Hikari44 said:
Guess what. FFIX was a PSone game. 0 sn4pz!1!shift1
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Guess what. FFIX was a PSone game. 0 sn4pz!1!shift1
what the hell difference does it make? And monkeybutt, CLOUD WAS A CLONE WHO WAS BEING MANIPULATED BY SEPHIROTH... AND one of his best friends was murdered in front of his eyes....AND the world is being destroyed by an evil corporation that he's desperately trying to stop, but there's only so much one man can do. I hardly think you would be a joy to be around if you had all that shit going down in your life. Why is everyone so goddam hard on Cloud?! geez... Also, I am aboslutely sick of people calling tifa an anorexic slut...because, I have a question for you - is it HER fault if she has gigantic boobs?!!!! honestly, there's nothing she can do about it. And besides, how the hell is she a "plastic doll?" did you even bother listening to the conversations she had with the various characters, especially cloud? besides, garnet isn't exactly the strongest or most interesting main female lead....she kind of sucks, actually. At one point in the game, she ACTUALLY doesn't follow your commands in battles and "forgets to concentrate" because she's so distraught about alexandria - who's emo and useless now?
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Hikari44 said:
Wow...she's useless during a fraction of the game, as opposed to Tifa, who has less personality for the entire game than what I leave in toilet. Perhaps if she actually had some time for genuine character development and more than some vague hint of a backstory, then people might like her a little more.
Square Ninja said:
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Square Ninja said:
They develop her personality plenty. They go into her and Cloud and their hometown and how Sephiroth destroyed it and all. There's not THAT much backstory for the ff9 characters either - each one has, like, a town on the map and a basic reason they hate Kuja/Brahne. Same as the ff7 characters - each one has a town, and a reason to hate sephiroth. that's usually all that characters get backstory-wise, so you can't really rag on ff7 for that.
Has this become that bash FF7 thread? I think so...
Yeah, Garnet wasn't all that great. She was weak in battle; Eiko was better. And she almost never did anything useful; always running around and getting captured... having the eidolons sucked out of her and such.
The summonings in FFIX weren't even useful; there were so many stronger attacks to be used. I still like the overall battle system of FFIX better, though, simply because it's more polished and solid. But one thing that really ticked me off is when you fought those effing Yans on that island in the center of the map. They would snort at you and blow one of your characters away, and there was nothing you could do about it. Then you'd have one character left, and they'd give you a virus or do way too much damage with the spell comet.
Also, why did Steiner's ability called Thunder Slash (I think that was the name) always miss? Never once did I hit an enemy with that attack...
Yeah, Garnet wasn't all that great. She was weak in battle; Eiko was better. And she almost never did anything useful; always running around and getting captured... having the eidolons sucked out of her and such.
The summonings in FFIX weren't even useful; there were so many stronger attacks to be used. I still like the overall battle system of FFIX better, though, simply because it's more polished and solid. But one thing that really ticked me off is when you fought those effing Yans on that island in the center of the map. They would snort at you and blow one of your characters away, and there was nothing you could do about it. Then you'd have one character left, and they'd give you a virus or do way too much damage with the spell comet.
Also, why did Steiner's ability called Thunder Slash (I think that was the name) always miss? Never once did I hit an enemy with that attack...
KingM911 said:
oh yeah! i totally forgot about that but its so true. She never was a very good character to have in battle, but she was always getting captured too! I don't remember Tifa getting captured at all in ff7...and if she did it was certainly less than garnet did.
And garnet's eidolons sucked too.
Wrong. Cloud was a real person, whom Hojo experimented on by injecting Jenova Cells into him in order to test his strength and to see if he was worthy of being in SOLDIER, which he was not. Thus, Cloud fails. Oh, and the whole "Strong enemy manipulates crappy hero" has been done before. It's called FFIV.
Garnet gets captured because she is useful. She has skills that the enemy wants, so they kidnap her. Tifa, she's useless, so Shin-Ra and Sephiroth leave her alone. She's good for nothing.
There are such things as boob-reductions. Or she could wear baggier clothing. Or just not show them off everywhere she goes...either or.
Now let's get back to the greatness of FFIX, and leave that poor excuse of FFVII alone.
iamhappy said:
Even if that were true, you do realize Zidane was in a similar situation being created to destroy and all. But guess what? He was one of the happiest, fun, easy going leads out there. If I recall, he told Garnet part of his story on a boat when they were at Maiden Sari, and despite the fact that it was a sad tale, he used it to push himself, unlike cloud..
"LOK AT ME IM A DEPREZED EMO WIT A BIG DI--SWORD! LOL"
leikomfgztifaishawt said:
Why is she a doll? Hmm..
Tifa: Umm..cloud...
Cloud: .....
Tifa: I just wanted to tell you Cloud, that I CARE. Ok? I REALLY care. I want to help you.
Cloud: ......
Tifa: I am indeed a poor excuse for a female lead, only added to the cast so you had a female support, and to create a love triangle that will cause uneeded sequals and prequals to come. Do you not undertstand Cloud?
Cloud: SHH!1 I MUSTS TAB SEPH!1
And all the conversations ended up the same way. Her love for Cloud was overshadowed by the fact that Cloud could care less about her. He was more concentrated on chasing seph the entire time, and this is why when you type "Cloud X Sephiroth Yaoi" into google, you get more porn then when you type "Cloud X Tifa". =D
i<3cloudsbigsword said:
Compare:
Tifa: No story at all other then the fact that she is Cloud's childhood friend. For 95% of the game she has no goals of her own but to mindlessly follow Cloud around, hoping to turn him on by her balloons, and eventually getting some action. Too bad Cloud is a homosexual emo. x_o
Garnet: Princess of Alexandrea. She was born at a faraway land, as one of the world's few remaining summoners. She is torn between her Kingdom, and her mothers greed. SHe decided to get kidnapped by thieves in an effort to speak with her uncle in a nearby kingdom, but is entabgled in a quest not only to save her kingdom but her own.
Yes, Tifa wants to save the world to, but not for her own goals. Garnet has her own perspectives, opionions, and views on the story. And she isnt a 5 cent Midgar Honey Bee Inn slut.
yaaaright said:
Look at each of the FF9's casts "virtue"s. You will realize they each differ, and many of them had goals beyond "catcingsephlol".
Cloud: IDUNNOWHOIAM I have all the characteristics of an emo child, and will go to the end of the world, eventually driving my friends and myself insane, untill I can find this villian I know absolutely nothing about.
Tifa: I wanted to save the world at first. Then I met the whore Aeris, since then I've been attatched to make sure Cloud love's me and only me. Too bad he ignores me.
Aeris: I'm the biggest dumbarshe in the world, because even when my friends told me to not fight alone, I decide to go anyway, because everyone knows I'm a big girl. And guess what? I DIE! I make Yuna look like a warrior.
Barret: I'm your everyday black guy. I hate rich white people and cuss alot. I cant pay for my child, and I lost my wife because it just blends into my black guy story. I cuss alot for no apparent reason. I have a gun because all black people have guns.
Yuffie: I join the group for absolutely no reason at all. I guess its because I'm a lying cheating thief. Half way through the story I'm hardly even mentioned, because I'm a useless ninja. I eventually get what I want, and Cloud and Co. are dumb enough to keep me in the group.
Red 13: Past my dillemma with my parents, I have absolutely no story at all. Half way through the game I get about 3 lines, and have no connections with any of the characters. Woof woof!
Caith Sith: I'm such an underdeveloped character that I just walk up to the group, have a 5 minute conversation with them, and they let me join their possy. Too bad I was spying on them, and they forgive me, JUST LIKE THAT. MEOW!
Vincent: I have a lack of emotion and everyone seems to love me. I have less lines then some NPC's and I'm not even important. I am so underdeveloped they have to make a sequal just so I can get some action.
Cid: I beat my wife, and will probably beat my kids. I smoke alot, and am obsessed with planes. For most of the game I have no story use other then the fact that I drive your plane. For the first half of the game I am kickarshe, but I suddenly have a random revaltion, and in a snap my character suddenly changed to a goody too shoes. After that I once again become practically useless.
Sephiroth: 90% of the fans who like me dont even know my story correctly. I am such a pansy villian in fact, that I cry over my mother for half the game. EVerything evil in this game isnt even done by me, but my mother. Yup, i'm a momma's boy. Its ok though, I have a big sword. I also have a secret love affair with cloud.
dundundun said:
Yes, we all love being overlevelled and dealing instant amounts of 9,999 with every summon we have. We also love having the ability for each of our characters to be the EXACT same MATERIA whores. =D
BTW, that island is for GOOD levels anyway. If you cant beat those things then you should train elsewhere. That is totally your problem, and not the games.
Thunder slash has never missed with me. =D
i lost respect in you said:
Ha. That doesnt even take away from a character's greatness. I used Garnet in one file, and Eiko in another, both were unique and really helped the party. I wont even argue on the kidnapped bit, because it just shows how level headed you are. How does being kidnapped take away from the character? She is kidnapped because she has relations with people. Unlike Tifa who has no opinions about anyone else but Cloud.
monkeybutt said:
.....how dare you
shortythugsta and hikari44 im with you both all of the way
He does beat his wife. He does smoke. He does have no use in the story. He couldv'e been taken out and the actual story would be the same. And the opinion against mines is coming from someone named after the subject?
monkeybutt said:
Exactly...the pro-Cid comment is coming for the person named after Cid, obivously. Duuhhhh...
honestly monkeybutt you are just a mindless cloud-hater and ff7-basher. All your arguments against the characters of ff 7 are just quotes you made up like "oooh look at me im so and so and i lack this and that and blah blah blah..." but those aren't valid arguments at all. You provide no examples from the game or anything substantial whatsoever to argue with, and this is why i do not take your opinion seriously whatsoever. At least the other people had SOME form of example to hold up their case. quite honestly I laugh at your ff9-worshipping, ff7-hating self because you are pretty incompotent at making other people see your opinion seriously.
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Hikari44 said:
He is right, you know. FFVII does not match up to FFIX. The difference between the two is that FFIX is the most underrated, and FFVII is the most overrated. FFVII's graphics were horrible, the tunes were repetitive and irritating, not very catchy. Different location music wasn't as great as the music of FFIX. There were some good songs: ie: Aerith's theme, Tifa's theme, Jenova. One Winged Angel was okay, but it was a futile attempt to actually make Sephiroth look scary. All the location music from FFIX was much smoother and had better tunes. As for the battle system, no one in FFVII was unique, because none of them had their own special class (ie: black mage, white mage, fighter) You could make Yuffie the fighter and Cloud the White Mage if you wanted, or Mix n Match, which is a downfall in the characters. It's like making Yuna a fighter in FFX, it shouldn't work that way. As for character design, FFVII wins. I personally like FFIX's character designs, but FFVII wins here, the characters were designed better. As for FMVs, FFVII had some okay ones, but they were nowhere compared to the FMVs of FFIX. FFIX has the best FMVs of the series, aside from FFX. That includes the opening and ending. The opening of FFVII was the worst in all FFs that I've played, as well as the ending. The ending FMV didn't even include Vincent or Yuffie (additional characters), and it didn't tell very much in the ending FMV. The storyline, IMO was much better in FFIX. Cloud's confabulation is interesting (to an extent) but not 'touching' like FFIX's storyline was. The characters of FFVII didn't have the well development that the characters of FFIX had. In FFVII, you didn't even have to use all of the characters, most of them were useless and half of them had no importance to the storyline whatsoever.
Overall: FFIX wins.
MegaFlare said:
For the time period, the graphics in ffVII were AMAZING!!!!!! The last final fantasy game before 7 was 6, which was an snes game with the little pixellated characters that are a centimeter tall, remember? To actually have FMV's at all was a huge deal back then, and to have characters whose faces aren't indistinguishable (yes, the faces in 7 were a bit blocky, but still an amazing improvement for the time period) was as well.
"As for the battle system, no one in FFVII was unique, because none of them had their own special class (ie: black mage, white mage, fighter) You could make Yuffie the fighter and Cloud the White Mage if you wanted, or Mix n Match"
The battle system depends on personal preference, though. Some people like having a pre-set job for each character and others like to make their own characters' strengths and weaknesses for each one. It's not necessarily a worse battle system that 9's, just a differently structured one.
"As for character design, FFVII wins."
Definetely
"As for FMVs, FFVII had some okay ones, but they were nowhere compared to the FMVs of FFIX. The opening of FFVII was the worst in all FFs that I've played, as well as the ending."
Once again, you need to consider the technology back then. It's an apples-oranges comparison to compare 9 and 7 graphics-wise because back when 7 was made they didn't have the means to make FMV's like in 9.
"The storyline, IMO was much better in FFIX. Cloud's confabulation is interesting (to an extent) but not 'touching' like FFIX's storyline was. The characters of FFVII didn't have the well development that the characters of FFIX had. In FFVII, you didn't even have to use all of the characters, most of them were useless and half of them had no importance to the storyline whatsoever. "
I happen to like 7 better, but again, that just depends on the person playing.
Hikari44 said:
Why dont you look under the funny jokes. I try to keep humor within threads, sue me if its so horrible. If you look at the jokes you'll unerstand exactly what I mean. you cant just nul my arguments because you dont take them seriously. NONE of the characters past Cloud is developed as much as they should be, and Cloud's story is just that of an emo child. Sephiroth isnt even powerful, his mother did all that. The music is repetitive, with a few good tracks. The begining and ending are rushed, segments of the game have been left out, and thats just the begining of my complaints. If you actually took my post seriously despite its hoards of jokes, you will see there is a reason to the jokes themselves.
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Regardless of personal preference, it's not right to be able to make Yuffie a fighter (take for example, Yuna, if you must) people who physically and mentally wouldn't be capable of the skills they can do. It's a downfall.Hikari44 said:
Even with the graphics of FFXII, FFVII's FMVs would still be the worst because of the scenes they consisted of. Poor direction and dull scenes. This has nothing to do with the graphics of the FMVs, this is what the consist of. FFVII's were disappointing, especially the opening and ending.
MegaFlare said:
what? what do you mean "physically and mentally wouldn't be capable of the skills..."? You mean, like, in real life? This is a video game - it's all very unrealistic lol
besides, i thought the title of this thread was "Final Fantasy IX" not "Final Fantasy IX VS. Final Fantasy VII"
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Hikari44 said:
o rly? Didn't you bash me for using this very arguement in the other thread in which had a similar debate? Apparently, you're awfully selective when it comes to this arguement.
I can live with Limit Breaks, magic, physics defying leaps, soldiers that shoot like Stormtroopers, bullets that only kill when used as a plot device, meteors summoned to hurtle towards the planet, humongous snakes, gun arms, shapeshifting, and giant birds; however, I can't stand seeing a little girly man easily wielding a sword larger than he.
Square Ninja said:
What are you talking about? I said before when you were blaming cloud for not saving aeris (if thats what you're talking about) that this was a video game and that it is indeed unrealistic at many times in the game but they chose not to make it unrealistic at that one point. I said the same thing here - that games are usually unrealistic.
Master T said:
what case??? im confused...........
shortythugsta said:
I think it's pretty much settlted which side won the argument. ~_~