[SPOILER] KH2.8 discussion

[Grono]

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I really don't think Aqua knowing about what happened the first time in the dark realm is a contradiction. Wouldn't she be surprised if she heard the worlds fell more than once? She only knows of 1 time. Last she knew, Mickey, Sora, and Riku restored the worlds and all was well again in the Realm of Light. Only problem was that she was stuck there, Ven was still sleeping, and Terra was missing but definitely still fighting.

I think it's reasonable for her to be hopeful for Terra and Ven, only to get disappointed.

That said, one would assume she'd guess it was Sora or Riku who saved the world again maybe? But would she think Sora was the one that was gonna fix all of Ansem's mistakes or use the data he hid inside him and all that jazz? Did she really expect the boy this stranger was talking about to be Sora?

Anyway. It would have been better if Mickey never mentioned Sora and Riku by name or knew that they were from Destiny Islands. That'd keep it ambiguous enough for Aqua to definitely not have a clue who helped save the world.

But Blank Points still hits hard for me. To me, it seems like Aqua may have been giving up again and hearing that Sora saved the world not only once, but twice AND he's gonna save her and her best friends.... that stuff was not contradicted at all

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I absolutely agree with you in the Terra and Ventus part, I think it's reasonable of her to at least try and see if any of them woke up at all. I don't think her mind would have immediately jumped to "Oh, Sora saved it again, right?", but at the same time I think it's safe to assume that hearing the name again wouldn't have been "surprising" nevertheless. I don't know, I guess her emotional reaction for me seems a little bit strange to me now since she's already caught wind of this once by this point, and she certainly didn't seem all that moved when she first heard of Sora from Mickey. I don't have a huge issue with Mickey telling Aqua pretty much everything (it'd be weirder if he explained nothing to her), but at the same time I feel like Mickey mentioning everything to her and filling her in ahead of time would have certainly at least softened the blow for the worlds falling. Also, she sounds so shocked that a keyblade wielder was there to save the worlds from darkness, which I found kind of strange. I know that when she heard it wasn't Terra or Ventus that her heart sank, but I don't think the conclusion of "oh, yeah, the one that already saved the world once saved it again?" would have been inconceivable to her at all, especially since as a keyblade master that was kind of her job that she was supposed to be held accountable for. I don't know, there's just a couple of scenes in there that were turned into moot points for me, as it seemed like Ansem was just relaying all of pretty much the same information to Aqua that she heard before. I'm fine with her reactions to everything, I just wish parts like Aqua being just as shocked that the worlds got into trouble again meant more. 0.2 was definitely full of answers, but I felt like it gave away too much in those scenes, and ruined some of the surprise of blank points to Aqua thanks to his involvement.

tl;dr I guess contradiction wasn't the right word, but I still don't think Aqua's emotional reactions were as powerful after having to go through Mickey's exposition talk from 0.2 where he pretty much filled her in on everything.

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@gronodonthegreat

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While I'm fully prepared for Mickey knowing Sora and Riku's actions to just be sub-par writing and I even agree with you that it's the most likely possibility, his phrasing is suspect to me: he seems to be responding to the specific wording of a prophecy. I want to bring up an old theory from the KHX Browser days, which is that Yen Sid may be in possession of one of the Foretellers' books of prophecy - specifically, the book we saw at the outset of KH2. Other people independently suspected that Mickey might have access to such a book for KHX-related reasons, which I won't get into because they're kind of time consuming and partially displaced by newer information, but aren't necessarily out of the question. Long story short, Ears seems to know Riku is coming with an awful lot of precision, so KHUX or KH3 might yet give us an explanation.

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Hmm, Yen Sid having a book of prophecy... I certainly would buy it. That sounds like it could be a good explanation as to how Mickey would have known those two boys would be wielders of the keyblade one day. Although, that does bring up a couple of questions... such as:
1. The Book of Prophecy is written by the Master of Masters and essentially tells everything from his keyblade's point of view, the one affectionately called "no-name" by Luxu. Does his keyblade follow Xehanort's heartless on the Destiny Islands and through his entire plan to get the Kingdom Hearts of the hearts of worlds? Or does Xemnas have the keyblade, and has actually been spying on Sora since the first game?
2. Reading the last question, how much can the book know? It can know the general outcome of things, sure, but the book can't actually "predict" anything, and the only stuff it can know is from the keyblade's point of view and only records the sides of events that occur with the wielder of the keyblade. So, could the book actually really know anything going on with any other keyblade wielders not directly beside Xehanort, or is it that any keyblade with that eye of darkness can record for the book, meaning Riku's Soul Eater was the one to record the events? Ugh, why does anyone bother to talk about any form of time travel in this universe again?!

 

[Hirokey123]

I figured Mickey was just guessing it was in there because there was literally no where else on the island they could go to, if it's somewhere here then the only other place they hadn't been to as good a guess as ever.

 

[Ven_Roxas]

If they made you investigate the island, it woulda made more sense, but they would have had to make the entire island playable. Or at least that section.

However, I could still find it believable since mick went to the dark corner with a path leading to it. When he approached, a giant wave of heartless came out. That seems like a pretty suspicious place. Dark keyblade checklist
- obvious place (path leading to it)
- dark corner
- loads of heartless
Makes sense to me

 

[kirabook]

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I absolutely agree with you in the Terra and Ventus part, I think it's reasonable of her to at least try and see if any of them woke up at all. I don't think her mind would have immediately jumped to "Oh, Sora saved it again, right?", but at the same time I think it's safe to assume that hearing the name again wouldn't have been "surprising" nevertheless. I don't know, I guess her emotional reaction for me seems a little bit strange to me now since she's already caught wind of this once by this point, and she certainly didn't seem all that moved when she first heard of Sora from Mickey. I don't have a huge issue with Mickey telling Aqua pretty much everything (it'd be weirder if he explained nothing to her), but at the same time I feel like Mickey mentioning everything to her and filling her in ahead of time would have certainly at least softened the blow for the worlds falling. Also, she sounds so shocked that a keyblade wielder was there to save the worlds from darkness, which I found kind of strange. I know that when she heard it wasn't Terra or Ventus that her heart sank, but I don't think the conclusion of "oh, yeah, the one that already saved the world once saved it again?" would have been inconceivable to her at all, especially since as a keyblade master that was kind of her job that she was supposed to be held accountable for. I don't know, there's just a couple of scenes in there that were turned into moot points for me, as it seemed like Ansem was just relaying all of pretty much the same information to Aqua that she heard before. I'm fine with her reactions to everything, I just wish parts like Aqua being just as shocked that the worlds got into trouble again meant more. 0.2 was definitely full of answers, but I felt like it gave away too much in those scenes, and ruined some of the surprise of blank points to Aqua thanks to his involvement.

tl;dr I guess contradiction wasn't the right word, but I still don't think Aqua's emotional reactions were as powerful after having to go through Mickey's exposition talk from 0.2 where he pretty much filled her in on everything.

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I think we're kinda overplaying how 'shocked' Aqua was hearing that the worlds were in danger. That cutscene, her mood was somber and toned down. She didn't much react to the 'worlds fell more than once' and she calmly asked if something was happening out there. She didn't get excited until she asked if it were Terra or Ven.

And when Ansem says his name, all we see is Aqua get chocked up and tear up a bit and call Sora's name.

Like I said, I still think it would have been better if Mickey never mentioned Sora and Riku by name, or that he was literally being helped by those 2. Imagine if it went like this instead:

- Aqua notes that she met the two boys there
- Mickey mentions it's another world that fell to darkness, not even noticing Aqua's comment.
- Cue battle
- Mickey explains the crap about the keyblade of the dark realm and why it might be there (cause it's not explained all that well imo, but hey, it's KH)
- Aqua offers to help him close the door
- Mickey states that the role is already taken
- Aqua would be confused since in this scenario, Mickey doesn't mention that he's being helped or that it's specifically Sora and Riku
- On the rush to close the door, Aqua probably wouldn't even recognize Riku before she's whisked away back into the remnants of Destiny Island

Some may still say, "Well, she didn't know what was happening out there!" She had to have known something was happening because of the teaser in BbSv2. I'm almost positive Mickey and Aqua's meeting has always been planned, and Aqua would have 100% learned what was happening with the fallen worlds just based on that. She just wouldn't have known that there was continued conflict going on on the outside, or that Sora and Riku continued their keyblade saving adventures. Or that Sora specifically is gonna come and save her and her friends.

Now that I think about it, Mickey didn't tell her that Sora could wield a keyblade right? Only that Sora and Riku were helping him. Maybe if she really thought about it, she'd realize that Sora had to lock it from the opposite side, but she could have easily assumed that is what Riku was going to do?

If that's the case, there were really 3 people she could have asked about. Riku, Ven, or Terra (Mickey may be the size of a boy, but he isn't one). She had no idea that the boy she didn't even give the power to somehow obtained a keyblade and has been saving the worlds anyway. Maybe that is why they specifically had her mention that she didn't pass on the power to Sora because Riku already had it. Aqua has no clue about Sora other than he helped.

It's.... kinda messy, yeah (as usual). But it's not a contradiction.

 

[Dark Wing]

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Now that I think about it, Mickey didn't tell her that Sora could wield a keyblade right? Only that Sora and Riku were helping him. Maybe if she really thought about it, she'd realize that Sora had to lock it from the opposite side, but she could have easily assumed that is what Riku was going to do?

If that's the case, there were really 3 people she could have asked about. Riku, Ven, or Terra (Mickey may be the size of a boy, but he isn't one). She had no idea that the boy she didn't even give the power to somehow obtained a keyblade and has been saving the worlds anyway. Maybe that is why they specifically had her mention that she didn't pass on the power to Sora because Riku already had it. Aqua has no clue about Sora other than he helped.

It's.... kinda messy, yeah (as usual). But it's not a contradiction.

except at the end mickey says to Aqua, "With this key and Sora's in the realm of light, we're gonna close this door." and she shows no real reaction to basically being told Sora has the keyblade now either which makes her reaction in Blank Points even stranger

 

[Grono]

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I think we're kinda overplaying how 'shocked' Aqua was hearing that the worlds were in danger. That cutscene, her mood was somber and toned down. She didn't much react to the 'worlds fell more than once' and she calmly asked if something was happening out there. She didn't get excited until she asked if it were Terra or Ven.

And when Ansem says his name, all we see is Aqua get chocked up and tear up a bit and call Sora's name.

Like I said, I still think it would have been better if Mickey never mentioned Sora and Riku by name, or that he was literally being helped by those 2. Imagine if it went like this instead:

- Aqua notes that she met the two boys there
- Mickey mentions it's another world that fell to darkness, not even noticing Aqua's comment.
- Cue battle
- Mickey explains the crap about the keyblade of the dark realm and why it might be there (cause it's not explained all that well imo, but hey, it's KH)
- Aqua offers to help him close the door
- Mickey states that the role is already taken
- Aqua would be confused since in this scenario, Mickey doesn't mention that he's being helped or that it's specifically Sora and Riku
- On the rush to close the door, Aqua probably wouldn't even recognize Riku before she's whisked away back into the remnants of Destiny Island

Some may still say, "Well, she didn't know what was happening out there!" She had to have known something was happening because of the teaser in BbSv2. I'm almost positive Mickey and Aqua's meeting has always been planned, and Aqua would have 100% learned what was happening with the fallen worlds just based on that. She just wouldn't have known that there was continued conflict going on on the outside, or that Sora and Riku continued their keyblade saving adventures. Or that Sora specifically is gonna come and save her and her friends.

Now that I think about it, Mickey didn't tell her that Sora could wield a keyblade right? Only that Sora and Riku were helping him. Maybe if she really thought about it, she'd realize that Sora had to lock it from the opposite side, but she could have easily assumed that is what Riku was going to do?

If that's the case, there were really 3 people she could have asked about. Riku, Ven, or Terra (Mickey may be the size of a boy, but he isn't one). She had no idea that the boy she didn't even give the power to somehow obtained a keyblade and has been saving the worlds anyway. Maybe that is why they specifically had her mention that she didn't pass on the power to Sora because Riku already had it. Aqua has no clue about Sora other than he helped.

It's.... kinda messy, yeah (as usual). But it's not a contradiction.

Yeah, I agree on almost everything you just said there. Although I think Aqua DEFINITELY could have figured out Sora was a keyblade wielder by what Mickey was telling her, she couldn't have had any doubts about that.

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except at the end mickey says to Aqua, "With this key and Sora's in the realm of light, we're gonna close this door." and she shows no real reaction to basically being told Sora has the keyblade now either which makes her reaction in Blank Points even stranger

I'll give you that, she does seem considerably less choked up about the situations at hand in 0.2 than how she takes them in Blank Points. In 0.2 it's "Oh, cool! It's the same two boys from the islands! What a coincidence! Oh, Sora has a keyblade and is saving the worlds from evil? Cool, whatever I guess." And in Blank Points it was like "Oh my god, what have I done? The worlds had to be saved more than once? What's the dudes name? Come on, Ansem, DON'T SCREW WITH ME ON THIS ONE... *single tear streams down face* MY BOY SORA!"

Obviously, I'm hyperbolic-ally paraphrasing here, but she's clearly more moved by the presence of Sora in Blank Points than she was in 0.2.

 

[Relix]

I wasn't going to go through 30 pages of lengthy but definitely intricate and in-depth reactions to 0.2 but I just wanted to share my own thoughts on the experience.

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Through the eyes of a KH die hard fan with nothing but love and admiration for this series and its success. This was some of the best few hours of KH gameplay I've had. The graphical fidelity, the mechanics, the attention to detail in the worlds, the shading and lighting, the new heartless and their intensity (admit it the enemies in the last handful of games have been either so easy it's laughable, or so damn unbalanced that they kill you in one hit and that would be the difficulty of the fight instead of actual enemy AI), and Willa's performance stepped up since her last portrayal. SO MANY GOOD THINGS AS A KH FAN!! ...

...But there are some pretty heavy cringe worthy missteps in the storytelling. It was going to be a challenge from the get go to introduce a character such as Aqua and have her be so close to events, no matter how "background" her role may be. Blank points, with its script and portrayal of emotions, setup a sort of expectation of how much Aqua should know when she meets Ansem the Wise. In Blank Points Sora and Riku, as far as she knows, should still be some backwater kids in Destiny Islands that one day might rise to the keyblade occasion and her figuring Sora is making moves out there saving the worlds should have been a ray of shattering hope in that darkness. Mickey dropping the info dump on her...and her very minuscule reaction to it only to react the way she did in Blank Points kinda doesn't make too much sense from a screenplay stand point but I don't want to get into it. And Mickey losing his shirt because the heartless obliterated it for some reason LOL So I guess Mickey was late to assist Riku in Castle Oblivion because he had to get a change of shirts.

I certainly did enjoy Aqua seeing Riku though and making sure that he was able to do his job uninterrupted, how they handled how she wouldn't be there for him to see once the door closed I feel was a bit on the lazy side. I would have sooner believed that the Realm of darkness is constantly shifting and she had to fight the heartless a little ways away from the door and as the fight went on she drifted farther away to the point where the rift between her and them was too big some other stuff.

I also find it weird that Mickey couldn't tell Riku what had just happened because they were afraid he'd go back in to find her. I thought you could say "Aqua is in the realm of darkness but we will eventually get her back so just stay put" and that would have been enough for Riku to not do anything rash, he didn't seem like the type to do anything rash or anythin- *flashes back to Roxas fight, losing one's very physical image to achieve a goal that is not even guaranteed to work based on the idea of a stranger you met in a castle full of villains* okay maybe he would have done something stupid.

Kingdom Key D's location was odd I guess, I don't know if you'd have to debate on the nature of keyblades like how can you just find one and use it as your own (I know Aqua does for Eraqus' but you can argue that she was only able to because he was dead seeing how dead keyblade wielders can leave their keyblades behind evident by the keyblade graveyard) and does that mean Kingdom Key is the keyblade unique to Destiny Islands I suppose? I don't know. There's just a lot of trusting the nuances of the story and don't look too much into the inner workings of the lore, but when you setup the lore in a way where you have to take certain aspects very seriously (like not having a body and being a heart and because you do not have a body you are therefore not bound by temporal restrictions...that's a very strict rule that one has to obey in this lore...and now we kinda just have to go with the flow with the rest of the lore and not bother with why things are the way they are? Come on.

The bit about Terra and Ven also confuses me just a little. Based on the time it occurred and having met Mickey afterwards this would have to be some time between the end of BBS and the end of KH1. Perhaps its during the time that Xehanort's memories are all messed which is why Terra has a fighting chance or at least can make a nuisance of himself. But by being in shadow or darkness or whatever is happening to him he is able to commune with Aqua because she is in the Realm of Darkness and what is happening is of the darkness I guess. And Ven being trapped with his own mind or whatever is happening to him, is able to be seen by Aqua because it is of the darkness as well, but Terra is unable to see him. Terra does mention that their hearts is also ultimately what made it possible for them to find her...I guess. Also there is no mention of Terra and Ven's keyblades soaring and flying through the Realm of Darkness oneshotting Darksides left and right, one would argue those weren't literal events but things that occur in 0.2 would argue otherwise, so, what's up with that?

I also wonder how Mickey and Riku found their way out. Yes we know Riku somehow made it to the basement of Castle Oblivion and Mickey was having difficulties getting out himself before finding him which further supports my idea of what the Realm of Darkness should have been like; a constantly shifting, almost organic, mass of darkness that can split people up even if they are several yards away from each other...seeing how Mickey and Riku could not have been that far apart. I suppose that could have been explained in Chain of Memories, ya know how they got out, but it obviously was so briefly explained in a nonchalant manner that remembering such a crucial detail years and games later is damn near impossible.

The worlds lost to darkness were PHENOMENAL. Twisting and warping the worlds in new complicated ways, with great puzzles, game mechanics, and interesting boss battles was an amazing touch. I was afraid of whether we'd be fighting in an always gray, unimaginative husk of a sandbox but they managed to make every area have personality...especially those mirrors! Definitely my favorite part of exploring or taking in my surroundings.

There's a lot more I can talk about and tear apart and just get off my mind. But I think I'll leave it at that.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Obviously, I'm hyperbolic-ally paraphrasing here, but she's clearly more moved by the presence of Sora in Blank Points than she was in 0.2.

Which does make perfect sense when taking into account that in Blank Points Ansem the Wise mentions that the worlds nearl fell to Darkness more than once (he doesn't say how often exactly) and then continues to say that this boy always comes in, Keyblade in Hand, to help out.
Note also that Aqua explicitly asks:

Keep the light safe? I've been away too long. Did something happen out there? Are the worlds in danger?

She's not aware of any danger to the worlds, so it is very reasonable to assume that she isn't talking about the events in and around KH 1 because with those she knew there was danger...she travelled some of the fallen worlds herself and this was also already shown in BBS FM in the secret episode, so any "contradiction" with Blank Points would already been there since then.

She is aghast at Ansem's statement of the "more than once"-fact and her not thinking immediately of Sora or Riku can be easily explained by her clinging to the faint hope that perhaps by then Terra finally managed to come out victorious in his struggle with Xehanort or that Ven either awakened by himself or someone other (i.e. Mickey) managed to awake him, a lingering desire that despite her still being stuck in the RoD somehow Terra or Ven got rescued/released in some other way and perhaps might eventually come for her.
This is further reinforced by her "Should've known" after Ansem denies it being either of those.

Furthemore, what I notice people here apparently overlooking is that Ansem does not stop at the mere "saving the worlds"-thingy in Blank Points but also goes further in explaining Sora's actual nature and the way he connects to so many hearts may be the key for rescue for many who are suffering, even him and even her.

In 0.2, in Aqua's eyes, Sora and/or Riku may be the current protectors of the worlds and help Mickey end the danger of more worlds falling, but at that time she has no idea about Sora actually having the power to save her, Terra and Ven and is the key to it. Heck, even Mickey didn't knew that before he saw those memories Data-Naminé found in Re: Coded. He was surprised that there is a direct connection between TAV and Sora and that's what led to the letter at the end of KH 2.

So in short, Aqua's reaction in Blank Points may be more moved and "intense" because she learns something that goes beyond the "Sora saves the worlds"-thing, something that goes deeper and more personal as in there being now explicit hope that she herself might be saved and finally Terra and Ven are rescued from their painful fates as well.

 

[kirabook]

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Yes, put in much better worlds than I could have expressed. Before and after this game, she already knew the worlds were in danger once, that's not a contradiction. We just didn't know or not whether she knew the cause or who saved it. This game says Mickey told her the gist of it and that he told her Riku and Sora were helping him.

From then on, she has NO idea what's going on in the Realm of Light. The Realm of Darkness probably doesn't have anymore fallen worlds. Aqua's just roaming around again with little to nothing going on except heartless. She'd have no clue of any of the dangerous stuff happening after KH1. To her knowledge, all is well again, worlds are secure, door locked, etc.

She could have come to the conclusion that Sora was a wielder, but she only just learns from Ansem that the worlds nearly fell 'more than once'. I understand her eagerness to jump to Ven or Terra, but I guess is a little questionable why she wouldn't then ask about Sora and Riku. I guess. (and I still think it'd be better if Mickey didn't mention them)

Her reaction in Blank Points wasn't necessarily about the trouble she caused. She actually still doesn't know her actions (saving Terranort) translated into this mess. She was reacting to the things she learned that Sora did, and that Sora would save her and her friends (again, the guy she didn't give the power when given the opportunity to, but somehow he got a keyblade anyway) Aqua wants to be helped, she wants to be saved and to get out of the dark realm. That was one of her deepest doubts and thoughts if we go by what Phantom Aqua said. (Which is why I really REALLY LIKE PHANTOM AQUA, WE GET TO HEAR HER INSECURITIES)

Her reaction is most certainly about Sora saving her and stuff, and that Sora was still saving the world, not just that one time.

 

[BlackOsprey]

Unlike some others here, I never had a huge thing for the Blank Points, so I'm not really angered by all of the contradictions, just sort of annoyed. They're continuity lapses and they don't make much logical sense. ... To be honest, after 0.2's final boss, everything felt like that. I mostly shrugged my shoulders and said "pfft ok so that happened" with every new development.

Honestly, I feel like we're trying way too hard to justify a huge oversight in the writing. This is like Venitas' blue eyes in the 0.2 opening: it's an error that has no deeper meaning or explanation aside from carelessness.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

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If you want to discuss errors, glitches, gameplay feedback, and so on, please use this the linked thread

 

[Grono]

Unlike some others here, I never had a huge thing for the Blank Points, so I'm not really angered by all of the contradictions, just sort of annoyed. They're continuity lapses and they don't make much logical sense. ... To be honest, after 0.2's final boss, everything felt like that. I mostly shrugged my shoulders and said "pfft ok so that happened" with every new development.

Honestly, I feel like we're trying way too hard to justify a huge oversight in the writing. This is like Venitas' blue eyes in the 0.2 opening: it's an error that has no deeper meaning or explanation aside from carelessness.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[VoidGear.]

I'm just pretty much underwhelmed by everything from the final boss on. It's not like I'm entirely pissed, but again we have so much potential here that wasn't used. Like Riku runming past Aqua and Mickey and seriously not noticing anything that happens around him? Or the thing with the KKD just lying there like HAH. The game is like 3 hours, couldn't they have done more at least with these points? I was also highly disappointed they didnt remake the short memory scenes of BBS Aqua had in Castle Town. It's not like they didn't have Ven and Terra models anyways.
Sure maybe that sounds like asking a lot for some 3 second backflashes, but I paid 60 bucks for half a movie, a remaster and an episode that was not only short but also not that thrilling or even helpful to the plot or anything.

 

[kirabook]

In other news, I think 0.2 is the size of one world and a revisit length wise. It'd be surprised if the entirety of one world visit is an hour and a half/two hours ore more.

Edit: And I also wonder what people expected of this game. It's just a piece of a cancelled game, only Aqua's part of it whereas the actually BbSv2 had much more. That game also wasn't going to advance the plot, it was basically Days, just trying to fill in some blanks in a slightly sloppy way.

While I was hoping and excited to see if Aqua would be saved in this game, I think Nomura already stated she wouldn't. I quickly gave up on that wish. There is no plot to advance since DDD is still technically the 'latest' game in the series, but they did throw in that ending cutscene to connect to KH3.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

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Yes, put in much better worlds than I could have expressed. Before and after this game, she already knew the worlds were in danger once, that's not a contradiction. We just didn't know or not whether she knew the cause or who saved it. This game says Mickey told her the gist of it and that he told her Riku and Sora were helping him.

From then on, she has NO idea what's going on in the Realm of Light. The Realm of Darkness probably doesn't have anymore fallen worlds. Aqua's just roaming around again with little to nothing going on except heartless. She'd have no clue of any of the dangerous stuff happening after KH1. To her knowledge, all is well again, worlds are secure, door locked, etc.

She could have come to the conclusion that Sora was a wielder, but she only just learns from Ansem that the worlds nearly fell 'more than once'. I understand her eagerness to jump to Ven or Terra, but I guess is a little questionable why she wouldn't then ask about Sora and Riku. I guess. (and I still think it'd be better if Mickey didn't mention them)

Her reaction in Blank Points wasn't necessarily about the trouble she caused. She actually still doesn't know her actions (saving Terranort) translated into this mess. She was reacting to the things she learned that Sora did, and that Sora would save her and her friends (again, the guy she didn't give the power when given the opportunity to, but somehow he got a keyblade anyway) Aqua wants to be helped, she wants to be saved and to get out of the dark realm. That was one of her deepest doubts and thoughts if we go by what Phantom Aqua said. (Which is why I really REALLY LIKE PHANTOM AQUA, WE GET TO HEAR HER INSECURITIES)

Her reaction is most certainly about Sora saving her and stuff, and that Sora was still saving the world, not just that one time.

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Fully correct, after both Mickey and the fallen worlds are gone Aqua has no more clue about what happens outside the RoD anymore so learning that more shit went down after all the stuff that we saw now in 0.2 would certainly take her by surprise.

Why does she need to "come to the conclusion"? I thought Mickey outright told her?
Even so, why should it matter in this moment to Aqua if Sora is a wielder or not? Like said, at that time she has no clue about Sora being "the saviour" or being more than "just any other wielder". It's only after Ansem clues her in on additional stuff that she realizes how important Sora really is and what a new chance there is.

Unlike some others here, I never had a huge thing for the Blank Points, so I'm not really angered by all of the contradictions, just sort of annoyed. They're continuity lapses and they don't make much logical sense. ... To be honest, after 0.2's final boss, everything felt like that. I mostly shrugged my shoulders and said "pfft ok so that happened" with every new development.

Honestly, I feel like we're trying way too hard to justify a huge oversight in the writing. This is like Venitas' blue eyes in the 0.2 opening: it's an error that has no deeper meaning or explanation aside from carelessness.

While Blank Points is undoubtly my favorite out of all the Secret endings, I do not think that it is as much of a huge deal as it is made out here since as you say, they're "lapses" not outright errors or contradictions.
My enjoyment of Blank Points is certainly NOT hampered by it.

I still remember the heated debates back in the day about BBS v2 and if Aqua and Mickey even should meet at all because it would throw up several possible plot problems and now look where we stand, lol.

It's almost the same as the cliché-plot point that they just had to have Sora arrive late enough that he misses a) several important points of exposition and background info and b) everyone else except Donald and Goofy.
I'm also pretty sure that they still haven't clued him in on the fact that he may personally carry multiple hearts.

 

[Werkdaddy]

Well, according to already established material behind these doors is usually the heart of the respective world located, and if we combine this with the information Nomura gave in the latest Famitsu-interview

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- So the box’s contents will be revealed in [KHIII]... By the way, in this world that can be considered to be during “the time period spoken about in fairytales”, what sort of position is the X-blade in?

Nomura: The Master knows about its existence. Using the X-blade as a model, he creates his own Keyblades. Well, by create I don’t mean that in the physical sense, such as forging and tempering them, I mean more along the lines of pulling one out from the depths of a heart.

we can deduce that The KKD was somehow created by/pulled from the depths of the heart of Destiny Islands and by extension this means the KK itself might have been too. That would explain why it was located behind the door and would also give further credence to the possible fact that Keyblades in general are created directly from hearts.

[FONT=&quot]This seriously made me mad. For 15 years I've always wanted the story of Mickey in the Rod and how he got the Kingdom Key D. This was a huge cop out. Mainly because we don't actually know how keyblades are created. We do know that keyblades from the RoL and RoD are created in the same way from Nomura mentioning it in an interview tears ago. However, we also know that on some level they are man made constructs from the files in one of the games (based I think). So the Kingdom Key D just appearing there because that's when Sora got his (Riku's) keyblade in the RoL doesn't quite make sense. I get and accept the connection Nomura is trying to make here, but by that logic every RoL keyblade has an exact counterpart in the RoD.[/FONT]

 

[Grono]

This seriously made me mad. For 15 years I've always wanted the story of Mickey in the Rod and how he got the Kingdom Key D. This was a huge cop out. Mainly because we don't actually know how keyblades are created. We do know that keyblades from the RoL and RoD are created in the same way from Nomura mentioning it in an interview tears ago. However, we also know that on some level they are man made constructs from the files in one of the games (based I think). So the Kingdom Key D just appearing there because that's when Sora got his (Riku's) keyblade in the RoL doesn't quite make sense. I get and accept the connection Nomura is trying to make here, but by that logic every RoL keyblade has an exact counterpart in the RoD.

Not sure if he meant exactly that, but I'd kill to see a deathly flaming version of Destiny's Embrace in the next game.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

This seriously made me mad. For 15 years I've always wanted the story of Mickey in the Rod and how he got the Kingdom Key D. This was a huge cop out. Mainly because we don't actually know how keyblades are created. We do know that keyblades from the RoL and RoD are created in the same way from Nomura mentioning it in an interview tears ago. However, we also know that on some level they are man made constructs from the files in one of the games (based I think). So the Kingdom Key D just appearing there because that's when Sora got his (Riku's) keyblade in the RoL doesn't quite make sense. I get and accept the connection Nomura is trying to make here, but by that logic every RoL keyblade has an exact counterpart in the RoD.

We may not know any specifics on how Keyblades are created, but the implications that they can simply be created/pulled from within a heart are steadily getting more ground with the latest developments.
Worlds have hearts too so the KKD being created/pulled from DI's heart is certainly possible.

There is actually only one Keyblade that isn't "man-made" to some degree and that is the original thing and model for all the others, the X-blade (as in Chi-Blade).

And every RoL-Keyblade having an exact counterpart in the RoD is problematic exactly how?
I don't recall it ever being officially stated in-universe or in meta-material that there exists only one Keyblade that has a counterpart in the RoD.
In order to close the Door to Darkness the only important thing is that a matching pair is used.

 

[Grono]

We may not know any specifics on how Keyblades are created, but the implications that they can simply be created/pulled from within a heart are steadily getting more ground with the latest developments.
Worlds have hearts too so the KKD being created/pulled from DI's heart is certainly possible.

There is actually only one Keyblade that isn't "man-made" to some degree and that is the original thing and model for all the others, the X-blade (as in Chi-Blade).

And every RoL-Keyblade having an exact counterpart in the RoD is problematic exactly how?
I don't recall it ever being officially stated in-universe or in meta-material that there exists only one Keyblade that has a counterpart in the RoD.
In order to close the Door to Darkness the only important thing is that a matching pair is used.

I trust that you have a good source for this, but since when did the pair have to be "matching"? I thought it was simply one of light and one of darkness?

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I trust that you have a good source for this, but since when did the pair have to be "matching"? I thought it was simply one of light and one of darkness?

Nah, I might have worded that somewhat weird. "Matching pair" in terms of one light and one dark-based blade was what I meant to say, lol. A pair of two dark blades or two light ones won't work.