[SPOILER] KH2.8 discussion

[Max]

Yeah, so 0.2 was awesome. Not sure that I want to jump in and knock out a bunch of objectives yet, but I enjoyed the main game a lot and what objectives I did do. Not looking forward to no damage boss fights, that's really the main thing warding me off.

As for Back Cover... It was alright. I was expecting more of a solid ending. I mean overall I enjoyed it, it answered some questions, but I felt that it ended so abruptly.

 

[Grono]

How does everyone feel about the graphics and the designs? I had to go through it a second time, but I really like most of the animating. I wasn't sure about Sora at first but after going through it he looks great.

My only problem with this part of the game is Mickey. Everytime I saw his face from the front I couldn't enjoy it. Is there anyone that is actually okay with Mickey's model?

OMG, everyone freaked out about how good Mickey looked! Thank god someone sees the same thing I see when they look at Mickey! Finally, someone who thought that Mickey's model was bad! (but, yes, I agree, he looked like he had a bumpy dinner plate for skin instead of real fleshy material)

 

[BlackOsprey]

Is there anyone that is actually okay with Mickey's model?

*weakly raises hand*

That might not mean much coming from me, I've never had high standards to begin with.

 

[Chuman]

*weakly raises hand*

That might not mean much coming from me, I've never had high standards to begin with.

Mickey looks fantastic in 0.2, especially compared to the regular games

 

[kirabook]

He looks fine, but I do remember commenting that Mickey's skin looked like a cloth doll

 

[Grizzly]

I love how Mickey looks as well. I think the strength of the character design is in the Disney characters rather than the original characters.

 

[KingdomKey]

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I finished 0.2 and watched Back Cover.

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0.2

It was fun for what it was worth. I liked the gameplay and graphics a lot. I'll admit, I'm kind of a bit tired of how big open areas can be because, it's a lot to cover and search for treasure chests and gears. Don't get me wrong, I love everything they did. I just wish there were more heartless roaming about instead of appearing in small segments to make it feel worth being in? I don't know if that makes sense. It's like you run through it and there's not a lot to do, except for the Enchanted Dominion and ect that come after the first world or so. (Yeah, yeah, grab your pitch forks.) Anyways, I really enjoyed fighting the Darkside the most when I got to that world. I won't deny I'm kind of disappointed that everything was more or less spoiled by either demos or the opening of 0.2. Not a whole lot to surprise us with except for perhaps the bit with the additional scenes after 0.2's ending. I also wish I could've had the chance to see how hard Demon Tide could've been without the patch but, it still took and required a few retries for me to defeat it. Everything else felt easy to me on Proud Mode. (I'll be on Critical Mode next. Hopefully it'll be more challenging.) However, the gameplay took time to adjust to, but it was still a lot of fun. As for the story, despite what I've read from other members it seems to have some contradictions. Although, I liked Aqua meeting up with Terra briefly, and Mickey. Those were the saving graces for me because, Aqua's inner monologue was a tad depressing and easy to tune out. (And I can tell Nomura was having a hard time with it as well.) On the other hand, the only time I felt emotional for Aqua was during her reunion with Mickey, and the bit with Destiny Island. Otherwise, it was an okay prologue. (Oh and Mickey looks fantastic.)

tldr - 0.2 was awesome, but it was an okay kind of game.

Now the additional stuff with Yen Sid, Riku, Mickey, and Kairi were great. Including the bits with Sora, Donald, and Goofy. BUT the amount of years it's taken for the voice actors to take their roles... namely Sora and Kairi, were a bit rough for me to listen to. I don't know if any one else felt the same way or not. I'll probably get used to their voices more when KHIII rolls around. (Of course, I knew their voices were going to change. xD) And the scenes with Sora, Donald, and Goofy were probably my favorite parts about the whole game. I'm definitely excited to see more of what KHIII will bring based on this episode as Nomura calls it. Plenty of hype for KHIII to say the least. <3

Back Cover

As someone who hasn't played KHX or KHUX, I liked what I learned. I thought the Master was hilarious, and absolutely the best part about Back Cover. I feel like this isn't the last we'll see of him or Luxu(?) I also feel confused. Wasn't Ava suppose to be the traitor behind everything? I thought that was talked about sometime last year? Anyhow, I'm interested with what's in the box. I find the keyblade being passed down interesting. Everything else was enjoyable for a movie recapping what's happened. I don't know how to feel about the way it ended, but then again, we more or less get the pictures based on how the opening started with the phone version of it. I have no complaints with it overall. Would've liked to known more about where the book of prophecy came from though.

All that's left for me to do is play KH3D and replay 0.2 on Critical mode. xD

 

[Grono]

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I finished 0.2 and watched Back Cover.

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0.2

It was fun for what it was worth. I liked the gameplay and graphics a lot. I'll admit, I'm kind of a bit tired of how big open areas can be because, it's a lot to cover and search for treasure chests and gears. Don't get me wrong, I love everything they did. I just wish there were more heartless roaming about instead of appearing in small segments to make it feel worth being in? I don't know if that makes sense. It's like you run through it and there's not a lot to do, except for the Enchanted Dominion and ect that come after the first world or so. (Yeah, yeah, grab your pitch forks.) Anyways, I really enjoyed fighting the Darkside the most when I got to that world. I won't deny I'm kind of disappointed that everything was more or less spoiled by either demos or the opening of 0.2. Not a whole lot to surprise us with except for perhaps the bit with the additional scenes after 0.2's ending. I also wish I could've had the chance to see how hard Demon Tide could've been without the patch but, it still took and required a few retries for me to defeat it. Everything else felt easy to me on Proud Mode. (I'll be on Critical Mode next. Hopefully it'll be more challenging.) However, the gameplay took time to adjust to, but it was still a lot of fun. As for the story, despite what I've read from other members it seems to have some contradictions. Although, I liked Aqua meeting up with Terra briefly, and Mickey. Those were the saving graces for me because, Aqua's inner monologue was a tad depressing and easy to tune out. (And I can tell Nomura was having a hard time with it as well.) On the other hand, the only time I felt emotional for Aqua was during her reunion with Mickey, and the bit with Destiny Island. Otherwise, it was an okay prologue. (Oh and Mickey looks fantastic.)

tldr - 0.2 was awesome, but it was an okay kind of game.

Now the additional stuff with Yen Sid, Riku, Mickey, and Kairi were great. Including the bits with Sora, Donald, and Goofy. BUT the amount of years it's taken for the voice actors to take their roles... namely Sora and Kairi, were a bit rough for me to listen to. I don't know if any one else felt the same way or not. I'll probably get used to their voices more when KHIII rolls around. (Of course, I knew their voices were going to change. xD) And the scenes with Sora, Donald, and Goofy were probably my favorite parts about the whole game. I'm definitely excited to see more of what KHIII will bring based on this episode as Nomura calls it. Plenty of hype for KHIII to say the least. <3

Back Cover

As someone who hasn't played KHX or KHUX, I liked what I learned. I thought the Master was hilarious, and absolutely the best part about Back Cover. I feel like this isn't the last we'll see of him or Luxu(?) I also feel confused. Wasn't Ava suppose to be the traitor behind everything? I thought that was talked about sometime last year? Anyhow, I'm interested with what's in the box. I find the keyblade being passed down interesting. Everything else was enjoyable for a movie recapping what's happened. I don't know how to feel about the way it ended, but then again, we more or less get the pictures based on how the opening started with the phone version of it. I have no complaints with it overall. Would've liked to known more about where the book of prophecy came from though.

All that's left for me to do is play KH3D and replay 0.2 on Critical mode. xD

While Luxu could reappear in the future, it's been confirmed by Nomura that the Master of Masters will not be in Kingdom Hearts III.

As for contradictions in 0.2, I found a couple as well:

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1. If Aqua is clearly filled in on how the realm of light is currently doing, and knows that Terra and Ventus aren't alive and well defending it (she even knows Sora and Riku are the ones saving it!), then why does she sound so shocked that the realm has almost fallen more than once, THEN sound so heartbroken when he didn't say Terra or Ventus (you could pass this off as wishful thinking, since he's been around an extra year after that), AND THEN get SOOOO teary eyed when he mentioned Sora? I'm sorry, but the way they re-introduced these concepts in 0.2 completely destroyed the point of Blank Points for me.

2. If, according to the Kingdom Hearts Concert, Namine was the one that told Terra to go and talk to Aqua and help guide her, then how was she alive back when he went and told Aqua that? He met up with her and had that choke-out with Terranort before the events of Kingdom Hearts happened, so Namine wouldn't have even been alive then. Unless Nomura didn't intend for this scene to be fully canon, and that's why he didn't include it in the game? I don't think he thought that through is all I'm saying.

3. This has been a problem since the original game. I'm going to list off a ton of unanswered questions right to you that haven't been answered in any game yet, so hear me out: how did Mickey know Sora and Riku to begin with before they began traveling? How did Mickey know who Sora was, THEN how did he find access to his Dive to the Heart to speak to him, AND how did he know he'd be a keyblade wielder if he never went through any initiation ceremony and he simply borrowed a keyblade from Riku accidentally later? It's already known that Sora wasn't chosen by anything, and that he's remarkable in how unremarkable he is, so how would Mickey have known that he'd get his hands on one, especially when the way Sora had to get his hands on the keyblade was completely and utterly by chance? How did Mickey get to know who Riku was, then know he'd end up in the realm of darkness, THEN know he'd help him close the door? How did Mickey know Sora was going to go through the same mental process as Mickey as to decide that the only way to save everything was to get to the door and lock it? Why COULDN'T Mickey have Aqua close the door? I know later she got stuck behind the door, so she couldn't be there obviously, but why did Mickey reject her offer entirely when it looks like Mickey hasn't even MET UP with Riku yet? Also, what's this weird telekinesis thing Mickey established from Kingdom Hearts I where he can talk to people from long distances? When would he have talked to Riku prior to meeting up with Aqua? God, I didn't notice until 0.2 how many questions this entire situation brings up and never decides to answer. #videogamelogic at its finest, Square.

 

[kirabook]

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I really don't think Aqua knowing about what happened the first time in the dark realm is a contradiction. Wouldn't she be surprised if she heard the worlds fell more than once? She only knows of 1 time. Last she knew, Mickey, Sora, and Riku restored the worlds and all was well again in the Realm of Light. Only problem was that she was stuck there, Ven was still sleeping, and Terra was missing but definitely still fighting.

I think it's reasonable for her to be hopeful for Terra and Ven, only to get disappointed.

That said, one would assume she'd guess it was Sora or Riku who saved the world again maybe? But would she think Sora was the one that was gonna fix all of Ansem's mistakes or use the data he hid inside him and all that jazz? Did she really expect the boy this stranger was talking about to be Sora?

Anyway. It would have been better if Mickey never mentioned Sora and Riku by name or knew that they were from Destiny Islands. That'd keep it ambiguous enough for Aqua to definitely not have a clue who helped save the world.

But Blank Points still hits hard for me. To me, it seems like Aqua may have been giving up again and hearing that Sora saved the world not only once, but twice AND he's gonna save her and her best friends.... that stuff was not contradicted at all

 

[Blackdrazon]

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@gronodonthegreat

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While I'm fully prepared for Mickey knowing Sora and Riku's actions to just be sub-par writing and I even agree with you that it's the most likely possibility, his phrasing is suspect to me: he seems to be responding to the specific wording of a prophecy. I want to bring up an old theory from the KHX Browser days, which is that Yen Sid may be in possession of one of the Foretellers' books of prophecy - specifically, the book we saw at the outset of KH2. Other people independently suspected that Mickey might have access to such a book for KHX-related reasons, which I won't get into because they're kind of time consuming and partially displaced by newer information, but aren't necessarily out of the question. Long story short, Ears seems to know Riku is coming with an awful lot of precision, so KHUX or KH3 might yet give us an explanation.

 

[Hirokey123]

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While it's never been explained how Mickey first learned of Sora and Riku, I think the rest of that was pretty much covered. Mickey had been trying to contact Riku for awhile before he ran into Aqua. I can only imagine that Mickey tried to contact Riku telepathically one more time right when he grabbed the keyblade, and that's when he got through. Since it's telepathic we can't hear it but I figure he contacted Riku then because that explains his answer that the job was taken, because he would have literally given it to Riku seconds ago. Shutting down Aqua seems a bit mean I guess but the instructions do say two hearts not 3 so extra hearts won't really do any good. Everyone had their own role to play.

Sora closed and locked the door in the light, Riku closed the door in the dark, Mickey locked the door in the dark, and Aqua protected Riku who had suddenly turned completely deaf to the roar of shadowy pillar and the girl yelling 3 feet above him.

 

[hemmoheikkinen]

I'll hate myself for saying this but I'll try the game on critical tomorrow to check what exactly they have fixed. I'll regret this so much.

I did a Critical run yesterday and it was not that bad in my opinion. I haven`t tried it before the new patch was launched, but at it`s current form it reminded a lot of KH2FM`s critical mode. Enemies do a ton of damage to you, but you`r damage output is pretty big too.
I even enjoyed fighting the last boss more this time trough. I got better at dodging it`s moves in the first phase, but the second phase is still annoying. I had saved all of my items for that part, so I just did the last phase by using shotlock.

Now I only need to get two objectives and I have them all: Perform Spell Weaver while fighting Mirror!Aqua and beating Devil`s Tower with Spell weaver. Then I`ll do the no continue run with beginner. I might try the Zodica mirror challenge on Critical sometime too.

 

[Rix]

So I finished 0.2 and back cover yesterday and can safelybtrturnnto the forums without getting spoiled xD Gonna quickly shate my opinion about it.

To add some more buffer, I'm gonna say that I was fine with Mickeys model. I thought it looked weird in the scans before playing the game, butvitvlooked fine in the actual game to me. And so

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The game was visually beautiful to look at and I loved most of it. I knew it would be short, but I wish it was just a couple of hours longer. I spent about 3 hours finishing it. I'm gonna go back to complete objectives and find all the treasure chests later. I got only 49% chests, and I thought I explored everything well, but apparantly not xD
I was also a little bummed that the final boss wasn't more epic. I liked the final boss, but it didn't really feel like a final boss to me. I expected something more after that boss, but the credits rolled all of a sudden. Well... It's just a short game/demo after all, so maybe my expactations were to high xD The story was also okay. I wish I didn't watch the trailers though. They pretty much revealed everything in the game.

As for back cover, I did really like it, but it ended too abrubtly and raised a lot of questions. I'm very eager to know more about what happens next! What I loved about it was that we got to know the foretellers better, and I just wanted to see more of them after watching back cover. Oh and the Master? He might be the funniest KH character ever xD I loved him!

So all on all, I did really enjoy both 0.2 and back cover. Could have been better/longer, but it was still pretty solid.

 

[Muke]

Ah, I knew I wanted to talk about something.
What do you guys think about the KKD being behind the door on Destiny Inslands? I was honestly disappointed because I thought something incredible would be in there (I always thought there would be an entrance to another world xD)

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Ah, I knew I wanted to talk about something.
What do you guys think about the KKD being behind the door on Destiny Inslands? I was honestly disappointed because I thought something incredible would be in there (I always thought there would be an entrance to another world xD)

Well, according to already established material behind these doors is usually the heart of the respective world located, and if we combine this with the information Nomura gave in the latest Famitsu-interview

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- So the box’s contents will be revealed in [KHIII]... By the way, in this world that can be considered to be during “the time period spoken about in fairytales”, what sort of position is the X-blade in?

Nomura: The Master knows about its existence. Using the X-blade as a model, he creates his own Keyblades. Well, by create I don’t mean that in the physical sense, such as forging and tempering them, I mean more along the lines of pulling one out from the depths of a heart.

we can deduce that The KKD was somehow created by/pulled from the depths of the heart of Destiny Islands and by extension this means the KK itself might have been too. That would explain why it was located behind the door and would also give further credence to the possible fact that Keyblades in general are created directly from hearts.

 

[Rix]

Ah, I knew I wanted to talk about something.
What do you guys think about the KKD being behind the door on Destiny Inslands? I was honestly disappointed because I thought something incredible would be in there (I always thought there would be an entrance to another world xD)

Well. I don't know to say if I was disapointed, but I was more like

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Oh, so that's what was hiding behond that door all along... meh. Let's move on with the story.

So I had a more of a meh reaction to it xD

 

[Muke]

@Sephy, oh, thanks for pointing all of that out!
But I still felt a bit disappointed... I think I just expected a little bit more.
@Rix, my reaction was "Meh."-ish as well. xD

I still would like to know HOW Mickey knew the KKD would be there. Like, he wasn't even surprised in the lightest xD

 

[BlackOsprey]

@Sephy, oh, thanks for pointing all of that out!
But I still felt a bit disappointed... I think I just expected a little bit more.
@Rix, my reaction was "Meh."-ish as well. xD

I still would like to know HOW Mickey knew the KKD would be there. Like, he wasn't even surprised in the lightest xD

tbh I just started cracking up because that plot point was the most random contrivance I've seen in a while.

 

[Muke]

tbh I just started cracking up because that plot point was the most random contrivance I've seen in a while.

Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous imo ^^

Also, I changed the name of my Meow Wow to Miauz <333

 

[Grono]

tbh I just started cracking up because that plot point was the most random contrivance I've seen in a while.

Speaking of contrivances, I lost my shit when Mickey just got hit by that swarm and lost his clothes xD The way they decided to wrap up that entire story with Aqua just randomly bodysurfing heartless back into the dark world was great too xD