I mean, he knew Master Xehanort from BBS, and yet he didn't question anything about Apprentice Xehanort? Or was he keeping quiet while trying to find a way to free Terra?
Why doesn't Mickey remember Xehanort?
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Perhaps Mickey believes Xehanort gained some sort of power to achieve youth or something because Mickey has never seen Terra I believe so he wouldn't recognize that Apprentice Xehanort looked like Terra. Now as for why Mickey didn't question the NAME of Apprentice Xehanort...my guesses would be he might now have known Master Xehanort's name during BBS (don't know how likely that is), he simply forgot since Mickey seems to do a lot of that these days, or he was aware of who Apprentice Xehanort was he just kept quiet because he saw that Xehanort didn't remember anything. Those are my guesses. I suppose someone more knowledgeable can tackle this better.
Mickey probably got all the info on the matter he needed from Yen Sid. He never actually saw Terra, so he didn't know what he looked like. Maybe he didn't want anyone to know he knew, for fear Xehanort attacked Ansem. Remember that scene where Mickey and Ansem are talking and Xehanort comes in and Mickey looks shocked? Ansem obviously loved Xehanort so Mickey didn't want to just say "Oh, the closest thing you have to a son is really an old man bent on taking over Kingdom Hearts and destroying the worlds."
Also, maybe Mickey thought as his memory was wiped he might not be the same evil as his past self, maybe he thought Terra would shine through. Didn't really happen that way did it?
Also, maybe Mickey thought as his memory was wiped he might not be the same evil as his past self, maybe he thought Terra would shine through. Didn't really happen that way did it?
Since when does Mickey know Master Xehanort?
He never met him or interacted with him in BBS at all.
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And Mickey isn't thinking of a way to free Terra because he and Yen Sid don't even friggin' know what actually happened to him => Re: Coded secret ending.
He never met him or interacted with him in BBS at all.
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And Mickey isn't thinking of a way to free Terra because he and Yen Sid don't even friggin' know what actually happened to him => Re: Coded secret ending.
Can we base our knowledge of BbS mickey based on what we know from the game or can it be said that he may have come in contact with them on the side?
it is more likely that he would have seen xehanort than terra because we are with terra throughout his story. but couldnt he have run into them somehow?
its cause he never meet terra, sure he knows the name xehanort but the one he knows (not sure if he's actually meet him) was a geezer. aside from aqua nobody knew that geezernort became terranort, and after that nobody knew that terranort became the apprentice.
so its not that he forgot its just that he never knew what happened to terra or geezernort.
at the end of recoded (the secret ending) he seems to know ansem and xemnas as geezernort divided but he doesnt know that the body that made those two was terra.
if he had meet terra he might have noticed the apprentices appearance or even xemnas' but he never did.
so its not that he forgot its just that he never knew what happened to terra or geezernort.
at the end of recoded (the secret ending) he seems to know ansem and xemnas as geezernort divided but he doesnt know that the body that made those two was terra.
if he had meet terra he might have noticed the apprentices appearance or even xemnas' but he never did.
Mickey didn't seem shocked when Xehanort walked. Also, why would he be shocked, it's not like he'd seen the face before.
When would Mickey have gotten the impression that Ansem loved Xehanort as a son? The only time he saw them together, all Ansem did was to yell at him.
Master Xehanort must have done something to Mickey at the Keyblade Graveyard when Ventus found Mickey unconscious.
As a side here, how the hell do Mickey and Yen Sid know that the apprentice Xehanort is a reincarnated from of Master Xehanort?!? At the end of BBS, the last they know about him is that he was an old guy that dissapeared, and he could also be behind Aqua never being heard from again affter leaving Yen Sid's tower. All through KH2 it takes them ages to even realise that Xemnas, is Xeharnorts nobody, and from that I guess they figure that Ansem was actually his heartless. But then they suddenly figure out that this Xehanort is actually MX reborn in a younger form, where do they pull that from? Especially seeing as Mickey didn't raise any concerns about the name Xehanort when he first met with AX and Ansem. Is this BBSV2, KH3D territory perhaps?
Well, it's implied that Vanitas is the one who brought him there from Neverland, so you could argue that he knocked him out before that.
But I still find it laughable if Mickey didn't know who MX was.
I am completely fine with Mickey not recognizing Apprentice Xehanort physically. Not because he never met Terra (do you really think Yen Sid would send Mickey off to look for someone who he can't even identify?), but because of the hair/skin change. That's enough of a justification as far as I'm concerned. I mean, as an example, technically the only difference between Namine and Kairi is the hair, but it's not like Riku immediately identified Namine as Kairi (he said she had a similar smell).
However, what I don't find very excusable is that Mickey did not recognize the name Xehanort.
Why would Yen Sid not tell Mickey about MX? He's the one who told Eraqus that MX went missing in the first place. To say that Mickey hadn't even heard of who MX is in BbS basically says that he really wasn't even doing anything, just flying around worlds with no purpose. At the very least, even if Yen Sid didn't tell Mickey about him during BbS and he somehow managed to elude seeing MX... wouldn't he be told about him after? I mean, Yen Sid wouldn't even fill in the details of when Terra was last seen? Basically, from Mickey's perspective, the only villain was Vanitas, and Terra just... disappeared.
I mean, at that point, it wasn't Terra that was just missing, but MX too. Yen Sid wouldn't tell Mickey this?
Yet we know based on Re:coded's ending that Yen Sid must have told Mickey about MX at some point. He specifically says "Master Xehanort," and it's not as though Mickey is surprised at him being called "Master," so the two must have had the same Xehanort in mind.
But prior to that... he can barely even remember the name of Xehanort in KH2. That basically suggests that Mickey and Yen Sid had different conceptions of "Xehanort" for some 11 years, which is laughable.
This is by no means a plot hole, you can definitely argue that all of the circumstances worked a certain way. That Mickey never saw MX, never even heard his name, thought of a different Xehanort than Yen Sid for a decade, and then must have been told about MX afterward. It's just silly though.
is it possible that mickey had some kind of memory loss in that time gap?
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i dont think its possible that mickey would not recognize this name without some kindof excuse, isnt xehanort the primary reason he's on his "secret journey"?
did he just accept the cloak from DiZ not knowing what he was going to do?
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According to the BBS 20 Mysteries Solved, it implies that Ansem's memory loss was more or less caused by the explosion that sent him to the RoD.
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@Grass: When you put it that way it does sound completely laughable and almost pathetic that there was that much of a miscommunication or lack of info on Mickey and Yen Sid's part.
And lol at the explosion knocking the crap outta Ansem that he got amnesia
And lol at the explosion knocking the crap outta Ansem that he got amnesia
theres still a possibility of mickey losing his memory at another point in time, as i stated earlier i dont think its likely for him to just "forget" that name.
Its been implied that Mickey is maybe impervious to the effects of ussing the corridors of darkness, possibly even being protected by the black hood
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If I recall correctly it was said that Mickey only knew/felt that the worlds are in danger and ran off without Yen Sid's consent. The star shard indeed sent him flying around worlds randomly, but surely to the places where he was needed (saving Ven from Vanitas, helping Aqua with saving Kairi etc.).
His purpose was to help the trio out in several ways, he would not need to know Master Xehanort for doing that.
Then there would however really come up the question if it is really miscommunication or intended on Yen Sid's part.
Why would he need to bother Mickey with information about Master Xehanort when the main threats where Ansem SoD and Xemnas?
For his (apparently) decade-long search for Aqua, Terra and Ventus (one has to give Mickey credit for perseverance, though) he would also not need to know how Master Xehanort looks or sounds like.
Yen Sid seems to be the kind of guy who doesn't give out more information than absolutely necessary to fulfill one goal at a time.
Mickey only got a black coat at the end of Chain of Memories...he was however already in the RoD during KH 1, apparently by using a random dark corridor popping up in Traverse Town.
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The machine explosion being the cause for Ansem's memory loss is plausible though, as Riku was also in the RoD for a certain time and he didn't have any memory loss.
And that's fine, but Mickey just ends up looking like an idiot when his Master had information about what was wrong rather than something being wrong in general.
I'm speaking about post-BbS, pre-KH1, before Ansem and Xemnas even existed.
Let's treat this like a criminal investigation.
We have two missing persons. Terra and MX. They were last seen together.
With that in mind, why wouldn't Yen Sid inform Mickey of MX in his efforts to find Terra? Imagine if I was a police officer who neglected to tell a detective about these details. It's vitally relevant from common sense alone. And you'd be an idiot if you didn't think there was some sort of connection. I mean, Yen Sid connected the dots on the Unversed and MX's disappearance beforehand, I think he would do the same here, especially knowing Terra and MX's past (eg the death of Eraqus).
MX's departure was what set things in motion in the first place in BbS. With him potentially still on the loose (and Terra gone), Yen Sid would be an idiot not to warn Mickey about him, if Mickey really didn't know who he was already.
I assume when you say "fulfilling one goal at a time" you mean how he didn't tell Sora and co. that Xehanort would return after the destruction of Xemnas/Ansem. I see no problem with this and it isn't a very valid comparison. Letting them know that wouldn't serve much purpose in their then-current quest. The only result would be, if anything, a morale crusher, knowing that Xehanort would return yet again.
In this case, knowledge of MX is directly relevant to finding Terra and moreover something Mickey should have known in the first place. For all Yen Sid knows, MX could have escaped somewhere ready to strike again. And he isn't going to tell his apprentice, who has set off to find TAV, about this potential danger?
As I said, it isn't necessarily a plot hole, it's just flat out dumb.
Hell, if Mickey had never known the name of Apprentice Xehanort, there wouldn't even be a problem.
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Is this similar to the Situation Donald and Goofy were in in regards to the Mysterious Tower? Or did the inside/outside of that change causing them not to recognize it?
I know what you mean, in a way, this is one of those situations where there "sort of" is an explanation for a situation to avoid making it look like a flat-out plot-hole, but using such an explanation shows severe stupidity on the character's part.
Example, Sora being disappointed that he defeated an imposter and not "the real Ansem", when the imposter was clearly dangerous, there is NO need to show that kind of disappointment, especially after hearing that the real Ansem wasn't bad.
As dumb as this might sound, couldn't he have simply thought that Apprentice Xehanort and the one he was looking for were two different people?
I know it sounds silly, because how many people would have the name "Xehanort?" But think about how we all reacted when BBS scans were first getting released and we learned that the Old Guy With Mad Keyblade Skillz was named "Xehanort." A lot of people, myself included, were really confused at first. We knew BBS took place in the past and it would be covering Xehanort's backstory, but that old guy didn't look anything like the Xehanort that we had been fighting in the previous games, except for the eye color and the obvious love for darkness.
I remember people theorizing over how Old Xehanort could be connected to the Apprentice Xehanort, whether they were the same person or not, etc. Once people started getting a good look at Terra, the "MX fused with Terra" theories did start pouring in, but I admit, I wouldn't have thought of it on my own if it hadn't been discussed so much on KHI. There was a time when I even wondered if AX was simply Terra with a different eye color, hair color, and memory loss, because he'd become so full of rage and hatred for Xehanort that he opened his heart to darkness (hence the appearance change) and after getting knocked out in the fight, he only remembered Xehanort's name. Which would mean that Xehanort wasn't the real Xehanort, just an amnesiac Terra.
Okay, so obviously I was dead wrong, and AX was the MX/Terra fusion. But my point is, we were all analyzing those scans and videos to death, and we weren't completely sure whether they'd fused or not and how it happened. Mickey never saw Terra or Xehanort, and even if Yen Sid provided him with a description of the pair, that's not the same as actual seeing them and constantly analyzing their pictures.
So would it be really crazy to suggest that he just looked at Apprentice Xehanort and thought, "Oh, there's no way that's the guy I'm looking for. He's too young. Freaky coincidence though." It wasn't like Apprentice Xehanort was showing any overt signs of evil anyway and Ansem trusted him.
Yeah. That one's technically even dumber (though not as big of a deal) considering that the explanation itself doesn't even work. When they say "Master Yen Sid lives here?," they say it before entering the tower, yet the outside of the tower looks identical to how it did in BbS.
I already addressed this:
As for the possibility of Xehanort being a commonly used name like "Ed" or something to that effect, I don't buy into that.
Especially in a game where no one really has last names (or they're at least never said, irrelevant either way), first names are used uniquely. If one character talks to another about someone named Sora/Kairi/Riku/etc, the character knows who they're talking about. The only time there would be overlap between names is, obviously, when names are stolen, as in the case of Ansem. But he literally had his identity taken too.
Hearing the name "Xehanort" should have been a eureka moment for Mickey if he had actually known MX's name prior to that. The idea of him saying, "Oh, maybe it's just someone else named Xehanort" is also pretty laughable.
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