- Nov 30, 2008
Honestly you're making a better argument for why Ven definitely shouldn't have gotten the BoP then why he should. If the Master of Masters wanted Ventus to play his part in the future Keyblade War he'd need to know as little about his future as possible.
Right, but remember that when we meet Ven in BBS, he was catatonic after what happened with Master Xehanort. Plus, I believe Chirithy mentioned that Ven doesn't remember them anymore. Whatever happened to Ven during the time-span of UX and BBS must've messed with his memory to some degree. So it's possible that even in the memory loss, the MoM knew this was going to happen anyway and was going to choose him because the knowledge would've been the safest with an amnesiac Keyblade wielder. This is a Master who we haven't pinned down truly what his goal is yet, so even though I admit it may be a bit of a stretch, it's not impossible when we know that he's directly manipulated so far already.
Plus, Luxu knew his role for the Keyblade War, was a direct influence, and he body-hopped all this time until now. It could've been the same for Ven had he ended up getting the book.
Also I'm kind of curious, wouldn't the other Foretellers know about the Union Leaders? Luxu certainly did, after all he knew that one of them didn't belong. If the book detailed the events of the future most likely leading up all the way to the clash in KH3, wouldn't there need to be at least a mention on who would lead the unions after them?
Luxu would know because his role was to observe throughout time and watch No Name get bequeathed over and over until the chosen one (Xehanort) would finally try to recreate the Keyblade War. So Luxu would have to know at some point who everyone is, but as far as we know, everyone else died in the War.
But if the book DID have that kind of information, then it would mean that it could be any of the Foretellers that are currently in the shadows manipulating events.
On the point of Ava being the only one to know who the 5 Dandyleaders are, it has been shown constantly that the Foretellers don't have everything as they would have planned. They are constantly found with their pants down about everything going on (especially about the whole "Guilt is the power of Darkness" thing), so I wouldn't be surprised if the information somehow leaked beforehand.
I agree, and it's quite possible that they did know. Of course, we only know so much so I can't say 100% for sure on anything, but it's clear that the Foretellers all had their own agendas. In the Secret Reports, Luxu said that a Darkness threatened the world after they left, so it's implied that everyone besides Luxu weren't present (as far as he knew). Unless Darkness is ALL of the Foretellers, but they just take turns playing the role. (which would be... huh?) But Darkness does have information that most wielders shouldn't, and that's why I'm thinking that their identity has to be of them. Or had the opportunity to explore the tower and read the BoP enough to know what's going on.
...Ava knew that Player knew. Strelitzia going to tell him wouldn't have made any difference which ultimately is the sadly ironic thing about her death. This doesn't make sense as a motive for the murder because Ava had been the one to invite Player, Ephemer and Skuld into the Dandelions. The only way that would make sense is if Ava didn't know who Stre wanted to invite, but even then, as a Dandeleader part of her job was to recruit more Dandelions, so unless she had to tell that she was a leader (which I don't think she was going to as there would be no reason to mention that), I don't see a reason to kill her for that.
You make a good point. But then, maybe Strelitzia WAS going to mention she's a Leader. She had her rulebook and we know that she wanted to talk to Player, but in her desperation... Who knows what she would've said. Honestly, I typed up the theory of Strelitzia being silenced, but I can admit that I'm taking a lot of leaps on this one. That's why I think we don't have enough information, but the basis for the theory is moreso off the idea that if Ava = Darkness, what if Darkness was responsible for killing Strelitzia? This is ALSO based off me wondering if the False Leader and Strelitzia's Murderer are the same.
Cause let's say Ven isn't a chosen leader after all, it may not be set in stone that he killed her either (although the logic is there). If the False Leader and Killer aren't the same, then how did the F.L. get the Rulebook? It would've had to have been given by someone respectable, someone everyone knows that they were in charge of organizing the Dandelions -- Ava.
Occam's Razor would be, False Leader = Killer, but neither Union member has shown the propensity as of right now to murder someone in cold blood, in the back of a house in pitch black darkness. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but then someone right now would have to be lying about their very nature. Who that would be... I guess Brain is suspecting either Ven or Skuld.
The replacement would know because presumably they were told after Stre died. Stre died right after the bell rung signifying the Keyblade War, and that means that they would have been given their book right before it as well, because we see her assassin take her book.
To be fair though, I thought about it a bit and realized that it was just that I've projected my knowledge of Stre being a Dandeleader onto the cast, as only Brain and Ephemer know now that she was supposed to be one of them. So only after one they gather everyone up can they spread that info. Darn it, it starting to look like Laurium is his sister's replacement. Its just a feeling but a bad one to be sure.
Also Crackpot theory time:
MoM said that in his time, Darkness took the shape of people, and it was a mess telling friend from foe, so what if one of our current cast is actually not just an unwilling vessel for darkness, but darkness is their true nature?
Whoever killed her, knew about the book. That much is for sure. But who it is, I honestly don't have a clue. For all intents and purposes, Strelitzia dying doesn't make sense, because how did anyone know SHE had a rulebook? That's why I'm thinking it would've had to have been someone privy to the knowledge of the next Union Leaders. The Master of Masters knew obviously because he chose them, Ava knew because it was her role... So who else? Unless Luxu was listening in on the whole conversation and decided to kill Strelitzia for whatever reason, but then why? Or, if the Foretellers knew about the next chosen five, what motive would any of them have for killing Strelitzia?
If the False Leader is the killer, it makes things easier, but I just can't help but wonder how they would've known to go after her. As far as anyone else was concerned, she was a regular Dandelion. Nobody was supposed to know who was a leader and who wasn't. Unless she was stalked, but then, why?
Regarding the theory, it's possible, but then that would mean it would either be Ven or Skuld. Ven because of Vanitas and Missing Ache, and Skuld because... We don't don't really know all that much about her. MoM is also very cryptic, so who knows what he's saying when he talks about this.