killed by monsters" etc... I don't really think it's ambiguous to be honest. Anymore than Eraqus screaming "you must exist no more" or Ventus saying "put an end to me". BBS english translators really REALLY wanted to avoid saying death or dying for some reason. Unless it came to Hades Lord of the Dead which I think is just because that's part of the original disney.
I Think its wrong to waste a true tragedy on a character who's role is so small. But i feel for her and many of the commentors in this thread do as well so I am saying it worked.
she desserves to be in HD tho
they should have turned this into an anime and stayed away from major disney properties like they did in backcover
at least it would have recived a larger audience, its all quite captivating but in the worst form
Yeah it's a shame. I was really looking forward to seeing her transition into HD too.
At this point the only way i can see her coming back is if her want to talk to the player was so strong her heart gravitated to the player and player ends up having her heart stay refugee within them.
Ienzo has always been the forgotten child in the kh series. He didn't even original have a boss fight in the old gba COM so i have my doubts on him coming into the pitcher in any big way.
Ienzo has always been the forgotten child in the kh series. He didn't even original have a boss fight in the old gba COM so i have my doubts on him coming into the pitcher in any big way.
The same could be said for Marluxia, seeing as how he was left in CoM and Re for years. Now he suddenly comes back in KH3.
I will continue to leave my chips on the "journal and dialogue were intentionally misleading or (in the case of the journal) will simply be retconned" and leave it at that, agree to disagree.
But mark my words Kim Possible, if the truth comes up in this Ienzo-sides favor, I'll be back.
He already has fanart.
Source: Autorun.exe
ugh, stupid link keeps turning into autorun
The level of detail to try and imitate Nomura's style is simply astounding.
The level of detail to try and imitate Nomura's style is simply astounding.
The more I look at it the more I believe that he looks more like a young Ardyn than Blaine does.
The difference is that unless Ienzo was adopted twice (which is never alluded to) they established Ienzo HAD parents in RG that were lost rather recently.
Ephemer and Skuld use the last of their power to bring them and Blaine / Ienzo to the future / Radiant Garden. They die shortly after succeeding, leading those who find Ienzo to believe they were his parents.
That's because Autorun.exe is the name of their Tumblr.
I'd just go one step further and create a playable game called Kingdom Hearts Re:Union X. The differed narratives of the existing Disney worlds, and the game play mechanics of the game are different enough to warrant it being a fully playable experience. I feel that limiting it to cutscenes wouldn't do this mammoth entry justice anymore.
???
They already covered most of X in Back Cover, if they made a sequel then they can be lazy and show screens of the fight with a voice over or they can have the first 10 minutes be the fight and the aftermath with a flashback to Ava passing on info to the new Foretellers.
The story hasn't really progressed that far since like April. Outside of the Disney story, all the new present day action takes place over like 5 minutes? That doesn't seem like a mammoth entry to me right now. We'd need a lot more story before they can make a sequel viable.
Something I was thinking, could...Blaine actually be the Master of Masters? We know that MoMmy Dearest is able to see through the blue eyes he's attached to various Keyblades, but the Starseeker, the default Keyblade the kids are using, doesn't have it. Theoretically, this would mean for him to monitor what's going on with them he would need to be there himself. So to make sure things go as he planned, he could have taken up the role as traitor. Choosing a random person for Ava to find as a Union Leader, either disguising himself as Player or telling Strelitzia's Chirithy to bring her to that building (the Chirithy does ask "why" after Strelitzia was attacked.) Disguises himself as "Blaine", who'll either become Ienzo after a dumb string of events, or MoM simply took his face since he would have seen Ienzo with his big blue eye of plot. Later on letting her death be known so suspicion and fear grows within the new Leaders.
He already has fanart.
Source: Autorun.exe
ugh, stupid link keeps turning into autorun
And daaaaayuum, this looks like real Nomura art. Props to the artist.
The story hasn't really progressed that far since like April. Outside of the Disney story, all the new present day action takes place over like 5 minutes? That doesn't seem like a mammoth entry to me right now. We'd need a lot more story before they can make a sequel viable.
DBZ was going by lighting quick compared to this.
The more I look at it the more I believe that he looks more like a young Ardyn than Blaine does.
Definitely.
Ephemer and Skuld use the last of their power to bring them and Blaine / Ienzo to the future / Radiant Garden. They die shortly after succeeding, leading those who find Ienzo to believe they were his parents.
This could actually work. They did tie-in together Apprentice Xehanort's anmesia and Aqua's armor (Master Xehanort stabbed himself inside of Terra's body and heart and Aqua saved them by pushing them with her armor).
Ephemer and Skuld use the last of their power to bring them and Blaine / Ienzo to the future / Radiant Garden. They die shortly after succeeding, leading those who find Ienzo to believe they were his parents.
That's because Autorun.exe is the name of their Tumblr.
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They already covered most of X in Back Cover, if they made a sequel then they can be lazy and show screens of the fight with a voice over or they can have the first 10 minutes be the fight and the aftermath with a flashback to Ava passing on info to the new Foretellers.
The story hasn't really progressed that far since like April. Outside of the Disney story, all the new present day action takes place over like 5 minutes? That doesn't seem like a mammoth entry to me right now. We'd need a lot more story before they can make a sequel viable.
They can do it again from the players point of view, even back cover skipped alot of things that happened to the master that we saw both from the players perspective and in one off scenes
At this point we don't know if Blaine and Ienzo have any actually connection outside of Fan theories. They could be the same person or might be entirely different. For all we know Ienzo could be Blaine's descendant.
For a different theory, could Lauriam and Ventus have gone to the future together, got separated and Lauriam has aged as he in not in a timeless sleep like Ventus is?
At this point we don't know if Blaine and Ienzo have any actually connection outside of Fan theories. They could be the same person or might be entirely different. For all we know Ienzo could be Blaine's descendant.
For a different theory, could Lauriam and Ventus have gone to the future together, got separated and Lauriam has aged as he in not in a timeless sleep like Ventus is?
At this point, none of us know what is going on.
Lol so how are the Japanese fans dealing with this story update anyway?
At this point we don't know if Blaine and Ienzo have any actually connection outside of Fan theories. They could be the same person or might be entirely different. For all we know Ienzo could be Blaine's descendant.
For a different theory, could Lauriam and Ventus have gone to the future together, got separated and Lauriam has aged as he in not in a timeless sleep like Ventus is?
That would explain why Lauriam is older but not ancient or dead like he should be.
To me it seems way to predictable for Lauriam to be responsible for the death of Strelitzia. Nomura wouldn't play that kind of game with all his twists already in the series. I sense something more fishy about this, even though I could be wrong.
Going back to the idea she somehow ended up being the first nobody.
Imagine for a sec she somehow ended up being the Nobody Marluxia used in his second and third form. That would be such a messed up twist..though at the same time i wouldn't even mind if it did happen.
Marluxia does not need to be here this is just more bull crap invert writing that Nomura is o so used to. He was never meant to be used outside Chain of Memories but then years latter the writers thought o lets reuse more old character's to boost reactions wont that be great this decision was not made for the story as a hole in mind but for sheer shock value in hopes to boost player interest. Now there going to have to come up with some convoluted way this all ties together in A MOBILE GAME that will Tie heavily into a console number title game WTF this should not be happening.
Going back to the idea she somehow ended up being the first nobody.
Imagine for a sec she somehow ended up being the Nobody Marluxia used in his second and third form. That would be such a messed up twist..though at the same time i wouldn't even mind if it did happen.
All I'm saying is that Lauriam isn't the only suspicious character in the new five.
A certain someone else also asked for clarification about the book of laws (which Ava should have already explained), and expected to be the last one to show up.
This is a very terrifying thought, but it makes a lot of sense. Both Blaine and Lauriam seem suspicious, one because he thought he'd be last and one because he had to do something before he could come...
That being said, I'm also thinking again about Ava's meeting with Luxu and the apparently shocking truth he revealed to her which shook her resolve so badly that against her former conviction she choose to participate in the war after all.
What if Luxu revealed to her that while the current war is indeed unavoidable, the true traitor responsible has already infiltrated her Dandelions and is beyond reach now because they're already in the "Unchained"-realm?
Now THAT would be interesting! And I don't think it's too impossible, it actually sounds really probable.
Thing is though that KH III has already quite some stuff to address even without all this chi-stuff coming additionally on top of it.
That's giving me headaches, KHIII already bit off more than it's able to chew and with the whole UX lore? I don't know... I really don't know how they are planning to tie it in so that it doesn't take over half of KHIII, still makes sense AND leaves questions open for a next saga (because that's what I expect to happen, that UX will leave questions for what is to come after KHIII).
So...doesn't the english translation sorta confirm Strelitzia was the traitor all along? She wasn't supposed to tell people about what was to come especially non-dandelions, it was one of the rules. But she tried to break that rule because she cared for the player so much and thus she went looking for him in a place that allowed her to be easily assassinated. This allowed someone who isn't one of Ava's chosen into the group, be it Blaine or Lauriam, and it's probably from there they will cause a great disaster.
But can she really be a traitor if she never went through with talking to the player? I mean the somebody killing her must have stalked her beforehand, found out about her intentions and then decided to kill her and replace her (in whichever way). I mean I get what you mean but Strelitzia never really had the chance to betray the others because she was killed before it happened. So in the end, I would still hold the person who killed her responsible. He might've killed her because she's an easy target, alone and remembered by nobody (COULD THEY STOP MAKING GIRLS WHO ARE FORGOTTEN?? JFC). If that alone or her intentions qualify her as a traitor, I'm gonna be very disappointed. I want the traitor to betray the others actively and not passively.
Ienzo was also the one to convince Ansem the Wise to build the basement laboratory, betrayed him, and was completely fateful to Org. XIII, while Marluxia wanted to overthrow Xemnas (can't remember if it was specifically said why.) Whose treachery is worse?
What interests me the most is if Blaine and Ienzo are the same person, then Ven meeting Ienzo in BBS wasn't a mere cameo. But odd that Marluxia didn't seem to so have any familiarity toward Roxas. And since Lauriam is Marluxia, how did he feel when seeing Zexion?
Could Blaine not only be the traitor, but is trying to cause havoc again as Ienzo? And if so, is lauriam actually a good guy and Marluxia betraying Org. XIII is because he was actually trying to stop Zexion?
Marluxia doesn't have any familiarity towards Roxas simply because the plot wasn't as advanced back during Days. That's literally everything. That's why Axel and Saix don't take a double-take either when they meet Roxas and never allude to Ventus because apparently, when Days has been produced, the idea of young Lea and Isa meeting Ventus might not have been there yet. I am positive that Nomura will find a way to write it into the story, as he's very skilled and gifted in adding stuff post-game and make it seem like he planned it all along.
But I totally agree, the fact that little Ienzo was the person who enabled those laboratories... it had a weird taste before, seeing as Ienzo is only a child, but with his look-alike Blaine running around and Strelitzia dead? Damn...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nomura say that Marluxia was intended to be female, but that was changed to avoid sexism or something of the like (regarding the traitors in Chain of Memories)? because if that's true then I find this switch-up of Fortellers all the more ironic.
My thoughts exactly lol. By this point, everyone regrets Marluxia being a man and would've rather dealt with two female traitors in CO. (I mean I don't actually care about the girl ratio myself but it is rather unfortunate how everything played out now)
Interesting though if I'm honest I'd rather it be Braig. He and Marluxia look like they would line up age wise, it would finally give Braig at least a semblance of clearer motive, and it would partly make up for how Ven's angry look sticks in Braig's brain for the next 12 years despite the fact that angry look is literally all their relationship consists of. >_> Not to mention Blaine and Braig as names aren't really that different also if we're doing this I'd rather it be someone who doesn't have backstory. Ienzo has backstory being a child of radiant garden who lost his parents at a young age and was taken in by Ansem and the apprentices, they became his new family and then slowly but surely the young boy was corrupted by them until he became Ienzo we know today. It's simple, clean, and doesn't need any real muddling.
Yes, Blaine and Braig (and especially his wrong transription Bleig) sound quite similar, however, they look nothing alike. Blaine definitely has Braig/MoM mannerisms, but his hair is a bluish gray and Braig has always been shown to have dark brown/black hair, only graying as he got older.
As to Ienzo's backstory, I agree with others, it is only known that he has no parents and given as Ienzo seems to be mute in the beginning of the series (at least he doesn't speak during the entirety of BBS), it is not too far off that Ansem the Wise or Even gave him the name Ienzo - not knowing his name is Blaine. And Ienzo never corrected them. He might even have amnesia - we still don't know whether Ventus had amnesia before he stumbled upon Xehanort (though there is nothing to indicate it, but then again it also wouldn't rule out amnesia for any other Dandelion survivors).
I don't know. Zexion had power over illusion. What if the toddler we see in BbS is actually an illusion? This is pure speculation, but if Blaine ends up being Ienzo, an explanation is in order.
Toddler? To be fair, I always assumed Ienzo to be around 10 years old (with Ven being 14/15 years old in BBS). He's only slightly shorter than Ven, definitely nowhere close to being a toddler. Also, in CoM and Days, Zexion looks like he's in his early 20s and he's clearly taller than 16 year old Riku who is rather tall himself.
Something I was thinking, could...Blaine actually be the Master of Masters? We know that MoMmy Dearest is able to see through the blue eyes he's attached to various Keyblades, but the Starseeker, the default Keyblade the kids are using, doesn't have it. Theoretically, this would mean for him to monitor what's going on with them he would need to be there himself. So to make sure things go as he planned, he could have taken up the role as traitor. Choosing a random person for Ava to find as a Union Leader, either disguising himself as Player or telling Strelitzia's Chirithy to bring her to that building (the Chirithy does ask "why" after Strelitzia was attacked.) Disguises himself as "Blaine", who'll either become Ienzo after a dumb string of events, or MoM simply took his face since he would have seen Ienzo with his big blue eye of plot. Later on letting her death be known so suspicion and fear grows within the new Leaders.
I gotta admit, I have been thinking about that (I mean I also thought about Ava being the fifth leader but sadly, that didn't come to fruition XD). I would've preferred the idea of Blaine simply being the MoM, no illusion, no taking his appearance or anything. But with the MoM being a grown adult and Blaine being a teen at most... idk. He is shady, but for now, I can't really make any sense of it.
Going back to the idea she somehow ended up being the first nobody.
Imagine for a sec she somehow ended up being the Nobody Marluxia used in his second and third form. That would be such a messed up twist..though at the same time i wouldn't even mind if it did happen.
The idea certainly is incredible and the color scheme isn't too far off. The thing is: Why would Marluxia have control over a dead Strelitzia? It would have to be some control thing since I doubt she would help him like that (no matter whether Lauriam actually killed her or not).
Marluxia does not need to be here this is just more bull crap invert writing that Nomura is o so used to. He was never meant to be used outside Chain of Memories but then years latter the writers thought o lets reuse more old character's to boost reactions wont that be great this decision was not made for the story as a hole in mind but for sheer shock value in hopes to boost player interest. Now there going to have to come up with some convoluted way this all ties together in A MOBILE GAME that will Tie heavily into a console number title game WTF this should not be happening.
I agree. It's my worst dream come true for KH3 which is probably half of the relevant plot points and story elements being heavily tied to the X-era games.
What's worst is that Back Cover was suppose to be the cinematic X-guide for dummies but only the ending of that movie seems relevant to anything going on in KH3. Not to say I think KH3's story is definitively doomed but this just isn't the direction I was hoping the story would go.
Also the idea of Marluxia's COM endgame nobody being Strelitzia is horrifying. I feel I need to watch COM in movie form now for some new perspective.
Looks like someone's ripped some artwork from the game and found a shadowy figure that's Lauriam-shaped.
kougyokuss
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Looks like someone's ripped some artwork from the game and found a shadowy figure that's Lauriam-shaped.
kougyokuss
Oh, wow. That changes things a bit. Okay, then it's pretty much confirmed it was Lauriam
Looks like someone's ripped some artwork from the game and found a shadowy figure that's Lauriam-shaped.
kougyokuss
A post I made on Tumblr, that I thought I might as well share here:
[FONT=Cambria]So, you know what I’ve thought of… Strelitzia almost has all the letters that Larxene does in her name.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
The L… the A… the R… (no X, but none of the Org members originally had one there)… the E… All that’s missing is the N and one more E. Though Strelitzia also has some other letters in her name that Larxene doesn’t at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It probably means nothing… and yet, I sort of want to hope.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]This will not happen. I cannot tell you just how much this won’t happen, so no one at ALL get your hopes up for this.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…But what if Strelitzia IS Larxene?[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And the reason she’s the only Nobody in the Organization to not have a complete one-to-one anagram when it comes to their new name, is because she changed it up some when she became a Nobody (the first Nobody, probably?)–as she wanted revenge against Lauriam, and thought it would be too obvious otherwise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Somehow she gets sent to the Realm of the Light in the future, but since she has no memories she ends up working with the very man who murdered her! But even then, she subconsciously remembers what happened to her and that’s why she’s so cruel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It could even explain why Larxene has so much fun destroying the idea of a hero story between Sora and Naminé–because she herself loved and believed in a hero once, Player, and look at what still happened to her![/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
They both have green eyes…[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And I feel like Strelitzia’s orange hair isn’t too different from Larxene’s blonde. And Strelitzia’s pigtails remind me a bit of Larxene’s antenna-like strands of hair: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Once again, it’s not a one-to-one thing. But if she’s trying to fool people about who she really is, maybe it doesn’t have to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…This will still never happen in a million years (how I wish it would, though!), but if it did, it would be the best thing Nomura’s ever done: one of the best plot twists he’s ever set up/pulled off, [strike]that would actually make all this stupidity of what they’ve done with Strelitzia worth it.[/strike][/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Especially since fans lately have rightfully been complaining lately, that he (and a lot of authors) don’t let their characters show actual human emotion, because it’d apparently be “out of character†for them (like when he didn’t let Aqua break down, when she ended up stranded in the Realm of Darkness again after finally almost having made it out), and this would be a wonderful way to go against that idea: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And to give some great character development to Larxene, that would actually give the character some depth–and perhaps make her one of the best written characters in the series, if sweet little Strelitzia ended up changing so drastically because of her horrible fate.[/FONT]
A post I made on Tumblr, that I thought I might as well share here:
[FONT=Cambria]So, you know what I’ve thought of… Strelitzia almost has all the letters that Larxene does in her name.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
The L… the A… the R… (no X, but none of the Org members originally had one there)… the E… All that’s missing is the N and one more E. Though Strelitzia also has some other letters in her name that Larxene doesn’t at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It probably means nothing… and yet, I sort of want to hope.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]This will not happen. I cannot tell you just how much this won’t happen, so no one at ALL get your hopes up for this.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…But what if Strelitzia IS Larxene?[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And the reason she’s the only Nobody in the Organization to not have a complete one-to-one anagram when it comes to their new name, is because she changed it up some when she became a Nobody (the first Nobody, probably?)–as she wanted revenge against Lauriam, and thought it would be too obvious otherwise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Somehow she gets sent to the Realm of the Light in the future, but since she has no memories she ends up working with the very man who murdered her! But even then, she subconsciously remembers what happened to her and that’s why she’s so cruel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It could even explain why Larxene has so much fun destroying the idea of a hero story between Sora and Naminé–because she herself loved and believed in a hero once, Player, and look at what still happened to her![/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
They both have green eyes…[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And I feel like Strelitzia’s orange hair isn’t too different from Larxene’s blonde. And Strelitzia’s pigtails remind me a bit of Larxene’s antenna-like strands of hair: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Once again, it’s not a one-to-one thing. But if she’s trying to fool people about who she really is, maybe it doesn’t have to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…This will still never happen in a million years (how I wish it would, though!), but if it did, it would be the best thing Nomura’s ever done: one of the best plot twists he’s ever set up/pulled off, [strike]that would actually make all this stupidity of what they’ve done with Strelitzia worth it.[/strike][/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Especially since fans lately have rightfully been complaining lately, that he (and a lot of authors) don’t let their characters show actual human emotion, because it’d apparently be “out of character†for them (like when he didn’t let Aqua break down, when she ended up stranded in the Realm of Darkness again after finally almost having made it out), and this would be a wonderful way to go against that idea: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And to give some great character development to Larxene, that would actually give the character some depth–and perhaps make her one of the best written characters in the series, if sweet little Strelitzia ended up changing so drastically because of her horrible fate.[/FONT]
I absoluetly LOVE your idea!!
it kind of odd to that larxene medal was release with marluxia medal as well right afyer the story update
it kind of odd to that larxene medal was release with marluxia medal as well right afyer the story update
I mean, I always saw them as a duo, so it just made sense to me to release both at once
it kind of odd to that larxene medal was release with marluxia medal as well right afyer the story update
Not really. Most likely, they had plans to release the Marluxia medal and needed one more to accompany it so Larxene made the most sense.
A post I made on Tumblr, that I thought I might as well share here:
[FONT=Cambria]So, you know what I’ve thought of… Strelitzia almost has all the letters that Larxene does in her name.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
The L… the A… the R… (no X, but none of the Org members originally had one there)… the E… All that’s missing is the N and one more E. Though Strelitzia also has some other letters in her name that Larxene doesn’t at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It probably means nothing… and yet, I sort of want to hope.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]This will not happen. I cannot tell you just how much this won’t happen, so no one at ALL get your hopes up for this.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…But what if Strelitzia IS Larxene?[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And the reason she’s the only Nobody in the Organization to not have a complete one-to-one anagram when it comes to their new name, is because she changed it up some when she became a Nobody (the first Nobody, probably?)–as she wanted revenge against Lauriam, and thought it would be too obvious otherwise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Somehow she gets sent to the Realm of the Light in the future, but since she has no memories she ends up working with the very man who murdered her! But even then, she subconsciously remembers what happened to her and that’s why she’s so cruel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It could even explain why Larxene has so much fun destroying the idea of a hero story between Sora and Naminé–because she herself loved and believed in a hero once, Player, and look at what still happened to her![/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
They both have green eyes…[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And I feel like Strelitzia’s orange hair isn’t too different from Larxene’s blonde. And Strelitzia’s pigtails remind me a bit of Larxene’s antenna-like strands of hair: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Once again, it’s not a one-to-one thing. But if she’s trying to fool people about who she really is, maybe it doesn’t have to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…This will still never happen in a million years (how I wish it would, though!), but if it did, it would be the best thing Nomura’s ever done: one of the best plot twists he’s ever set up/pulled off, [strike]that would actually make all this stupidity of what they’ve done with Strelitzia worth it.[/strike][/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Especially since fans lately have rightfully been complaining lately, that he (and a lot of authors) don’t let their characters show actual human emotion, because it’d apparently be “out of character†for them (like when he didn’t let Aqua break down, when she ended up stranded in the Realm of Darkness again after finally almost having made it out), and this would be a wonderful way to go against that idea: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And to give some great character development to Larxene, that would actually give the character some depth–and perhaps make her one of the best written characters in the series, if sweet little Strelitzia ended up changing so drastically because of her horrible fate.[/FONT]
We all need to learn to give up stop trying and let are dreams just die. I wish this could all be true but just like her it's dead....But really awesome theory tho go write for kingdom hearts they clearly need the help.
I mean, I always saw them as a duo, so it just made sense to me to release both at once
yeah true but one thing about this story devlopmet it got us talking where it good or bad
We all need to learn to give up stop trying and let are dreams just die. I wish this could all be true but just like her it's dead....But really awesome theory tho go write for kingdom hearts they clearly need the help.
DON'T ASSUME YOUR DREAMS ARE JUST FANTASY.
[strike]I had to[/strike]
Anyways, I do agree, it makes sense to pair up Marluxia and Larxene, seeing as both work and scheme together in CoM. There are some interesting points in the theory and while I definitely support characters breaking down and showing more emotions (yes, I'm, too, looking at Aqua there :D), but if Strelitzia would have to somehow make the leap to Larxene who abuses Naminé and Sora... phew, Idk, there's gotta be a LOT of development between that :/ I mean it's a 180 and it doesn't happen just like that and I personally would have to see the steps happening, otherwise it wouldn't be satisfactory (and a little cheap). I don't know whether this would fit into KH3 though, KH3 is so packed with stuff that has to happen already that most of it would have to happen in UX I think.
DON'T ASSUME YOUR DREAMS ARE JUST FANTASY.
[strike]I had to[/strike]
Anyways, I do agree, it makes sense to pair up Marluxia and Larxene, seeing as both work and scheme together in CoM. There are some interesting points in the theory and while I definitely support characters breaking down and showing more emotions (yes, I'm, too, looking at Aqua there :D), but if Strelitzia would have to somehow make the leap to Larxene who abuses Naminé and Sora... phew, Idk, there's gotta be a LOT of development between that :/ I mean it's a 180 and it doesn't happen just like that and I personally would have to see the steps happening, otherwise it wouldn't be satisfactory (and a little cheap). I don't know whether this would fit into KH3 though, KH3 is so packed with stuff that has to happen already that most of it would have to happen in UX I think.
I will say tho a detail story of Sweet shy, innocent Strelitzia slowly turning into Cruel forceful, Killer Larxene sounds amazing i binge watch that show. Breaking Hearts:cool:
Looks like someone's ripped some artwork from the game and found a shadowy figure that's Lauriam-shaped.
kougyokuss
Oh well, that settles that. To be honest though, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the "Graceful Assassin" never really killed anyone in the series has he? Maybe this is the start of how Marluxia/Lauriam picked up the moniker.
Oh well, that settles that. To be honest though, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the "Graceful Assassin" never really killed anyone in the series has he? Maybe this is the start of how Marluxia/Lauriam picked up the moniker.
I mean, no, probably not. They were given those titles after they joined the organization.
i still leaning towards that flower boy is read harring until more stry devlop i mean remeber why how master invi was cover up as well to
I mean, no, probably not. They were given those titles after they joined the organization.
Oh well, I mean it seems kind of silly to practically call someone a killer without actually knowing if he had before or not knowing if he even will. Maybe Lauriam's reputation is well known after he bumps off a few more people in KHuX (perhaps more Union Leaders) which leads to the organization giving him the title?
"Assassin" was only ever a reference to the flower/scythe death motif Marluxia has. Since the one who chose the nicknames wasn't the person themselves (or else Zombie Roxas must have had a very clear moment to be able to come up with Key of Destiny), for "assassin" to be about Strelitzia's death and whoever else Lauriam may or may not kill in future, Xemnas would have had to know about this stuff. Even if Xehanort found both Lauriam and Ven and knew they were from the past, I don't know that we can jump from that to "Xemnas knows Lauriam killed people and gave him the moniker because of it".
And I doubt Marluxia would give up information like that just to brag.
A post I made on Tumblr, that I thought I might as well share here:
So, you know what I’ve thought of… Strelitzia almost has all the letters that Larxene does in her name.
The L… the A… the R… (no X, but none of the Org members originally had one there)… the E… All that’s missing is the N and one more E. Though Strelitzia also has some other letters in her name that Larxene doesn’t at all.
It probably means nothing… and yet, I sort of want to hope.
This will not happen. I cannot tell you just how much this won’t happen, so no one at ALL get your hopes up for this.
…But what if Strelitzia IS Larxene?
And the reason she’s the only Nobody in the Organization to not have a complete one-to-one anagram when it comes to their new name, is because she changed it up some when she became a Nobody (the first Nobody, probably?)–as she wanted revenge against Lauriam, and thought it would be too obvious otherwise.
Somehow she gets sent to the Realm of the Light in the future, but since she has no memories she ends up working with the very man who murdered her! But even then, she subconsciously remembers what happened to her and that’s why she’s so cruel.
It could even explain why Larxene has so much fun destroying the idea of a hero story between Sora and Naminé–because she herself loved and believed in a hero once, Player, and look at what still happened to her!
They both have green eyes…
And I feel like Strelitzia’s orange hair isn’t too different from Larxene’s blonde. And Strelitzia’s pigtails remind me a bit of Larxene’s antenna-like strands of hair:
Once again, it’s not a one-to-one thing. But if she’s trying to fool people about who she really is, maybe it doesn’t have to be.
…This will still never happen in a million years (how I wish it would, though!), but if it did, it would be the best thing Nomura’s ever done: one of the best plot twists he’s ever set up/pulled off, [strike]that would actually make all this stupidity of what they’ve done with Strelitzia worth it.[/strike]
Especially since fans lately have rightfully been complaining lately, that he (and a lot of authors) don’t let their characters show actual human emotion, because it’d apparently be “out of character†for them (like when he didn’t let Aqua break down, when she ended up stranded in the Realm of Darkness again after finally almost having made it out), and this would be a wonderful way to go against that idea:
And to give some great character development to Larxene, that would actually give the character some depth–and perhaps make her one of the best written characters in the series, if sweet little Strelitzia ended up changing so drastically because of her horrible fate.
I'm all for fan-fiction, but this is as ridiculous as Striletzia being Kairi's Grandmother (and look at how that turned out). There's a difference between logical connections and forced connections, this definitely falls under the latter.
And besides, Nomura wouldn't be crazy enough to have all the remaining former Organization XIII members be in Union X. He'd clearly want to leave some surprises for Kingdom Hearts III.
I like the idea of Strelitzia being Marluxia's angel Nobody, but at the same time I don't like it because it means that Strelitzia will not only be dead but under Marluxia's control years later, making her another damsel in distress type character. I'm just hoping that she'll still do something even after death.
A post I made on Tumblr, that I thought I might as well share here:
[FONT=Cambria]So, you know what I’ve thought of… Strelitzia almost has all the letters that Larxene does in her name.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
The L… the A… the R… (no X, but none of the Org members originally had one there)… the E… All that’s missing is the N and one more E. Though Strelitzia also has some other letters in her name that Larxene doesn’t at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It probably means nothing… and yet, I sort of want to hope.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]This will not happen. I cannot tell you just how much this won’t happen, so no one at ALL get your hopes up for this.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…But what if Strelitzia IS Larxene?[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And the reason she’s the only Nobody in the Organization to not have a complete one-to-one anagram when it comes to their new name, is because she changed it up some when she became a Nobody (the first Nobody, probably?)–as she wanted revenge against Lauriam, and thought it would be too obvious otherwise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Somehow she gets sent to the Realm of the Light in the future, but since she has no memories she ends up working with the very man who murdered her! But even then, she subconsciously remembers what happened to her and that’s why she’s so cruel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
It could even explain why Larxene has so much fun destroying the idea of a hero story between Sora and Naminé–because she herself loved and believed in a hero once, Player, and look at what still happened to her![/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
They both have green eyes…[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And I feel like Strelitzia’s orange hair isn’t too different from Larxene’s blonde. And Strelitzia’s pigtails remind me a bit of Larxene’s antenna-like strands of hair: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Once again, it’s not a one-to-one thing. But if she’s trying to fool people about who she really is, maybe it doesn’t have to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
…This will still never happen in a million years (how I wish it would, though!), but if it did, it would be the best thing Nomura’s ever done: one of the best plot twists he’s ever set up/pulled off, [strike]that would actually make all this stupidity of what they’ve done with Strelitzia worth it.[/strike][/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
Especially since fans lately have rightfully been complaining lately, that he (and a lot of authors) don’t let their characters show actual human emotion, because it’d apparently be “out of character†for them (like when he didn’t let Aqua break down, when she ended up stranded in the Realm of Darkness again after finally almost having made it out), and this would be a wonderful way to go against that idea: [/FONT]
[FONT=Cambria]
And to give some great character development to Larxene, that would actually give the character some depth–and perhaps make her one of the best written characters in the series, if sweet little Strelitzia ended up changing so drastically because of her horrible fate.[/FONT]
I honestly love this idea. I don't see it happening at all but now I wish it did. If only they looked similar, then maybe it could actually be a possibility.
I like the idea of Strelitzia being Marluxia's angel Nobody, but at the same time I don't like it because it means that Strelitzia will not only be dead but under Marluxia's control years later, making her another damsel in distress type character. I'm just hoping that she'll still do something even after death.
It could be a Drakengard situation instead where you form a pact. Striletzia's spirit forms a pact with Lauriam. She gets rid of his guilt of killing her in return for another opportunity to see Player again. That way, it's a parasitic pact in which Lauriam is ironically the host for Striletzia to live on.
@Alpha Baymax Hey. I only thought of it late last night, when I tiredly realized that the letters in Strelitzia's names were close to being a full anagram for Larxene's one. Leave me alone.
The series has certainly had bigger ass pulls.
And honestly, I'd prefer something like this over introducing and building this girl character up just to fridge her--and it would actually give some reason towards Larxene's attitude, rather than her just being Square's cardboard cutout attempt at a female antagonist number twenty-three--but to each their own, I guess.
And there was actually a good reason people were thinking the fifth leader could have been Kairi's grandmother (before she was revealed, I mean. After we saw Strelitzia had green eyes, that was the end of that theory). Canonically right now, only the new Union leaders are supposed to know anything about what happened with the Keyblade War--as everyone else either died, or had their memory altered--so how does Kairi's grandma know it (even if she does see it as a fairytale) if she wasn't a Union later? Unless Nomura eventually ends up having everyone get their memory back somehow, and then they pass it onto their kids or whatever.
Anyway, I think I need to step away from the fanbase (and even Square Enix) as a whole for now. I'm so mad and disappointed about this plot twist: For the first time ever now, seeing anything KH related isn't making me even remotely happy.
Anyway, I think I need to step away from the fanbase (and even Square Enix) as a whole for now. I'm so mad and disappointed about this plot twist: For the first time ever now, seeing anything KH related isn't making me even remotely happy.
as for me i going to be open mine about htis delopment in the story yeah i wish they could handle it better but they didnt so it is what it is in mean time i still dont think Lauriam killed her despide the black shawdow looking like him
people think every new female character is kairi's grandma
y'all are obsessed
Lauriam is Kairi's grandma.
Lauriam is Kairi's grandma.
Wait.. then that would mean
Riku is Kairi's dad!? :O
So Lauriam killed Strelitzia. What now? Why would he want to be inside the Dandelions? Also, has anyone stopped to think that maybe Blaine and Lauriam are in cahoots? I mean, Blaine has displayed to have had no prior knowledge of the Book. Maybe he also infiltrated himself in the group? And it's fishy that two individuals with no full knowledge of the group want in in it.
So Lauriam killed Strelitzia. What now? Why would he want to be inside the Dandelions? Also, has anyone stopped to think that maybe Blaine and Lauriam are in cahoots? I mean, Blaine has displayed to have had no prior knowledge of the Book. Maybe he also infiltrated himself in the group? And it's fishy that two individuals with no full knowledge of the group want in in it.
No prior knowledge of what book? Blaine is sketchy, yes, but if you're referring to Ava's law book, he seems to have full knowledge of its contents and he entered the meeting place well aware of what's going on.
@Alpha Baymax Hey. I only thought of it late last night, when I tiredly realized that the letters in Strelitzia's names were close to being a full anagram for Larxene's one. Leave me alone.
The series has certainly had bigger ass pulls.
And honestly, I'd prefer something like this over introducing and building this girl character up just to fridge her--and it would actually give some reason towards Larxene's attitude, rather than her just being Square's cardboard cutout attempt at a female antagonist number twenty-three--but to each their own, I guess.
And there was actually a good reason people were thinking the fifth leader could have been Kairi's grandmother (before she was revealed, I mean. After we saw Strelitzia had green eyes, that was the end of that theory). Canonically right now, only the new Union leaders are supposed to know anything about what happened with the Keyblade War--as everyone else either died, or had their memory altered--so how does Kairi's grandma know it (even if she does see it as a fairytale) if she wasn't a Union later? Unless Nomura eventually ends up having everyone get their memory back somehow, and then they pass it onto their kids or whatever.
Anyway, I think I need to step away from the fanbase (and even Square Enix) as a whole for now. I'm so mad and disappointed about this plot twist: For the first time ever now, seeing anything KH related isn't making me even remotely happy.
I know whatchu mean, still havn't gotten over it myself... especially since she reminded me of myself... Larxene huh, that'd be interesting. :3
It could be a Drakengard situation instead where you form a pact. Striletzia's spirit forms a pact with Lauriam. She gets rid of his guilt of killing her in return for another opportunity to see Player again. That way, it's a parasitic pact in which Lauriam is ironically the host for Striletzia to live on.
I don't really see Lauriam doing something like that though. We don't know much about him, but knowing Marluxia I don't really think he'll be a nice person.
Gotta say, I think this officially makes Strelitzia the Aerith of Kingdom Hearts now. I don' know what it is, but her death really kind of hurt. The only other time I felt that way about a death in the series was Xion. After Xion's death, I remember feeling a bit depressed after it, but with Strelitzia, I felt this even stronger. That's kind of saying something too, seeing what little time Strelitzia got. Of course, chances are, this is not the last we will see of her, seeing as death is almost non-existent in this series, but even so.
That said though, as some people pointed out already, I really can't help but wonder if the reaction to her death would have been as strong if she were a male, or perhaps had a less cute design. But I digress, that was nonetheless a very interesting development. Now I can say I am even more intrigued to see how the story will play out.
How about something like this?
Blaine is actually the master of masters and he raises questions to stir chaos among the newest dandelion leaders. He said I am supposed to be the last one is also to let people doubt lauriam later in the game for him being so slow where he actually know that
Strelitzia killed by lauriam which is actually is his plan all along. The line that he says he believed in ephemera although he has just met ephemera seems suspicious to me and remind me of how the master of masters said that he believed in his disciples and said that only they can do the missions that were assigned to them
Tbh I wasn't really that… sad about her death? It was a shock at first, but other than that? I didn't really feel anything.
Tbh I wasn't really that… sad about her death? It was a shock at first, but other than that? I didn't really feel anything.
I feel like that says more about this situation than anything. If she were a fully developed character and not this one note character designed to feel attached to you through stalking, then you would feel upset by this murder. She could have been developed to mean a lot more, more emphasis in some updates could have been put on her before this reveal.
Instead she was killed before she even made that much of an impression. You felt sad initially because of the shock of it all, and the overuse of this trope, as well as other people on the forum dictating how you're meant to feel (I felt this through some other posts before I initially commented on my disappointment in that other thread). That shows how useless she was as a character, and her only purpose was to die to shock the audience.
It was cheap, it was offensive, it was pointless. There are a lot of ways this could have gone but the writers chose an easy way out and you felt that, deep down. You didn't feel anything towards her despite sadness, because all the writers gave you was a pity story.
"Oh she has no friends and wants to meet the Player so badly."
"She was murdered when she was so close, how sad!!! :("
It's this reaction that we feel deep down. It's this reaction they pulled out of us for a cheap emotional ride to enhance our disgust at Marluxia's somebody. If he is the traitor or if he is not is irrelevant, we were manipulated into feeling a certain way about
Strelitzia so we would feel that way about Marluxia's somebody.
Muke, the way you feel is valid, and it's only valid because they wanted us to feel that way.
Strelitzia died for shock value and nothing more and it's disgraceful in this series, especially when you look at the numbers Sephiroth pulled about the ratio of males to females.
I have been very vocal about my admiration of Kingdom Hearts X/Unchained X/Union X, but this is so disgusting and disgraceful that I can't even imagine how they could try and win me back.
Of course, they don't need to win me back since I always follow these updates and I am an avid player of #KHUX_ENG but ultimately it is disgraceful that they feel they can get away with this.
If they have a bigger plan with
Strelitzia then that's irrelevant to what happened. If she comes back, then fantastic, that's great and she serves a higher purpose where we can get to know who she is, what she stands for, and where she fights whether as a Nobody or whatever they want to pursue. But when it comes down to it, they played on a bare emotional tether to this character and it did not pay off with how they ended this character arc.
Edit: BEFORE anyone comes for me saying this is illogical, or I never get passionate about KH stuff because I'm a bitter old gay queen, please note I am VERY drunk. I only post massive chunks of emotion when drunk and I feel very upset and disgusted at this, especially as a fellow writer and Producer of television. This is a cheap stunt I would never attempt to replicate on any show I make.
I feel like that says more about this situation than anything. If she were a fully developed character and not this one note character designed to feel attached to you through stalking, then you would feel upset by this murder. She could have been developed to mean a lot more, more emphasis in some updates could have been put on her before this reveal.
Instead she was killed before she even made that much of an impression. You felt sad initially because of the shock of it all, and the overuse of this trope, as well as other people on the forum dictating how you're meant to feel (I felt this through some other posts before I initially commented on my disappointment in that other thread). That shows how useless she was as a character, and her only purpose was to die to shock the audience.
It was cheap, it was offensive, it was pointless. There are a lot of ways this could have gone but the writers chose an easy way out and you felt that, deep down. You didn't feel anything towards her despite sadness, because all the writers gave you was a pity story.
"Oh she has no friends and wants to meet the Player so badly."
"She was murdered when she was so close, how sad!!! :("
It's this reaction that we feel deep down. It's this reaction they pulled out of us for a cheap emotional ride to enhance our disgust at Marluxia's somebody. If he is the traitor or if he is not is irrelevant, we were manipulated into feeling a certain way about
Strelitzia so we would feel that way about Marluxia's somebody.
Muke, the way you feel is valid, and it's only valid because they wanted us to feel that way.
Strelitzia died for shock value and nothing more and it's disgraceful in this series, especially when you look at the numbers Sephiroth pulled about the ratio of males to females.
I have been very vocal about my admiration of Kingdom Hearts X/Unchained X/Union X, but this is so disgusting and disgraceful that I can't even imagine how they could try and win me back.
Of course, they don't need to win me back since I always follow these updates and I am an avid player of #KHUX_ENG but ultimately it is disgraceful that they feel they can get away with this.
If they have a bigger plan with
Strelitzia then that's irrelevant to what happened. If she comes back, then fantastic, that's great and she serves a higher purpose where we can get to know who she is, what she stands for, and where she fights whether as a Nobody or whatever they want to pursue. But when it comes down to it, they played on a bare emotional tether to this character and it did not pay off with how they ended this character arc.
Edit: BEFORE anyone comes for me saying this is illogical, or I never get passionate about KH stuff because I'm a bitter old gay queen, please note I am VERY drunk. I only post massive chunks of emotion when drunk and I feel very upset and disgusted at this, especially as a fellow writer and Producer of television. This is a cheap stunt I would never attempt to replicate on any show I make.
Thank you for this post, Chaser. Really. I think you said it a lot better than I would ever be able to, and I will always link this post when someone asks me about why I didn't get sad, or why I think what they pulled is disgusting.
I feel like that says more about this situation than anything. If she were a fully developed character and not this one note character designed to feel attached to you through stalking, then you would feel upset by this murder. She could have been developed to mean a lot more, more emphasis in some updates could have been put on her before this reveal.
Instead she was killed before she even made that much of an impression. You felt sad initially because of the shock of it all, and the overuse of this trope, as well as other people on the forum dictating how you're meant to feel (I felt this through some other posts before I initially commented on my disappointment in that other thread). That shows how useless she was as a character, and her only purpose was to die to shock the audience.
It was cheap, it was offensive, it was pointless. There are a lot of ways this could have gone but the writers chose an easy way out and you felt that, deep down. You didn't feel anything towards her despite sadness, because all the writers gave you was a pity story.
"Oh she has no friends and wants to meet the Player so badly."
"She was murdered when she was so close, how sad!!! :("
It's this reaction that we feel deep down. It's this reaction they pulled out of us for a cheap emotional ride to enhance our disgust at Marluxia's somebody. If he is the traitor or if he is not is irrelevant, we were manipulated into feeling a certain way about
Strelitzia so we would feel that way about Marluxia's somebody.
Muke, the way you feel is valid, and it's only valid because they wanted us to feel that way.
Strelitzia died for shock value and nothing more and it's disgraceful in this series, especially when you look at the numbers Sephiroth pulled about the ratio of males to females.
I have been very vocal about my admiration of Kingdom Hearts X/Unchained X/Union X, but this is so disgusting and disgraceful that I can't even imagine how they could try and win me back.
Of course, they don't need to win me back since I always follow these updates and I am an avid player of #KHUX_ENG but ultimately it is disgraceful that they feel they can get away with this.
If they have a bigger plan with
Strelitzia then that's irrelevant to what happened. If she comes back, then fantastic, that's great and she serves a higher purpose where we can get to know who she is, what she stands for, and where she fights whether as a Nobody or whatever they want to pursue. But when it comes down to it, they played on a bare emotional tether to this character and it did not pay off with how they ended this character arc.
Edit: BEFORE anyone comes for me saying this is illogical, or I never get passionate about KH stuff because I'm a bitter old gay queen, please note I am VERY drunk. I only post massive chunks of emotion when drunk and I feel very upset and disgusted at this, especially as a fellow writer and Producer of television. This is a cheap stunt I would never attempt to replicate on any show I make.
Have to admit, after reading this, I don't think I could have put it better myself. Now that the initial shock is over from the scene, and now that I look over this scene again, this was ultimately my feelings as well. I now take back what I said about Strelitzia being like Aerith. It's not even close. Although the scene did hit me hard, now I'm thinking it may have been because this scene was really unneeded from a writing standpoint, as many have said. Honestly, I was not expecting something like this from KH, even after all the other writing faults they have had.
Thank you for this post, Chaser. Really. I think you said it a lot better than I would ever be able to, and I will always link this post when someone asks me about why I didn't get sad, or why I think what they pulled is disgusting.
Thank you. I know, when I was on staff I wasn't the most warm but everything I ever said and wrote came out of a place of love for this series. I stuck with #KHUX_ENG because I loved this series and it's updates but despite it all KH3 needs to show more for me to get me to love it, and this most recent UX update left me feeling so disgusted.
Have to admit, after reading this, I don't think I could have put it better myself. Now that the initial shock is over from the scene, and now that I look over this scene again, this was ultimately my feelings as well. I now take back what I said about Strelitzia being like Aerith. It's not even close. Although the scene did hit me hard, now I'm thinking it may have been because this scene was really unneeded from a writing standpoint, as many have said. Honestly, I was not expecting something like this from KH, even after all the other writing faults they have had.
Aerith at least got time to be developed. We knew who she was, that she has aspirations, that she had an end goal. We learnt she was important. They subverted that by killing her off, a plot point at that time that was shocking because of how under-utilised it was. In 1997, the audience had gotten use to every main character to have importance to overcome the inciting incidence and save the world, but FF was the first in seven games to subvert that trope so early on and it was shocking and it has stayed with people forever. KHUX didn't get that because Strelitzia only lived for two weeks and all we knew was she was a stalker.
Pretty much agree with everything said above. Wasn't even necessarily even sad but shocked they would do something so stupid. Like i remember saying that multiple times to myself and laughing at the same time when i first read about it and saying it again when i watched the actual scene.
Lol i really want to see how Japanese fanbase feels about this.
Edit: BEFORE anyone comes for me saying this is illogical, or I never get passionate about KH stuff because I'm a bitter old gay queen, please note I am VERY drunk. I only post massive chunks of emotion when drunk and I feel very upset and disgusted at this, especially as a fellow writer and Producer of television. This is a cheap stunt I would never attempt to replicate on any show I make.
I agree with what you said btw
I feel like that says more about this situation than anything. If she were a fully developed character and not this one note character designed to feel attached to you through stalking, then you would feel upset by this murder. She could have been developed to mean a lot more, more emphasis in some updates could have been put on her before this reveal.
Instead she was killed before she even made that much of an impression. You felt sad initially because of the shock of it all, and the overuse of this trope, as well as other people on the forum dictating how you're meant to feel (I felt this through some other posts before I initially commented on my disappointment in that other thread). That shows how useless she was as a character, and her only purpose was to die to shock the audience.
It was cheap, it was offensive, it was pointless. There are a lot of ways this could have gone but the writers chose an easy way out and you felt that, deep down. You didn't feel anything towards her despite sadness, because all the writers gave you was a pity story.
"Oh she has no friends and wants to meet the Player so badly."
"She was murdered when she was so close, how sad!!! :("
It's this reaction that we feel deep down. It's this reaction they pulled out of us for a cheap emotional ride to enhance our disgust at Marluxia's somebody. If he is the traitor or if he is not is irrelevant, we were manipulated into feeling a certain way about
Strelitzia so we would feel that way about Marluxia's somebody.
Muke, the way you feel is valid, and it's only valid because they wanted us to feel that way.
Strelitzia died for shock value and nothing more and it's disgraceful in this series, especially when you look at the numbers Sephiroth pulled about the ratio of males to females.
I have been very vocal about my admiration of Kingdom Hearts X/Unchained X/Union X, but this is so disgusting and disgraceful that I can't even imagine how they could try and win me back.
Of course, they don't need to win me back since I always follow these updates and I am an avid player of #KHUX_ENG but ultimately it is disgraceful that they feel they can get away with this.
If they have a bigger plan with
Strelitzia then that's irrelevant to what happened. If she comes back, then fantastic, that's great and she serves a higher purpose where we can get to know who she is, what she stands for, and where she fights whether as a Nobody or whatever they want to pursue. But when it comes down to it, they played on a bare emotional tether to this character and it did not pay off with how they ended this character arc.
Edit: BEFORE anyone comes for me saying this is illogical, or I never get passionate about KH stuff because I'm a bitter old gay queen, please note I am VERY drunk. I only post massive chunks of emotion when drunk and I feel very upset and disgusted at this, especially as a fellow writer and Producer of television. This is a cheap stunt I would never attempt to replicate on any show I make.
Dude don't feel bad, you're amazing and I totally understand your point, even if you feel like you won't anymore when you're sober. It IS disgraceful to the series.
like you guys said i wish they could handle it better but they didn't but it does intregues me though with the story on what going on plus one thing needs to said wheather killing stelitiza good or bad idea it got us talking which is the point nomura trying to do
I keep wondering in my head whether a) Nomura planned this all along, b) he just changed his mind at the last minute. I know that he doesn't plan ahead, but it begs the question how far he planned ahead with this update.
Either way it just feels so unsatisfying. Like something was being built up and they just aborted it because...well, I don't even know.
I kinda like that Marly is more important in the grand scheme of things, but I think it could have been handled better.
I keep wondering in my head whether a) Nomura planned this all along, b) he just changed his mind at the last minute. I know that he doesn't plan ahead, but it begs the question how far he planned ahead with this update.
Either way it just feels so unsatisfying. Like something was being built up and they just aborted it because...well, I don't even know.
I kinda like that Marly is more important in the grand scheme of things, but I think it could have been handled better.
Striletzia's hairclip is shaped as XI: The position that Marluxia is in for Organization XIII. And when you really think about it, the story updates were split into two for this month as opposed to a singular story update. In layman terms, she was destined to die.
Reconnect Kingdom Hearts lol.
Striletzia's hairclip is shaped as XI: The position that Marluxia is in for Organization XIII. And when you really think about it, the story updates were split into two for this month as opposed to a singular story update. In layman terms, she was destined to die.
Reconnect Kingdom Hearts lol.
Kingdom Hearts. Where the letter X and numbers are your worst enemy.
Striletzia's hairclip is shaped as XI: The position that Marluxia is in for Organization XIII. And when you really think about it, the story updates were split into two for this month as opposed to a singular story update. In layman terms, she was destined to die.
Reconnect Kingdom Hearts lol.
I still don't want to believe she's gone D: Such a meh choice. It'll be interesting how much of the new leaders we'll see though, I'm looking forward to seeing Marly interact with the others. Feels weird that he knows Ven, considering the whole Roxas situation later. Hmm did he ever even meet Roxas though? Guess not since he was in Castle Oblivion the whole time.
Striletzia's hairclip is shaped as XI: The position that Marluxia is in for Organization XIII. And when you really think about it, the story updates were split into two for this month as opposed to a singular story update. In layman terms, she was destined to die.
Reconnect Kingdom Hearts lol.
Yeah I thought so too.. but after the last global update I'm going to say it's a coincidence. In Story Quest 661 we see that the girl with purple hair and red pirate cap has the same XI style hairclip except yellow. There's probably more examples but we just haven't noticed now that we've started studying Strelitizia.
Edit: 661 my bad
Thinking on it, while Strelitzia being created just so she'll be killed off by the traitor for cheap shock value is still a crap move, it's not exactly like she's the first character in the series who's made to be killed.
Lexaeus had zero purpose in CoM/Re:CoM outside from giving being killed by an Ansem SoD-possessed Riku. Demyx and Luxord's purpose in KH2 was to fill their respective number in Organization XIII and give us more boss battles.
Admittedly, there's plenty of valid arguments about how their deaths are different from her's, like the stuff from Days, how they're alive again, and of course that Strelitzia's death was intended to invoke da feelz while the dudes were killed because they're the bad guys and Sora is the good guy (and Ansem SoD is a stupid jerk.)
Looks like someone's ripped some artwork from the game and found a shadowy figure that's Lauriam-shaped.
kougyokuss
I found another one of him kneeling to pick up the book if anyone wants that. I didn't really find much else if anyone wants any further "proof." A lot of the files are usually broken when I rip from the game.
I found another one of him kneeling to pick up the book if anyone wants that. I didn't really find much else if anyone wants any further "proof." A lot of the files are usually broken when I rip from the game.
Absolutely! Please do post that one, too! :)
Abaolutely! Please do send that, too! :)
Here you go! :)
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Just a little musing. If the whole point of the scene was to obscure the identity of the assailant why should the developers even use Laurium's frame? Seems like they could've just as easily used a generic silhouette to get the same results and not risk the identity being exposed. It's logical to assume they just never thought about people going to these lengths to find out. Personally if it was me I'd do this on purpose to influence the fans and make it a big surprise when someone else actually was the killer XD. Unfortunately I don't think SE is imagitive to come up with that.
I don't know if they wanted to fully obscure the killer. There were definitely better ways to do that. Even without ripping the game, it's not that hard to see the figure has Lauriam's shape.
I think we are supposed to think it was Lauriam just from that last scene, but they wanted the first scene he fully appears to be the one at the very end of the update. The pink hair would be a pretty big giveaway and taken out the surprise of seeing him in the end.
Alright so pretty much you could say that they left the Lauriam silhouette so that after you see him in the end and go back to check and match the hairstyle up. Maybe also to convince people that he's the real deal and Blaine isn't the true traitor like others had thought at first.
I have a question, and sorry if it's already been answered, but the house Strelitzia was in before the thing happened, was that the same house Gula was in in KHX when Skuld, the Player and Chirithy found him to try and find Ava and he told them about the Lost Page and that Ava had found Luxu? It's been awhile since I watched the KHX cutscenes but the room/house she was in just looked way too familiar to me.
I have a question, and sorry if it's already been answered, but the house Strelitzia was in before the thing happened, was that the same house Gula was in in KHX when Skuld, the Player and Chirithy found him to try and find Ava and he told them about the Lost Page and that Ava had found Luxu? It's been awhile since I watched the KHX cutscenes but the room/house she was in just looked way too familiar to me.
Yes, it's the very same place :)
I don't know if it's just me, but I'm under the impression that Strelitzia never entered the Unchained Realm. This could potentially mean that Lauriam wasn't meant to be a Dandelion to begin with let alone a Union leader...
.....although I doubt this is true, could Lauriam be Gula? It's not as if we know what actually happened to any of the Union leaders, as their fate is never shown.
I don't know if it's just me, but I'm under the impression that Strelitzia never entered the Unchained Realm. This could potentially mean that Lauriam wasn't meant to be a Dandelion to begin with let alone a Union leader...
Honestly when I saw Strelitzia's heart float into the air I assumed that she would enter the unchained realm regardless of her being dead or not. But seeing Lauriam may have dented that little theory.
I still don't want to believe she's gone D: Such a meh choice. It'll be interesting how much of the new leaders we'll see though, I'm looking forward to seeing Marly interact with the others. Feels weird that he knows Ven, considering the whole Roxas situation later. Hmm did he ever even meet Roxas though? Guess not since he was in Castle Oblivion the whole time.
They did meet. Every new Organization member is being introduced to the others in Where nothing gathers I believe the room is called. Also - I might be wrong on that - Marluxia and Roxas had at least one mission together before he was deployed to Castle Oblivion round Day 20 of Roxas's existence.
Just a little musing. If the whole point of the scene was to obscure the identity of the assailant why should the developers even use Laurium's frame? Seems like they could've just as easily used a generic silhouette to get the same results and not risk the identity being exposed. It's logical to assume they just never thought about people going to these lengths to find out. Personally if it was me I'd do this on purpose to influence the fans and make it a big surprise when someone else actually was the killer XD. Unfortunately I don't think SE is imagitive to come up with that.
I'd assume programming reasons. It's easier to use an obscured sprite to move objects on your screen than have the normally lifeless object suddenly move on its own. But that's just my theory, I have no idea of programming and game design whatsoever.
What I do want to point out though (because it has been pointed out to me before) is that while the sprite shows Lauriam picking up the book, it doesn't show him outright killing Strelitzia, right? (Or is it from that particular moment?)
I mean I personally don't expect her killer and the person who picked up the book to be two different persons, but it is a valid argument that in theory it's still possible.
They did meet. Every new Organization member is being introduced to the others in Where nothing gathers I believe the room is called. Also - I might be wrong on that - Marluxia and Roxas had at least one mission together before he was deployed to Castle Oblivion round Day 20 of Roxas's existence.
I'd assume programming reasons. It's easier to use an obscured sprite to move objects on your screen than have the normally lifeless object suddenly move on its own. But that's just my theory, I have no idea of programming and game design whatsoever.
What I do want to point out though (because it has been pointed out to me before) is that while the sprite shows Lauriam picking up the book, it doesn't show him outright killing Strelitzia, right? (Or is it from that particular moment?)
I mean I personally don't expect her killer and the person who picked up the book to be two different persons, but it is a valid argument that in theory it's still possible.
About the last thing - they never animated the 'kill', since the screen just fades black and we hear the sound effects
Here you go! :)
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Remember when people thought the Mysterious Figure was Saix because MF was using his model? Good times.
One thing I find weird is, if the person who picks up the book really is meant to be Lauriam, then what's the point of obscuring the sprite so much? Just make it a black silhouette. No need to turn it into blurry TV static. Unless they want to leave things open in case Nomura later wants it to be someone else.
Or they're just using blurry Lauriam to straight up mess with us. That's what I'd do.
strelitzia is basically just a condensed version of xion in days
and yet the rage and disgust over it here is a lot more potent than it ever was for xion (who also was fridged, whose entire existence and writing was constructed to be emotionally manipulative as well except spread out over an entire game).
idk. i'm not really feeling this as a "new low for the series". it's really just... more of the same.
strelitzia is basically just a condensed version of xion in days
and yet the rage and disgust over it here is a lot more potent than it ever was for xion (who also was fridged, whose entire existence and writing was constructed to be emotionally manipulative as well except spread out over an entire game).
idk. i'm not really feeling this as a "new low for the series". it's really just... more of the same.
Difference is, Striletzia wasn't an alternate version or clone of a pre-existing character, she was an individual character void of any connections with anybody else. They killed of a character with a lot of promise.
has anyone brought up the possibility that strelitzia might have been the one who was meant to be given the Book of Prophecies and now that she has been murdered it has fallen into the wrong hands which is, gasp, the thing that /wasnt/ supposed to happen~~~
?
has anyone brought up the possibility that strelitzia might have been the one who was meant to be given the Book of Prophecies and now that she has been murdered it has fallen into the wrong hands which is, gasp, the thing that /wasnt/ supposed to happen~~~
?
I mean, we would have seen the BoP then. We only ever see her rulebook, sooo
I mean, we would have seen the BoP then. We only ever see her rulebook, sooo
unless it deliberately obscured for the twist reveal later where we see another flashback where she is given it this entire time but must keep it a secret (yknow like every update since union cross).
ya just never know with this new season. twists on twists on twists.
all poorly constructed like a jenga tower
has anyone brought up the possibility that strelitzia might have been the one who was meant to be given the Book of Prophecies and now that she has been murdered it has fallen into the wrong hands which is, gasp, the thing that /wasnt/ supposed to happen~~~
?
It'd be all the more ironic if Lauriam turns out not to be a Dandelion, because I have a hunch that Striletzia never entered the Unchained Realm to begin with.
has anyone brought up the possibility that strelitzia might have been the one who was meant to be given the Book of Prophecies and now that she has been murdered it has fallen into the wrong hands which is, gasp, the thing that /wasnt/ supposed to happen~~~
?
Such a thing would certainly explain as to why the "bad guys"/the forces wanting for Darkness to prevail are so often depicted as being one step ahead of everything.
Another question I would bring to the table is also what version of the BoP the single copy intended for "that one kid" is, the MoM-version which includes the Lost Page or the Foreteller-version which omits it?
Regardless of the situation with the BoP though it is obvious that the five new union leaders and whatever the original "plan" and "role" of Ava and the MoM for the Dandelions was is screwed. One of the five is a mole/traitor working for something not intended and that combined with Blaine already having an uneasiness about how things are supposed to go down and Ephemer apparently insecure and somewhat overwhelmed by the prospect of having to be a leader is a default setup for disaster.
unless it deliberately obscured for the twist reveal later where we see another flashback where she is given it this entire time but must keep it a secret (yknow like every update since union cross).
ya just never know with this new season. twists on twists on twists.
all poorly constructed like a jenga tower
Agreed, lol, Nomura is just playing the "everything needs to be surprising"-card again and builds a whole heap of twists above twists which ultimatively hurts the narrative more instead of enriching it.
It'd be all the more ironic if Lauriam turns out not to be a Dandelion, because I have a hunch that Striletzia never entered the Unchained Realm to begin with.
Since all the scenes involving Strelitzia are flashbacks to the time period of Browser Chi I'd say this is correct. Strelitzia was "fridged" even before the actual war started.
Lauriam not being a Dandelion would at first raise the question as to how in this case he would even be able to enter the Unchained Realm as non-Dandelions are not even supposed to know about it, but then one remembers that the Player Avatar is also no Dandelion and is present in the Unchained Realm as well, so there is a way for Non-Dandelions to enter.
Who started this Unchained Realm thing
In the game Ava describes unchained as a state of being
When did that turn into a whole Realm
Lauriam's placement in this game may not have been as forced as we all may have assumed...
Lauriam's placement in this game may not have been as forced as we all may have assumed...
I mean there were a lot of speculations about Marluxia when those KH3 trailers hit. I guess most people just rather expected him there and not in UX. I know I did.
I mean there were a lot of speculations about Marluxia when those KH3 trailers hit. I guess most people just rather expected him there and not in UX. I know I did.
Precisely this. It was a given that he was going to be in KH3, but he was a surprising addition to the KHUx cast. There weren't any hints.
Difference is, Striletzia wasn't an alternate version or clone of a pre-existing character, she was an individual character void of any connections with anybody else. They killed of a character with a lot of promise.
eXactly Xion had her story and her life came to a fitting conclusion, she is where she is meant to be. Honeslty reviving her the way they plan to is so cringey. Strilezia was Hi bye,
Who started this Unchained Realm thing
In the game Ava describes unchained as a state of being
When did that turn into a whole Realm
I want to know that too because I am reading this all the time now. It's mostly used as synonym for the Sleeping Worlds but that can't be correct either.
Lauriam's placement in this game may not have been as forced as we all may have assumed...
those Dandelion Heartless... Does it mean he is either
1: strongly identifies himself as a Dandelion
2: have strong negative emotions directed to the other dandelions
I think that meant that Unchained, being a dream, is in the Realm of Dreams.
The_Echo
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