One is always really sad and insecure about what to do, gets frustrated and angry at people for keeping secrets about them, cares deeply only for their two friends and would do everything to keep them safe, even by betraying the Organization, and is at the constant search of a reason to their existence.
Figure out who I'm talking about.
Or rather, show me when they did something the other one wouldn't have done in their place, personality-wise.
Sounds a lot more like Roxas than Xion.
As some are pointing out now, and what I had in mind, is that Xion was a lot more active than Roxas. She didn't just talk about running away, she did
it. Many times. She didn't just sit and ask for answers, she went looking for them. She didn't distrust everyone other than Roxas and Axel-- considering her month+ of time with Riku, I'd say she trusted him quite a bit. Then cared about Sora much more than Roxas did.
As a side note, getting frustrated and angry at people keeping secrets just seems like a natural reaction to me. Especially when communication is key in any relationship.
No, the point was that people use Nobodies age to justify everything about Roxas, EeL literally said Roxas could only perceive emotions at a basic level and should be allowed to be whiny at any length because he's a newborn.
It just doesn't work that way, or I could use this reasoning to excuse him from pooping in its pants for no reason.
Roxas IS capable of complex feelings and reasonings.
Pooping in his pants is completely different than having difficulty perceiving/processing emotions. Roxas had no episodic memory, but one could say he had muscle memory-- he could walk, talk, and weild the keyblade. But lack of episodic memory would take away his ability to interpret emotions by recalling past situations where said emotions were key. He has to figure out emotions all over again.
Again, it's not about what they remember. It's about feeling emotions and reasoning and what role their age plays in, something in which Roxas and Xemans shouldn't be divided by anything.
Roxas is a teenager, and Xemnas is an adult. I don't see why they wouldn't be divided at all.
And that was really the point of the entire Days-BBS-Coded trilogy: to reconstruct the active plot in order to accommodate a broadening narrative.
I agree with this.
They could have done any of those games much differently. The same way they could have done Days differently. They could have done anything
in the series differently. But this is how they chose to do it.
I've never really understood the Xion as Mary-Sue or self-insert perspective, though. She's a character who is expressly designed to have no power of her own, who is frustrated at (almost) every attempt to establish her own will or control her narrative in any way, who disappears for large portions of time, who pointedly has no real insight nor secret special knowledge about anything that's going on, and who spends most of the story either at odds with or being manipulated by the protagonists. If it's simply a matter of introducing a central female character with mythological relevance, contrived relationships with existing characters and a tragic fate then both Aqua and Namine are Mary-Sues. And what does that say about Roxas, Ven, and Terra? Are dudes categorically exempt from this criticism? 'Cause it applies to all of them equally.
I like you.
Specifically, I like you calling out male characters. I don't remember the arguments right now (I could come up with some of my own when I have more time), but I know people have pointed out male characters having "mary sue" qualities which are ignored overall. I remember some arguing that Sora is just a mary-sue (or "gary stu" if you want to use the stupid gendered terms).
Maybe you should replay the game? Because both Roxas and Axel had to save her ass sometimes.
"Sometimes" does not equal "all the time." She saves her own ass plenty.
Also, being a 'Mary Sue', which doesn't really exist, implies that Xion was Mary Poppins in personality: "practically perfect in every way" and liked by everyone. But she wasn't liked by everyone. Saix never cared about her, seeing her as nothing but a useless, faceless puppet. Xemnas only saw her as a backup plan in case Roxas was deemed useless. And unless your name was Roxas, Axel, Namine or Riku, everyone else was either indifferent to her(the remaining Org XIII members) or never knew she existed(King Mickey).
I forgot about that trait of mary sues. You're absolutely right. From the beginning, she was considered a tool-- if she was liked at all by most of the Organization, it was only for her ability. Which really says they didn't care about her at all.
Also KeybladeKnightQ, in fairness to Kairi and Namine, they have important roles in the games they appear in, plus "strong female characters" doesn't always equal being able to fight their way out of a situation, there are other types of strength.
Thank you for pointing this out. I hate when Kairi or NaminÃ© are seen as weak.
Who didn't cry when Xion died in Roxas arms?
I know this was hypothetical, but I actually also didn't cry. Partly because I'm probably an ass, and partly because my brother spoiled the ending for me before I got there. Jerk.
Again, looking at the series as a whole now, I agree that Days could have done better to service the overall plot and existing characters. It probably would've been better without her. Be that as it may.. what's done is done. Xion happened lol
True. Perhaps the game would have been better-- but now that she's here, she's here. And I love her.
One positive I can say about Xion is that I feel she has the best character theme in the series.
All the music is so amazing that it's hard to decide, but I like the way you think, at least.
Again, case in point: what about Namine and Chain of Memories? New best friend of Sora and Riku, dramatic and sad story, ends in pretty tragic fashion
Fun fact, when I had only played KH1 and then started Days, and had no idea who NaminÃ© was, her description about manipulating Sora's memories really pissed me off. I'm glad I don't hate her now, but her role always threw me off.
Overpowered? She only has access to that super rare "Keyblade" (which has been or will be wielded by every single KH original main good guy and several Disney tie-ins by the time KH3 rolls around)
Obviously that is a totally unbalanced, surface-level reading of her character which doesn't take any of the particulars of her circumstances and the real strengths of her character into account. But that's how people read Xion.
I think you've finally described what my feelings are about most readings of Xion.
(And then, I don't need to quote it all, but I love the entire rest of your post.)
I personally liked her character, as I felt I could relate to her more for specific personal reasons... honestly without her, days would've been very boring to me, and I wouldn't have considered the game memorable at all. Everyone has their reasons though, and I understand. I typically like games if I can relate to a character, and Xion was the only one I felt a connection to in days.
Same here. It seems like her being relatable is perhaps part of what makes people think she's a self-insert...? Which doesn't make sense to me because relatable is necessary if you want people to care about the characters, but okay.