(SPOILERS) Union X: Person of Interest
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- Published on December 27, 2018 @ 06:00 am
- Written by Cecily
5 main story quests have been added on 12/27 at 15:00 JST (No. 851~855)!
Watch the cutscene below, with translations by goldpanner!
(Lauriam and Elrena sit on the stairs and talk.)
Elrena: Strelitzia is missing...?
Lauriam: My little sister wasn't one to say much, even to me, but it seems as though the two of you were in the same party a few times.
I had heard her mention your name before, so I thought maybe you might know something.
Elrena: I don't really know anything either.
Strelitzia spent a lot of time alone... It wasn't like we were friends. We only ever talked about missions.
Lauriam: Really...
My little sister was hesitating over whether to join the Dandelions, and I was trying to persuade her. But I haven't met with her since then, or even seen her around.
Elrena: Hm... I have seen her a few times, but it always looked like she was waiting for someone, so I didn't bother saying anything to her.
Lauriam: Waiting for someone?
(Elrena gestures towards the Fountain Plaza)
Elrena: I often saw her up on the roof of the Fountain Plaza. But, I guess it's been quite a while since the last time I saw her...
You know how Lady Ava made that speech? About how soon Union would fight against Union. Nothing happened in the end. But that was around the last time I saw Strelitzia.
Lauriam (thinking): Nothing happened? Is this because of the overwriting?
Elrena doesn't seem to remember it, but that would have been before the Keyblade War... Don't tell me she ended up fighting in that battle...
Elrena: Your sister is dear to you, isn't she.
Lauriam: Sure?
(Elrena laughs briefly.)
Elrena: I wish I could help you...
(She thinks for a moment, then it hits her.)
Elrena: Oh... Maybe I can!
(She turns and calls as loud as she can. Lauriam grimaces from the noise.)
Elrena: Chirithy!
(Elrena's Chirithy appears from above and lands on her.)
Chirithy: You call, and I come ru--
(Elrena cuts him off.)
Elrena: Hey honey, weren't you good friends with Strelitzia's Chirithy?
Chirithy: Oh, I sure was.
Lauriam: Did he ever say anything about her?
Chirithy: What...? Why would a Union Leader want to know that?
Elrena: This is Lauriam, Strelitzia's big brother.
She's gone missing. Have you heard anything about her?
Chirithy: Hm... The last time I met him, he was looking for someone...
Lauriam: There's that 'someone' again...
Chirithy: It seems like there was someone who had caught Strelitzia's interest since way back, even though she didn't know their name.
Lauriam: Not even their name?
Chirithy: They were really quiet, apparently. But she was desperate to invite them into the Dandelions.
Lauriam: When you last met him, was it after the bell? Or before?
Chirithy: Bell...? Oh, yes. I think it was before?
Lauriam: I see...
Lauriam (thinking): It definitely seems the trail goes cold just before the Keyblade War...
Whoever Strelitzia was interested in must be the key...
Chirithy: That reminds me. The last time we met, it was around there, I think.
(Chirithy gestures towards the abandoned warehouse.)
Chirithy: While we were talking, we saw some people enter that building, and then he rushed back to Strelitzia.
When the Union Leaders were announced a little while later, one of those people was among you. Skuld.
Lauriam: Skuld!?
(He begins to walk away.)
Elrena: Does that seem like a lead?
Lauriam: Yes, it does. Thank you, both of you.
If you remember anything else, could you let me know?
Elrena: Of course.
Lauriam: Until we meet again.
(Lauriam walks off. After he leaves, Elrena heads towards the door of the abandoned warehouse.)
Chirithy: Where are you going?
Elrena: Over to that building, isn't it obvious?
Maybe there's a clue in there.
Chirithy: You don't normally care much about other people, is all.
Elrena: Oh, whatever!
(They head inside.)
(Back to the Union leaders. Brain is reading the Book of Prophecies while Ephemera, Skuld and Ven chat together.)
Ven: Oh, Lauriam.
(Everyone turns towards him.)
Lauriam: Just who I wanted to see.
Ephemera: Hey, if you were going to be back so soon, we could have waited for you. We were just talking about that "Shift Pride" rule and...
(Lauriam cuts him off.)
Lauriam: Sorry, there's something I have to ask Skuld.
Skuld: Huh? Me?
(Later...)
Lauriam: I see...
Skuld: I'm sorry I couldn't be of any help...
Lauriam: No, it's fine, thank you.
She was a really good girl. Maybe she followed the person she was interested in right into that battle...
Ven: Oh no...
(Brain, still not looking up from the book, speaks up.)
Brain: Can I say something?
Lauriam: Hm?
Brain: This person your little sister was interested in. If she was looking to invite them into the Dandelions, then they couldn't have joined before the bell rang.
In other words, your sister WAS a Dandelion then, even though according to you she was supposed to be still wavering on it.
If they had been a member of the Dandelions, this person would have been present when Lady Ava made her speech at the Fountain Plaza, and your sister wouldn't have missed them either.
(He closes the book and turns towards the others.)
Brain: That means this person most likely did fight in the Keyblade War. And your sister wanted to invite them into the Dandelions for some reason, when you say she was hesitating herself.
Weird, huh?
Lauriam: ...
Ephemera: Brain, you just made me think of someone...
Lauriam: Huh?
Ephemera: "A really quiet person who didn't join the Dandelions"...
(Skuld realizes who he's referring to.)
Skuld: Oh!
Lauriam: Do you know who it could be?
Ephemera: They're a friend of mine.
COMMENTS
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
HI LAURIAM IS THE BROTHER GOODBYE FOR NOW
No surprises there because you said this during the last update and I trust what you provide :)
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
So this is then the last story update before KH III hits or is there more?
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
So this is then the last story update before KH III hits or is there more?
They don't specify. But personally, I'd bet on the next drop happening right before or on the 25th.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
How has it only been a month since this debate started? It feels like its been half a year lol. Glad to finally know for sure who the sibling is so we can move on to hopefully finding out more lol.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
How has it only been a month since this debate started? It feels like its been half a year lol. Glad to finally know for sure who the sibling is so we can move on to hopefully finding out more lol.
It's kind of too bad Larxene isn't the sibling. Would have made a good parallel between those two and Anna and Elsa. Oh well. Maybe the could still have had a sister like bond in the past.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
They don't specify. But personally, I'd bet on the next drop happening right before or on the 25th.
Marketing wise certainly a move to be expected.
Although I do scratch my head when remembering Nomura stating how the main scenario would pick up pace and how Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus and "two others" will be the key/catalyst for a big upheaval in the narrative.
Neither have happened as far as the main story goes and from how things go it looks like the narrative is still stuck in the first act and the meetings of the Dandelion leaders are used only to explain gameplay features instead of developing their relationships with each other and the plot.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Marketing wise certainly a move to be expected.
Although I do scratch my head when remembering Nomura stating how the main scenario would pick up pace and how Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus and "two others" will be the key/catalyst for a big upheaval in the narrative.
Neither have happened as far as the main story goes and from how things go it looks like the narrative is still stuck in the first act and the meetings of the Dandelion leaders are used only to explain gameplay features instead of developing their relationships with each other and the plot.
I don’t trust a single thing said about this game now unless the devs admit “yeah we fucked up and are just here to take your money.†SENA just smiles while lying about when things will drop and pretend to be community focused when they say things and then their actions go against that.
It’s just even more disappointing that Nomura said this story would pick up the pace and yet we are only privy to 5 quests a month. They’re spending their time on things that will get them money instead of working on things the fans will want. It’s so insulting to have this game go against what the creator of the entire series says as well. Gah, I’m just so consistently furious with KHUX.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Still gonna be salty about Glacie saying that these updates won't be important to KH3. UH. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THIS IS GOING TO PLAY INTO A TON OF DYNAMICS.
I'm already just thinking of the mirror of how Vanitas calls Ven his brother (rudely and mockingly) while we have Strelitzia as Lauriam's sister. And knowing Lauriam and Elrena knew each other because of Strelitzia makes this all the more intense.
I'm 100% backing my theory that Ventus killed Strelitzia but Vanitas is the one who has the memories of that rather than Ven and that is going to come into play briefly in KH3.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Main Story Update
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Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
I'm 100% backing my theory that Ventus killed Strelitzia but Vanitas is the one who has the memories of that rather than Ven and that is going to come into play briefly in KH3.
Gotta admit, i think that would be an awesome plot twist on the theory!
(i always thought it was little too, i dont know... convenient/obvious? that Lauriam killed Strelitzia. With Marluxia
being an assassin and all that. )
*Imagines Nomura scripting* "Yesss thats right. Keep believing its Lauriam, his the bad guy"
What makes you think it could be Ventus that killed Strelitzia though? and that Vanitas has the memories of it?
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Gotta admit, i think that would be an awesome plot twist on the theory!
(i always thought it was little too, i dont know... convenient/obvious? that Lauriam killed Strelitzia. With Marluxia
being an assassin and all that. )
*Imagines Nomura scripting* "Yesss thats right. Keep believing its Lauriam, his the bad guy"
What makes you think it could be Ventus that killed Strelitzia though? and that Vanitas has the memories of it?
I can't speak for Spockanort, but I agree with her and think Nomura would do it because he thinks we would find it shocking lol. He seems to pride himself on crazy twists over anything else. So it seems up his alley. Plus I guess it would make Ven's inclusion more purposeful? And it would give more insight into why Xehanort maybe chose him since he must have some serious darkness if this turns out to be true. I mean, I guess Vanitas is already proof of that to a point.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Main Story Update
Honestly that theory would be pretty interesting as well since we don't know anything about Ven (who he was, what he was like etc) before the split. Which could also be more interesting in general, but it's Nomura, what would be an interesting idea if well executed may end up getting fumbled for the shock and barely explored.
So this cutscene is going to be a bit confusing for those who haven't kept up with KHX. There's several references to events that took place pre-Keyblade War, such as the bell that tolls for the final battle and the meeting with Gula in the abandoned warehouse.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Glad we can finally label the lid on the whole sister thing.
Also, I know it's a different style and a laidback atmosphere (kinda), but seeing Elrena calling her Chirithy who then appears on top of her making her fall it's sooo weird. It's so odd associating such a "Sora moment" to Larxene.
Still gonna be salty about Glacie saying that these updates won't be important to KH3. UH. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THIS IS GOING TO PLAY INTO A TON OF DYNAMICS.
Even just how does this change our perspective of these characters is enough to make these scenes important. I'll never understand that answer.
I'd really like to know why Ven is a huge suspect because Vens personality hasn't changed at all from what we've seen.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Glad we can finally label the lid on the whole sister thing.
Also, I know it's a different style and a laidback atmosphere (kinda), but seeing Elrena calling her Chirithy who then appears on top of her making her fall it's sooo weird. It's so odd associating such a "Sora moment" to Larxene.
She also speaks really politely. Total opposite of Larxene.
I'd really like to know why Ven is a huge suspect because Vens personality hasn't changed at all from what we've seen.
We’ve only really known Ventus when he’s just a heart of pure light. Who Ventus is when he has the part of his heart that made Vanitas is unexplored. And we know how bad Vanitas is, so how the question on our lips is how dark could Ventus actually be when he is whole.
I don’t trust a single thing said about this game now unless the devs admit “yeah we diddlyed up and are just here to take your money.†SENA just smiles while lying about when things will drop and pretend to be community focused when they say things and then their actions go against that.
It’s just even more disappointing that Nomura said this story would pick up the pace and yet we are only privy to 5 quests a month. They’re spending their time on things that will get them money instead of working on things the fans will want. It’s so insulting to have this game go against what the creator of the entire series says as well. Gah, I’m just so consistently furious with KHUX.
Yea, I can understand that.
Going by this pace though not even the JP version will have anything tangible to go with when KH III hits I'm afraid.
I wonder if Nomura is frustrated too with how UX is handled?
He seemed to favor a more frequent pace of story updates.
So this cutscene is going to be a bit confusing for those who haven't kept up with KHX. There's several references to events that took place pre-Keyblade War, such as the bell that tolls for the final battle and the meeting with Gula in the abandoned warehouse.
I guess Skuld is bringing it up since no one else was present at the meeting with Gula?
If someone else brings it up that would be fishy.
Even just how does this change our perspective of these characters is enough to make these scenes important. I'll never understand that answer.
I am not entirely sure of this either as I don't see yet any big reveal that would make me think differently of all the characters involved.
I'd really like to know why Ven is a huge suspect because Vens personality hasn't changed at all from what we've seen.
Indeed, even further from what I've seen so far of UX-Ven he comes over as even "softer" than BBS-Ven.
Dunno if that has to do with him being four years younger or something else.
It certainly fits with Xehanort's assessment that he's "too benign for his own good" though.
We’ve only really known Ventus when he’s just a heart of pure light. Who Ventus is when he has the part of his heart that made Vanitas is unexplored. And we know how bad Vanitas is, so how the question on our lips is how dark could Ventus actually be when he is whole.
What is with the Ventus we just see now?
Like I said above to Seighart this Ven comes over as even more soft and innocent than the "heart of pure light"-version we know from BBS.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
Gist of the update is as follows:
Strelitzia was in a party with Elrena, hence Lauriam coming to talk to her. This encounter happens in the data, and Elrena says something odd that Lauriam suspects might be a rewrite (my kanji ain't so good so I dunno what it was).
Elrena's Chirithy talks about seeing Strelitzia looking for "someone who doesn't talk much but was invited to the Dandelions," and that she entered the storehouse.
Chirithy also mentions that Skuld visited the storehouse as well, but came out looking confused. All this takes place before the bell tolls.
Lauriam thanks Elrena for the help and leaves. Then, Elrena decides to enter the storehouse and investigate herself.
Back at Union Leader HQ, Lauriam asks Skuld about it, but she doesn't have a clue. Lauriam worries that Strelitzia may have been led into the War, and Blaine surmises that maybe this "someone" didn't actually join the Dandelions after all.
Ephemera then reveals he thinks he knows who the person in question is: "my friend."
They don't specify. But personally, I'd bet on the next drop happening right before or on the 25th.
The 25th is a Friday and story updates go live at 3PM Thursday JST.
It's also the third (full) week so very, very likely we'll get an update.
We’ve only really known Ventus when he’s just a heart of pure light. Who Ventus is when he has the part of his heart that made Vanitas is unexplored. And we know how bad Vanitas is, so how the question on our lips is how dark could Ventus actually be when he is whole.
Well that's my whole argument against it. The little interaction between Ven and Mx before the split doesn't seem to suggest Ven had anything inside him that made him seem like he had a huge darkness. I'd be more inclined to be for this theory if Ven acted different.
I guess Skuld is bringing it up since no one else was present at the meeting with Gula?
If someone else brings it up that would be fishy.
Actually, it's Elrena's Chirithy that brings it up. Not specifically, but he tells Lauriam about seeing Skuld and someone else entering the abandoned warehouse, which you'd know instantly as when she and Player went to meet with Gula. Lauriam himself brings up the bell first in the scene. They're small things that could be easily brushed off of course, but those who are familiar with those events would easily be able to connect the dots in the timeline compared to those who aren't.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
HI LAURIAM IS THE BROTHER GOODBYE FOR NOW
Git gut, I would never expect that the Char-referencing Marluxia art I found in the 2013- or so will actually hint to the fact he really is a Char Clone.
So this cutscene is going to be a bit confusing for those who haven't kept up with KHX. There's several references to events that took place pre-Keyblade War, such as the bell that tolls for the final battle and the meeting with Gula in the abandoned warehouse.
And more hints to
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Chirithy also mentions that Skuld visited the storehouse as well, but came out looking confused. All this takes place before the bell tolls.
Lauriam thanks Elrena for the help and leaves. Then, Elrena decides to enter the storehouse and investigate herself.
Back at Union Leader HQ, Lauriam asks Skuld about it, but she doesn't have a clue. Lauriam worries that Strelitzia may have been led into the War, and Blaine surmises that maybe this "someone" didn't actually join the Dandelions after all.
Ephemera then reveals he thinks he knows who the person in question is: "my friend."
Oh my, and more hints to the theory of the culprit is Blaine/Gula? I am trying my best to not sound hyped here.
Can't wait for Lauriam to shake us down looking for some answers
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
HI LAURIAM IS THE BROTHER GOODBYE FOR NOW
Apologies for doubting you and Goldpanner. At least that gives Marluxia's guardian more probably of it being a version of Strelitzia.
It's kind of too bad Larxene isn't the sibling. Would have made a good parallel between those two and Anna and Elsa. Oh well. Maybe the could still have had a sister like bond in the past.
Larxene still works in Arendelle. Even if you ignore the mythological origins of Nymphs in mountainous regions (seeing as she's the savage Nymph), she may have a Hans role in which Elrena pretends to be innocient, only to sinister intentions.
I don’t trust a single thing said about this game now unless the devs admit “yeah we diddlyed up and are just here to take your money.†SENA just smiles while lying about when things will drop and pretend to be community focused when they say things and then their actions go against that.
It’s just even more disappointing that Nomura said this story would pick up the pace and yet we are only privy to 5 quests a month. They’re spending their time on things that will get them money instead of working on things the fans will want. It’s so insulting to have this game go against what the creator of the entire series says as well. Gah, I’m just so consistently furious with KHUX.
This just makes a console version of Union Cross all the more necessary. Kingdom Hearts III is inevitably going to make a lot of Union Cross players leave the game, coupled with too many key plot elements that set up for beyond Kingdom Hearts III.
And Nomura mentioned that all of the pre-existing assets of Kingdom Hearts were re-created in Unreal Engine 4, it would be a smart stop-gap to have a console version of Union Cross whilst we wait for Kingdom Hearts IV.
Still gonna be salty about Glacie saying that these updates won't be important to KH3. UH. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THIS IS GOING TO PLAY INTO A TON OF DYNAMICS.
I'm already just thinking of the mirror of how Vanitas calls Ven his brother (rudely and mockingly) while we have Strelitzia as Lauriam's sister. And knowing Lauriam and Elrena knew each other because of Strelitzia makes this all the more intense.
I'm 100% backing my theory that Ventus killed Strelitzia but Vanitas is the one who has the memories of that rather than Ven and that is going to come into play briefly in KH3.
This is important information for Kingdom Hearts, but is it specifically important for Kingdom Hearts III? None of Marluxia or Larxene's interaction directly confirm that they remember anything about Union Cross. So Glacie may technically still be correct.
The only element directly connected to Union Cross is Maleficent and Pete's quest for the black box. But that seems minor compared to the rest of the events that are happening in that game.
I like the idea of Ventus killing off Strelitzia, only to have Vanitas be the host that remembers the memory. It gives credence as to why Ventus darkness was strong enough to be seperated from Ventus as its own being.
Well that's my whole argument against it. The little interaction between Ven and Mx before the split doesn't seem to suggest Ven had anything inside him that made him seem like he had a huge darkness. I'd be more inclined to be for this theory if Ven acted different.
That too, although I didn't even count that so far but how Ventus acts in UX itself.
Xehanort himself also points out how Ventus is too good/soft for his purposes and what one also cannot forget is that the Vanitas we see also isn't just "Ven's darkness" but Ven's darkness tampered and nurtured by Xehanort.
Therefore I find it a little strange to draw conclusions about pre-split Ventus solely from how Vanitas acts when other indicators do exist.
We're talking about murder too, one of the worst known crimes possible and one needs quite much malice and ruthlessness to actually commit to do such a thing which is something I don't see Ven having from what we've seem so far.
There is still a huge gap between killing someone in self-defense, accidentally or during a chaotic war event and deliberately seeking someone out to off them in a secluded space like it was done with Strelitzia and then commit also theft on top (her rulebook).
Actually, it's Elrena's Chirithy that brings it up. Not specifically, but he tells Lauriam about seeing Skuld and someone else entering the abandoned warehouse, which you'd know instantly as when she and Player went to meet with Gula. Lauriam himself brings up the bell first in the scene. They're small things that could be easily brushed off of course, but those who are familiar with those events would easily be able to connect the dots in the timeline compared to those who aren't.
Ah ok, that makes sense, so Elrena's Chirithy just saw Skuld and Player, not what actually went down.
Only question is then how Elrena's Chirithy knows Skuld.
Yep, for those who played Browser Chi its certainly easier to put the events into the correct timeline.
What is with the Ventus we just see now?
Like I said above to Seighart this Ven comes over as even more soft and innocent than the "heart of pure light"-version we know from BBS.
Well that's my whole argument against it. The little interaction between Ven and Mx before the split doesn't seem to suggest Ven had anything inside him that made him seem like he had a huge darkness. I'd be more inclined to be for this theory if Ven acted different.
Don't shoot the messenger lol, I'm just telling y'all why people think that Ventus is the killer.
Don't shoot the messenger lol, I'm just telling y'all why people think that Ventus is the killer.
No shooting intended, lol. Just a little grilling perhaps since I don't find the current chain of arguments to be very convincing with the information and visual cues we have so far.
That too, although I didn't even count that so far but how Ventus acts in UX itself.
Xehanort himself also points out how Ventus is too good/soft for his purposes and what one also cannot forget is that the Vanitas we see also isn't just "Ven's darkness" but Ven's darkness tampered and nurtured by Xehanort.
Therefore I find it a little strange to draw conclusions about pre-split Ventus solely from how Vanitas acts when other indicators do exist.
We're talking about murder too, one of the worst known crimes possible and one needs quite much malice and ruthlessness to actually commit to do such a thing which is something I don't see Ven having from what we've seem so far.
There is still a huge gap between killing someone in self-defense, accidentally or during a chaotic war event and deliberately seeking someone out to off them in a secluded space like it was done with Strelitzia and then commit also theft on top (her rulebook).
Ah ok, that makes sense, so Elrena's Chirithy just saw Skuld and Player, not what actually went down.
Only question is then how Elrena's Chirithy knows Skuld.
Yep, for those who played Browser Chi its certainly easier to put the events into the correct timeline.
The Chirithy seem to know all the players. I wouldn’t think too much of it. They probably hang out and exchange info when they’re not with their players.
The Chirithy seem to know all the players. I wouldn’t think too much of it. They probably hang out and exchange info when they’re not with their players.
Possible, although this would probably make me wary of sharing too private things with the Chirithy if I have to suspect they're gossiping about you among themselves and then those Chirithys may go and tell their wielders about it.
It almost makes the Chirithys sound like a spy network...
[SPOILER="quick script translation"]
Quick translation of the latest update, so it's going to be full of holes. Would appreciate if you guys can correct me with this.
Elrena: Strelitzia is missing?
Lauriam: Even if I haven't talked about my sister that much,
I want to hear from you since you were in the same party as hers.
Just even knowing her name, you might know something about what happened to her.
Elrena: Actually I don't really know much about her.
Strelitzia is alone for the most part. We're not exactly friends, and even then, we only ever talk during missions.
Lauriam: I see.
My sister did hesitate to join the Dandelions at first,
but I tried convincing her otherwise.
However, after that, I wasn't able to see her anymore.
Elrena: Hmm....
Elrena: I did see her from time to time, but it's as if she's waiting for someone, that's why I couldn't talk to her.
Lauriam: Someone?
Elrena: Yup, I did see her by the rooftop near the water fountain. But actually, that was quite some time ago already.
Like around the time Ava was holding her speech?
At that time, I seriously thought the Unions would break out into a fight.
But in the end, nothing happened after that. Yes, it was kind of around that time.
Lauriam: (Nothing happened after that? Is this the rewrite?
Although she doesn't remember anything, it's before the keyblade war huh...?
Can it be? Did she end up being involved in the war...?)
Elrena: You really care about your sister huh.
Lauriam: You think so?
Elrena: *giggles* If I can help you just a bit....
Ah...That's it!
Chirithy!
Chirithy: You call and I jump!
Elrena: Aren't you friendly with Strelitzia's Chirithy?
Chirithy: Oh, I know him, I know him.
Lauriam: Did you hear anything about Strelitzia from that Chirithy?
Chirithy: Anything hmm...
Why is a Union Leader asking?
Elrena: He's Lauriam, Strelitzia's older brother.
Did you hear anything about Strelitzia when she was gone?
Chirithy: No...
The last time I saw her, she was looking for someone.
Lauriam: Again with that 'someone'...
Chirithy: Strelitzia’s been so concerned with this guy whom she doesn't even know the name.
Lauriam: She doesn't even know his name?
Chirithy: He's(She's) quite the silent type but she's so insistent on having him join the Dandelions.
Lauriam: You last saw her after the bell tolled or before?
Chirithy: Bell toll? Ah, that's right, it's before the bell toll, wasn't it?
Lauriam: (I see....
So her last trace was just before the keyblade war.
The person Strelitzia was so concerned about is the key...)
Chirithy: Speaking of which, the last time I saw them was in this place, wasn't it?
While we're at it,
I've seen people come into that house.
Strelitzia came back here quite in a hurry.
And a little after that, just before the Union Leaders were announced,
at that time, Skuld was one of the people who entered here.
Lauriam: Skuld!?
Elrena: Is this some kind of a clue?
Lauriam: Yeah. That's right. Thank you, you two.
If you guys remember anything more, please tell me, ok?
Elrena: Of course.
Lauriam: Alright, 'till then.
Chirithy: Where are you going?
Elrena: It's in this house, right?
There must be some kind of clue around in here.
Chirithy: Even though you don't normally care for other people.
Elrena: Okay!!
---
Ven: Ah, Lauriam.
Lauriam: What great timing.
Ephemera: What's this? It's a good thing we waited a bit since you came back this fast.
Earlier, the "Shift Pride" rule----
Lauriam: Wait. Skuld, I'd like to talk to you.
Skuld: Eh? Me?
||Cut forward||
Lauriam: I see...
Skuld: I'm sorry, I couldn't give you some clue...
Lauriam: No, it's okay. Thanks.
She's such a kind-hearted girl, that she was chasing after a person she's worried about.
It's possible she ended up being involved in the war...
Ventus: No way...
Brain: You okay with that?
Lauriam: Hm?
Brain: Besides the person your sister is concerned of, there's this part where she's trying to invite him to the Dandelions.
If your hesitant sister did join the Dandelions,
Then it’s quite confirmed that that “person†wasn’t able to join the dandelions before the bell tolled.
For example, in the water fountain with Ava's speech.
If "the person" your sister was concerned of was a member of the Dandelions at that time,
your sister would seriously not fail to notice that person there.
With that, "this person" has a high possibility that he joined the Keyblade war.
Also, it's quite a curiosity as to why your sister who's so hesitant in joining, invited this "person" within the Dandelions.
Isn't it strange?
Lauriam: ....
Ephemera: I just remembered a person while listening to Brain.
Lauriam: eh?
Ephemera: The silent type who wasn't able to join the Dandelions.
Skuld: Ah!
Lauriam: You know him?
Ephemera: He's my friend.
[/SPOILER]
Also, just to note too, Elrena does speak somewhat formally to Lauriam in Japanese. I find it cute since it's like a gap moe from her clothing, at the same time to her Nobody.
I wonder if even Elrena understood what her Chirithy was saying about the "Union Leaders". I'm pretty sure Lauriam and co. haven't announced anything to the Dandelions yet.
Ahhhh, I couldn't be happier about this confirmation. Don't know why, I just think it's ultra adorable. I can't help but wonder if this ties into Namine at all, even a little bit?
As for the killer, I think it's either Blaine or none of the current leaders and the killer pretended to be Ava and gave one of them the book. If Laurium has a book, then I think whoever killed his sister pretended to be Ava and gave Laurium a book. (Or coulda been someone else, but eh, who knows at this point)
Still completely and utterly unconvinced that Ven is the killer either way. That's not a good kind of twist, it's just out of character.
[SPOILER="quick script translation"]
Quick translation of the latest update, so it's going to be full of holes. Would appreciate if you guys can correct me with this.
Elrena: Strelitzia is missing?
Lauriam: Even if I haven't talked about my sister that much,
I want to hear from you since you were in the same party as hers.
Just even knowing her name, you might know something about what happened to her.
Elrena: Actually I don't really know much about her.
Strelitzia is alone for the most part. We're not exactly friends, and even then, we only ever talk during missions.
Lauriam: I see.
My sister did hesitate to join the Dandelions at first,
but I tried convincing her otherwise.
However, after that, I wasn't able to see her anymore.
Elrena: Hmm....
Elrena: I did see her from time to time, but it's as if she's waiting for someone, that's why I couldn't talk to her.
Lauriam: Someone?
Elrena: Yup, I did see her by the rooftop near the water fountain. But actually, that was quite some time ago already.
Like around the time Ava was holding her speech?
At that time, I seriously thought the Unions would break out into a fight.
But in the end, nothing happened after that. Yes, it was kind of around that time.
Lauriam: (Nothing happened after that? Is this the rewrite?
Although she doesn't remember anything, it's before the keyblade war huh...?
Can it be? Did she end up being involved in the war...?)
Elrena: You really care about your sister huh.
Lauriam: You think so?
Elrena: *giggles* If I can help you just a bit....
Ah...That's it!
Chirithy!
Chirithy: You call and I jump!
Elrena: Aren't you friendly with Strelitzia's Chirithy?
Chirithy: Oh, I know him, I know him.
Lauriam: Did you hear anything about Strelitzia from that Chirithy?
Chirithy: Anything hmm...
Why is a Union Leader asking?
Elrena: He's Lauriam, Strelitzia's older brother.
Did you hear anything about Strelitzia when she was gone?
Chirithy: No...
The last time I saw her, she was looking for someone.
Lauriam: Again with that 'someone'...
Chirithy: Strelitzia’s been so concerned with this guy whom she doesn't even know the name.
Lauriam: She doesn't even know his name?
Chirithy: He's(She's) quite the silent type but she's so insistent on having him join the Dandelions.
Lauriam: You last saw her after the bell tolled or before?
Chirithy: Bell toll? Ah, that's right, it's before the bell toll, wasn't it?
Lauriam: (I see....
So her last trace was just before the keyblade war.
The person Strelitzia was so concerned about is the key...)
Chirithy: Speaking of which, the last time I saw them was in this place, wasn't it?
While we're at it,
I've seen people come into that house.
Strelitzia came back here quite in a hurry.
And a little after that, just before the Union Leaders were announced,
at that time, Skuld was one of the people who entered here.
Lauriam: Skuld!?
Elrena: Is this some kind of a clue?
Lauriam: Yeah. That's right. Thank you, you two.
If you guys remember anything more, please tell me, ok?
Elrena: Of course.
Lauriam: Alright, 'till then.
Chirithy: Where are you going?
Elrena: It's in this house, right?
There must be some kind of clue around in here.
Chirithy: Even though you don't normally care for other people.
Elrena: Okay!!
---
Ven: Ah, Lauriam.
Lauriam: What great timing.
Ephemera: What's this? It's a good thing we waited a bit since you came back this fast.
Earlier, the "Shift Pride" rule----
Lauriam: Wait. Skuld, I'd like to talk to you.
Skuld: Eh? Me?
||Cut forward||
Lauriam: I see...
Skuld: I'm sorry, I couldn't give you some clue...
Lauriam: No, it's okay. Thanks.
She's such a kind-hearted girl, that she was chasing after a person she's worried about.
It's possible she ended up being involved in the war...
Ventus: No way...
Brain: You okay with that?
Lauriam: Hm?
Brain: Besides the person your sister is concerned of, there's this part where she's trying to invite him to the Dandelions.
If your hesitant sister did join the Dandelions,
Then it’s quite confirmed that that “person†wasn’t able to join the dandelions before the bell tolled.
For example, in the water fountain with Ava's speech.
If "the person" your sister was concerned of was a member of the Dandelions at that time,
your sister would seriously not fail to notice that person there.
With that, "this person" has a high possibility that he joined the Keyblade war.
Also, it's quite a curiosity as to why your sister who's so hesitant in joining, invited this "person" within the Dandelions.
Isn't it strange?
Lauriam: ....
Ephemera: I just remembered a person while listening to Brain.
Lauriam: eh?
Ephemera: The silent type who wasn't able to join the Dandelions.
Skuld: Ah!
Lauriam: You know him?
Ephemera: He's my friend.
[/SPOILER]
Also, just to note too, Elrena does speak somewhat formally to Lauriam in Japanese. I find it cute since it's like a gap moe from her clothing, at the same time to her Nobody.
Well would you take a look at that, it looks like Lauriam cares just as much about his sister as the Kingdom Hearts fandom does.
And it's intriguing to see that the player is starting to become a topic of discussion, even with the new Union Leaders.
[SPOILER="quick script translation"]
Quick translation of the latest update, so it's going to be full of holes. Would appreciate if you guys can correct me with this.
Elrena: Strelitzia is missing?
Lauriam: Even if I haven't talked about my sister that much,
I want to hear from you since you were in the same party as hers.
Just even knowing her name, you might know something about what happened to her.
Elrena: Actually I don't really know much about her.
Strelitzia is alone for the most part. We're not exactly friends, and even then, we only ever talk during missions.
Lauriam: I see.
My sister did hesitate to join the Dandelions at first,
but I tried convincing her otherwise.
However, after that, I wasn't able to see her anymore.
Elrena: Hmm....
Elrena: I did see her from time to time, but it's as if she's waiting for someone, that's why I couldn't talk to her.
Lauriam: Someone?
Elrena: Yup, I did see her by the rooftop near the water fountain. But actually, that was quite some time ago already.
Like around the time Ava was holding her speech?
At that time, I seriously thought the Unions would break out into a fight.
But in the end, nothing happened after that. Yes, it was kind of around that time.
Lauriam: (Nothing happened after that? Is this the rewrite?
Although she doesn't remember anything, it's before the keyblade war huh...?
Can it be? Did she end up being involved in the war...?)
Elrena: You really care about your sister huh.
Lauriam: You think so?
Elrena: *giggles* If I can help you just a bit....
Ah...That's it!
Chirithy!
Chirithy: You call and I jump!
Elrena: Aren't you friendly with Strelitzia's Chirithy?
Chirithy: Oh, I know him, I know him.
Lauriam: Did you hear anything about Strelitzia from that Chirithy?
Chirithy: Anything hmm...
Why is a Union Leader asking?
Elrena: He's Lauriam, Strelitzia's older brother.
Did you hear anything about Strelitzia when she was gone?
Chirithy: No...
The last time I saw her, she was looking for someone.
Lauriam: Again with that 'someone'...
Chirithy: Strelitzia’s been so concerned with this guy whom she doesn't even know the name.
Lauriam: She doesn't even know his name?
Chirithy: He's(She's) quite the silent type but she's so insistent on having him join the Dandelions.
Lauriam: You last saw her after the bell tolled or before?
Chirithy: Bell toll? Ah, that's right, it's before the bell toll, wasn't it?
Lauriam: (I see....
So her last trace was just before the keyblade war.
The person Strelitzia was so concerned about is the key...)
Chirithy: Speaking of which, the last time I saw them was in this place, wasn't it?
While we're at it,
I've seen people come into that house.
Strelitzia came back here quite in a hurry.
And a little after that, just before the Union Leaders were announced,
at that time, Skuld was one of the people who entered here.
Lauriam: Skuld!?
Elrena: Is this some kind of a clue?
Lauriam: Yeah. That's right. Thank you, you two.
If you guys remember anything more, please tell me, ok?
Elrena: Of course.
Lauriam: Alright, 'till then.
Chirithy: Where are you going?
Elrena: It's in this house, right?
There must be some kind of clue around in here.
Chirithy: Even though you don't normally care for other people.
Elrena: Okay!!
---
Ven: Ah, Lauriam.
Lauriam: What great timing.
Ephemera: What's this? It's a good thing we waited a bit since you came back this fast.
Earlier, the "Shift Pride" rule----
Lauriam: Wait. Skuld, I'd like to talk to you.
Skuld: Eh? Me?
||Cut forward||
Lauriam: I see...
Skuld: I'm sorry, I couldn't give you some clue...
Lauriam: No, it's okay. Thanks.
She's such a kind-hearted girl, that she was chasing after a person she's worried about.
It's possible she ended up being involved in the war...
Ventus: No way...
Brain: You okay with that?
Lauriam: Hm?
Brain: Besides the person your sister is concerned of, there's this part where she's trying to invite him to the Dandelions.
If your hesitant sister did join the Dandelions,
Then it’s quite confirmed that that “person†wasn’t able to join the dandelions before the bell tolled.
For example, in the water fountain with Ava's speech.
If "the person" your sister was concerned of was a member of the Dandelions at that time,
your sister would seriously not fail to notice that person there.
With that, "this person" has a high possibility that he joined the Keyblade war.
Also, it's quite a curiosity as to why your sister who's so hesitant in joining, invited this "person" within the Dandelions.
Isn't it strange?
Lauriam: ....
Ephemera: I just remembered a person while listening to Brain.
Lauriam: eh?
Ephemera: The silent type who wasn't able to join the Dandelions.
Skuld: Ah!
Lauriam: You know him?
Ephemera: He's my friend.
[/SPOILER]
Also, just to note too, Elrena does speak somewhat formally to Lauriam in Japanese. I find it cute since it's like a gap moe from her clothing, at the same time to her Nobody.
I wonder if even Elrena understood what her Chirithy was saying about the "Union Leaders". I'm pretty sure Lauriam and co. haven't announced anything to the Dandelions yet.
Chirithy: Even though you don't normally care for other people.
Okay, so there's still some Larxene in there, lmao desu.
Elrena is so adorable and sweet. Good Lord what happened. What. Happened. Just don't get killed baby girl by snooping around.
And Larxene can wield a Keyblade if she has a Chirithy. It's surreal.
Possible, although this would probably make me wary of sharing too private things with the Chirithy if I have to suspect they're gossiping about you among themselves and then those Chirithys may go and tell their wielders about it.
It almost makes the Chirithys sound like a spy network...
I mean, I think that’s cute but if you want to treat everything like a big conspiracy, go ahead lol
So they caught up to speed really fast on her story and timeline it seems. I also feel like it's already heading in the direction people speculated, that Gula is the one who killed her. It feels notable that Skuld, Player, and her all got mentions but they deliberately skip over Gula's involvement. At this point I'm expecting that Elrena finds like Gula's discarded robes or mask hidden away in that room, telling players IRL that Gula must have killed her to take her place and shed his robe so people wouldn't recognize him. I wouldn't be surprised if Gula had something to do with Laxene/Elrena given his speed based combat and lighting motief.
So they caught up to speed really fast on her story and timeline it seems. I also feel like it's already heading in the direction people speculated, that Gula is the one who killed her. It feels notable that Skuld, Player, and her all got mentions but they deliberately skip over Gula's involvement. At this point I'm expecting that Elrena finds like Gula's discarded robes or mask hidden away in that room, telling players IRL that Gula must have killed her to take her place and shed his robe so people wouldn't recognize him. I wouldn't be surprised if Gula had something to do with Laxene/Elrena given his speed based combat and lighting motief.
I mean, I think that’s cute but if you want to treat everything like a big conspiracy, go ahead lol
If I have learnt anything from KH Ux in particular it is to be properly cautious (or paranoid?) of things that seem harmless at first glance and especially of information flow.
So they caught up to speed really fast on her story and timeline it seems. I also feel like it's already heading in the direction people speculated, that Gula is the one who killed her. It feels notable that Skuld, Player, and her all got mentions but they deliberately skip over Gula's involvement. At this point I'm expecting that Elrena finds like Gula's discarded robes or mask hidden away in that room, telling players IRL that Gula must have killed her to take her place and shed his robe so people wouldn't recognize him. I wouldn't be surprised if Gula had something to do with Laxene/Elrena given his speed based combat and lighting motief.
Question though if Gula discarded his robes to take Strelitzia's place who or what would then be the Gula that participates in the war?
An illusion? A twin brother? A Nobody?
Everything involving Strelitzia seems to take place before the bell rings and we also still see Gula talking with Skuld and Player right before the bell.
I think Ventus is a pretty good bet for the one who off'd Strelitzia. The Vanitas argument is really plausible to me, the fact such darkness could be harvested from a single being, and not only that, Vanitas is capable of such heavy feelings that they even give birth to unversed. If every being was like that, you gotta agree that doing multiple Vanitas-like creatures would be a solid plan for Xehanort lol
Aside from that, the fact that so far Ventus is the only factor that came from the KHUX era aside from Lauriam and Elrena, makes it pretty convincing they're all connected to whatever happened in there.
So say for example if Ventus killed Strelitzia, it would make sense that both Marluxia and Larxene are in Castle Oblivion searching for his ass. But this would be simplifying things too much considering the story is ever untangling, and that a lot of important details might still be coming.
I'm just kinda disapointed that KHIII might not be the place in which Marluxia and Larxene will get closure after all, even though Nomura promised us that. Since the KHUX story will still be running, it's very unlikely that KHIII would spoil whatever their deal is before KHUX gets there.
Re: (SPOILERS) Union X: Elrena and Chirithy
I don’t trust a single thing said about this game now unless the devs admit “yeah we diddlyed up and are just here to take your money.†SENA just smiles while lying about when things will drop and pretend to be community focused when they say things and then their actions go against that.
It’s just even more disappointing that Nomura said this story would pick up the pace and yet we are only privy to 5 quests a month. They’re spending their time on things that will get them money instead of working on things the fans will want. It’s so insulting to have this game go against what the creator of the entire series says as well. Gah, I’m just so consistently furious with KHUX.
Bingo! They all lie. All of them. Don't know what the deal is with Nomura, but I simply don't care anymore. Really. I hardly play, and have trouble getting excited about anything related to this particular game. Can't wait for Jan. 29th.
I like that Ventus killed Litzia theory—Ventus’s evilness influencing Vanitas to be a nasty individual and Vanitas containing fragments of Ven’s memories. I love it. I might be reaching like the rest but others pointed out his cutscene was called “the third to arrive†while Brain was called “number four†and Lauriam was called “number fiveâ€. Seems like Ventus wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place
She also speaks really politely. Total opposite of Larxene.
That is so weird!!!
I hope they are doing something with her and she isn't just putting an act.
A Larxene's character arc would truly be something no one ever saw it coming.
I am not entirely sure of this either as I don't see yet any big reveal that would make me think differently of all the characters involved.
Well, Elrena being in that period and a Keyblade wielder is a pretty big reveal.
I know we kinda saw it coming and not all implications of it are thrilling, but still it's a confirmation that a character we knew has a proper backstory which ties her directly and undirectly to other characters and events.
It's not really about what the characters did or will do, it's more about playing KH III and knowing who or what the characters are.
Or, in fewer words:
And Larxene can wield a Keyblade if she has a Chirithy. It's surreal.
I think Ventus is a pretty good bet for the one who off'd Strelitzia. The Vanitas argument is really plausible to me, the fact such darkness could be harvested from a single being, and not only that, Vanitas is capable of such heavy feelings that they even give birth to unversed. If every being was like that, you gotta agree that doing multiple Vanitas-like creatures would be a solid plan for Xehanort lol
Aside from that, the fact that so far Ventus is the only factor that came from the KHUX era aside from Lauriam and Elrena, makes it pretty convincing they're all connected to whatever happened in there.
So say for example if Ventus killed Strelitzia, it would make sense that both Marluxia and Larxene are in Castle Oblivion searching for his ass. But this would be simplifying things too much considering the story is ever untangling, and that a lot of important details might still be coming.
I'm just kinda disapointed that KHIII might not be the place in which Marluxia and Larxene will get closure after all, even though Nomura promised us that. Since the KHUX story will still be running, it's very unlikely that KHIII would spoil whatever their deal is before KHUX gets there.
The order of Organization XIII is significant as only does it symbolised when they joined, but the order also reveals who gets along with who. Braig knew Xehanort before he became Terra-Xehanort, Aeleaus is a guardian figure to Ienzo, and Isa and Lea are former best friends. So it comes as no surprise that there's a more underlying reason why Roxas comes after Larxene in the Organization XIII chain of command.
Marluxia and Larxene hunting down Ventus is a funny yet tragic thought. Maybe the both of them wanted to use Sora in Chain of Memories because they could feel Ven's heart resonating in him, yet the both of them were initially unaware of that connection? a Lauriam, Elrena and Ventus trio could end up being a thing.
In regards to both of these character having ongoing arcs, I am actually okay with that. Kingdom Hearts is going to continue beyond Kingdom Hearts III. Kingdom Hearts IV still has plenty of old and new Disney properties to select for the foreseeable future, and having under-utilised characters be more fleshed out beyond Kingdom Hearts III is exactly what I am looking forward to.
I think Ventus is a pretty good bet for the one who off'd Strelitzia. The Vanitas argument is really plausible to me, the fact such darkness could be harvested from a single being, and not only that, Vanitas is capable of such heavy feelings that they even give birth to unversed. If every being was like that, you gotta agree that doing multiple Vanitas-like creatures would be a solid plan for Xehanort lol
You're making way more out of this than there actually is. Ventus' darkness isn't anything out of the ordinary and extracting the darkness from a heart is something that has been in play in the series ever since the KH 1 Ansem reports.
The darkness in Ven's heart isn't even a quarter of the whole thing and concentrating only on Vanitas is not the correct approach anyways since three quarters of Ven's heart are still light and Xehanort himself spoke of pre-split Ven as being too nice for his own good.
The Unversed aren't anything special either as Vanitas himself explains that they're a side effect of the heart split itself, nothing that results specifically from it being Ven's darkness.
Bingo! They all lie. All of them. Don't know what the deal is with Nomura, but I simply don't care anymore. Really. I hardly play, and have trouble getting excited about anything related to this particular game. Can't wait for Jan. 29th.
I've never actually played it, lol.
And the only reason I even follow the story at all is because Nomura could not let the whole thing remain non-canon.
I like that Ventus killed Litzia theory—Ventus’s evilness influencing Vanitas to be a nasty individual and Vanitas containing fragments of Ven’s memories.
I really don't grasp from where you get the whole "Ven's evilness"-nonsense from as there is zero indicator that he is in any way evil in any of his appearances in UX so far.
The part of Ven's heart that was later used to form Vanitas is even less than a quarter so painting the kid as some evil monster or master schemer on the level of Xehanort is really unwarranted and going past "reaching" at the current level of information available.
The primary influence of Vanitas being a "nasty individual" is Xehanort who had solid four years of time to mold Vanitas into what he is today.
That is so weird!!!
I hope they are doing something with her and she isn't just putting an act.
A Larxene's character arc would truly be something no one ever saw it coming.
Well, Elrena being in that period and a Keyblade wielder is a pretty big reveal.
I know we kinda saw it coming and not all implications of it are thrilling, but still it's a confirmation that a character we knew has a proper backstory which ties her directly and undirectly to other characters and events.
It's not really about what the characters did or will do, it's more about playing KH III and knowing who or what the characters are.
Or, in fewer words:
I wouldn't put it past her to actually playing an act, as her Chirithy does say she normally doesn't care about other people which sounds exactly like Larxene.
We must have different priorities then as someone being revealed as a "Keyblade Wielder" doesn't even goad a yawn from me anymore since it is so easily predicted and boring.
Her being from the X-era also doesn't interest me jack-shit as after Ven (whom I was already iffy about when it first happened) and Lauriam (which caused raised eybrows) it just looks like Nomura is cramming every remaining side character in there somewhere to have more forced connections and generate cheap drama instead of actual solutions.
It just feels incredibly forced and, I dare say it, unnecessary to put on a pile of stuff already to resolve from events of the original era.
What if the real organization members(of course not all) are the fallen keyblade masters?? That would be sooo dope.
We must have different priorities then as someone being revealed as a "Keyblade Wielder" doesn't even goad a yawn from me anymore since it is so easily predicted and boring.
Her being from the X-era also doesn't interest me jack-shit as after Ven (whom I was already iffy about when it first happened) and Lauriam (which caused raised eybrows) it just looks like Nomura is cramming every remaining side character in there somewhere to have more forced connections and generate cheap drama instead of actual solutions.
It just feels incredibly forced and, I dare say it, unnecessary to put on a pile of stuff already to resolve from events of the original era.
Yes, I made similar points when the reveal came out.
I wasn't talking about the subjective excitement over this reveal, but rather that regardless of how boring or awesome it is it's something you should probably be aware of if you want a complete perspective of Larxene as a character. Her being an original Keyblade wielder or not should definitely come into play in some shape or form now that she's part of an organization made by a Keyblade wielder whose main goal is investigate about that era, all the more so considering Nomura talked about the Union Leaders having a role in KH III and the fact that some members of the writing team worked on both Ux and KH III.
Hence why Glacie's statement about the lack of updates not being a big deal becomes more and more ludicrous with every new story update.
Thanks goldpanner as always <3
Transcript is also in the OP.
[video=youtube;6rI4ghL2jKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rI4ghL2jKw&feature=youtu.be[/video]
i just noticed marluxia's familiar in the final boss battle of Re:CoM has strelitzia's pigtails lmao. small details and all that
I'm starting to believe the theory that Gula is the one that killed Steritzia. Perhaps the Gula we see in the War is a copy he made in order to survive beyond the war, or perhaps he survived the combat.
Other than that, what if Gula is in present time KH? What if he survived by sending his heart to someone, and that someone being Elrena? It would explain her abilities, seeing as how Gula's motif is lightning.
Yes, I made similar points when the reveal came out.
I wasn't talking about the subjective excitement over this reveal, but rather that regardless of how boring or awesome it is it's something you should probably be aware of if you want a complete perspective of Larxene as a character. Her being an original Keyblade wielder or not should definitely come into play in some shape or form now that she's part of an organization made by a Keyblade wielder whose main goal is investigate about that era, all the more so considering Nomura talked about the Union Leaders having a role in KH III and the fact that some members of the writing team worked on both Ux and KH III.
Hence why Glacie's statement about the lack of updates not being a big deal becomes more and more ludicrous with every new story update.
Eh, I get the point you're making, yet I still think this is overdoing it. Like seriously, Xehanort has had apparently several people from the era he so craves knowledge about under his thumb without noticing or exploiting it?
Backstory for characters is all fine and dandy but they should be believable and actually connect with their current state and personality without requiring twenty amnesia cases, fifteen heart splits and fifty times turning into a Nobody breaks turning it into an obnoxious puzzle. You can do that with one or two characters but if you come up with more than a dozen it gets hard to believe and even harder to explain without a total asspull.
It is also possible that these things will only become important after KH III since as of now it looks like even JP UX won't get much more story heavy stuff that brings the plot forward much before KH IIIs release.
Thanks goldpanner as always <3
Transcript is also in the OP.
[video=youtube;6rI4ghL2jKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rI4ghL2jKw&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Many thanks for getting this stuff up so fast. ;D
Just now when rewatching it I noticed Ventus is doing the "hands-behind-head" gesture even here as a kid and seems to get along rather well with Ephemer and Skuld.
So that's how the Player characters gets connected back to the main narrative it seems...well, I can only caution that this may mean the Dark Chirithy is also again active, as it did say they'd meet "in another dream" back in the Browser Chi.
Didn't Gula have a page from the book that mentioned a sigil? Well it's mentioned in Back Cover but not the game from what i remember. What if he got it from hers?
Didn't Gula have a page from the book that mentioned a sigil? Well it's mentioned in Back Cover but not the game from what i remember. What if he got it from hers?
The new Union leaders have copies of a rulebook from Ava, not the Book of Prophecies. The only known BoP at this point in time is the copy that was left in the Foreteller's Room that Brain now seems to be reading nonstop.
The new Union leaders have copies of a rulebook from Ava, not the Book of Prophecies. The only known BoP at this point in time is the copy that was left in the Foreteller's Room that Brain now seems to be reading nonstop.
Sounds like just about the thing Gula would do. :eyesemoji:
The new Union leaders have copies of a rulebook from Ava, not the Book of Prophecies. The only known BoP at this point in time is the copy that was left in the Foreteller's Room that Brain now seems to be reading nonstop.
Which btw goes totally against the supposed modus operandi that one of the five kids should have got a copy of the BoP in secret without the other four knowing.
Something is off here.
Furthermore, why would a copy of the BoP just lay unsupervised in the Foreteller's lair?
Did Ira forget his copy there when heading to war or was it deliberately placed there?
Although I do find it interesting that Ven is from the distant past, I'm still so-so on Marluxia and Larxene. At first, I was excited. Marluxia and Larxene are traitors to the Organization, what did they really have planned? I got even more excited when we saw Marluxia for the first time and he had his blue eyes and vaguely implied he was part of the "true" organization.
But.... I sighed when we learned the blue eyes thing was a mistake and he and Larxene are just a part of the organization again.
Yeah, it's weird that Master Xehanort managed to find three (and probably more >.>) people from the Keyblade War and doesn't realize it. If he does realize it, it doesn't seem like he's using them at all for his advantage or trying to get info out of them. (and I'm sure this is because I don't think Marluxia or Larxene were tied to the past until recently in Nomura's head compared to Ven who is a sketchy case)
So I don't know. I hope Marluxia and Larxene being norted is some kind of red herring and they're still partners trying to do their own thing or something. That's what'll make this plot most interesting to me.
I mean, I am interested that we have our first official OC sibling thing going on (though I strongly believe Sora, Ven, and Roxas are bros in every way but blood, probably). If Nomura is just gonna keep adding on this past stuff into things that happen in the future, I hope to get more info about Namine somehow through this, as Namine seems quite similar to Strelitzia in multiple ways. Surely that affected Marluxia somehow...
Which btw goes totally against the supposed modus operandi that one of the five kids should have got a copy of the BoP in secret without the other four knowing.
Something is off here.
Furthermore, why would a copy of the BoP just lay unsupervised in the Foreteller's lair?
Did Ira forget his copy there when heading to war or was it deliberately placed there?
That's the million dollar question!
We must have different priorities then as someone being revealed as a "Keyblade Wielder" doesn't even goad a yawn from me anymore since it is so easily predicted and boring.
Her being from the X-era also doesn't interest me jack-shit as after Ven (whom I was already iffy about when it first happened) and Lauriam (which caused raised eybrows) it just looks like Nomura is cramming every remaining side character in there somewhere to have more forced connections and generate cheap drama instead of actual solutions.
It just feels incredibly forced and, I dare say it, unnecessary to put on a pile of stuff already to resolve from events of the original era.
I agree with this so much and its one of the reasons I'm not so looking forward to KH3.
Nomura's recent shift in storytelling seems to have taken a "Broken Window Theory of Plot".
Heres the thing: Both KH1 and KH2 can be considered complete games in of themselves. They introduce, progress, and resolve the conflict that is their plot on their own. Sure, KH2 has a few things from CoM, but when you think about it Namine's inclusion and influence is minimal. Even BBS and Days create their own plot and resolve it within their own story. The story of Kingdom Hearts could have ended with the release of KH2, BBS, or Days with minimal to no unresolved details, when you really think about it. (I'm not counting secret movies, since they are designed to dovetail future games by nature). You could count the fate of Ven/Aqua, but they could just be interpreted as "passing the torch". However, this DOES introduce a shimmer of this new direction, which is creating questions where they didn't need to be before. Xehanort could have just stayed an apprentice of Ansem, and BBS would be unnecessary. Nonetheless, it at least had its own plot.
Then, we get to DDD. This entire game was taking resolved plot elements and unraveling them. Defeated nobodies? Now they become human. Therefore, Xehanort is back and also he can time travel, so literally every single thing you've encountered in the series is a lie and part of another plan. Then, theres also Ven. He COULD have just been some really good boi that Xehanort picked, but NOPE, now he needs to be a 1000 year old Dandelion, along with Marluxia's somebody. Why? Because its a lazy piece of red meat for fans to make them desperate for answers in place of story telling.
Really, is KH3 even its own game? Hell, its plot technically starts in DDD. We already know the villian, the villian's plan, and the Hero's motivation (without watching trailers). Its clear from the trailers that its mostly going to be stretching plots and character arcs from previous games. The Disney areas, which should at least have subplots for us to resolve, are clearly going to be full of Xehanort intrusions. Its an entire culmination of Normura's bad habits: Break down the windows that he built, and then call rebuilding those windows a plot.
Yes, I made an account just for this rant.
I feel like people are really reaching with the whole "Vanitas is a monster so how bad must Ven have been before the split?" thing. Surely if Van is nothing but darkness concentrate, he wouldn't have the capacity for anything but bad? Also, why is everyone so certain Gula is the one who killed Streilitzia, did I miss something?
Because its a lazy piece of red meat for fans to make them desperate for answers in place of story telling.
This is a very accurate summary of the structure of the X series of games. And I agree that we can see this approach reflected in the way KH3 (as a narrative) has been established: delay payoff, regurgitate plot mechanics, play off of the same derivative features that have been exhausted in previous titles. The universe of KH seems somehow to contract with every new twist. Riku always fights Riku, Kairi is always a satellite orbiting Sora, and the same 13 bad guys have been undermining Maleficent's efforts to be the main antagonist for apparently thousands of years.
So it would almost be poetic if Ventus was the Master of Masters, and a murderer, and was diddlying with Master Xehanort the whole time. Jump - that- shark!
I feel like people are really reaching with the whole "Vanitas is a monster so how bad must Ven have been before the split?" thing. Surely if Van is nothing but darkness concentrate, he wouldn't have the capacity for anything but bad?
Darkness does not cause a person to be evil, and light does not cause a person to be good. Eraqus was a fanatic who treasured the light, and was willing to pursue awful ends in order to act as its protectorate. Riku has a powerful darkness within him, but he chooses to use it for the good of others. Nobodies are theoretically born without light or darkness to guide their behavior, and we've seen that they can do good or evil depending on their circumstances.
I do not see why people think the book Brain is reading is the book of prophecies. There are TONS of books in that place, it's the MoM's study, and just because Ira read his BoP in there doesn't mean that's all he read or that the book laying there is the BoP. So far it just seems like one of the MoM's experiment journals given it detailed the instructions on how to create Dream Eaters, which really wouldn't be in the book of BoP going by its other entries which were well all prophecies. Brain is probably just pouring through the MoM's books either out of curiosity or because he's looking for something. If he IS Gula maybe he believes that the MoM's books might hold the key to what happened to the MoM or has a way to bring back his friends or something.
I do not see why people think the book Brain is reading is the book of prophecies. There are TONS of books in that place, it's the MoM's study, and just because Ira read his BoP in there doesn't mean that's all he read or that the book laying there is the BoP. So far it just seems like one of the MoM's experiment journals given it detailed the instructions on how to create Dream Eaters, which really wouldn't be in the book of BoP going by its other entries which were well all prophecies. Brain is probably just pouring through the MoM's books either out of curiosity or because he's looking for something. If he IS Gula maybe he believes that the MoM's books might hold the key to what happened to the MoM or has a way to bring back his friends or something.
Brain puts the book down and you can see the cover of it. It shows that he is reading the Book of Prophecies.
Brain puts the book down and you can see the cover of it. It shows that he is reading the Book of Prophecies.
Not to mention he's been reading that book for a while now. We saw it lying on that table with the cover clearly in view when the Union leaders first entered the Foreteller's Room together. Brain made a beeline straight for it and has barely left it since.
could brain/gula be that igornant to start a war again just to summon kingdom hearts and see the master again
Hrm you're right and that's....really weird. New idea, Brain is Gula and is pouring over the book to see if its contents match his own copy. You know find out if the MoM removed or doctored information in the book or his book.
why is everyone so certain Gula is the one who killed Streilitzia, did I miss something?
Because there are plenty of hints to support that guess, as much that Brain is actually Gula. Here is my two-part analysis of how Brain is Gula and he's the killer theory.
My insanity didn't decrease my fabulousness, My Theory on Blaine’s True Identity
My insanity didn't decrease my fabulousness, Part 2 of Why Brain is the Main Suspect
And I heard Japan is also leaning on this theory,like previously they lean that Strelitzia's older sibling is Lauriam.
Now that everyone's leaning into Gula as the killer, I'm reminded of how he was suspiciously nonchalant during the War.
Anyone else remember that?
Now that everyone's leaning into Gula as the killer, I'm reminded of how he was suspiciously nonchalant during the War.
Anyone else remember that?
Everyone? Nah, there is some ppl who still insists Lauriam is the killer and sororicide is a thing, or Ven cause he has Vanitas, but yeah at least now the majority of jpn fandom thinks it's Blaine/Gula.
When he met the player at the war he just like "oh its you", and more importantly, unlike the others after the fight he specify to the player "may we meet again" or smth like that.
Now that everyone's leaning into Gula as the killer, I'm reminded of how he was suspiciously nonchalant during the War.
Anyone else remember that?
He comes off as pretty cynical during the talk with Skuld and Player in the warehouse pre-war, but yeah it does look that way during the war now that you mention it.
Gula gave me the impression that he just strolled in (dude smiles/laughs in his pre-battle dialogue) and tried to off the player during the war for the heck of it, unlike Aced ("Can't have a threat like you [Player] lingering in the back"), Ira/Invi (seemed apologetic, "I'll make sure you'll go peacefully/quickly"), or Ava (grimaces during her pre-battle dialogue, seemed pretty unwilling to fight the Player in general).
To be honest, the thought of Gula being Brain makes me wonder if the rest of the Foretellers well get a physical appearance besides their robes.
He comes off as pretty cynical during the talk with Skuld and Player in the warehouse pre-war, but yeah it does look that way during the war now that you mention it.
Gula gave me the impression that he just strolled in (dude smiles/laughs in his pre-battle dialogue) and tried to off the player during the war for the heck of it, unlike Aced ("Can't have a threat like you [Player] lingering in the back"), Ira/Invi (seemed apologetic, "I'll make sure you'll go peacefully/quickly"), or Ava (grimaces during her pre-battle dialogue, seemed pretty unwilling to fight the Player in general).
That made me go back and watch Gula's fight again and I think there is even MORE evidence that Gula is Brain now. Gula treats fighting the player like a game and the minute they realize they have to put in effort they back out, and all the while Gula's lines sound so very similar to Brain's way of speaking. HOWEVER the real key is in his final line, Gula says that maybe they will meet again some day and then warps away.
Aced said you were to strong and tried to kill you but got distracted by Ira and chose to pursue him.
Ira said he was going to finish you but then Aced got involved and they both flew away to fight.
Invi said she was going to make you go peacefully but then after seeing you put up a fight tells you to live a long good life and walks away.
Ava demanded you draw your blade and then after your short fight she urged you to run away from the war and join the Dandelions, then she walks away.
Gula could have walked away but he instead jumped away alone, as if he was trying to get far away from the battle ground, and he's the only one who mentions we might see him again. In fact it's weird how Gula seemed to go from exhausted and hopeless to almost giddy? If he had just secured himself a ticket into safety that would explain why he suddenly had such a tone change.
I guess Brain secretly being Gula and also a murderer does seem like a "surprising" twist as well, so I could see it. It's definitely more interesting than just the suspicious new dude of course being the murderer lol.
To be honest, the thought of Gula being Brain makes me wonder if the rest of the Foretellers well get a physical appearance besides their robes.
I honestly hope so, if this is the case. I think their potential was 100% wasted. Would be nice for them to get think for themselves too, if they ever show up again.
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That made me go back and watch Gula's fight again and I think there is even MORE evidence that Gula is Brain now. Gula treats fighting the player like a game and the minute they realize they have to put in effort they back out, and all the while Gula's lines sound so very similar to Brain's way of speaking. HOWEVER the real key is in his final line, Gula says that maybe they will meet again some day and then warps away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Aced said you were to strong and tried to kill you but got distracted by Ira and chose to pursue him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Ira said he was going to finish you but then Aced got involved and they both flew away to fight.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Invi said she was going to make you go peacefully but then after seeing you put up a fight tells you to live a long good life and walks away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Ava demanded you draw your blade and then after your short fight she urged you to run away from the war and join the Dandelions, then she walks away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Gula could have walked away but he instead jumped away alone, as if he was trying to get far away from the battle ground, and he's the only one who mentions we might see him again. In fact it's weird how Gula seemed to go from exhausted and hopeless to almost giddy? If he had just secured himself a ticket into safety that would explain why he suddenly had such a tone change.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]I really feel like I need to watch all the end events of X again. Its super dumb they skipped over it all in UX. It goes against the whole idea this was made to catch the Western audience up on what happened.[/FONT]
If I'm being brutally honest, I'm not making any assumptions as to who Strelitzia's killer really is. I feel that we have more questions than answers at this point in time.
Also, if Brain was Gula, surely Skuld would have recognised him by the way he sounds, or be all like "you seem familiar". Skuld met Gula with player in X.
Ahh yes, next time Lauriam will confront the Player, and they will have to admit they had no idea they had a creepy stalker.
I gotta agree with Sephiroth here, I doubt that Ventus is the killer. Even if he has Vanitas inside of him.
Another thing, Sterlitzia got killed because the attacker wanted her book to pretend to be new Union Leader, yet Ventus is the one coming to the meetings, not his evil alter ego Vanitas. Even now we see that Ventus is way too nice, like MX says.
So for him to kill someone would basically mean that Vanitas would have to forcefully take over, if that is even a thing, because at the moment Ventus is like everyone else with (slightly more?) Darkness in his Heart. I don't see others becoming their evil selves. So if Vanitas were to kill her and take her book, why would Ventus go the meeting? He wouldn't want to do what his darkness wants. Vanitas would have to take full control and go to the meeting himself if he stole the book. But that's not what we see. We see the light hearted Ventus coming to the meetings. So no, I don't think either Ventus or Vanitas would be the killer of Sterlitzia.
Ahh yes, next time Lauriam will confront the Player, and they will have to admit they had no idea they had a creepy stalker.
I gotta agree with Sephiroth here, I doubt that Ventus is the killer. Even if he has Vanitas inside of him.
Another thing, Sterlitzia got killed because the attacker wanted her book to pretend to be new Union Leader, yet Ventus is the one coming to the meetings, not his evil alter ego Vanitas. Even now we see that Ventus is way too nice, like MX says.
So for him to kill someone would basically mean that Vanitas would have to forcefully take over, if that is even a thing, because at the moment Ventus is like everyone else with (slightly more?) Darkness in his Heart. I don't see others becoming their evil selves. So if Vanitas were to kill her and take her book, why would Ventus go the meeting? He wouldn't want to do what his darkness wants. Vanitas would have to take full control and go to the meeting himself if he stole the book. But that's not what we see. We see the light hearted Ventus coming to the meetings. So no, I don't think either Ventus or Vanitas would be the killer of Sterlitzia.
Yeah, it just seems way too OOC for Ven to do anything like that. Bear in mind this kid is 10 or 11 right now, too. Seems way off for him to kill someone in cold blood, even with Vanitas?
If I'm being brutally honest, I'm not making any assumptions as to who Strelitzia's killer really is. I feel that we have more questions than answers at this point in time.
Also, if Brain was Gula, surely Skuld would have recognised him by the way he sounds, or be all like "you seem familiar". Skuld met Gula with player in X.
She did note that Brain isn't the first time to say she's like Ava, which the previous person to say so was Gula.
Ven was the one who note that Brain feels familiar, though.
She did note that Brain isn't the first time to say she's like Ava, which the previous person to say so was Gula.
Ven was the one who note that Brain feels familiar, though.
The coversation goes like this:
Skuld: "They're rules. Of course they're set in stone." Blaine: "I get it. You're the serious one. Like Master Ava." Skuld: "You're not the first person to say that" Ventus: "I thought you seemed familiar." |
and it can indeed go either way.
Is Ventus addressing Skuld or Blaine with that observation?
The coversation goes like this:
and it can indeed go either way.
Is Ventus addressing Skuld or Blaine with that observation?
Think he’s more likely to be referring Skuld since that’s who they’re talking about in that moment.
Honestly at this point i'm keeping my eyes on Gula and Elrena. Elrena suddenly showing attention to this matter is certainly interesting.
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