Cartoon/TV ► WandaVision

[KingdomKurdistan]

Has anyone seen Mulholland Drive? A coincidental Pietro recast that looks like Fox Peterbut doesn't actually mean anything but to play on audience perceptions is such David Lynch thing.

WandaVision is a Lynchian TV show that borrows from Twin Peaks and Mulholland Drive. People shouldn't be disappointed if it turns out to be "nothing". Because it isn't.

The scene below, one of the greatest in cinema history imo, is an example. Dreams, reality, the fuzzy line dividing them, and our own role as audiences are on display.

Not only does the character struggle to come to terms with the unreality of his existence, but we come to terms with our role in it and it's role in us. The fourth wall break here isn't to yank a character from x-men as a reality check for Wanda (and us) but to yank a character from his dreams ("I see him through the walls. He's the one who's doing it." Doing what, exactly? Is that man the director? Is he us?) as a reality check that he isn't actually real; that he's part of a movie (that's my own interpretation; others are available).

Now, I don't think people's fears that Peter won't be explained are founded. The show will almost certainly give an explanation (and it'll probably be weak and contrived). But if they didn't, it's not a sign of weak storytelling. There's a thematic and subtextual reason even if it doesn't serve the plot.

Mwahahahahaha Fiege just kind of lent some credence to my own hope that the casting had us in its sights and not the characters in the show. Breaking the fourth (fifth?) wall and bringing us into the hex:

Asked about casting Evan Peters as "Pietro," he says they came to that casting decision "early on in the development process...as a way "certain people" were messing with people." Winks at a "catchy song."

I like that.

If they actually go through with this I'll be very impressed, very happy to be right in interpreting it, very happy to be wrong in assuming they would chicken out, and very excited for the outcry that is sure to follow

 

[Absent]

This is it. This is what I’ve been waiting for.

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[Chaser]

It wasn't my favourite

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because I don't really know the history of Wanda in relation to the movies outside of Civil War and the Thanos films (and even then I don't know what was going on) but Kathryn Hahn just kept delivering.

First time I got pissed at the credits rolling up. I need the final!

 

[Darkspawn]

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Looks like we’re set up to have:

Wanda vs Agatha
Vision vs White Vision
Monica vs Fietro

Paul Bettany teased working with an actor he always wanted to work with and it looks like he was referencing himself.

Finally we have the official Scarlet Witch. I’m glad to see that Wanda always had powers that were just amplified by the Mind Stone.

At this point, I’m not sure what to expect with Fietro. Agatha was possessing him, so maybe he’s really just another Westview resident and his super speed was her magic? We could still get a multiverse Peter reveal in the finale, but I’m starting to lean towards it just being stunt casting.

 

[KingdomKurdistan]

Not just best episode yet. Best single 40-minute chunk of the entire MCU.

Outstanding in every single way. A devastating mediation on grief, loneliness, and displacement.

Never thought the MCU would slow down this much. So glad it is.

 

[BufferAqua]

Unrelated to the episode, but I'm wondering if her relationship with Clint will be elaborated (in either another ep, show, or movie). Because from what I recall, he was the closest to Wanda besides Vision.

 

[Face My Fears]

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It was an OK episode. They're really dragging out the big reveal (if there even IS a big reveal). Generic backstory told in a generic way.

Only interesting thing was seeing that "vision" of what seemed to be another Scarlet Witch. Hopefully that opens up the multiverse and brings in X-Men. Otherwise this series seems to be a letdown.

 

[KingdomKurdistan]

Generic backstory told in a generic way.

There's around 20,000 minutes in the MCU. I've watched all of them.

Today's episode was the best 40 minutes in the whole thing. It's honestly jarring how much better WandaVision is than all other output by Marvel Studios. Makes it harder to appreciate everything else upon rewatch.

There's plenty to appreciate in art beyond plot reveals. Not everything has to be about plot. Some films don't even have plots. I rewatched today's episode ten minutes after the credits rolled. And it absolutely slayed me the second time as much as it did the first. I'm usually very critical of superhero stuff, and even the ones I do enjoy I feel are the film equivalent of tasty junk food.

Wandavision isn't junk food. It's a lean homecooked meal crafted by a master chef in expert command of their craft. Today's episode didn't feel like an American superhero film, it felt like a character study you'd find in European slow cinema. That can be jarring if we're raised on easier diets. I honestly think WandaVision is up there with the best TV shows in recent history, but that depends on whether they stick the landing next week.

 

[Face My Fears]

There's around 20,000 minutes in the MCU. I've watched all of them.

Today's episode was the best 40 minutes in the whole thing. It's honestly jarring how much better WandaVision is than all other output by Marvel Studios. Makes it harder to appreciate everything else upon rewatch.

Well maybe for the MCU it was the best lol. But for stuff outside the MCU, it's pretty generic.

I will save my final opinion on WandaVision after the last episode airs because that can affect it... but honestly at this point, I actually think the show has been a disappointment. In the middle it had a ton of potential, but then it severely lacked pay off and dragged out stuff to hold on to the mystique. The pacing for the show was just all over and the storytelling was decent at best, but it was essentially made to have weekly surprises and cliffhangers to guarantee Disney+ subscribers for months. I'm not even looking forward to next week for the resolution of Wanda's story, all I care about is what major reveals will happen (which at this point I think will be none). It really is not a good show and I definitely don't think it will be enjoyable to rewatch.

 

[Darkspawn]

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As fun as it was to theorize about some crazy plot twist or character reveal, I’m glad they chose to keep this centered on Wanda and her experience with trauma and grief. As someone who has experienced trauma myself, I relate so much to her retreating from reality into the things she loves and finds comfort in. This was a beautiful episode and I’m so thankful they decided to tell this story. I needed it.

With this being the first Marvel show, fan expectations have been all over the place, mine included. But this show is a good example of giving people what they need rather than what they want. It was for me at least.

 

[KingdomKurdistan]

But this show is a good example of giving people what they need rather than what they want. It was for me at least.

Brilliant way to put it.

I love how brave they were with toying with us as Wanda toyed with the residents of Westview.

A TV show about someone living in a TV show watched by others on a TV in the show brings us all into that very hex by manipulating us in a very direct way.

We've been so transfixed on watching the drama unfold in this very voyeuristic manner, with unhinged joy at someone's suffering as we theorize from the comforts of our beds and couches.

The show makes us complicit in her pain and then sweeps the rug from under us as we find out WandaVision was watching us watch it all along: Your adorable theories must be so fun but have you ever had your family killed in front of you as you tried to escape the war next door via the idyll of an idealized suburban America?

The Fietro twist being that there is no twist is an act of narrative subversion that will challenge for the greatest coup de theatre in TV history. It's almost cinematic vandalism.

 

[Xickin]

So I didn't know this, but WandaVision is a combination of two comic series, House of M (Where Wanda changes reality ) & The Family (A story where Vision creates his own Nuclear Family and lives in the Suburbs). I knew about The Family, but I didn't know anything about House of M. I mean, I've heard of it, but never took interest to find out what it's about.

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Just to confirm, Director Hayward lied about Wanda stealing Vision's body? Because we saw her create a new Vision in this episode, right? And then we saw White Vision come to life at the end credits, correct? As far as my knowledge goes they didn't make a new Vision, so how or who were they tracking in the Hex?

So since Wanda's Vision can't leave the Hex (because my previous thought was "Dude, of course you can't leave, you're not completely real (unbeknownst to him) so therefore you can't leave the space maintaining you") but now apparently Chaos Magic has come into play and can make something out of nothing. So I can see one of two scenarios: 1. Wanda uploads her Vision into White Vision as to allow him into the outside world again / 2. Wanda realizes the potential of her Chaos Magic and fully realizes it, making Vision a real boy.

Also, I hope Agatha doesn't die off like in pretty much every other MCU movie. It's very seldom that an MCU villain lives past their first movie. I'd like a battle between her and Dr. Strange. Sorcerer Supreme VS Salem Witch, place your bets!.

 

[Darkspawn]

So I didn't know this, but WandaVision is a combination of two comic series, House of M (Where Wanda changes reality ) & The Family (A story where Vision creates his own Nuclear Family and lives in the Suburbs). I knew about The Family, but I didn't know anything about House of M. I mean, I've heard of it, but never took interest to find out what it's about.

Spoiler Show

Just to confirm, Director Hayward lied about Wanda stealing Vision's body? Because we saw her create a new Vision in this episode, right? And then we saw White Vision come to life at the end credits, correct? As far as my knowledge goes they didn't make a new Vision, so how or who were they tracking in the Hex?

So since Wanda's Vision can't leave the Hex (because my previous thought was "Dude, of course you can't leave, you're not completely real (unbeknownst to him) so therefore you can't leave the space maintaining you") but now apparently Chaos Magic has come into play and can make something out of nothing. So I can see one of two scenarios: 1. Wanda uploads her Vision into White Vision as to allow him into the outside world again / 2. Wanda realizes the potential of her Chaos Magic and fully realizes it, making Vision a real boy.

Also, I hope Agatha doesn't die off like in pretty much every other MCU movie. It's very seldom that an MCU villain lives past their first movie. I'd like a battle between her and Dr. Strange. Sorcerer Supreme VS Salem Witch, place your bets!.

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Yeah Hayward was lying and edited the footage to make it seem like Wanda attacked SWORD. White Vision was created from the original’s parts.

I would love to see Agatha and Mordo team up against Dr. Strange and Wanda in Multiverse of Madness.

 

[KudoTsurugi]

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Yeah Hayward was lying and edited the footage to make it seem like Wanda attacked SWORD. White Vision was created from the original’s parts.

I would love to see Agatha and Mordo team up against Dr. Strange and Wanda in Multiverse of Madness.

Fingers crossed that it happens

 

[Alpha Baymax]

Falcon and the Winter Soldier has some real big shoes to fill after WandaVision is over.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Falcon and the Winter Soldier has some real big shoes to fill after WandaVision is over.

I think it'll be fine. It's going to hit on racial issues surrounding a black Captain America among other things related to that. They are being clever with their marketing by hiding a key aspect of this show's story. I'm excited by the premise even though I fear it won't go as far as it should considering Marvel's relationship with the US military, but I do know it'll at least broach the subject of unethical experimentation and exploitation of underprivileged groups.

While it isn't some wild and zany magical plot like Wandavision, it'll be special in its own way.

Also Sebastian and Anthony have major chemistry so their buddy cop schtick as Bucky and Sam is going to be enjoyable to watch.

 

[Alpha Baymax]

I think it'll be fine. It's going to hit on racial issues surrounding a black Captain America among other things related to that. They are being clever with their marketing by hiding a key aspect of this show's story. I'm excited by the premise even though I fear it won't go as far as it should considering Marvel's relationship with the US military, but I do know it'll at least broach the subject of unethical experimentation and exploitation of underprivileged groups.

While it isn't some wild and zany magical plot like Wandavision, it'll be special in its own way.

Also Sebastian and Anthony have major chemistry so their buddy cop schtick as Bucky and Sam is going to be enjoyable to watch.

True, and it's likely to be more traditional MCU action/comedy fare so it does have that going for it.

 

[Chaser]

Give Kathryn Hahn her own spin-off TV show, movie series, and video game pls.

 

[AegisXIII]

I will watch it tonight in my timezone. I just want to know: is the ending satisfying? Did your mind blown?

 

[Chaser]

I will watch it tonight in my timezone. I just want to know: is the ending satisfying? Did your mind blown?

I liked every bit with Kathryn Hahn. There were several bits of it that were disappointing but I won't say what they are yet since people would only be finishing the show right now if they are watching straight away.