Drugs

[Darkly Aesthetic]

I'm cool with doing any kind of drug EXEPT the needle ones.
I'm not touching those.

Also, just stay at home and chill while doing them, not go out driving or something.

 

[Miss Murder]

The only problem I have with LSD, Shrooms, etc. is that I've heard tell of them being possible causes for insanity, mostly because the hallucinations can supposedly be horrible. :/

I can't really validate this, though. Enlighten me?

I'm pretty cool with anything except for them right now. They sound awesome except for that insane bit.

 

[Nyangoro]

But I mean, why are they bad? Physically, something like weed only affects your lungs, and yeah, that's bad for you in the long run, i understand.

But there's nothing else bad about it. I understand other things, but if you act responsible, take tolerance breaks, don't try to do it to fit in, and just do it as you would play sports, what's the big deal?

Even things like LSD, and Shrooms, and DMT (as I'm very interested in psychedelic drugs, hence why i bring these up in particular), aren't as harmful as people make them out to be. hell, DMT is used naturally, in your sleep, for your dreams (well, we believe it to be used for that).

I mean, the McDonalds I eat is worse for me than smoking a joint, and it sure as hell makes me feel different, in the same way physical exercise may make you feel different.

Well, even with tolerance breaks, you could still become addicted to smoking. People often go into it thinking, "I'm not going to become addicted to this!", then years later, they are diagnosed with lung cancer. Addiction can, and often does, happen unexpectedly.

I understand what you're saying about the hallucinogens, but that isn't the reality of it. Fact is, that people do those drugs specifically for that "rush" that they get when they take it (yes, this applies to those who do it because of life problems, because they want to use that "rush" to escape what's happening). Problem is, after they get that first rush, they want to take it again. The next time, however, it isn't the same as the first time, so they increase the dosage, and it escalates beyond their control.

Also, you have to remember that just because one person didn't happen to get addicted to it doesn't mean another won't. For some people, it just takes longer than others. For example, some can drink two or three beers before feeling the effects, where another one might be "out like a light" from one shot.

Now, I can understand that people want an escape for their problems. Sometimes, it's good to take a break from it all. However, you can't honestly say that the best way is to get stoned. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve damaging your brain. You could take a cruise, go to another country for vacation, take a short nap when you have some free time, you could even buy a pair of Bose headphones and turn on the noise reduction feature (maybe with some soothing music playing as well).

The only problem I have with LSD, Shrooms, etc. is that I've heard tell of them being possible causes for insanity, mostly because the hallucinations can supposedly be horrible. :/

I can't really validate this, though. Enlighten me?

I'm pretty cool with anything except for them right now. They sound awesome except for that insane bit.

Well, they are called hallucinogens for a reason, lol. Seriously, they wreak havoc inside your psyche. My dad's friend took some LCD while they were driving down the road (my dad wasn't with them, his friend told him), and the next thing they knew, they were standing in the middle of a field! They had left the car on the side of the road, and wandered around without even remembering anything!

Not only that, but those are the kinds of drugs where people think they are having conversations with people (or things) that shouldn't be there.

 

[The Lionheart]

But I mean, why are they bad? Physically, something like weed only affects your lungs, and yeah, that's bad for you in the long run, i understand.

But there's nothing else bad about it. I understand other things, but if you act responsible, take tolerance breaks, don't try to do it to fit in, and just do it as you would play sports, what's the big deal?

Even things like LSD, and Shrooms, and DMT (as I'm very interested in psychedelic drugs, hence why i bring these up in particular), aren't as harmful as people make them out to be. hell, DMT is used naturally, in your sleep, for your dreams (well, we believe it to be used for that).

I mean, the McDonalds I eat is worse for me than smoking a joint, and it sure as hell makes me feel different, in the same way physical exercise may make you feel different.

lol time. you've got your views, and i've got mine.

the real question is: why even take drugs? i'm sure you can do other things that will make you feel good. and if you take drugs to get away from problems, those problems will still be there when you come crashing back down to earth.

i really don't know WHY you shouldn't take drugs, other than the fact that it's expensive, harmful to yourself, and a waste of time.

but, if you don't view drugs as any of the above things, then i'm not going to be able to suade you away from them.

i just know some people who have ruined their lives because of drugs, and i really wouldn't want the same to happen to anyone here at KHI.

 

[JuttingRock]

ecstasy can knock you out easily. it's called a "date rape" drug for a reason. ecstasy is very dangerous.

Ecstasy is an amphetamine, not a depressant which is the primary characteristic of a date rape drug.

 

[The Lionheart]

Ecstasy is an amphetamine, not a depressant which is the primary characteristic of a date rape drug.

sorry about that. i get some drugs confused sometimes

MDMA can be dangerous in high doses. It can cause a noticeable increase in body temperature (hyperthermia), which also has been associated with dehydration. Hyperthermia can lead to cardiovascular problems, seizures, liver failure, and muscle breakdown that can cause kidney failure. These have been reported in some fatal cases at raves.

MDMA has been shown to be neurotoxic (damage nerve tissue) in studies using animals. It's not yet known whether this drug is neurotoxic in humans. However, regular users of MDMA have demonstrated memory loss, and this may reflect damage to the neurons that release serotonin, which affects the ability to sleep and helps to regulate mood.

source.

 

[Johnny Stooge]

In high doses.
I don't know anyone that's taken any more than four pills in one night, and they've had no harmful experiances.

For some people, it just takes longer than others. For example, some can drink two or three beers before feeling the effects, where another one might be "out like a light" from one shot.

Bad example. Beer is generally low in alcohol content, most beers having about 7% percent alcohol. A shot may containt anywhere from 30% to 80% alcohol.

Obviously, you don't drink.

An uh, I've never seen anyone pass out from one shot. It honestly takes more than one to get to you.

Now, I can understand that people want an escape for their problems. Sometimes, it's good to take a break from it all. However, you can't honestly say that the best way is to get stoned. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve damaging your brain. You could take a cruise, go to another country for vacation, take a short nap when you have some free time, you could even buy a pair of Bose headphones and turn on the noise reduction feature (maybe with some soothing music playing as well).

Please don't tell me you're serious. You honestly believe that a cruise or a vacation in another country is better alternative than alcohol or drugs?
I've got $21 dollars for an 8-pack of Toohey's Platinums. I don't have $5000 for a vacation.
And while, sure, a cruise would be nice. But's much easier and more accesible to drink.


I like drinking. I enjoy it very much. At this point in time, though, I haven't taken any drugs, but I'm not opposed to anything. Smoking is not something for me, but that's because I find the whole thing filthy. It stinks, it tastes bad and I've hooked up with girls who have smoked. It's not very nice.

People focus on the negatives of drugs and alcohol. But they never focus on how much these negatives actually occur. I've never heard of someone encounter a problem with ecstasy, and I know a shit load of people who take it. I've never seen someone encounter alcohol addiction. And I've been drinking since I was 15. Life is made for living, so why not try a few things that enhance the experiance.

 

[SuperEclipse]

I've done alcohol once and only once, just because it bad me sick the first time. But I didn't have anything too eat all all before I tried, so that was probably the problem.. Though going too Lemon Miller light soon, so maybe that will be good.

Anyway, the only thing I wouldn't do crack, or any time of smoking..

Pills and soon alcohol. I swear, I went through all my life saying ''drugs are waste of time.'' But I so wish, I had some pills going in middle and high school, It would have made things easier and I would less problems then what I do now, lol..(and I don't think everyone will get this, but unless you went the same shit I went through in school, you wouldn't know))

 

[TheMuffinMan]

really, if you're gonna have the attitude that everything in this world is gonna kill you, i'm not going to be able to convince you that drugs are bad.

If you're going to have an attitude that "something will kill you sometime eventually one day I mean sorta kinda, jesus christ why am I so lonely", then yeah what are you gonna do when faced with the fact that everything kills you.

but just think how much time you waste being high.

Since when is being high, time wasted? It's fun, you're with friends, you feel good, it's a new experience, your perception of things is amplified, and you have discussions and thought provoking ideas.

and you need more to get the same high. it's bad for your wallet, your body, and your life in general. so why do it? cuz it makes you feel good.

Everything in life that you enjoy is bad for your wallet, that point is irrelevant, the reason we hand over cash for things is because we think that the alloted activity deserves our money.

go outside. play sports. hang out with friends.

They can be done outside, with friends, and while playing sports. That's like saying "Hey, I have a bike, so I should turn down the opportunity to go sky diving". You're not going to go sky diving every day of your life, and you're certainly not going to forego riding your Bike, but it's something to do on a whole nother level.

that's a lot more satisfactory than a short term high, that has a crash and makes you feel like crap.

You've obviously never done anything to denote proper knowledge/experience on the subject if you think doing some sports is about as enjoyable as life can get, and that seizing an opportunity to do something different is just insanity, I'm sure. And also, laughing at "crash" part, this isn't Power Thirst (also comes in "Manana" and "Gun"), sir.

sorry about that. i get some drugs confused sometimes

source.

"High Dosage" is considered over 1,000mg, which might I note, is dangerous to take of any medicinal substance on the entire planet. Any medicine prescribed to you by a doctor taken in "high doses" is going to mess your shit up, hence why people are able to commit suicide by popping an entire bottle of pills, but then you say to yourself "Yeah, but I mean come on, he took a whole damn bottle, so that shit isn't going to happen to me from normal doses". The average MDMA dose is 50mg in a pill, 200mg tops (which lasts like half you're effin day jesus christ holy shit this cake is delicious)

And, of course, like everything else there are just the well-known precautions, it's about as simple as "When you have a hangover eat a greasy breakfast, or be sure the night before to have a half-glass of water for every bottle of beer". Want to avoid dehydration? Drink some water.

It's sorta laughable that people use scare terms like "neurotoxins", things used to get substances past the blood:brain barrier, and "holy shit it releases serotonin", because most people don't know what neurotoxins or serotonin are or how often such things are utilized in perfectly legal things.

Neurotoxins used to penetrate the blood:brain barrier are used in head-ache medicines so that the substance reaches the brain to get rid of what ails you, the medicine essentially hitches a ride on the back of neurotoxins in order to reach your brain (also how anti-depressants work). Just to throw this in, the substance "Fluoride" that we pump into our water and use at the dentist and toothpastes to keep our teeth squeeky clean, yeah, Fluoride is a neurotoxin.

Oh, on that note, you know serotonin? That's the chemical released and regulated by the brain for happiness, as in, anti-depressants work by having you produce more serotonin to make you more upbeat. Yeah, MDMA is an anti-depressant, hence it's effects, and why the substance works the same exact way as them.

 

[SuperEclipse]

Being high take the worse feeling you are feeling and turn it into the best feeling..

I don't whats so bad about that.

 

[JuttingRock]

that's a lot more satisfactory than a short term high, that has a crash and makes you feel like crap.

Your lack of knowledge about the subject of drugs has astounded me so much that I can't believe I missed it earlier.

Marijuana causes immeasurable to no hangover effects at all. Alcohol can cause hangovers but the severity is determined by a number of factors.

 

[Trag]

I skated high once. Like gliding. Except, I looked like an idiot, cause I was having the most fun in the world, but i was going super slow.
The only downside about drugs I guess is that they can get expensive. Like, 20 bucks for good stuff.
Another high (no pun intended) note, I found these two things have come with my new hobby; A. I've met a lot of new people from this, and B. I find it easier to talk to the ladies after I've had a couple rips from my bubbler J R R Token. And the smell isn't that bad most of the time.

 

[Agent007]

It's just something I'd rather not associate myself with. Besides, I bet if can run ya a lot of mula.

 

[stephaknee]

The only problem I have with LSD, Shrooms, etc. is that I've heard tell of them being possible causes for insanity, mostly because the hallucinations can supposedly be horrible. :/

I can't really validate this, though. Enlighten me?

I'm pretty cool with anything except for them right now. They sound awesome except for that insane bit.

I've heard that it can temporarily put you in a state of psychosis and/or bring out disorders you've already shown symptoms for (ie: schizophrenia); bad trips tend to make it worse (along with flashbacks). Psychedelics are tricky because you have to be in the right state of mind and in the right place; if you're nervous about it, your chance of having a terrible experience really heightens.

 

[Constellations]

For the people who dislike the use of drugs, why do you dislike them overall?

every drug, no matter the size, can kill you or damage your body. i like living and i like my body being healthy and drug/alcohol free.

 

[SuperEclipse]

every drug, no matter the size, can kill you or damage your body. i like living and i like my body being healthy and drug/alcohol free.

I'm real healthy, so I don't really get that..

Also every drug? So when you are sick you don't take any kind of meds?

 

[Constellations]

I'm real healthy, so I don't really get that..

Also every drug? So when you are sick you don't take any kind of meds?

drugs can damage your body, so yeah they'll make you unhealthy

and i wasn't referring to those drugs. i meant like coke, meth, cigarettes, etc.

 

[Joy]

The only problem I have with LSD, Shrooms, etc. is that I've heard tell of them being possible causes for insanity, mostly because the hallucinations can supposedly be horrible. :/

I can't really validate this, though. Enlighten me?

I'm pretty cool with anything except for them right now. They sound awesome except for that insane bit.

Uh, you have to have a family history of psychosis in order to go insane, well, usually. The drugs would have just awakened it sooner than it would have normally.

Well, even with tolerance breaks, you could still become addicted to smoking. People often go into it thinking, "I'm not going to become addicted to this!", then years later, they are diagnosed with lung cancer. Addiction can, and often does, happen unexpectedly.

Actually, when it comes to marijuana, there have not been many cases of lung cancer in people who have been smoking for many years. I'll have to find the link for you.

I understand what you're saying about the hallucinogens, but that isn't the reality of it. Fact is, that people do those drugs specifically for that "rush" that they get when they take it (yes, this applies to those who do it because of life problems, because they want to use that "rush" to escape what's happening). Problem is, after they get that first rush, they want to take it again. The next time, however, it isn't the same as the first time, so they increase the dosage, and it escalates beyond their control.

Also, you have to remember that just because one person didn't happen to get addicted to it doesn't mean another won't. For some people, it just takes longer than others. For example, some can drink two or three beers before feeling the effects, where another one might be "out like a light" from one shot.

The drugs I've listed hold nothing to keep your body physically addicted, so if a person gets addicted, it is there fault, not the drugs. They weren't able to keep themselves under control, which was an underlying problem anyway, that was bound to show itself one way or another.

Now, I can understand that people want an escape for their problems. Sometimes, it's good to take a break from it all. However, you can't honestly say that the best way is to get stoned. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve damaging your brain. You could take a cruise, go to another country for vacation, take a short nap when you have some free time, you could even buy a pair of Bose headphones and turn on the noise reduction feature (maybe with some soothing music playing as well).

People like getting stoned to solve their problems because it relieves many of the stresses that cloud your mind when you're upset about something. I agree though, that it isn't the best alternative at all. There are many things that can help.

lol time. you've got your views, and i've got mine.

I know, and I'm trying to feel what your feeling about it, it's just difficult with what I know, ya know?

but, if you don't view drugs as any of the above things, then i'm not going to be able to suade you away from them.

i just know some people who have ruined their lives because of drugs, and i really wouldn't want the same to happen to anyone here at KHI.

Very respectable response, but I think you should educate yourself more on the effects of drugs on the body overall.

drugs can damage your body, so yeah they'll make you unhealthy

and i wasn't referring to those drugs. i meant like coke, meth, cigarettes, etc.

I understand drugs like that. (actually, i don't know the long term affects of these drugs, so i can't say), but even so, what about the things that are not physically addictive and have no worse affects to your body than a big mac and extra large fries?

 

[Johnny Stooge]

drugs can damage your body, so yeah they'll make you unhealthy

and i wasn't referring to those drugs. i meant like coke, meth, cigarettes, etc.

Unless you're in prisitine condition, and you're a top performance athlete, I hardly see why this should be of concern to you.

I doubt your diet reflects your attitude towards health.

 

[Constellations]

I understand drugs like that. (actually, i don't know the long term affects of these drugs, so i can't say), but even so, what about the things that are not physically addictive and have no worse affects to your body than a big mac and extra large fries?

those do harm you in other ways though. clotting arteries and stuff like that.

drugs can harm organs in your body.