9 Year Gap Explanation needed?

[SuperSaiyanSora]

I've been wondering if Nomura is thinking it. For example, why is it that as soon as Sora has his Awakening, DI falls and not too long from that we see Ansem SoD at the door? Why is it that Sora stole the KK from Riku if Sora has Ven's heart which is already capable of weilding a Keyblade? Where has Mickey been prior to KH1? If the worlds started falling to the darkness, why wait 9 years?

Sorry if it's a waste of a thread, I was generally curious.

 

[ispoiledmyself]

well the answer to one of your questions is Sora was eligible to gain the KK because he had a keyblade wielder's heart inside of him and Riku no longer qualified to wield it since he succumbed to darkness so the KK went to the next person with the greatest potential which happened to be sora

 

[SuperSaiyanSora]

well the answer to one of your questions is Sora was eligible to gain the KK because he had a keyblade wielder's heart inside of him and Riku no longer qualified to wield it since he succumbed to darkness so the KK went to the next person with the greatest potential which happened to be sora

Okay, but if succumbing to the darkness makes you un-eligible to possess a Keyblade, why is it that MX and even more so Vanitas are proficient wielders?

 

[Shinra]

Because they were like Riku in some way, only they Embraced the darkness, not enough to become heartless, but They obtained their keyblades before, In order to have a keyblade you have to have a heart that is mainly full of light, that allows you to obtain the keyblade, but if you succumb to Darkness just before you were supposed the Keyblade, you lose it... it work for Xehanot because he had a heart that was immersed mainly in light, but he fell into darkness overtime, experimenting with it. But he had already bonded with the keyblade,
As for Vanitas, He basically obtained the keyblade same time as Ventus because they are part of each other, And when Vanitas was created, he obtained his keyblade.

 

[AdrianXXII]

Because they were like Riku in some way, only they Embraced the darkness, not enough to become heartless, but They obtained their keyblades before, In order to have a keyblade you have to have a heart that is mainly full of light, that allows you to obtain the keyblade, but if you succumb to Darkness just before you were supposed the Keyblade, you lose it... it work for Xehanot because he had a heart that was immersed mainly in light, but he fell into darkness overtime, experimenting with it. But he had already bonded with the keyblade,
As for Vanitas, He basically obtained the keyblade same time as Ventus because they are part of each other, And when Vanitas was created, he obtained his keyblade.

I thought it didn't matter if the heart was full of light or not, as long as the heart was strong otherwise Riku wouldn't have been able to wield the Keyblade at hollow bastion.

 

[Marx15]

I thought it was because Riku's heart wasn't strong enough when he succumbed/embraced the darkness on DI, and plus the darkness..lol...was the reason why it went on to Sora.
That, and when Sora went to grab Riku's hand, didn't he like touch what light was left in Riku (at the time), and end up pulling out the KK, which is why Riku then disappeared and so did the darkness surrounding them.

And the reason why Riku could wield the Keyblade (KK) in HB was because at that moment his heart was stronger than Sora's, because Sora had gotten cocky, and unaware.
But when Riku/XH(Xehanort's Heartless) was wielding a Keyblade (the one made from the PoH), you could say it's because XH made him stronger, but you could also say that since XH is the heartless of both Terra and MX that the same rule could've applied to Riku, that applied to Sora.

Sora could wield cuz he had Ven's heart, but after the events at HB (the first time you go there) Sora didn't need Ven's heart anymore to wield the Keyblade (since it was now in Roxas).
Riku on the other hand, after KH1 was CoM, and we all saw how Riku fought the darkness in his heart...and blah blah blah, but it's mainly because Terra preformed the Keyblade Ceremony on Riku, that's how Riku could wield a Keyblade

 

[Memory Master]

I've been wondering if Nomura is thinking it. For example, why is it that as soon as Sora has his Awakening, DI falls and not too long from that we see Ansem SoD at the door? Why is it that Sora stole the KK from Riku if Sora has Ven's heart which is already capable of weilding a Keyblade? Where has Mickey been prior to KH1? If the worlds started falling to the darkness, why wait 9 years?

Sorry if it's a waste of a thread, I was generally curious.

Okay Sora's awakening had nothing to do with DI being taken by darkness, there's no connection there. XH appeared in DI most likely because he sensed a POH there (kairi) and he sensed the darkness in Riku's heart and knew Riku could be an excellent host if he submitted to the darkness Also I believe Nomura said XH may have went to DI in KH1 partly due to him having memories of MX's time there.

Sora didn't steal the KK from Riku, the KK went to Sora after Riku dissapeared into the darkness. Okay, Sora couldn't wield Ven's keyblade because Ven's heart was sleeping in Sora's heart and was thus unactive, meaning Ven's heart couldn't call upon his keyblade. But after Riku dissapeared into the darkness, right at the moment the KK was going to choose Riku, but because he was absent, the KK went to Sora because it sensed the heart of a keyblade wielder in him, Ven.

Mickey was traveling to Traverse Town sometimes because it was during his travels that he met Leon and learned that Leon was helping people escape to Traverse Town after they lost their worlds to darkness.

Now the reason that Mickey waited 9 years to do anything about the heartless, was because he COULDN'T do anything. Even if Mickey had gone to the dark realm and found the dark realm's keyblade, he still couldn't have closed the Door to Darkness, because there was no keyblade wielder to close it on the side of the realm of light.

Basicaly Mickey had to wait until another keyblade wielder was chosen, so their would be two keys, and they could close it from both sides. When Sora was chosen to wield the keyblade it became possible to close the DTD. So it was only at the start of KH1 that Mickey entered the dark realm to find the keyblade cause he knew very soon Sora or Riku would be chosen to wield the keyblade.

EDIT: Also the Keyblade doesn't give a flying flip if someone's heart is more alligned with darkness or light. It chooses the strongest heart and by the time that Sora reached Hollow Bastion, Riku's heart was stronger and thus he could take back the KK.

But once Sora realized he only needed his friend's to be strong, the KK realized Sora's heart was stronger and so returned to him and chose him as it's permanent master.

 

[loke13]

Okay Sora's awakening had nothing to do with DI being taken by darkness, there's no connection there. XH appeared in DI most likely because he sensed a POH there (kairi) and he sensed the darkness in Riku's heart and knew Riku could be an excellent host if he submitted to the darkness Also I believe Nomura said XH may have went to DI in KH1 partly due to him having memories of MX's time there.

Sora didn't steal the KK from Riku, the KK went to Sora after Riku dissapeared into the darkness. Okay, Sora couldn't wield Ven's keyblade because Ven's heart was sleeping in Sora's heart and was thus unactive, meaning Ven's heart couldn't call upon his keyblade. But after Riku dissapeared into the darkness, right at the moment the KK was going to choose Riku, but because he was absent, the KK went to Sora because it sensed the heart of a keyblade wielder in him, Ven.

Mickey was traveling to Traverse Town sometimes because it was during his travels that he met Leon and learned that Leon was helping people escape to Traverse Town after they lost their worlds to darkness.

Now the reason that Mickey waited 9 years to do anything about the heartless, was because he COULDN'T do anything. Even if Mickey had gone to the dark realm and found the dark realm's keyblade, he still couldn't have closed the Door to Darkness, because there was no keyblade wielder to close it on the side of the realm of light.

Basicaly Mickey had to wait until another keyblade wielder was chosen, so their would be two keys, and they could close it from both sides. When Sora was chosen to wield the keyblade it became possible to close the DTD. So it was only at the start of KH1 that Mickey entered the dark realm to find the keyblade cause he knew very soon Sora or Riku would be chosen to wield the keyblade.

EDIT: Also the Keyblade doesn't give a flying flip if someone's heart is more alligned with darkness or light. It chooses the strongest heart and by the time that Sora reached Hollow Bastion, Riku's heart was stronger and thus he could take back the KK.

But once Sora realized he only needed his friend's to be strong, the KK realized Sora's heart was stronger and so returned to him and chose him as it's permanent master.

Master Yen sid was a keyblade wielder.

 

[AdrianXXII]

Master Yen sid was a keyblade wielder.

True, but he's retired and Mickey has his Keyblade. It's also possible that it might me that's a plot hole that was forgotten.

 

[Memory Master]

True, but he's retired and Mickey has his Keyblade. It's also possible that it might me that's a plot hole that was forgotten.

Exactly, once a Keyblade Master retires it seems that they may not be able to use a keyblade again, cause not once did Yen Sid use his keyblade in BBS.

 

[TerravsVentus]

What happens when Sora returns Ventus' heart? Will he no longer be a Keyblade Wielder? Sora isn't officially a "Master". Riku isn't either. They have not taken the exam so Nomura should stop having them being called "Keyblade Masters" in the script. Could Aqua, Terra or Ventus pass the torch to him like Terra with Riku on Destiny Islands?

 

[Aquaman OS]

When he returns Ventus's heart he'd still have his keyblade but until granted the Keyblade power himself he won't be able to use it anymore.

Unless he was granted the power himself when he grabbed Riku's Way to the Dawn in the Xemnas fight, or if he winds up touching any other person's keyblade at some point before giving Ven back his heart.

He will lose his ability to dual wield though.

 

[OmniChaos]

Sora didn't steal the KK from Riku, the KK went to Sora after Riku dissapeared into the darkness.

Actually, from how Nomura described it, Sora, essentially, did just that.
Nomura stated that when Sora was reaching out to Riku, he touched Riku's light and took the KK from him.

 

[Aquaman OS]

How long ago was that info from? Because alot of things have been retconed lately.

 

[Marx15]

What happens when Sora returns Ventus' heart? Will he no longer be a Keyblade Wielder? Sora isn't officially a "Master". Riku isn't either. They have not taken the exam so Nomura should stop having them being called "Keyblade Masters" in the script. Could Aqua, Terra or Ventus pass the torch to him like Terra with Riku on Destiny Islands?

He won't lose the ability to use the Keyblade...from the point of events in HB (after Sora became a Heartless) to the end of KH2 (when Roxas went back to Sora), Sora did not have Ven's heart with him what so ever...all that was by Sora's heart.
Sora is strong enough by himself (without Ven) to wield a Keyblade by himself.

 

[Aquaman OS]

He won't lose the ability to use the Keyblade...from the point of events in HB (after Sora became a Heartless) to the end of KH2 (when Roxas went back to Sora), Sora did not have Ven's heart with him what so ever...all that was by Sora's heart.
Sora is strong enough by himself (without Ven) to wield a Keyblade by himself.

They were still connected though, which is why they could both use the same Keyblade at the same time. If Ven's heart goes back into his body and cuts off the connection it would be different.

 

[Luap]

Ven's and Sora's Keyblades aren't one in the same though like Sora's and Roxas'. He will still have the KK. The reason Ven's Heart granted Sora to weild the Keyblade is presumably a substitute for the Inheritance Ceremony. Once the Keyblade chose him, it chose him.

Riku was the originally the person meant to receive the KK but Riku's heart got weaker by falling into the Darkness, so the KK chose Sora instead. It wasn't just falling into Darkness in general, but the effect of doing so. Remember, the Inheritance Ceremony and Having a Strong Heart doesn't mean the character will wield a Keyblade, they must be chosen by the Keyblade too. At HB Sora's heart was weaker than Riku's so the Keyblade chose Riku. Then after Sora's speach his heart was stronger so the Keyblade re-chose him.

 

[Aquaman OS]

Oh he'll still have it. The question is will he still be able to use it? The inheritance thing seems to have a direct affect on the ability to wield a keyblade since it was said that the reason Kairi could borrow and use a Keyblade from Riku was because of it. She still wasn't chosen by one herself. Like how Mickey had been using Yensid's Keyblade himself for years before finally being chosen by the KKD. Therefore assuming Sora loses Ven's heart he'd still have the KK but he might be unable to access it again until properly granted the power to do so.

 

[Marx15]

Oh he'll still have it. The question is will he still be able to use it? The inheritance thing seems to have a direct affect on the ability to wield a keyblade since it was said that the reason Kairi could borrow and use a Keyblade from Riku was because of it. She still wasn't chosen by one herself. Like how Mickey had been using Yensid's Keyblade himself for years before finally being chosen by the KKD. Therefore assuming Sora loses Ven's heart he'd still have the KK but he might be unable to access it again until properly granted the power to do so.

Mickey still has the Star Seeker...as seen in CODED, and Kairi did have the Kayblade Ceremony performed for her by Aqua, on accident of course...she has the potential to wield a keyblade...but in KH2 she just borrowed one.

And yes Sora will still be able to use the Keyblade even if Ven's heart is removed from him...it might leave Sora damaged for awhile, but he would recover.

 

[Fractured_Heart628]

I think that the worlds slowly started falling to darkness and King Mickey was at Disney Castle trying to figure a way of how to stop the darkness from consuming the worlds. Xehanort's Heartless took Kairi with him to see when the Keyblade Master would show up and to probably study Riku. But, I think Organization XIII got it's members from some of the victims that fell into darkness, most of them became Dusks and some of them became Nobodies.