I want that art of the BBS trio as a avatar now. Can't wait for the translations.

I'm loving that adorable Meow Wow sketch ahhhhh! <3

The continuous lack of Skuld makes me a sad fudge.

Pretty funny how the Foretellers are almost lined up like organ pipes, lol.

They also placed the mysterious guys (MoM and Luxu) and the cutie-cinnamon rolls (Chirithy and Ephemer) more or less together *ggg*.

I also still can't get over NGE-PenPen the bathing penguin as a Dream Eater.

I'm really interested about the Chirithy. With all the scenes and shots we see, I hope it'll explain more about them and their origin.

Adorable art up top with those three sketches. And another shot of Ephemer! Still lacking Skuld, but maybe it'll just be a surprise for the movie, I suppose.

I replaced all the scans in the OP with ones from my iPad. They're larger and should provide better resources if you wanted to cut out an image such as the art on the first page of Dengeki.

Thanks.
By the way: Hello drop-gauge my gorgeous friend. <3 I haven't noticed you in a while but now I did.

Exactly how I feel. Her being left out of Back Cover, if that is what's happening, makes absolutely no sense to me. Shouldn't one of the Foretellers see her with Ephemer? Even if it's just a passing glance? And then there's the scene between her and Ava and Player, her being a part of Ava's speech to the crowd, the scenes between her and Gula, the fact that she was the leaders of the Dandelions in the real Daybreak Town (while Ephemer was the leader of them in the Unchained realm) after Ava left, etc.

I swear, why is it always the girls in this series who get the short end of the stick?:/

If she's not in Back Cover, I'm really praying she's at least in KHIII.

But seriously, Square. What are you doing? Why would you cut Skuld out (unless there's some weird plot twist reason as to why). Don't you know how well-received she was, and that we want to see our brown-eyed, long-haired, non-Kairi clone girl in beautiful HD graphics? Gah!

Skuld scenes was only with the players that why we don't we won't see her

Maybe they're trying to spoil her yet, we only seen Ephemera in one trailer and we haven't gotten another scene of him since the E3 trailer, months ago. Nothing about the short end of the stick, maybe she doesn't play a role in the movie?

Rendering her long hair was too much,explains why she's been missing.

I still think we will see her in kh3

I also think if she's gonna make it in they'll try not to spoil her too early, maybe?

That's why I also said she won't play a role in the movie. She's still in Unchained X and She and Ephemera appeared at the end of X. In other words, whether or not she appears in the movie, she still might play a role in KHIII at some point.

All i wanted was a render of her..is that to much too ask.

it is pretty suspicious that the game is coming put on under a month and we still haven't seen even a render of Skuld. Don't know if they don't to spoil her, but she's been in jpux for around 6 months so I don't think she would really count as a spoiler, unless she's involved in some heavy endgame stuff in BC or whatever.

Still holding on hope that she pops up, but I'm def suspicious of what's going on until release day.

6 months in jpUx is like, completely unknown for the main fandom, tbh. Considering just the other day a "fan" asked me how I knew what the Foretellers are if Back Cover isn't out yet...

I'm starting to adjust to the thought that maybe she won't even be around at all.

I spy with my little eye, a smol KH3 screenshot. Neat.

Don't think I've ever been so happy to see Mickey and Aqua fighting together on the Destiny Islands. That said, I'm going to take a gander and guess that Destiny Islands is probably the final world in the RoD that Aqua goes to.

I love the little quotes in the artwork, with DDD Sora going "zzzz". Meow wow is also "resting" on the quote bubble :p

It's possible they haven't fine-tuned Skuld's model yet, like young Xehanort's stretchy face in BBS.

eh I was talking more media wise than fandom wise. 6 months is enough to at least show a render of her at least.

Since they seem to not want to show the Player, I can understand if Skld doesn't show up, as her role in Chi as we know is more heavily tied to them than anyone else. Compared to Ephemer who blatantly meddles in the Foreteller's affairs, Skuld isn't an active participant in their plans. All of events you've mentioned could quite easily be cut out, or just referred in conversation.

We all would love if she appeared and of course we're still holding out that she'll show up, but you need to stop crying out like it's some huge conspiracy whenever they refrain from showing or mentioning the female characters.

This

I understand people want to see her but like you said, she's heavily involved with the player not the Fartellers. The movie is about the Fartellers side of things, not the players or Skuld. I understand she's liked mostly because she's not connected to Kairi or Sora but her not in the movie isn't a crime.

What!? Where? Which page is it on?

Woah, hold up. Is that Master Form Sora vs the 1000 heartless in that KH2.5 screenshot on the last page?

they're always doing weird esoteric stuff like this in screenshots. there was a 1.5 spotlight where Sora was flying around in Hundred Acre Wood.

KH II promo featured them and Organization XIII in KH1's Hollow Bastion.
Still haven't forgiven SE for pulling that one.

That's kinda different, though. The team probably fullwell intended to use KH1 Hollow Bastion at one point and that trailer was indicative of that; the remaster screenshots and trailers are strange because they show Sora using certain items and abilities during events of the game that aren't possible in the full title.

KH1.5 was a huge offender with things like this; shots showing Sora using the Keyblade in Dive into the Heart, magic on Destiny Islands, etc

No KH1 Hollow Bastion when showed.
Worst game ever.
Doesn't care.
GG, and I actually mean BG.
0/10 would not play.

Please tell me you're joking, that was a Beta, like a lot of things used in betas or demos.

Well, since you asked "please"... I was obviously joking.

good contribution to thread, great discussion, keep it up

You know me, I like contributing to topics in a manner that doesn't irk anyone.
Never happened.

Possible reasons for why we have yet to see Skuld in Back Cover:

- Unlike Ephemer, Skuld is more tied to the Player and not the Fartellers (curse you, OathkeeperRoxas XIII) and what involvement she has with them isn't necessary for Back Cover's 80 minute story, so she's cut for this reason.

- X[chi], Unchained X, and Back Cover are all alternate timelines/realities, and Skuld doesn't exist in the BC's.

- Skuld being in Back Cover is somehow super spoilery. For example, to continue from the second option, Skuld doesn't exist in BC's reality until the end. She becomes "Unchained" or something, and from there travels to the X[chi] timeline and then to Unchained X's.

- Xehanort shenanigans.

Saken has translated the first page of the Nomura interview!

- In the final trailer we briefly see glimpses of Terra and Terra-Xehanort... Nomura: For details please look forward to playing the game. By the way, at the Official Kingdom Hearts "First Breath" concert, we had a conversation read out vocally to the audience involving Namine and Terra. The Terra from the scene you mentioned is from events following that conversation.

I'm guessing the split into Ansem/Xemnas freed a fragment of Terra that could then communicate with Aqua(and Namine, after she is born)? It seems Aqua both experiences replayed memories, hallucinations, of Ven and Terra, and actually sees them to some degree during the events of 0.2. Terra is unable to see Ven for some reason.


EDIT: Namine speaks to the Lingering Will and tells it/him to reach out to Aqua....so I'm guessing the little wrestling match between Terra and Terranort is the "mind" in the Lingering Will fighting against Xehanort.

We told Nomura to make the concerts canon and he actually did it the absolute madman!

Nomura plz.
Why this.
Every time.

I mean. I'm not actually mad.
But still.
Most of the fandom doesn't even have that info.

"By the way, at the Official Kingdom Hearts "First Breath" concert, we had a conversation read out vocally to the audience involving Namine and Terra. The Terra from the scene you mentioned is from events following that conversation."

except if 0.2 takes place during kh1 time how is that even possible. nami didn't exist until the very end, and she wouldnt really be pouring over sora's memories until after aqua gets separated from the king so how is he there at all?

I should be surprised but I'm not lololol

Then again those who don't know what happened at the concert could infer Terra is doing something similar to what king mickey did in Reverse Rebirth, or maybe they might have Terra say he heard a voice that called itself a witch that told him to guide Aqua, or try to explain it in KH3.

Or not talk about or explain that moment from the concert at all

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I don't recall getting a specific timeline of when 0.2 takes place. Aqua's in the RoD from the end of BbS all the way to now, so for all we know 0.2 runs alongside the entire series. I mean, surely we will see timeskips given there's several years between BbS and Mickey's departure just before KH1.

It takes place primarily during KH1 time? We see Terra and Ventus illusions throughout the worlds prior to when Aqua meets Mickey. She meets Mickey before he even has the KKD which means its before the KH1 ending. We're told 0.2 is primarily about the time Mickey and Aqua met. The only way this really works is if the Terra/Vens /are/ just illusions, but the Terra she speaks to in the trailer is "real" and the scene between her and him is /after/ she separates from Mickey and not before like we're heavily lead to believe.

Like so far it looks like CoD -> DW -> ED -> Terra/Ven scenes (you can see the thorns) -> Meeting Mickey -> Destiny Islands

So unless things are out of order, and 0.2 covers much longer than it claims to, it really doesn't work.

Seeing ruined Destiny Islands and how it looks to be the last area in 0.2 kinda throws a wrench in this.

Personally I'm just chalking this whole thing as time in RoD is messed up, but who knows.

That's what I thought, that the Namine and Terra/TN encounter happens after time has passed in the RoL to the near-end of KH1.

It's a tight fit, but there's a week between when Sora stabbed himself and Namine was born and when Mickey was seen on the other side of the door.

If, at the start of that week when she was born, Namine communicated with Terra.

What would make that incredibly depressing is that Aqua and Mickey were on Destiny Islands moments before Sora showed up to fight Xehanort's Heartless.

But Namine doesn't start piecing Sora's memories back together and reaching out to the 'people that hurt' until the end of CoM, which I'm pretty sure we have an exact time on because of 358/2 Days but I'm too lazy to look into it right now. There's no way Namine and Terra could have spoken before that as Namine wouldn't have had a reason to.

The only explanation is that Terra's will/heart time traveled backwards just so that he could speak to Aqua.

(I need to sleep. so many typos omg)

Could it be possible that Namine sent her heart back in time to speak to Terra?

Oh well, kinda disappointed to be honest. Let's see how this will be revealed in the game (if at all).

Actually, that might be it.

Terra does fit the qualifications for time travel, so he might've done that. Unless there's something i'm forgetting with the rules of time travel, but this definitely sounds plausible.

except in the conversation she says things like "You're the only one the people of this time don't know the whereabouts of." and "We will all make it to the same place, you see.".


You can only travel to a version of yourself that already existed there naturally, which wouldn't really fit.

maybe their hearts just transcended space and time. this series has flimsy rules so i really don't mind the means if the ends are entertaining

OP updated with the Back Cover part of Nomura's interview.

I'm curious as to why Nomura thinks that, after watching the film, we will have an ill feeling towards Aced. I hope Nomura didn't confirm the traitor D:

Also I fucking lost it at Ava pulling the trigger on the gun.

Well, Aced already exhibited some unsavory behavior in χ[chi] so frankly I'm not surprised. He's basically a warmonger whether he's the traitor or not.

Speaking of Ava, though, the person who wrote the KHxBC Impressions seems to really like her.

That's because she is the best foreteller and a wonderful person

Nomura: As I was writing the scenario for Kingdom Hearts Back Cover, I was careful so as to make each character look neither like a hero nor a villain

Wow, Nomura-kun, way to let your FF Versus XIII start showing. "For there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

His heart won't let go. He will put Versus into every game. 2.8, KH3, FF7R. All of it.

Well, there IS another possible explanation.
It was stated that Naminé was born already with "the power over Sora's memories and those connected to him" so it is possible that she could affect or see things/connections even before she started messing Sora's memories around.
It is further possible that it was she who traveled back in time during the period between CoM and the end of KH 2 before she rejoined with Kairi.
The condition of a "version of her" existing at the time before the end of KH 1 is fulfilled as Chaser pointed out and Naminé was always an anomaly/unstable being who had no real "body" to begin with. Thus her heart is/was technically free and could possibly perform limited time travel at least for the year she existed outside of Kairi.

She would lose this ability most likely the moment she fully fuses into Kairi, as starting with this she technically "has a body" even if it is not hers nor does she control it.

Y'know, the Organization used Naminé against Sora.

This means, naturally, that the Organization would have had to have discovered her power over memories.
Which means she would have had to demonstrate that ability.

The only member who could have had a connection to Sora at that time was Xemnas.
Who happens to be Terra's body.

- In the same trailer Sora, Donald and Goofy's presense were also confirmed. I think this moment of the trailer made fans incredibly happy. Nomura: Up until now, we hadn't developed cutscenes for next generation consoles, so we're still getting used to it, however I think they will only further be improved with time.

CMIIW, doesn't this mean they haven't created cutscenes for KH 3? So the game is still far away from completion.

Alternatively, Xemnas was also present in Hollow Bastion (in Final Mix at least). He may have also been aware that Kairi's heart was resting in Sora hence why he has an interest in Namine too. But you do bring a valid connection.

The way I see it, I believe that Namine communicated with Terra before Sora went to The End of The World. Namine may have been well aware of everyone connected to Sora before she was even given physical form.

While the point in RoL-time when the scene of the concert happens might be truly around just before End of the World, in some form Naminé must have either future knowledge or be time traveling from the time beyond CoM since as Audo pointed out, she addresses Terra as being the "only one the people of the current time have no idea where he could be", which is a piece of information a just born/pre-CoM Naminé simply can't have even with memory powers as there are no memories that pertain to this fact yet.

By the time 0.2 (which takes place most likely parallel to the last third of KH 1 as far as they have shown) is happening, "the people of the current time" do not only have no idea where Terra is, by that time they also have also no idea about Ventus and if the whole "Terra contacting Aqua"-stuff takes place before Mickey runs into her they also don't know about Aqua either.

The part of Terra being the only one they have not even a hint towards makes only sense from a post-CoM point in time if not even a post-Re:Coded point as it was during Re: Coded (by first seeing Roxas' appearance and being told of the "very special bond" between Sora and Ventus by Data-Naminé) that Mickey finally learned a hint as to where Ventus might be.
He even outright says that in the first secret ending of Re: Coded to Yen Sid, that they might finally have a clue towards where Ventus' heart is.

So there is definitely a discrepancy in terms of the timeline that can be arguably resolved only in two ways:

Either a) Naminé's heart is somehow time-travelling and goes back with present (post-CoM/possibly even post-Re:Coded) knowledge to the time of the last third of KH 1, stirring the Lingering Will somehow and resulting in Terra's essence taking up action or
b) 0.2 covers more RoL-time than what has been hinted at so far (time flow in the RoD is severely warped anyways) and both the Lingering Will/Naminé-meeting and Terra contacting Aqua takes place parallel to later events in the RoL-timeline.

Possibility b) might sound to some more unlikely due to the assumption that Enchanted Dominion (where the particular scene seems to take place) could only be traversed by Aqua before the end of KH 1 due to it being restored afterwards...but that does NOT have to be the case actually.
What if Enchanted Dominion is one of the worlds NOT restored at the end of KH 1 but which fell into the Realm of Sleep instead? We never see or have any mention about ED in titles after KH 1 and Maleficent is constantly on the lookout for a new base of operations, something she wouldn't need to do if ED was restored as then she could use the Forbidden Mountain as a base again.
Enchanted Dominion being still a sleeping world even after DDD (it was never specified that Riku's and Sora's opening of the seven sleeping keyholes actually released all sleeping worlds) would also allow for some possible connections to a certain other version of ED which we saw in a certain secret ending of a certain browser-game.

...of course Naminé's time-travelling. And of course the First Breath thing makes as little sense as it did when we first heard about it. I'm not even surprised lol.

The conversation from the 'First Breath Concert' takes place just prior to Kingdom Hearts 0.2.


Namine follows the chains of those connected to Terra to reach the Lingering Will, who has been resting in the Keyblade Graveyard since the end of Birth by Sleep.


She tells the Lingering Will to guide Aqua through the Darkness.


Terra shows up at Castle of Dreams, near the beginning of 0.2.


Aqua has a bit to go through before she reaches Destiny Islands, and the end of Kingdom Hearts 1.


However it seems unlikely for Namine to have existed just prior to 0.2, as the events from Sora stabbing himself to closing "Kingdom Hearts" takes place over the course of a week in the Realm of Light.


Of course, time does move slowly in the Realm of Darkness but Namine speaks as if she has the knowledge of what occurs in Chain of Memories and Re:coded, in that people are connected to Sora and they're hurting.

HELP.

Well, the knowledge that people are hurting and connected to Sora could be dealing with Ven and Aqua. Ven is an obvious case, as for Aqua, Namine probably examined that memory that appeared in DDD (of Aqua petting Sora and Riku on the head :tongue: )

Does Namine need to have time-traveled though? I thought the terra/terranort event could have taken place between KH1's end and Namine's birth, although that's a tiny span of time.

My answer to all this:
"Master Yen Sid lives here?"

'Nuff said.
There CAN be a valid explanation about this in Nomura's head, but damn it isn't really clear and it shouldn't be headache inducing.

Or just she connected to those Aline with Sora and found something, nothing headache inducing or time travel.

Plus I thought you have to discard your body was one of the ways to travel through time where another you existed? Am I wrong?

So Naminé is connecting to a present Terra yet to be confirmed post his battle with Xehanort. Unless there's more about Naminé and her power that limits just Sora And those he's met, we don't know.

Oi.

Oi, Nomura.

Could you please put this Terra/Namine scene in one of the games and not just, you know, a concert.

The other's theory about Time Travel seems to work based on the fact that Naminé doesn't really have a body, so she could travel easier kinda like Ansem SoD did, for what I've understood.

The thing is, in Re:Coded Naminé states she found the info about Ventus and the others when she was putting Sora's memories back together, hence post CoM.
Also, I think when she talks about those who hurt she means Xion too, and that's even later.
It's definitely hard to justify all of this knowledge in pre-CoM Naminé.

Thanks to Saken for translating this!

Nomura: For details please look forward to playing the game. By the way, at the Official Kingdom Hearts "First Breath" concert, we had a conversation read out vocally to the audience involving Namine and Terra. The Terra from the scene you mentioned is from events following that conversation.

Welp. He did it. He made the concert canon. XD

Nomura: Well, I couldn't help that, he's just got that sort of personality (laughs)

This made me laugh. [strike]Master of Masters is Nomura confirmed.[/strike]

Nomura: There was no improvisation. Everything was scripted. There is only one part where something Aced says is not according to the original script. In one of the scenes, where Aced and the Master of Masters are conversing with each other, Aced chews up his words but because of the situation, it ended up being pretty funny so we left it in as is.

Now I can't wait for this. XD

Nomura: But, I think if you follow and think about the story from a logical standpoint, from the beginning Aced has some solid arguments. As I was writing the scenario for Kingdom Hearts Back Cover, I was careful so as to make each character look neither like a hero nor a villain, however in the end it seems that only Ava was received as a good girl (laughs) At any rate, if you think of the story progression as a gun, where Ava is the only one with the capacity to pull that gun's trigger, I'm not so sure about how devoid of sin she really is...

Nomura isn't gonna let Versus XIII go dang it!

Also, I like what he said about Ava.

- Speaking of which, in Kingdom Hearts Unchained X, from gathering Guilt and manifesting that power with the Strength Bangle, we seem to have a new keyword, "sin"?

"Guilt"? What is this "Guilt"? We gather "Special Attack Bonus". XD

Seriously. I hope whatever genius thought to name "guilt" as "special attack bonus" in English is sweating hard right now.

Gonna make profusely sweet messages to SE about this gross translation error.

Very few are commenting that maybe not everything about Unchained and the Foretellers might be about KH III, which I always hoped was the case.

...maybe Skuld isn't even related to KH III at all.

" But, I think if you follow and think about the story from a logical standpoint, from the beginning Aced has some solid arguments."

Ah, Nomura-san, how I feel you.
Also hurray for Ava, her being seen as this pure innocent lamb amongst wolves was getting irritating.

i don't know nomura did say he might see stuff from unchained in kh3 plus also nomura did made kingdom hearts 3 art for ephemer and skuld in the kingdom hearts x 3rd anniversity art

The Namine thing is so interesting, it's been explicitly stated that she's a "special" nobody, but just how special that is might be revealed soon...

Except we were never told it was non-canon. In fiction, everything is canon until the authors explicitly state otherwise, not the other way around.


That can't be it. Everyone knows making Aced the traitor would be very anti-climatic.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the traitor is Ava. That conversation with Luxu that made her so shocked to the point of actually fighting in the war really seems to imply that, and Nomura emphasizing she might not be as innocent as she looks further adds to that.


If I remember correctly, Nomura said the tower was in a different location because Yen Sid can move it, and Donald and Goofy didn't recognize the tower because of this.


Isn't discarding the body just needed to obtain the ability to time travel, and you keep it even after getting a body? I'm pretty sure that is the case, or else Young Xehanort wouldn't be able to appear in KHIII.


Or are there?
Possibility c) Sora from KHIII for some reason time travels to the point in time after Naminé was just born, when she was still a zombie like Roxas, and just by him existing somewhere in the universe Naminé is able to read his memories, she then somehow connects to the Lingering Will and tells him about that. However, after some time, she ends up forgetting about that, the same way Roxas eventually forgot about most of his first day, hence when she finds the memories prior to KHII she doesn't have previous knowledge of them.

You know, I wondered recently if KHIII would show the time after Naminé was just born, as she's the one artificial being we know the least about. Like, I thought if maybe KIII will have a flashback of when the Organization found Naminé. Now I thought of the possibility we might be time traveling to there. Wow.
(Though honestly, I think I've been wondering since 2012 or 2013 if there's a point in KHIII where Sora will time travel and it would only be revealed at the end of the game that he did it. Like, recently I even thought of the possibility he might be the mysterious light that took Terra and Aqua to Destiny Islands.)

or it the master of master or nobody at all and they were used from the begging nobody is inncent

What the flying circus. This merits purchase for the onsen penguin DE alone.

I had to. I just had to.

Well, gonna try my best to avoid reading any further interviews. I feel like I already know too much about 0.2.

Indeed.
And I am so glad you had to.

And the interview is complete! Thank you Saken for your hard work :)

Ok, no changes outside any bugs and a new box art would lose the meaning of the 2.5, 2.5, and 2.8 box arts.


(Hopefully no problems with the Ps4 versions, don't need several Videos are that).

I do hope he releases new info in Paris's Concert :D I'll be so happy to be someone who tweets of events happening from there

- In the same trailer Sora, Donald and Goofy's presense were also confirmed. I think this moment of the trailer made fans incredibly happy. Nomura: Up until now, we hadn't developed cutscenes for next generation consoles, so we're still getting used to it, however I think they will only further be improved with time. Adttionally, until now we've been able to utilize the models used for characters and scenery from predecessing games as a base, but with KH3, as expected from the power of the next generation consoles, we are not able to do this and have to remake all our models from the very beginning, which is hard work.

They didn't ask you about technical difficulties Nomura, for God's sake...

I actually found the weird switch funny as well.
I mean, I get how talking about the return of SDG makes you remember the characters models part, still... xD

He must be very conscious of how bad they look

Wait, nothing about graphical improvements or loading times in 1.5+2.5 ?
Or does that statement only means that there's no extra content like boss fights, etc?

The games are the same just running on the PS4 hardware, no changes

I believe he means that there is no additional content. I'm personally hoping for some bug fixes.

From now to March, porting compatibility and bug fixes are all they're doing at this point.

Wow... Nomura never ceases to fascinate me. Just hearing him talk of the development, designing character models, world maps, game play effects, Dialogue scenario for scenes and the main story along with being careful how he chooses to display each character's story and personality... It all sounds like such a burdening job, and then how he states how sorry he is for not being at a place where he can give us some long awaited update on KH III. You can tell by his words how eager he truly is inside to share with us what he has planned and how far they've gotten in the production. I feel for the guy there...

So yeah, this really inspired me! I know of how much time and effort it takes to write a story and especially get to the point of reaching it's end from my own experiences. So much time! But, what I've read in this interview definitely gives me something to look forward to in the new year. I was very interested about the remark about Terra and Terranort and that time in a KH concert when it was said Terra and Naminé's Japanese voice lenders were there in attendance to reveal a special story surprise mystery connecting to the future installments. That is so Nomura San and what I've come to love about him! He sounds like a genius. I do not understand Japanese anymore than he probably does the English language, but I would love it if I could meet him one day...

If I could choose one thing I'd request of him it would be that the scenario Dialogue scenes length extend and quadruple the times they are displayed in the future installments. I really, really look forward to this the most I think! If there were lots of brilliantly designed and portrayed story Cutscenes with the beloved characters playing the roles in KH III, that would make my biggest wish for the KH series come true! ^o^

He said that the insides of the tower always change which is why Donald says "This tower is so strange!" and that was his explanation for the inconsistency between BBS and KH2.
Trouble is, Donald doesn't say that. He says "Master Yen Sid lives here?!" from outside the tower meaning he didn't recognize it at all, and Nomura's explanation for the retcon falls flat and doesn't work lol.