Re: braig and xigbar might be two different persons?
And your ignoring DDD entirely. The main focus of DDD was Young Xehanort's time travel. His entire mission was to gather other versions of himself from throughout time.
But at the same time the only confirmed traveler is YX himself. This leaves open many, and to me personally, unwanted routes.
You could be seeing Xigbar from the past, you could be seeing replica technology, Braigs appearance could've been warped by Xehanort, etc. Your ignoring all of this in favor of a simpler answer when Nomura hardly, if not never, gives simple answers for this series in favor of his "surprising" convoluted ideas.
Then in 2.5 you have the recomplted Braig mentioning his own plans while the Xigbar in DDD was proudly exclaiming to be "half-xehanort".
DDD also lists both Braig and Xigbar individually but only Siax. Same for every former org member aside Lea who has a separate Axel entry.
Rather than trying to make your own word a fact you should use things that actually back your theory, like for example this:
Here you have Nomura referring to who you saw in DDD as "Braig". While DDD's reports, namely the story section for TWTNW, refers to him as "Xigbar".
Between the game and interviews you have several moments where he is referred to by both names. I can find them for you if you wish but I'd like to think your not to lazy to turn the game on and check it personally if you have it.
In a series of over convolution such things are worth enough to make alternate theories to your own.
They used both a model for Braig and Xigbar in DDD. One for the opening scene and another for Xigbar later. If they was gonna be lazy here they'd have used one for both. Ideally Braigs since you have to use Braig for anything pre-kh1.
If they was gonna be lazy they'd have used Braig at the end as well.
The entire focus of DDD was time travel and dreams. YX's mission was to gather versions throughout time but at the same time the only one Nomura would say is a confirmed traveler is YX himself.
Then YX further adds to it by pointing out that once MX revives that "time for all of us will return to normal". The time travel hinged on Xehanort (present) being incomplete which was undone thanks to Ansem & Xemnas being destroyed.
That leaves room for several, albeit unwanted I think, routes. You could be seeing past versions in DDD while the present ones are doing other things, you could be seeing replicas, you could be seeing Xehanorts influence changing Braig back into Xigbar, etc.
The fact that only a handful of the members was revealed is crucial. For all we know both Braig AND Xigbar are there.
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Now before you try, I'm not arguing against the possibility of your theory only against you trying to make your words a fact. There's room for several possible theories right now is what I'm trying to get across.
In all honesty I hope it is only Braig's appearance being warped by Xehanort's influence or that it's a past version. In either scenario that just leaves Braig for KH3. (unless MX has more trolls up his sleeves and brings back past version despite being complete)
I've honestly had it up to here with this series "multiple me syndrome" but I know better than to say multiples aren't possible thanks to the fact nearly every game has them.
I mean all one can really do in such a topic is throw ideas back and forth respectively talking out all possibilities, agree to disagree and drop it and wait to see who's right in KH3, or just keep dragging it around in circles as it keeps getting more and more heated till a mod steps in and closes while infracting everyone involved.
Ah but the simple truth here is that your working on just as much speculation as everyone else but trying to pass yours off as an absolute fact over there's despite lacking just as much proof to the contrary.This is speculation on everyone's part, but aside form reusing a model, there isn't anything to suggest otherwise as far as I'm concerned. It's clear that Braig was recompleted along with everyone else, and then proceeds to go about setting parts of their plan in motion (in 2.5 ending it's taking Isa to be a vessel, and then in KH3D it's obviously the rest of the plan with Sora). Are we really suggesting that just because they reused the Braig model without modifying it (as in, giving him Xigbar's long hair) that it is concrete proof that both Xigbar and Braig are existing at the same time, as separate people? Nothing in the text suggests this to be the case, as the only other examples of a Somebody and a Nobody existing at the same time are in the cases of Special Nobodies which Xigbar is not. Assuming that Braig and Xigbar are separate people, existing at the same time, and are both vessels, why not reveal that in KH3D? Why keep "Braig"'s identity a secret in the ending scene? It doesn't make much sense, and the much simpler answer is that Braig and Xigbar are the same person, and the "Xigbar" seen at the end of KH3D is the recompleted Braig
And your ignoring DDD entirely. The main focus of DDD was Young Xehanort's time travel. His entire mission was to gather other versions of himself from throughout time.
But at the same time the only confirmed traveler is YX himself. This leaves open many, and to me personally, unwanted routes.
You could be seeing Xigbar from the past, you could be seeing replica technology, Braigs appearance could've been warped by Xehanort, etc. Your ignoring all of this in favor of a simpler answer when Nomura hardly, if not never, gives simple answers for this series in favor of his "surprising" convoluted ideas.
Then in 2.5 you have the recomplted Braig mentioning his own plans while the Xigbar in DDD was proudly exclaiming to be "half-xehanort".
DDD also lists both Braig and Xigbar individually but only Siax. Same for every former org member aside Lea who has a separate Axel entry.
Rather than trying to make your own word a fact you should use things that actually back your theory, like for example this:
—By the way, Braig’s dealings with Master Xehanort in Birth by Sleep make sense, he was to become a vessel.
Nomura: There is a certain reason for Braig to proudly exclaim, “As for me, I’m already half Xehanort.” Isa (Saix) is included too. I think you’ll understand the details about their circumstances eventually.
Here you have Nomura referring to who you saw in DDD as "Braig". While DDD's reports, namely the story section for TWTNW, refers to him as "Xigbar".
Between the game and interviews you have several moments where he is referred to by both names. I can find them for you if you wish but I'd like to think your not to lazy to turn the game on and check it personally if you have it.
In a series of over convolution such things are worth enough to make alternate theories to your own.
That excuse is still incredibly lazy in of itself and makes little sense. Even you point out it doesn't affect time to use either.The laziness in question comes from having to make a NEW model. It's the same reason that they didn't bother making young versions of TAV even though they should have. It just wasn't worth the amount of work in their eyes. They already have both Xigbar and Braig models already made, so, using both Braig or both Xigbar isn't any more or less time saving than using the Braig model for the wake up scene and the Xigbar model for the other scenes.
They used both a model for Braig and Xigbar in DDD. One for the opening scene and another for Xigbar later. If they was gonna be lazy here they'd have used one for both. Ideally Braigs since you have to use Braig for anything pre-kh1.
If they was gonna be lazy they'd have used Braig at the end as well.
Now your twisting peoples words. They never said Xigbar wasn't recompleted but asking if what we saw in DDD was Xigbar from the past.Why wouldn't he be? You think that all of the RG apprentices were recompleted but Xigbar? The whole Lea/Ienzo scene was about how Braig and Isa were recompleted, but they weren't there. So the question was not "Is Braig recompleted" it was "What happened to Braig and Isa" which is then answered by the ending of KH3D, and further fleshed out in the 2.5 ending.
The entire focus of DDD was time travel and dreams. YX's mission was to gather versions throughout time but at the same time the only one Nomura would say is a confirmed traveler is YX himself.
Then YX further adds to it by pointing out that once MX revives that "time for all of us will return to normal". The time travel hinged on Xehanort (present) being incomplete which was undone thanks to Ansem & Xemnas being destroyed.
That leaves room for several, albeit unwanted I think, routes. You could be seeing past versions in DDD while the present ones are doing other things, you could be seeing replicas, you could be seeing Xehanorts influence changing Braig back into Xigbar, etc.
The fact that only a handful of the members was revealed is crucial. For all we know both Braig AND Xigbar are there.
We're arguing about it cause your trying to debunk others solely on your word alone. Even in that interview Nomura points out that he'd "rather you use your imagination". He only confirms the conditions have been met not that everyone you saw was their recompleted self in DDD.— Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?
Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up.
Like I don't know why we're really arguing this point. Xigbar in KH3D is clearly the recompleted Braig. The only thing making people think otherwise is just because they didn't update Braig's model to resemble Xigbar more closely for a 2 minute cutscene.
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Now before you try, I'm not arguing against the possibility of your theory only against you trying to make your words a fact. There's room for several possible theories right now is what I'm trying to get across.
In all honesty I hope it is only Braig's appearance being warped by Xehanort's influence or that it's a past version. In either scenario that just leaves Braig for KH3. (unless MX has more trolls up his sleeves and brings back past version despite being complete)
I've honestly had it up to here with this series "multiple me syndrome" but I know better than to say multiples aren't possible thanks to the fact nearly every game has them.
I mean all one can really do in such a topic is throw ideas back and forth respectively talking out all possibilities, agree to disagree and drop it and wait to see who's right in KH3, or just keep dragging it around in circles as it keeps getting more and more heated till a mod steps in and closes while infracting everyone involved.
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