why do so many people dislike 358/2 days

[*TwilightNight*]

Really, people dislike it for whatever reasons they can name. I DON'T blame them. The game wasn't to great compared to the rest, but you couldn't have high expectations anyways. It is on the DS.

I hate the excused "it's on the DS, how could you EVER expect something better written?". Just because it's in a lower handheld console does not mean the story has to suck. I've seen better and more well thought out, in-depth games. And they were on the DS. Seriously.

 

[Smile]

CoM was, to many, the best written game in the series and it originated from the freaking GBA xD; platform has nothing to do with the story writing.
Though to be nitpicky, he never mentioned the writing in that paragraph, TN

 

[Weeaboo]

Seeing Snarl of Memories? The Ven apparition? I'd say Xion's made up of a lot of people's memories, too xD

See, I knew people would connect the dots eventually.

 

[MATGSY]

Even within the context of being just a "fanservice" game, having it's best parts blantantly stolen by BbS (org backstories, Neverland,

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Rikunort final boss in a way

, online play with vs. mode) & DS hardware limitations I still think the game could've been much better than it was. What I think it needed:

1. Chapter based story mode. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone here, slow pacing & tedious missions. Instead of day by day missions in the main story there are 12 chapters, 1 for each month that passes. Each chapter is about as long as a standard world visit. The story mode is thus a bit shorter & focuses only on the major plot points. Mission mode of course still has all the missions which feature the less important plot points.

2. More Disney character involvement. I'm kinda surprised this isn't brought up more in this thread, but frankly I played KH to begin with because of the Disney characters & I'm stunned they would make a game where they had such little presence. The in-game explanation is that the org is trying to keep a low profile but that excuse just does not hold up.

Olympus-In spite of orders Roxas interacts a lot with Phil, which has no repercussions whatsoever to Sora in KH2 or Ven in BbS.
Halloween Town-The org never appeared her in KH2 so what did it matter?
Wonderland/Neverland/Pinocchio's world-None of them appeared in KH2 so it didn't matter.
Beast's Castle-Xaldin ends up "befriending" Beast anyway (more on that later) so that had happened earlier, associates of Xaldin such as Roxas would be welcomed guests.
And in general-Roxas' job is to slay heartless which is beneficial to the locals so why wouldn't they welcome his help as they did for Sora? & shouldn't his hood be up if he's undercover?

So basically they should've not bother with the secrecy thing if it wouldn't have affected KH2's continuity. & how the hell can Peter Pan not show up in his own world at all?

3. More Disney bosses (or really, any boss that wasn't a palette swapped heartless). Related to the above but distinct in that this is more gameplay-based than story. The only disney bosses are Pete & the 3 halloween kids. How........lame. Past them it's literally nothing but heartless bosses until the endgame, & even most of those are buffed recolors of common heartless. Heartless are not characters, they're mindless monsters & thus not as compelling to battle IMO. Sure they offer unique combat situations not possible with actual characters but it needs to be balanced out, which every game except for Days has done. Some fights that could've been done (another list within a list, oh joy)

Hook-The most immediately obvious, he was freaking in the game! A way to make this Hook fight different from past encounters would be to make him fly. He's gotta have enough loose pixy dust in that lamp by now for it & it would work with the player's flight mechanics.
Hades-Apparently cut from the game, I blame BbS. Can't think of much new to do with the fight, but Days doesn't seem to have a problem with recycled bosses anyway. Maybe he & Roxas fight over a lava pit or something.
Jafar-Here's an unanswered question from KH2 that they forgot: how did Jafar's lamp get in the Peddler's hands? Plus we've yet to fight his snake form in a KH so that's the form Square could've used.
Gaston-It's kinda surprising how the villain of Beauty & the Beast didn't in any of the 4 that film got represented in. This fight could've helped answered another forgotten question: why does the Beast listens to a damn word Xaldin says? The simplest answer would be because Xaldin saved his life, like say from Gaston's attack.
Queen of Hearts-She drinks from the growth bottle & is a giant for the fight.
Honest John-If the cut world stayed in of course. Eh, he's not much a ifghter but he is a fox with fangs & claws.
Diz-Admit it, you're curious what his style would be. Perhaps Diz made an attempt to capture Roxas before hiring Riku.
Xion vs. Axel-The best part is either of them can be the player & the other the boss.
Xion vs. Riku-Ditto.

4. A better freaking superboss. To hell with Dustflier, yet another palette swap with a bazillion HP & a stupidly powerful attack that effectively rules out using combos. You know, if a Ventus model was put in the game maybe they could've had him be the superboss instead.

5. More playable Disney characters in mission mode. At least the main heroes of the worlds that appear (I.E. Al, Jack, Herc, Beast & Pan). For me the fanservice part was finally being able to play as Mickey & Donald. In fact the original idea of the game was to do a multiplayer KH with Sora & his party members but Square feared Disney wouldn't approve. Despite this Mickey, Donald & Goofy still made it in so Sqaure must've badly miscalculated Disney's willingness.

6. Don't completely undermine the final boss. By whom I mean Riku, not Xion. Strange that nearly the entire series over the course of 7 years had been building up & foreshadowing that fight, yet the game it's finally playable in rushes through it. Normal Riku is slow & unaggressive & we didn't even get to fight Rikunort. Yes I know why, Roxas is suppose to lose to Rikunort so it wouldn't make to beat him up. But guess what? He still gets knocked out by normal Riku! The gameplay is null & voided by the cutscenes anyway, so why not go for broke?

7. DSi exclusive features. & I don't mean the camera. DSi has twice the processing speed & 4 times the RAM as the previous DSes. While the bulk of the game would be still playable on DS phat & lite, a few bonus missions that took advantage of that extra horsepower would've been neat.

8. Some sort of auto-dashlike ability for flying. I mean really, that Ruler of the Sky was more of a pain than it had any right to be.

9. Hollow Bastion+Final Fantasy characters. I'll lump them together cuz' this would be the world most of them would appear in. Seems strange that most of org comes from this (even Roxas in a way, imagine him visiting the spot where Sora emo'd himself & having another headache), Xenmas frequently visits yet it doesn't show up in the game.

 

[Goldpanner]

6. Don't completely undermine the final boss. By whom I mean Riku, not Xion. Strange that nearly the entire series over the course of 7 years had been building up & foreshadowing that fight, yet the game it's finally playable in rusjes through it. Normal Riku is slow & unaggressive & we didn't even get to fight Rikunort. Yes I know why, Roxas is suppose to lose to Rikunort so it wouldn't make to beat him up. But guess what? He still gets knocked out by normal Riku! The gameplay is null & voided by the cutscenes anyway, so why not go for broke?

So many good points here, but this is one that gnaws at me the most.

It doesn't matter if you lose; you can still play the fight at the end of Crisis Core, which kills you any way. The trick is to have the death part in a cutscene after the battle, really, so even if it looks like you win, they just strike back and get you anyway.

The undermining was just another example of Xion being made more central and important than anything else, despite the fact that she wasn't even thought of until they started work on the game. It's like the culmination of everything; she undermines the Org, she undermines Roxas' own story, and finally, she undermines the epic Deep Dive scene, in more ways than one.

 

[Weeaboo]

6. Don't completely undermine the final boss. By whom I mean Riku, not Xion. Strange that nearly the entire series over the course of 7 years had been building up & foreshadowing that fight, yet the game it's finally playable in rusjes through it. Normal Riku is slow & unaggressive & we didn't even get to fight Rikunort. Yes I know why, Roxas is suppose to lose to Rikunort so it wouldn't make to beat him up. But guess what? He still gets knocked out by normal Riku! The gameplay is null & voided by the cutscenes anyway, so why not go for broke?

I wonder why they didn't pull what they did in KH1. You lose to him, you still continue on through the ending.

 

[chibi:3]

I lurve Days. I'm playing it right now actually. ^.^

 

[Sephora]

I agree with everything here.

To add in my own two cents, my biggest thing against Days is it's very fanfic-y. I feel like the team in charge didn't know what to do with Days so they went online and randomly picked a fic to base the game on.

That would explain:

- Xion's existence
- Lack of proper character development
- bad use of Disney worlds
- Riku's odd behavior
- repetitive missions

etc.

The Disney worlds in Days are far worse than KH2. For me, the missions vary from Unimportant to Unnecessary pain in my ass. (Ex, what was the point of the blobs?) Yes, Org members were supposed to be hidden, but S-E could've expanded on that and we could've been privy to more behind-the-scenes stuff. We're not interrupting anything this time around, so why not have the worlds playing out like their respective movies? Why not have Roxas see Sally sneaking out to see Jack or Alice chasing the White Rabbit or Pan rescuing Wendy. Give us something that doesn't make these worlds completely pointless. And btw, where the hell was Pan? His absence irked me.

Here's an idea: since we're going around to worlds and not really doing anything, why doesn't Roxas venture to Atlantica, but when Ariel is on shore and trying to woo Prince Eric? They get interrupted like 20 times, the Org can be why they get interrupted. Just a thought.

Also, instead of running around randomly, why not go to worlds where the Org pops up in KH2? Go with Luxord to Port Royal, Demyx to the underworld, etc & so forth. Half of Days should of written itself.

Xion's existence annoys the crap out of me. Right now I see her as completely pointless. We wasted a game on a character that goes back where she came from and no one remembers. That's almost as bad as the ~It was all a dream~ senario. In my book all she did was change the plot, not add anything to it. Also Xion's interaction with Riku annoyed me. When Riku was giving her a choice I had a feeling Xion was going to be selfish and choose her friends over Sora and thus forcing Riku to take her forcibly. That's what should have happened. What happened instead I feel was Disney's influence. In Disney's world all the protagonists are good and do the right thing. Yes, how sweet and kind it was of Riku to give Xion a choice and isn't it wonderful she did the right thing because of it. *gag*

Which brings me to Riku. I'm glad Riku wanted to help Sora so badly he was willing to let a girl he just met choose her own fate. Why he wasn't kicking ass and taking names is beyond me. It wouldn't have taken a year to repair Sora's memory if Riku had stopped being emo long enough to get something done. Sora's progress was starting to slow at the beginning of the game. Why did it take until the end for DiZ to finally order Riku to do something? And why did Riku need to be told to do something he should have already been doing? Twice, not once but twice, he had the perfect opportunity to capture Xion and both times he let her go.

The last thing I'm gonna say is I wanted a Roxas game. What I got instead was a Xion game seen more or less through Roxas' POV. Xion wouldnt have been so bad, imo, if it was half Roxas/half Xion.

On a positive note, I got a few AkuRoku moments that satisfied my inner fangirl. I didn't hate Days, but it's not on my list of favorites either. I'll like it more if Xion ends up being important.

 

[Shadow_]

I'm sorry to say this but from what I saw on videos of the game, it looked so repititive look at BBS it looks like you can do so much more. Plus all we got in 358/2 Days was old worlds nothing new. Kind of boring.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

To add in my own two cents, my biggest thing against Days is it's very fanfic-y. I feel like the team in charge didn't know what to do with Days so they went online and randomly picked a fic to base the game on.

They actually went to pick the KH novel author, and add in all her ideas for her OC: turned out to be Xion. Tomoco Kanemaki practically conceptualized the role.

I wonder if the staff themselves put any effort, or if it revolved around how to fit her in without turning and contradicting KH2. And it was still done with mistakes.

Which brings me to Riku. I'm glad Riku wanted to help Sora so badly he was willing to let a girl he just met choose her own fate. Why he wasn't kicking ass and taking names is beyond me. It wouldn't have taken a year to repair Sora's memory if Riku had stopped being emo long enough to get something done. Sora's progress was starting to slow at the beginning of the game. Why did it take until the end for DiZ to finally order Riku to do something? And why did Riku need to be told to do something he should have already been doing? Twice, not once but twice, he had the perfect opportunity to capture Xion and both times he let her go.

\m/

You practically summarized most of what we complain about.

And there's an explanation as to why Riku, and even Diz (who went almost 200 days not doing anything from the moment he found out the truth, despite that he was going to "take the gloves off"), waited so long: Xion had to finish the year.

And it was done in the most contrived and horrible way possible by twisting some characters to float around her compared to what we know they should have done.

Notice how when Xion finally decides what to do, in killing herself, close to the final day, they all suddenly...oh so coincidentally, take action. Which they should have done 300 days before.

I always thought Roxas was highly guarded by the Organization, to the point that even Diz had to make the Data Twilight Town so they won't interfere (or so he said so in KH2). Capturing was difficult, I would think, especially if they get thwarted, and Roxas was their most prized possession as the only Keyblade wielder. Meaning the Organization would try harder. Granted, since 358/2 Days came out, that sensible idea went to drown in the toilet like everything else. But I honestly would have preferred more clashes between Diz/Riku vs. Roxas/Organization XIII - these clashes, among his experiences in Disney worlds, the lies...more so with Axel, constant dreams of Sora, possible Ventus connections or Xemnas connections, or both, and all the questions would set up Roxas to finally give the F U.

I didn't hate Days, but it's not on my list of favorites either. I'll like it more if Xion ends up being important.

What kind of importance, though?

 

[loke13]

I'm sorry to say this but from what I saw on videos of the game, it looked so repititive look at BBS it looks like you can do so much more. Plus all we got in 358/2 Days was old worlds nothing new. Kind of boring.

Well that might have something to do with the limitation of the DS but to me Days felt like an afterthought look at BBS and Days and tell me which one had the most effort put into it as far as story wise.

 

[Goldpanner]

Half of Days should of written itself.

Your ideas for the Disney worlds were really good. As far as I can see, Days was on a DS cartridge and didn't have infinite space for story exposition. So, they had to toss up between spending time on a story that fleshed out Disney and existing Org members, or creating a ~mysterious~ new character to sell the game (who is she? etc) to spend the entire plot on instead.

It's what bad fanfic writers do. They can't be bothered to actually play with the existing things in the universe (eg Disney), and work on developing the existing characters (eg the Org), so they put a shiny OC in the middle that they can do whatever they want with, and turn the other characters into caricatures that revolve around the OC and her tragedy, which are meant to serve as the entire plot.

This game doesn't even have a concrete antagonist, does it? Xemnas just has random monologues and you never fight him. Saix is a hindrance but hardly Game Boss material, seeing as the plot arc involving him is just him picking on Xion repeatedly and the last battle with him is hardly climatic. Riku is a henchman who doesn't appear much either. DiZ makes about four appearances in which he complains and does nothing.

The villain of the game seems to be fate, pushing Xion towards her tragic and unavoidable end.

Which brings me to Riku. I'm glad Riku wanted to help Sora so badly he was willing to let a girl he just met choose her own fate. Why he wasn't kicking ass and taking names is beyond me. It wouldn't have taken a year to repair Sora's memory if Riku had stopped being emo long enough to get something done. Sora's progress was starting to slow at the beginning of the game. Why did it take until the end for DiZ to finally order Riku to do something? And why did Riku need to be told to do something he should have already been doing? Twice, not once but twice, he had the perfect opportunity to capture Xion and both times he let her go.

If Xion hadn't existed, they could still have written a story that took them a year to catch Roxas. And it probably would have made a lot more sense than the weird Riku/OC plot.

I'll like it more if Xion ends up being important.

More important? D: Didn't we learn our lesson from Days? She was super important in that game, and look what it became...

 

[Reika]

I agree with everything here.

To add in my own two cents, my biggest thing against Days is it's very fanfic-y. I feel like the team in charge didn't know what to do with Days so they went online and randomly picked a fic to base the game on.

That would explain:

- Xion's existence
- Lack of proper character development
- bad use of Disney worlds
- Riku's odd behavior
- repetitive missions

etc.

The Disney worlds in Days are far worse than KH2. For me, the missions vary from Unimportant to Unnecessary pain in my ass. (Ex, what was the point of the blobs?) Yes, Org members were supposed to be hidden, but S-E could've expanded on that and we could've been privy to more behind-the-scenes stuff. We're not interrupting anything this time around, so why not have the worlds playing out like their respective movies? Why not have Roxas see Sally sneaking out to see Jack or Alice chasing the White Rabbit or Pan rescuing Wendy. Give us something that doesn't make these worlds completely pointless. And btw, where the hell was Pan? His absence irked me.

Here's an idea: since we're going around to worlds and not really doing anything, why doesn't Roxas venture to Atlantica, but when Ariel is on shore and trying to woo Prince Eric? They get interrupted like 20 times, the Org can be why they get interrupted. Just a thought.

Also, instead of running around randomly, why not go to worlds where the Org pops up in KH2? Go with Luxord to Port Royal, Demyx to the underworld, etc & so forth. Half of Days should of written itself.

Xion's existence annoys the crap out of me. Right now I see her as completely pointless. We wasted a game on a character that goes back where she came from and no one remembers. That's almost as bad as the ~It was all a dream~ senario. In my book all she did was change the plot, not add anything to it. Also Xion's interaction with Riku annoyed me. When Riku was giving her a choice I had a feeling Xion was going to be selfish and choose her friends over Sora and thus forcing Riku to take her forcibly. That's what should have happened. What happened instead I feel was Disney's influence. In Disney's world all the protagonists are good and do the right thing. Yes, how sweet and kind it was of Riku to give Xion a choice and isn't it wonderful she did the right thing because of it. *gag*

Which brings me to Riku. I'm glad Riku wanted to help Sora so badly he was willing to let a girl he just met choose her own fate. Why he wasn't kicking ass and taking names is beyond me. It wouldn't have taken a year to repair Sora's memory if Riku had stopped being emo long enough to get something done. Sora's progress was starting to slow at the beginning of the game. Why did it take until the end for DiZ to finally order Riku to do something? And why did Riku need to be told to do something he should have already been doing? Twice, not once but twice, he had the perfect opportunity to capture Xion and both times he let her go.

The last thing I'm gonna say is I wanted a Roxas game. What I got instead was a Xion game seen more or less through Roxas' POV. Xion wouldnt have been so bad, imo, if it was half Roxas/half Xion.

I love you for this. Seriously, this post pretty much sums up every reason for the Xion hate club's existence. <3 And why the Xion HC doubles as a Days HC sometimes.
I wish I could stick this into my signature. ;_;

 

[Smile]

I think people are missing quite a bit of Riku's own issues that go beyond the whole "need to save Sora" bit. Especially when both Roxas and Xion have faces that belong to the people precious to Riku. And then we have Riku understanding what Xion was when they first met, which, in light of his run-in with Repliku, would no doubt have affected his decision making on that front too.
I think the biggest issue here is that we didn't get to see enough of his insight as unlike with the Org, poor Namine, Diz and Riku didn't get their own secret reports to show us even glimpses of what went on through their heads. It was Riku and Xion fighting, and then Riku basically cradling Xion in his arms and caressing her face and then hugging her when she woke up. We've no idea what went on through his mind which is something that irks me, especially seeing how they're supposed to have spent a whole month together but we got none of that. Just that, presumably, Riku had enough of a reason to waste even more time staying around with her.
Personally, I think he had more than enough in light of his background, knowing what he did about Xion's existence, and on top of it all the face she ended up appearing to him with (which might actually have been Sora's at times, who knows how messed up what they showed us compared with what people saw goes, as if anyone's liable to see Sora in Xion, imo, it's Riku). But I agree that them not showing us anything either which way is annoying, and is something Days was as lacking in as KH2 :v

Also, about it taking them so freaking long.
Riku didn't show up until quite a bit into the year. That already wasted about half a year so saying things like "they should've went after Roxas on day 70" is redundant because they couldn't. They only had Diz and Namine with Riku being either with Mickey and away or on his lonesome, getting his blindfold. So the time span in which action could've been taken was actually still wide but a lot less so than people make it seem in here.

 

[Sephora]

I just realized I forgot that the year gap was before Days, not because of it. Whoops. But still.

Actually I assumed Riku saw Sora. So I sort of kinda understand his hesitation but I'm still aggravated it took that long to do something.

It's what bad fanfic writers do. They can't be bothered to actually play with the existing things in the universe (eg Disney), and work on developing the existing characters (eg the Org), so they put a shiny OC in the middle that they can do whatever they want with, and turn the other characters into caricatures that revolve around the OC and her tragedy, which are meant to serve as the entire plot.

THIS.

I'm also tempted to go on a handheld rant but I won't other than to say that putting CoM, BBS and Days on handhelds is stupid. It's probably quicker and cheaper, but ultimately not worth it. Take CoM. Started life on GBA, got switched to PS2 a couple years later. Coded: started life on mobiles, is now being converted to DS. I won't be surprised if BBS makes it to PS3 down the road. Sacrificing a better story to conserve space is a bad decision. One of many.The people at S-E need to smacked upside the head.

They actually went to pick the KH novel author

*facepalm*

I always thought Roxas was highly guarded by the Organization, to the point that even Diz had to make the Data Twilight Town so they won't interfere (or so he said so in KH2). Capturing was difficult, I would think, especially if they get thwarted, and Roxas was their most prized possession as the only Keyblade wielder. Meaning the Organization would try harder. Granted, since 358/2 Days came out, that sensible idea went to drown in the toilet like everything else. But I honestly would have preferred more clashes between Diz/Riku vs. Roxas/Organization XIII - these clashes, among his experiences in Disney worlds, the lies...more so with Axel, constant dreams of Sora, possible Ventus connections or Xemnas connections, or both, and all the questions would set up Roxas to finally give the F U.

Given the fact that this game spans an entire year, you'd think everyone would constantly be clashing.

Another problem with Xion is I feel she made Roxas less "special". For someone supposedly so important to the Organization in KHII, they really didn't care about him in Days. In fact at one point they basically tried to kill him. Like wth? Though that sets up KHII nicely, since they send Axel to either retrieve him or kill him. Which again is wtf. I think I missed the point of that because wouldn't destroying Roxas prohibit Sora from waking thus putting them at a standstill? >__>

What kind of importance, though?

Honestly, I have no idea. I can't come up with anything, try as I might.

 

[Smile]

Another problem with Xion is I feel she made Roxas less "special". For someone supposedly so important to the Organization in KHII, they really didn't care about him in Days. In fact at one point they basically tried to kill him. Like wth?

They were willing to off both Roxas and Sora in KH2. They still had Riku with his potential running around and of course, Mickey. While Sora was an easy option due to them having Namine as their pawn at one point and Roxas as a member, it's not like Roxas was their one and only means of getting Hearts. And if he already wasn't the only one, or rather BECAUSE he was their only one, they'd want to get their paws on as many as possible.
In that aspect, the replica program makes too much sense, especially when we keep in mind that hey - they replica'd Riku too. Durr.

Honestly, I have no idea. I can't come up with anything, try as I might.

So far it seems she's one of the people whose torment Sora needs to end.
In which case she's just like Terra, Aqua and Ven.

 

[Sephora]

They were willing to off both Roxas and Sora in KH2. They still had Riku with his potential running around and of course, Mickey. While Sora was an easy option due to them having Namine as their pawn at one point and Roxas as a member, it's not like Roxas was their one and only means of getting Hearts. And if he already wasn't the only one, or rather BECAUSE he was their only one, they'd want to get their paws on as many as possible.
In that aspect, the replica program makes too much sense, especially when we keep in mind that hey - they replica'd Riku too. Durr
.

*facepalm* I knew that. My last post was the result of me completely confusing myself. o_o;;

 

[*TwilightNight*]

*facepalm*

...at least she's good at novel-ing? ^^;

Given the fact that this game spans an entire year, you'd think everyone would constantly be clashing.

Another problem with Xion is I feel she made Roxas less "special". For someone supposedly so important to the Organization in KHII, they really didn't care about him in Days. In fact at one point they basically tried to kill him. Like wth? Though that sets up KHII nicely, since they send Axel to either retrieve him or kill him. Which again is wtf. I think I missed the point of that because wouldn't destroying Roxas prohibit Sora from waking thus putting them at a standstill? >__>

Well, we don't really know what would happen to Roxas if he's "destroyed". He can possibly just go back to where he belongs. But you got a point: unless they knew what would occur if they did, it was quite a risk. Roxas was, past tense, their obedient puppet for a while. He was taken in with them the moment he was born and grew there. By KH2, it was a lost cause as he wasn't that any longer. I guess since they couldn't have Roxas either way, it didn't matter, though it placed them in a tight situation. So if they have a chance to have him returned, might as well. Then you have Axel pulling strings at the same time to emphasize that idea, as we saw in KH2: FM+. Then when things turned out alright in the end, they decided to use Sora. They weren't planning to off him until KH was completed, actually. And no order was made to until the Xemnas and Saïx scene in TWTNW. Sora found out what they were up to, but he was also aware that he couldn't just stop killing Heartless either. I think the Organization were going with the flow: it seems pretty much that their plans kept changing as events went about.

CoM's technically what makes Sora and Riku unavailable in that year to be their full puppet: Riku in meeting the members personally and knowing what they were all about, and Sora having that experience x10 and going into a coma. Mickey...I'll just say good luck to them in pulling his strings, lol. And, despite that they didn't work for them, you did have Riku and Mickey running around and protecting themselves killing enemies (Heartless or otherwise). Roxas just made things go faster. Having a heart harvester in him was a good gift they didn't expect. The game, nor anyone in Organization XIII, ever mentioned having problems at the rate Roxas killed Heartless enough to create anything else to help. Roxas was their "faster rate". 358/2 Days nor Xion weren't planned back then, and KH was just peachy by KH2.

And if they knew what happened in Castle Oblivion, they will be aware of replicas and their soon to be own decisions if they are sentient beings not to take the risk in using them (so, really, it's what they decide, makes sense why they wouldn't go with it. And if they did, it was a wild card that they should have been smart enough to know). The failure is a red alert. Not to mention I always thought it was Vexen's own idea in that particular moment in time just so they can combat "Marluxia's Sora". I wish I paid more attention to what the basement trio were planning.

Honestly, I have no idea. I can't come up with anything, try as I might.

Me either: unless her memories have anything valuable (and they don't have ties to the overall greater plot like the rest do unless her memories suddenly have some code). It was really just Sora's memories and his connections.

 

[Smile]

I still hold for Xion-Riku relations going by Snarl of Memories. And although that might give her importance as far as explaining things go... well, that's basically what TAV are important for at the moment too, for the most part, so I fail to see why people are complaining about Xion.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

I still hold for Xion-Riku relations going by Snarl of Memories. And although that might give her importance as far as explaining things go... well, that's basically what TAV are important for at the moment too, for the most part, so I fail to see why people are complaining about Xion.

I honestly just thought that since Xion was a memory being connected to Sora, and having Roxas there at the same time who's also connected to Sora, caused some sort of affect. Riku being who he is...

Don't know much about it either, since I'm not spoiling myself on BBS any more than I have to, but apparently with TAV, it's more complicated than that *shrug*.