Nayru's Love

I'll get the drinks. xP

To be honest, I think you're intellectually reaching here. You make the concept sound intelligent by opting not to address it at face value: every rule that time travel has in KH was contrived with the singular purpose of making it a viable method by which to have YMX appear in the story. There is no other reason for it to exist within the series as such, no matter how one glamorizes it with philosophical window dressing. This, for me, reduces it to a lazy form of deus ex machina. The same goes for the character of YMX himself, a character who, in my mind, has yet to justify his own role in the story of DDD. All things considered: he came, he made some vaguely ominous observations, did nothing that wasn't already going to happen, gave no indication (in fact, could NOT give any indication) of what was going to occur in future installments, and he made for an average to decent final-ish boss fight. Even his identity was never an enigma: he looked like Young Xehanort, he was Young Xehanort, and despite Nomura drumming up the hype for his big, important revelation, he lacked any noticeable impact on the game as a whole. He was, well, forgettable. He could have zero screen-time in KH3 and I wouldn't miss him.

All of that said, of course I totally appreciate that you take something more away from this element of the story, and I don't mean to undermine or invalidate your enjoyment of it. I see it for what I feel it is; you see it for something more, and that's totally ok. I've had to do some mud-slinging with people over characters like Xion (whom I adore) and pretty much the entirety of KH2 (which I disparage in jest but really do treasure), so I'm no stranger to the notion that a differing opinion is just that.

Interviews - KINGDOM HEARTS - Kingdom Hearts Insider
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Interviews - KINGDOM HEARTS -HD 1.5 ReMIX- - Kingdom Hearts Insider

Just click a game on the site, then "Interviews" will be one of the options under the game tab once the page loads. (we're fixing it so you can click on the tab and a drop-down menu appears to be easier)

No, I wasn't saying that your archive was invald! I was saying the links in it can easily be linked to our site (as you know we are KHInsider and we want our members to use our interview archives as much as possible without linking away from our site) so I was saying you could link the interviews to us as we have most o them in our archive.

Seeing you did the interview compilation in anticipation for newbies, you might want to include these as well:
Mysteries of Kingdom Hearts - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider

They are also from the DDD Ultimania.

Hey! Just wanted to let you know every interview you linked in your Nomura Interview Archive is available on our site! I think it'll be easier for you to peruse our collection rather than jumping from site to site!

Hiya Nayru! I hope you don't mind, I edited your Interview Archive thread a little bit. The interviews you had sourced KH13, they had actually sourced us, so rather than jumping around from site to site I just changed it to our direct link as the original source.

We had a Nomura Interview Archive thread?

I can't see why not, unless the others decide it detracts from main page views. Go ahead~

Why would I let a single one of you fall by your when I can uplift all of you with my boundless erudition?

Don't worry about that, do it when you're well rested.
By now I am used to the fact that apparently each of us has Real Life taking away much of our online time, myself included.

Certainly an interesting threshold to stop at, lol, I haven't really paid attention to my own postcount recently. I think last time I checked I was around 4.450.

Hey, didn't hear ya in a while, but nonetheless congrats on joining the club of the silver elite, lol.

That took me quite a while due to other important stuff, but here we go.


Axel clearly states that she looks just "like Namin?", not that she looks exactly like Namin?, which isn't much of a stretch anyways since Kairi and Namin? (and therefore Xion) have the same face. There's also the incident where he finally tells Roxas the truth about Xion's nature and states that while she's "a mirror that reflects Roxas", it wasn't Roxas he saw in there.

That's another interesting viewpoint on it. And I dare to assume that many people who whine that KH is "too convoluted" or "too hard to understand" simply either don't want or can't pick up all the necessary pieces to make that clearer picture. After all, a 50-piece puzzle is easier to solve than a 2000-piece one.

If XH were this, he wouldn't be exactly a Heartless but the same type of being as Vanitas is. And by flipping that, Vanitas should, at least in theory, have the same possible abilities than XH (aka Ansem SoD) has. The hidden Mickey is a symbol that pops up everywhere in the KH Universe, not only on the keychain of the Kingdom Key. Don't you overthink it here a bit?
On the note of Mickey saving Riku and AtW, that's all nice and dandy, but he failed to save TAV in BBS and Sora in DDD from Xehanort's darkness, Terra and Aqua didn't get saved at all, Ventus lost his heart and Sora was saved by Lea.

Like said I am not someone who demonizes this, heck, sometimes even I can read some fanworks which are "more perverted" or look at some "dirty" fanart even of the yuri or yaoi-kind.
I just get somewhat irked when it's treated as the primary thing about the characters or even worse, proposed to be included in the actual material of the series. That's where I draw a line.


Well, I strive to be observant, lol.

Isn't the identity as a whole a central part of a sense of self? Isn't a sense of self only then "truly" fully developed if the being in question gains a separate identity and also believes in that identity?

I can see how that may relate to wielding, but I do assume that wielding a Keyblade is not such an important factor in the sense of self or the identity, as for that despite the recent "influx" of more wielders compared to the population of the entire universe it is still a very rare feed.

Perspectives matter of course as well, it also depends on the individual outlooks and interpretation of creation and destruction, order and chaos, life and death. It's always the same duality that follows through nearly every fictional work in some shape or form.

Yep, and I guess that's also why the series often gets misinterpreted reviews or characters' behaviour being classified as "weird" in western views because they do not understand the context.
I don't know how often in the past two years I had to explain to someone that close physical affection does NOT always mean romantic interest/undertones.
The western society and media/films/etc. are so narrowly focused only on romance that they forget that there are other forms of love as well that can also incorporate physical and emotional closeness.

Less experience doesn't need to be a hindrance, as you may see things with different eyes and can adapt easier if Nomura introduces a real hammer-change or new reveal in the cosmology.
And I mean what I said, so if that makes ya happy even better.
Since it has been almost a month by now (too much RL stuff for me to attend) I dare to assume you're revitalized by now. ;D

I can clearly see that being a reason, lol, you're so fast I cannot keep up. *ggg*


Don't forget Axel sees her as this too after a while, not only Roxas and Xemnas. Namin? herself also calls her "she" so she obviously also sees Xion's "own Xion-form". We don't even know if Vanitas has any influence or resonance at all in the Sora-Roxas-Ven dynamic since it isn't even confirmed what happened to him after Ventus destroyed the X-blade.
In the conversations beforehand Ventus made it pretty clear that he didn't want to be fused with Vanitas and that he intended to destroy both him and the X-blade.
It's not a stretch to look into the possibility of there being a relation between the hair colors, but the more I think about it the more I conclude that we are overthinking things here.

Jeez, gonna go comment that with a quote from Riku: "They just never want to make this easy, do they?"


I see, as in eliminating Ansem SoD would eliminate the time-travelling powers in itself.
Yet that's ought to be the main problem, Nomura didn't point out that Ansem SoD returned no matter how often he's been defeated. There must be something more that not only allows Ansem to stay around as a being (all the tormented ones like Xion and Roxas can do that too!) but also allows him to return to influence the physical world again.

So, Ansem's a sort of imprinter. Somewhat weird nonetheless as the source of all this is actually MX when enacting his body-theft plan on Terra.


Ouch, a bunch of crazy fangirls I presume...
I mean, I have no problem at all with same-sex relationships(or sexual intercourse), but especially rabid Organisation XIII-fans tend to often overdo it (not to mention most of those pairings are completely unlogical and ridiculous).

Inventive, I've to say. ^__^
The Identity-theory would require much of preparation work beforehand anyways, I already made two monster-posts about parts of that topic in other threads, although the issue of Keyblade wielding also has many variables we cannot assign a true value to yet, it may be easier to wrap the mind around because it doesn't go so deeply into the essence of the "self" and the heart how it's handled in thes series.
Regarding this however I also remembered an interesting quote that also fits the general issue: Cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am), or, in more casual speech: "I am thinking, therefore I exist."
Flipped towards KH, this seems to be Sora's general stance on stuff as in "It/he/she has its own thoughts and feelings, therefore it's a person of its own". Donald, Goofy and Mickey also seem to take this stance towards Data-Sora in Coded.

Yeah, but that's why I brought up the term of "form". If the hearts' existence is eternal, it continues to exist regardless what happens to it. What changes is the form of its existence and what possible "layer of reality" (or "dimension") it can influence and interact with. Loss of the body and therefore the ability to influence and interact with the physical realm (aka the Realm of Light, if we can equate these two on one level) would then be just that: Loss of the physical form.

Going by the notion that while the physical existence is temporary, it is not that overly important in the sense of themes, as seen with Maleficent, her physical existence ended once but she gained a new one without the story putting much emphasis on this, as well as Nomura saying this:
"When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on."
This leads to the impression that losing the body isn't even that much of a bad thing since even if it was extinguished/destroyed, it can be somehow restored. And considering further that the soul inside the KH Universe is nothing truly personal but really only an energy battery (or an accumulator?) the only steps needed to "resurrect" a person or being would be 1. creating a body, 2. outfit it with a soul so it has energy and 3. find and reawaken the appropriate heart and put it in the body. While being "only" three steps, all three of them however do not sound like it's a walk in the park to do them and the series itself so far only gives us hints (with Ansem's data and Sora's heart power) to step 3. Step 1 and 2 are actually irrelevant in the cases of Ansem the Wise, Aqua and Ventus, because their bodies and souls are readily available. For Terra however these steps may become interesting if Xehanort cannot be banished from his body without damaging it and for Namin?, Xion and Roxas they're practically a must-do.

Would Light however not even need to achieve that because it already IS an eternal element? Light seems to not make evolution with itself, it evolves other things by creating and granting life, regardless if human, animal, plant or entire worlds and these things evolve then. Darkness on the other hand disrupts and cripples that evolution in order to facilitate its own. This bears more resemblance to a parasite than true evolution, as Darkness cannot do anything on its own, it can only take things made from Light and twist them, which would however go hand in hand with the notion of it being born inside the hearts of humans where originally was only light.

It's also possible that Nomura only goes off on the symbolism because it's "exotic" to the Japanese audience. Hideaki Anno did nearly the same with Neon Genesis Evangelion, which has much christian imagery (hello, cross explosions) and symbolism but doesn't give much shit on actual religion inside the show. Having exotic symbolism and imagery inside their works is a common thing for the Japanese (as is their preference for German and Germany). I remember watching an anime show and when they showed a map of the main kingdom where the Capital was called "Kuchen" (German for cake) I as a native German got into a giggling fit.

Heh, seems we think alike in several areas (although I'm much slower in some cases it seems). It does sound totally crazy on first reading, but when reading deeper and seeing how the actual argument chain fits, it becomes much more creepy but also to an extent "awesome".
That was the best fitting solution statement I could think of, and therefore I would probably go nuts if this would be really the case, but as a parallelism it does surely serve as an interesting perspective.

That all being said though, in terms of creativity and open-mindedness you are among the most interesting persons I met in this community. Even if I am "a person that develops preexisting ideas and concepts on a much larger scale than everyone else, that turns them into borderline-canon material.", the time I need to do so cannot keep up with the sheer pace on which your mind is churning out new theories and ideas.
Dude, you're an amazing guy. ^__^

Gee, I wonder when you answer the rest of that conversation?

On the issue with "everything existing through Xehanort" I have to admit that I was speechless, couldn't even comprehend it at first because it's just too fantastic, not to mention degrading nearly all other characters to mere facets of Xehanorts "journey", so I lean clearly more to the "disturbing" side than the "beautiful" one.

So, finally going to tackle this:


I don't remember Nomura speaking specifically of the black-hair or putting much emphasis on that, instead going on more about her general appearance being related to Kairi because Sora's memories regarding Kairi where the ones the most messed up by Namin? and therefore the first and foremost Xion could absorb. Since it functioned like that the memory chainlinks that came loose in Sora's heart trickled through their connection into Roxas first and where then absorbed from there by Xion, it stands to reason that Roxas probably retained a faint imprint of these memories (which would also explain his weird dreams later on and seeing "the boy in red" more often), which would explain why he sees her as a "Kairi" first.
If I recall correctly, Xion having black hair was an idea Tomoco Kanemaki had which Nomura liked and included.

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Going by this, I think it would be safe to assume that Roxas' and Namin?'s hearts where "created/born" by the "mini-KH" that consisted of Sora's, Kairi's and Ventus' hearts?
Just like Xemnas' heart was "created/born" by the "mini-KH" of Xehanort's, Terra's and Eraqus' hearts? And what about Ansem SoD, has he a new heart too? (Having an own sense of self separate from Xehanort, Xemnas or Terra would indicate that)

I think I know which procedure you're hinting at here, something like the two Crimson Prankster Heartless we had as bosses in Days.
Which means each "Xehanort"-version serves as an "anchor", a "life insurance" for all the other Norts. This would mean that as long as one Nort is still alive and kickin', he could revive all the others all over given the appropriate time.
The only possibility to defeat Xehanort for good then would be to kill off all his forms in a relatively short period of time.

Why that, lol? Was the KH convention overrun with shippers? *ggg*.

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Whoa, you're really chuming out theories like nothing right now. What do you smoke? rofl.

Have we even a list yet on what core concepts that identity theory would work?
I had to look up "evolutions of dimensions" first and do some fancy research in other fields since I didn't really know the term, lol.

There's a small logical error in the explanation:
If the heart defines "eternal existence" in the first place, how can it "lose its existence" in the third bullet point of the explanation. If it's an eternal existence it cannot lose it, that would be a paradox.
Or are we talking the "form" of the existence, as in spiritual/physical/mental as while an "eternal existence" may not be able to be truly "lost", it may be able to change form.
The body is definitely a temporary issue as it needs the energy of the soul to function. Without it, the body cannot be sustained and the heart loses the ability to influence things in the physical world.
Regarding the soul there's also the thing that we don't know much about how it functions in the KH Universe, the only hint being it is "like a battery".
It'll be interesting to look at what exactly happens with the soul when it departs the body. When it departs, it most likely means that all energy stored in it has been used up, so what then? Does that particular soul disappear for good, or does it go somewhere where it can be recharged to power a new body?
And if the identity/sense of self in the KH Universe rests within the heart, which is able to be shattered and get inactive but never truly completely destroyed (due to the immortality of memories and being the "eternal existence"), does the soul even fulfill other "duties" than being an energy supplier for bodies enabling hearts to exist within the physical world/layer/or "dimension"?

I agree it does have quite some analogies to theological ideologies in the Real World, although I wonder if we can really describe light as "stagnant" since every new heart and new existence is born from light and originally only this before Darkness taints it. Worlds and being are created from light, this is also an evolution and we have yet to see darkness create something, so far, we saw it only destroying stuff.

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Shall I call you Speedy Gonzales of theories now? *ggg*

Howdy, howdy, you're way too fast for me with my limited time to keep up, haha.

I need to read your last three messages in detail to properly answer them, but that I can do only a bit later. Right now, a new project at work requires my full attention. <__<

I tried looking for a term in big bang cosmology - which seemed the closest, since I know of no actual study in other dimensions and how they change over time - and couldn't find zip, sorry :c

It's however the most plausible explanation we have atm. Yeah, which I also suspect has to do with the fact that the connection between Terra+MX which ultimately is the reason for Xemnas' "specialness" is different than the Sora+Ven one which is responsible for Roxas "specialness".
Of course, then there's also Kairi purifying Sora which is another factor which doesn't exist in Xemnas' case.

Hmm, I'm a bit confused with the wording, but I suspect you might have an idea here which I actually use in my FanFic already (nope, I haven't posted up to that point yet, therefore spoiler-tags

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If all Xehanort's would have the same power Young Xehanort wouldn't be needed as a portal, would he? Not to mention Nomura's statement that Young Xehanort is only borrowing the power from Ansem SoD because Ansem gave it to him. If every Xehanort could have the power, Young Xehanort would not need to borrow it nor would Ansem need to do all these shenanigans in the first place, he could just initiate everything by himself.

I can understand that, it gets especially nasty if some parts of the fandom get fanon and canon mixed together and expect things that are more than just unrealistic. <__<

Alright.........................dad.

Grandma Taochan...I might tease her with that, roflmao. XD

Hey, thanks for nominating me for that award. ~<3