Was it Xehanort or Xemnas who banished Ansem the Wise

[Samhain]

its kinda confusing. the time line

1 said Xehanort banished AtW to the Realm of Darkness

another said Xemnas banished AtW to the Realm of Nothingness
i think the latter is, right? AtW said he was in the realm of nothingness. question though. why did Ansem say in Blank Points that this was his "3rd time" in the realm of darkness? first time was..when? when he was Diz? 2nd time was when his machine took him there. 3rd time was???

And how would Xehanort banish AtW if he was a weakling with no powers at the time.

the time line is so damn confusing!
so..did Xehanort and his apprentices seal the lab after ansem told them to? THEN later they turned themselves into heartless and nobodies, THEN Xemnas came and banished Ansem the Wise right???

YouTube - Xehanort - Apprentice

another question. in this scene king mickey and AtW are talking about the heartless. that means they exist in the Realm of Light at the time. so does this mean this is AFTER Xehanort created the heartless in the Realm of Light but BEFORE he created the emblem heartless? if the heartless were made already..why isn't Radiant Garden destroyed yet?

 

[Crystal]

I thought it was the second time Ansem The Wise had been in Realm of Darkness, which stated in BBS Blank Point.

 

[King_Sora_1991]

IDK. I get so confused in this game series but I'm still a fan and i enjoy playing KH games

 

[El Coqu?]

while falling into Darkness Xehanort and the Apprentices banished AtW before spliting into Heartless and Nobodies

 

[Nayru's Love]

1 said Xehanort banished AtW to the Realm of Darkness

I take it that it was Xehanort who banished him. According to the SARs, it was only later that AtW found out about Org. XIII.

another said Xemnas banished AtW to the Realm of Nothingness

Perhaps that was just Xigbar referring to Xehanort as Xemnas out of respect or something.

i think the latter is, right? AtW said he was in the realm of nothingness. question though. why did Ansem say in Blank Points that this was his "3rd time" in the realm of darkness? first time was..when? when he was Diz? 2nd time was when his machine took him there. 3rd time was???

English version says he's been to the RoD twice. That, or he's been to the Dark Margin twice, and the RoD once...I dunno

And how would Xehanort banish AtW if he was a weakling with no powers at the time.

He was experimenting with the powers of darkness at the time, IIRC.

Never thought about this before; I'm just as confused as you are.

 

[Absolute]

This is why I'm hoping so much that BBS2 will cover the time from the end of BBS to the start of KHI and FINALLY lay-out the whole Xehanort Apprentice story right in front of us instead of bits and pieces like before.

 

[Samhain]

but Xehanort could not have banished AtW to the Realm of darkness?
in the SaR Ansem said he's in the Realm of NOTHINGNESS????

that means it was XEMNAS? because nothingness = nobodies
darkness = heartless
didnt Xigbar say the first thing XEMNAS did when he BANISHED our wise but bothersome leader was remove the seal in the lab and construct a room which is the room of sleep and it has nobody symbols. that means Xemnas made the Room of Sleep when they were nobodies so that means Xemnas banished AtW to the Realm of Nothingness?

goddamn it, this is so confusing!

 

[Samhain]

another question:
where the hell did Xehanort's Heartless go then????

did he just come back to Radiant Garden and saw Xemnas and left?

 

[Nayru's Love]

but Xehanort could not have banished AtW to the Realm of darkness?
in the SaR Ansem said he's in the Realm of NOTHINGNESS????

He probably got banished to the RoN...and his trip to the RoD/Dark Margin was unrelated.

didnt Xigbar say the first thing XEMNAS did when he BANISHED our wise but bothersome leader was remove the seal in the lab and construct a room which is the room of sleep and it has nobody symbols. that means Xemnas made the Room of Sleep when they were nobodies so that means Xemnas banished AtW to the Realm of Nothingness?

Like I said, Xigbar could have been referring to Xehanort while saying Xemnas' name, perhaps out of habit or respect.

another question:
where the hell did Xehanort's Heartless go then????

did he just come back to Radiant Garden and saw Xemnas and left?

XH probably never left the RoL to begin with. As for Xemnas, he probably stayed in the RoN.

 

[Samhain]

i think Xemnas banished AtW. remember when Xigbar was like

"Xemnas....no. Xehanort was found by Ansem the Wise at the time, was he not?"

Xigbar is the ONLY guy who calls Xemnas, Xehanort
so im pretty sure Xigbar says Xemnas as a nobody did it, not Xehanort. he even uses both names.

 

[sora364]

...I am pretty confident it was Xehanort who did the "banishing."

 

[Chuman]

Apprentice Xehanort with the other Apprentices helping him. He probably didn't need them though.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Yeah, I can see where you're going with this one...Can't say much about it, really. :/

 

[Samhain]

...I am pretty confident it was Xehanort who did the "banishing."

thing is though as you can see Xigbar says Xemnas AND Xehanort. its not out of respect. Xigbar knows what hes talking about
if he said "the first thing XEHANORT did"
that means Xehanort, when still human did. But he said the first thing XEMNAS did AFTER he banished AtW was to create the room of sleep and the room of sleep has nobody emblems. how could it have been Xehanort if Xehanort had no idea nobodies even existed in the first place? hell, his heartless even questioned their existence. he didn't know.

 

[chasespicer056]

Considering the fact that Ansem KNEW they became Nobodies, that alone means he was banished by Xemnas.

 

[Chuman]

Considering the fact that Ansem KNEW they became Nobodies, that alone means he was banished by Xemnas.

Hm......... Your right. I wasn't thinking of that.

 

[sora364]

thing is though as you can see Xigbar says Xemnas AND Xehanort. its not out of respect. Xigbar knows what hes talking about
if he said "the first thing XEHANORT did"
that means Xehanort, when still human did. But he said the first thing XEMNAS did AFTER he banished AtW was to create the room of sleep and the room of sleep has nobody emblems. how could it have been Xehanort if Xehanort had no idea nobodies even existed in the first place? hell, his heartless even questioned their existence. he didn't know.

I am well assured he is using the names "Xemnas" and "Xehanort" interchangably/synomymously-this is the very same rhetoric Ansem the Wise deploys when addressing Xemnas as Xehanort. I believe you are overanalyzing this. My evidence:

Ansem Report 6

It is likely Xehanort and the others were enraptured by this power, eventually becoming its prisoners. I do not intend to allow my heart to be devoured by the darkness, as they did, of course. With this new power, I uncovered a "corridor of darkness" that connects the realm of nothingness to the outside world. While it is still difficult to come and go as I please, my banishment is now a thing of the past. To deceive Xehanort and my apprentices, I first used my power to change form before returning to the realm of light. As I had suspected, Xehanort had become a Heartless.

Upon his return, Xehanort had only recently degraded into a Heartless: consequently meaning Xemnas could not have existed at the time prior to his banishing.

In Ansem Report 7, he subsequently speaks on Nobodies and Org. XIII. immediately after his discovery of XH.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Considering the fact that Ansem KNEW they became Nobodies, that alone means he was banished by Xemnas.

He knew they plunged into the darkness, but he didn't indicate any knowledge of Org. XIII/Nobodies until later.

 

[sora364]

He knew they plunged into the darkness, but he didn't indicate any knowledge of Org. XIII/Nobodies until later.

Exactly as I clarified in my aforementioned post. It was Xehanort, not Xemnas. Xemnas had not been created at the time.

 

[Samhain]

see that makes no sense whatsoever

first of all if Ansem the Wise was banished to the Realm of Nothingness that means he was banished by someone who had powers of nothingness or being a nobody AKA Xemnas
there is no way Xehanort banished AtW

first of all, what power? even if it was darkness he couldnt just banish him to the realm of nothingness if hes not even a nobody? if atw was banished to the realm of darkness then i'll see your point.

but see.the whole thing Xigbar said is XEMNAS constructed the room of sleep which is filled with NOBODY emblems
why are people overlooking this? the room of sleep is with nobody emblems. this means they constructed the room when they were NOBODIES and that means XEMNAS banished ansem the wise because he said

"The first thing xemnas did AFTER he BANISHED our wise but bothersome leader was to release the seal and construct a room deep in the lab"
that alone proves Xemnas banished him not Xehanort