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Spoiler ShowI know the dlc just came out but to anyone that knows Japanese, is there any noticeable translation changes between the versions?
Spoiler ShowI actually was thinking about this today too, I wanted to see what the Japanese version for how the discussion between Young Xehanort and the Master of Masters went. Particularly the line in English where he says, "I could tell you that I dream of world peace! ...When I'm actually planning for its destruction." It was an ambiguous line to me, does the MoM WANT the world to fall, is he working on destroying it? Or is he working on protecting things? So many questions.
Spoiler ShowI actually was thinking about this today too, I wanted to see what the Japanese version for how the discussion between Young Xehanort and the Master of Masters went. Particularly the line in English where he says, "I could tell you that I dream of world peace! ...When I'm actually planning for its destruction." It was an ambiguous line to me, does the MoM WANT the world to fall, is he working on destroying it? Or is he working on protecting things? So many questions.
I think he was just speaking in hypothetical there to illustrate the point that Xehanort shouldn’t trust what he hears, but what he sees.
Spoiler ShowTrue, because he says exactly that in the next sentence, but I still wonder. I can guess that he met up with Young Xehanort because he knew that he'd be the chosen war to start up another Keyblade War, because his eye in No Name sees everything. But in terms of why he's doing it, especially when he made it abundantly clear to Ava that the war can't be avoided and to get the Dandelions formed so they can reshape the World... I don't understand.
Spoiler ShowSry to interrupt this discussion with a new (probably dumb) question but i have to ask.
Maybe i missed, misunderstood, forgot or overlooked something but when Sora travelled back in time how was it possible for him to fight Terranort or Dark Inferno? Time travel is only possible as a heart and without a replika he had no bodyy or am i wrong? Wasn‘t that one of the reasons to create the replicas so that every heart that travels through time has a body again? Sry the whole time travel thing is still confusing for me
Spoiler ShowSry to interrupt this discussion with a new (probably dumb) question but i have to ask.
Maybe i missed, misunderstood, forgot or overlooked something but when Sora travelled back in time how was it possible for him to fight Terranort or Dark Inferno? Time travel is only possible as a heart and without a replika he had no bodyy or am i wrong? Wasn‘t that one of the reasons to create the replicas so that every heart that travels through time has a body again? Sry the whole time travel thing is still confusing for me
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He could fight Dark Inferno X because that battle likely took place inside Ventus' heart. And as we saw back in KH2 when Roxas fought Sora, you don't necessarily need a corporeal form to pull off that kind of battle.
As for Terranort, this was actually an issue I noted in one of my own earlier post. We're told that Sora "jumped out of Terra's memories" to exit his Station of Awakening, but we're never told how he has a physical body with which to fight Terranort. And as you noted, this directly contradicts the established need for the Replicas to use when time traveling.
If I had to guess and come with an explanation for the writers, I'd say it's another perk of using the PoW (maybe a one time thing??) that only pushed Sora further into having to pay the "ultimate price." Or maybe he just pulled a YX and bypassed that rule like we see in BBS (during the secret boss fight)? But then... that moment was never explained either, and KH3 seems to go back on that a bit with him.
In any case, that whole section was objectively pointless and unnecessary to the story, so I'm not sure why they went out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot and break established lore again, when they could've just as easily not included it.
Naw you're fine, lol. That's a honestly a really good question, considering the game itself never bothers to explain either of those scenes.
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He could fight Dark Inferno X because that battle likely took place inside Ventus' heart. And as we saw back in KH2 when Roxas fought Sora, you don't necessarily need a corporeal form to pull off that kind of battle.
As for Terranort, this was actually an issue I noted in one of my own earlier post. We're told that Sora "jumped out of Terra's memories" to exit his Station of Awakening, but we're never told how he has a physical body with which to fight Terranort. And as you noted, this directly contradicts the established need for the Replicas to use when time traveling.
If I had to guess and come with an explanation for the writers, I'd say it's another perk of using the PoW (maybe a one time thing??) that only pushed Sora further into having to pay the "ultimate price." Or maybe he just pulled a YX and bypassed that rule like we see in BBS (during the secret boss fight)? But then... that moment was never explained either, and KH3 seems to go back on that a bit with him.
In any case, that whole section was objectively pointless and unnecessary to the story, so I'm not sure why they went out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot and break established lore again, when they could've just as easily not included it.
Spoiler ShowI think a major reason for that fight was to explain where Lingering Will went, why Terra suddenly wakes up, and also to establish once more that Sora cannot just change anything he wants even though he wanted to save LW. Yes the coming out of nowhere to fight Terranort is very, VERY dumb and confusing but I think it was there because they wanted to have this established, but also not have to code in battle data for Lingering Will if Sora was to "possess" him like he is doing with the others. I guess if you don't want to break canon, (though this definitely doesn't work) is that Sora IS possessing LW but we see him because he's fighting as one with him.
Naw you're fine, lol. That's a honestly a really good question, considering the game itself never bothers to explain either of those scenes.
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He could fight Dark Inferno X because that battle likely took place inside Ventus' heart. And as we saw back in KH2 when Roxas fought Sora, you don't necessarily need a corporeal form to pull off that kind of battle.
As for Terranort, this was actually an issue I noted in one of my own earlier post. We're told that Sora "jumped out of Terra's memories" to exit his Station of Awakening, but we're never told how he has a physical body with which to fight Terranort. And as you noted, this directly contradicts the established need for the Replicas to use when time traveling.
If I had to guess and come with an explanation for the writers, I'd say it's another perk of using the PoW (maybe a one time thing??) that only pushed Sora further into having to pay the "ultimate price." Or maybe he just pulled a YX and bypassed that rule like we see in BBS (during the secret boss fight)? But then... that moment was never explained either, and KH3 seems to go back on that a bit with him.
In any case, that whole section was objectively pointless and unnecessary to the story, so I'm not sure why they went out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot and break established lore again, when they could've just as easily not included it.
Spoiler ShowOk i didn‘t realized they were still in Vens heart and yeah you‘re right the whole Terranort part wasn‘t necessary. He interrupted this fight but he couldn’t (or didn‘t want to?) do anything to stop kairi getting kidnapped?
Spoiler ShowI think a major reason for that fight was to explain where Lingering Will went, why Terra suddenly wakes up, and also to establish once more that Sora cannot just change anything he wants even though he wanted to save LW. Yes the coming out of nowhere to fight Terranort is very, VERY dumb and confusing but I think it was there because they wanted to have this established, but also not have to code in battle data for Lingering Will if Sora was to "possess" him like he is doing with the others. I guess if you don't want to break canon, (though this definitely doesn't work) is that Sora IS possessing LW but we see him because he's fighting as one with him.
Spoiler ShowBut didn‘t LW protect Sora at the end of the fight when Terranort attacked Sora? He couldn‘t do that if LW was possessed by Sora.
Spoiler ShowOk i didn‘t realized they were still in Vens heart and yeah you‘re right the whole Terranort part wasn‘t necessary. He interrupted this fight but he couldn’t (or didn‘t want to?) do anything to stop kairi getting kidnapped?
Spoiler ShowBut didn‘t LW protect Sora at the end of the fight when Terranort attacked Sora? He couldn‘t do that if LW was possessed by Sora.
Spoiler ShowThat's why I said it definitely doesn't work.
Spoiler ShowOk i didn‘t realized they were still in Vens heart and yeah you‘re right the whole Terranort part wasn‘t necessary. He interrupted this fight but he couldn’t (or didn‘t want to?) do anything to stop kairi getting kidnapped?
Spoiler ShowExactly!! If he was oblivious enough to think he could get past the rules of time travel, why didn't he just jump to Kairi's heart immediately and have her do something that would've prevented her demise?
Not to say it would've worked, of course (the rules obviously still apply), but it would've made more sense than what he did with LW.
Spoiler ShowI think a major reason for that fight was to explain where Lingering Will went, why Terra suddenly wakes up, and also to establish once more that Sora cannot just change anything he wants even though he wanted to save LW. Yes the coming out of nowhere to fight Terranort is very, VERY dumb and confusing but I think it was there because they wanted to have this established, but also not have to code in battle data for Lingering Will if Sora was to "possess" him like he is doing with the others. I guess if you don't want to break canon, (though this definitely doesn't work) is that Sora IS possessing LW but we see him because he's fighting as one with him.
Spoiler ShowRight, but we didn't need that moment to tell us that Sora can't change everything using time travel. This rule was established since as far back as DDD, and was also explicitly stated in interviews if I'm not mistaken. Having us waste time on such a pointless venture just to remind us of that is redundant and annoying.
If they wanted to show players what happened between LW and Terranort (although the fact that Terranort was fine should've made it obvious), a single cutscene and Namine's exposition would've been more than enough to get the point across. They could've even thrown in a line about it when Aqua and Ventus first meet up with Terranort and Vanitas. It wasn't so complicated that they needed to waste our time on it. Also, nothing about Sora's battle explains why Terra "woke up", assuming you're reffering to when he took control of the Guardian. But if you're reffering to why LW showed to begin with, we already get that answer from Namine in the base game.
But you do make a good observation about them not wanting to code in a playable LW, and so they threw Sora in there to cut corners (again). It wouldn't be the only instance of that in the dlc, tbh.
Spoiler ShowMy problems began as soon as I saw the new menu artwork. I get that the DLC is basically about saving Kairi, but this art gives off the complete wrong impression. When I look at it, it makes me think the game is about her and Sora's relationship, just like 2FM's art reflects the game being about Roxas and Sora's relationship. But as we all know, KH3 isn't about Kairi, at all. She isn't even a thought in Sora's head until the Paupu fruit scene. But apparently having her beat up Goatnort (but she can't stand up to Terranort or Xemnas right guys?) makes up for that and suddenly the game is all about her. Everyone suddenly forgot that if you hit new game instead of ReMind, the story is the exact same. Even the ReMind version of the scene with Xemnas, which was so bad they actually changed it to something more bearable, ends the same way. With her being effortlessly kidnapped and killed. I still can't believe we have to pay $30 to experience Kairi getting rescued. I can't think of a single respectable writer who would do something like that.
And I am so glad I did not buy this DLC. I still remember audibly laughing when I realized you had to fight the entirety of Organization 13 again. Fight Dark Inferno again. Fight Anti-Aqua again. Fight Terranort again but with Aqua. Fight Siax again but with Roxas. When I saw these fights in trailers, I assumed they were going to be extra options for the main game. But instead they're used to pad out the original fights even more. It's ridiculous, especially compared to games like Deus Ex and Witcher 3 which have major expansions at up to half the price. I guess that's to be expected from the company that chopped up FFXV's non-existent story for DLC. In regards to the actual new content, I'd say the worst part for me was the new RAX scene. You thought the scene in 2FM was just a visual representation of Roxas getting his name? Nah, that would be kinda subtle. Instead Xemnas literally marked them with a sigil that literally represents their bond that physically exists and they can't keep their bond without literally beating the mark out of Xemnas. Such depth. In contrast, the best part was definitely the Armored Replicas fight against all the GoL. That shit was so hype.
Unlike ReMind, which features content that should've been in the game in the first place, Limit Cut is perfectly acceptable DLC. I don't have a problem with anything in it conceptually. Except for one thing: Yozora. Look, I feel bad for Nomura with what happened with Versus. I really do, but he needs to get the fuck over it. Kingdom Hearts is not a vessel for failed or cancelled projects. Why is the series suddenly all about not-Versus after essentially throwing FF in the garbage for all these years? Would it have been that hard to put Versus Noctis in the game? And this goes for TWEWY as well. Why are we getting a Shibuya world when we've barely had any FF characters outside of FFVII? Just make a damn sequel if you like those characters so much. The time for Nomura to take a step back and reevaluate what this series is about is long overdue. Not a single ounce of this feels like Kingdom Hearts. Dude made a joke and then took it way too seriously out of spite. Literally recreated a Versus trailer with his new OCs. Seek help, Nomura.
I also want to briefly touch on the gameplay. I've seen a lot of people, including known content creators and speedrunners, losing their minds about how the combat is just so good now because of the new combo mods and superbosses. And it honestly makes me question whether they ever knew what they were talking about in the first place. Suddenly guard being trash doesn't matter. Suddenly Link spam doesn't matter. Suddenly most attacks being homogenized doesn't matter. Suddenly half of the mechanics being random pop-ups doesn't matter. "Osaka has finally surpassed Tokyo!". No they haven't. They made some small improvements to a poorly designed system and had you pay for some bosses. Please calm down.
In closing, I think this DLC really puts into perspective just how unfinished KH3 was. Before anyone says 2FM was no different, lets list all of its story additions that are meant to compliment the base story:
That's really it for 2FM. And it's worth pointing out that half of those new scenes are pointless BBS sequel bait, while the other half just flesh out Organization 13. In my opinion, the audience isn't missing any important plot information without them. You're gonna feel the same way about the plot no matter which version of the game you play. Now let's compare this to 3RM:
- New cutscenes
- Roxas boss fight
These are being passed off as extra content but are clear attempts to fix the hastily put together endgame. Extended KG features multiple new scenes that address major plot holes like what happened to Lingering Will and Xion's return (which still doesn't make sense) and literally anyone could tell you Scala was blatantly incomplete. I've seen multiple people who both liked and disliked the story say these things significantly changed the way they felt about it. Was this a result of 3 being rushed? Probably not, in fact I'd sooner blame the way it was directed over lack of time. But Nomura's comments along with the sheer amount of content added in comparison to both FMs is telling. I've heard people say that KH2 was rushed in the past, but not once did the game make me feel it was incomplete, even after playing 2FM. And I think that's an important distinction.
- Extended KG
- Extended Scala
- Terranort boss fight
- Xehanort Replicas boss fight
- Xehanort boss fight
Spoiler ShowI just thought of a reason why the whole Terranort part might not complete useless. LW was the embodiment of Terras mind/thoughts? What if the moment he was destroyed they merged with his heart and that was also a reason why he could free himself from Xehanorts controll? That and watching Aqua and Ventus almost die. That would honestly be the only reason that would justify the whole thing for me.
He says very specifically to trust what you see NOT what you hear.I hate how the MoM tells us to trust what we hear, yet when he's about to tell his name, they mute it.
By the way, I'm guessing the same can be said about how Yozora said that he doesn't look as Sora sees him?
I hate how the MoM tells us to trust what we hear, yet when he's about to tell his name, they mute it.
By the way, I'm guessing the same can be said about how Yozora said that he doesn't look as Sora sees him?
Spoiler ShowThey didn't mute his name. It was stolen by the Dusk and therefore cannot be said. Either that or his name is Photos.
Yes if you didn't save over it with limit cut. They are technically two separate episodes like BbS.Is it possible to go back to Scala to find missing chests after completing ReMind?
He says very specifically to trust what you see NOT what you hear.
"The truth is what you see with your eyes, not what you hear."
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Which is especially hilarious considering there are multiple people having illusion powers or otherwise the ability to change/shape visual presentation (DiZ could pose as Ansem SoD as early as Chain of Memories).
Not to mention visual perception can be misinterpreted pretty easily and even actions witnessed via your own eyes can be taken wrongly without the appropriate context.
It's the usual 1a trolling by the MoM and it is even more pointy because he's trolling Young Xehanort, the original "Trollanort".