Tea Party Patriots

[burnley95]

Discussion of the Tea Party Patriots------
I am not one of these "patriots", I just want to discuss what they say, do, and believe.
I personally think they are ignorant and are not educated enough/brainwashed by media.

 

[Azrael]

Discussion of the Tea Party Patriots------
I am not one of these "patriots", I just want to discuss what they say, do, and believe.
I personally think they are ignorant and are not educated enough/brainwashed by media.

In one point I can see where they come from but a vocal minority within them has put them in a negative light to be disregarded by anyone who isn't a fringe conservative.

 

[chasespicer056]

Discussion of the Tea Party Patriots------
I am not one of these "patriots", I just want to discuss what they say, do, and believe.
I personally think they are ignorant and are not educated enough/brainwashed by media.

It seems to be a mix of both I think. I've seen videos of well-informed Tea Party members, and I've seen clips of a few people who kept calling Obama "Osama". It seems that most of them are fairly informed and concerned, however.

As far as their beliefs go, many of them just want to reduce corruption in Washington (that's pretty difficult to do, but you never know). Others are completely fed up with Obama and his administration.

 

[Reflection]

ahahahaha they are funny i giggle at them :3

 

[chasespicer056]

ahahahaha they are funny i giggle at them :3

Hahaha hoho hehe ha...and i thought my jokes were bad.

You do realize that some of them are well-informed and truly care about the corruption in this country, don't you?

 

[Penance]

Hahaha hoho hehe ha...and i thought my jokes were bad.

You do realize that some of them are well-informed and truly care about the corruption in this country, don't you?

They need a new PR person if that's the case, because "Obama is the Anti-Christ" isn't cutting it.

 

[Reflection]

You do realize that some of them are well-informed and truly care about the corruption in this country, don't you?

ok where are those people then, cause i don't see them anywhere

 

[chasespicer056]

ok where are those people then, cause i don't see them anywhere

Augh...you can't rely on anyone these days...gotta do everything yourself, don't we?

Anyway, here's the link. CLICK THIS

They need a new PR person if that's the case, because "Obama is the Anti-Christ" isn't cutting it.

That statement is ridiculous, but not all of them say that. You have to understand that their image has really been skewed by the mainstream media simply because they're going after the current administration.

 

[Home bound]

The most ironic thing about this movement is the historical movement it's founded on. The reason original Boston Tea Party threw all those tea into the Boston Harbor was to protest tax cuts! These locals made taxes locally and were furious that the East Indian Company (which is equivalent to a multinational corporation at that time) got tax cuts from the British government. So these tea partiers adopted their name and protest high taxes which ends up helping corporations in our time. These people are so misguided.

 

[Apollo]

I agree with Elle, they are very fun to laugh at.

Anyway, here's the link. CLICK THIS

What's your point? She was very laughable. My favorite part was towards the end when she started acting childish.

 

[Mizu the Apple]

That statement is ridiculous, but not all of them say that. You have to understand that their image has really been skewed by the mainstream media simply because they're going after the current administration.

Ok, then. Tell me a legitamate reason for not wanting to pay taxes for certain things because you don't want toe government controlling your money, even if it doesn't concern you. Because I've been hearing those arguments constantly in tea party crowds, and when asked for a reason, they only gave me illogical ones. Surely, you can give me one that wouldn't involve haranguing Obama and the purpose of the tax system via government, can't you?

 

[Phoenix]

It seems very convenient that this anti-government control movement arises during a Democratic administration. Where were day these past 8 years? Like Stewart says, some conservatives confuse "tyranny" with "losing an election".

 

[chasespicer056]

Ok, then. Tell me a legitamate reason for not wanting to pay taxes for certain things because you don't want toe government controlling your money, even if it doesn't concern you. Because I've been hearing those arguments constantly in tea party crowds, and when asked for a reason, they only gave me illogical ones. Surely, you can give me one that wouldn't involve haranguing Obama and the purpose of the tax system via government, can't you?

Just realized you quoted my comment.

The purpose of the tax system via government? It's not a question of should the government tax you. It's a question of how much and for what purpose. The government NEEDS to tax you to some degree. There are basically three ways the government earns money: printing it, selling bonds, and raising taxes. Printing it can lead to inflation, and we owe enough money to China due to our bonds that they have bought. Thus, taxes are usually the way to go when the government needs more cash.

Now, as for why these tea partiers are protesting, I'll do my best to give legitimate arguments. Many of them were protesting the bailouts. Regardless of if the stimulus packages will or won't get us out of this recession, the bills had quite a bit of unnecessary government spending. For example, in one of the bills, several million dollars were donated to a buffalo reservation in Idaho. I don't think that's necessary.

Some of the tea partiers also opposed being "forced" to buy healthcare. Isn't it a little harsh to be fined a $695 annual fee if you choose not to buy it? That's basically paying for something you don't even benefit from.

But you specifically asked why tea partiers protest taxes. What do you mean by "even if it doesn't concern you"? Do you mean "even if it doesn't affect you"? They simply don't want their tax money to be put towards programs like the Democrats' health care plans or the upcoming Cap and Trade bill, which is going to hugely increase our electricity cost.

If you want something more specific, just reply and I'll do my best to answer.

It seems very convenient that this anti-government control movement arises during a Democratic administration. Where were day these past 8 years? Like Stewart says, some conservatives confuse "tyranny" with "losing an election".

Not everyone wanted McCain to win. Just look at Glenn Beck and how he criticizes his policies to this day. Many of the conservatives who did were considering him the lesser of two evils.

 

[Phoenix]

Just realized you quoted my comment.

The purpose of the tax system via government? It's not a question of should the government tax you. It's a question of how much and for what purpose. The government NEEDS to tax you to some degree. There are basically three ways the government earns money: printing it, selling bonds, and raising taxes. Printing it can lead to inflation, and we owe enough money to China due to our bonds that they have bought. Thus, taxes are usually the way to go when the government needs more cash.

Now, as for why these tea partiers are protesting, I'll do my best to give legitimate arguments. Many of them were protesting the bailouts. Regardless of if the stimulus packages will or won't get us out of this recession, the bills had quite a bit of unnecessary government spending. For example, in one of the bills, several million dollars were donated to a buffalo reservation in Idaho. I don't think that's necessary.

Complaining about a few million dollars in bills that deal with billions of them is like complaining about paying 3 dollars more on a product that cost you 150 dollars.

Nevertheless, yes, protecting endangered species is pretty necessary.

Some of the tea partiers also opposed being "forced" to buy healthcare. Isn't it a little harsh to be fined a $695 annual fee if you choose not to buy it? That's basically paying for something you don't even benefit from.

If you don't have it and you get in an accident, we kind of need to pay for you if you don't have healthcare.

But you specifically asked why tea partiers protest taxes. What do you mean by "even if it doesn't concern you"? Do you mean "even if it doesn't affect you"? They simply don't want their tax money to be put towards programs like the Democrats' health care plans or the upcoming Cap and Trade bill, which is going to hugely increase our electricity cost.

If you want something more specific, just reply and I'll do my best to answer.

Not everyone wanted McCain to win. Just look at Glenn Beck and how he criticizes his policies to this day. Many of the conservatives who did were considering him the lesser of two evils.

You didn't answer this question, though. Where was the outrage under Bush? Where were the Tea Partiers under the administration that took the USA from a surplus into a deficit? Like he said, very convenient that the "too much spending" complaints are being made now, and not in the last 8 years.

Also, McCain never considered himself a maverick. Just wanted to share that.

 

[chasespicer056]

Complaining about a few million dollars in bills that deal with billions of them is like complaining about paying 3 dollars more on a product that cost you 150 dollars.

Well relatively speaking or not, it's still millions of dollars. And why do we need to save all these endangered species anyway? Let nature serve it's course. The buffalo aren't a vital part of our society, ESPECIALLY when you compare their role in ours to their role in the Indians.

If you don't have it and you get in an accident, we kind of need to pay for you if you don't have healthcare.

And when that happens, other people are forced to help pay towards that person's operation. I'm in agreement with you on that. But is there really a necessity for a fine?

You didn't answer this question, though. Where was the outrage under Bush? Where were the Tea Partiers under the administration that took the USA from a surplus into a deficit? Like he said, very convenient that the "too much spending" complaints are being made now, and not in the last 8 years.

Also, McCain never considered himself a maverick. Just wanted to share that.

Alright, I didn't realize I hadn't really answered it. I'm not trying to beat around the bush here.

You're right, Bush did do a huge amount of spending and increased the deficit. I wasn't aware that he turned us from a surplus into a deficit though. Learn something everyday I guess.

However, in a little more than one year, President Obama and his administration have spent about half as much as Bush did throughout his two terms.

In fact, people were projecting he'd be spending this much a while ago. CLICK HERE for a graph showing what people were projecting he'd spend.

Now CLICK HERE for what he actually spent.

Many of these protesters were being shaken up since the campaign. Leading up to the 2008 election, revelations of Marxist influences on Obama were being revealed, and even more were revealed after the election. Thus, people began to fear that Obama was anything from a socialist to a communist (as of yet he's only shown himself to be an interventionist). So yeah, a lot of these people are afraid of what the administration might do, not just their spending.

As for the McCain comment, I'll be fair. According to THIS LINK, at the times he's voted, he's voted with Republicans about 92% of the time. So he's not really a Maverick, even though he holds liberal views.

If you want to continuing discussing this sort of stuff, feel free to respond.

 

[Square Ninja]

Well relatively speaking or not, it's still millions of dollars. And why do we need to save all these endangered species anyway? Let nature serve it's course. The buffalo aren't a vital part of our society, ESPECIALLY when you compare their role in ours to their role in the Indians.

...because it can start a chain reaction that could be devastating to the environment. Christ kid, didn't you ever study wildlife ecology?

 

[Phoenix]

Well relatively speaking or not, it's still millions of dollars. And why do we need to save all these endangered species anyway? Let nature serve it's course. The buffalo aren't a vital part of our society, ESPECIALLY when you compare their role in ours to their role in the Indians.

Like SN said, we kind of need to keep a balance if we don't want nature to fall apart on us. Even if you don't completely agree with it, such a small part of the bill for something that can be so crucial; why would anyone be against it?

And when that happens, other people are forced to help pay towards that person's operation. I'm in agreement with you on that. But is there really a necessity for a fine?

Yes. If a person has the temerity to assume that other people should pay for his health problems, yet not be willing to pay a single dime himself, then a fine seems like a reasonable response.

However, this is not about fairness. Simply put, if everyone has health insurance, it's easier on all of us. If even one person doesn't have it, then we have to pick up the slack for him.

You're right, Bush did do a huge amount of spending and increased the deficit. I wasn't aware that he turned us from a surplus into a deficit though. Learn something everyday I guess.

However, in a little more than one year, President Obama and his administration have spent about half as much as Bush did throughout his two terms.

In fact, people were projecting he'd be spending this much a while ago. CLICK HERE for a graph showing what people were projecting he'd spend.

Now CLICK HERE for what he actually spent.

There's a difference between spending to restart the economy, and spending to wage war. Again, regardless of who spent what, we can all agree that Bush spent a lot. These people complaining now, where were they back then? Why is it that they're crying foul *now*? Don't tell me it's because Obama's spending more; ask any Tea Partier how much did Obama and Bush spend, and I'll guarantee you he won't know. This outrage, where was it when Iraq was invaded, or when forces were being kept there indefinitely?

Many of these protesters were being shaken up since the campaign. Leading up to the 2008 election, revelations of Marxist influences on Obama were being revealed, and even more were revealed after the election. Thus, people began to fear that Obama was anything from a socialist to a communist (as of yet he's only shown himself to be an interventionist). So yeah, a lot of these people are afraid of what the administration might do, not just their spending.

Then those people are stupid. Couple of reasons why. First of all, Obama has shown himself to be a pretty strong capitalist (remember how he gave money to the banks?). Secondly, people who accuse Obama of marxism, communism or socialism have no idea what any of those terms mean. Finally, people that use "socialism" as an insult must be really isolated, since Canada, most of Europe and others live quite happily on a mix of capitalism and socialism. I dare say that's the best economic system we have today.

What those people have to realize is that they lost the election. Even if you disagree with someone's policies, he won through a democratic process (the same process through which Bush won). If his decisions prove unpopular, you'll have a chance to vote him out of office in 2012. If they don't, and some still disagree, well too bad. That's democracy for you.

As for the McCain comment, I'll be fair. According to THIS LINK, at the times he's voted, he's voted with Republicans about 92% of the time. So he's not really a Maverick, even though he holds liberal views.

How do you reconcile those things? He has liberal views, yet votes conservative most of the time?

 

[Monkey]

I want to join in on this conversation but I don't even know where to start.

 

[Ulti]

Well relatively speaking or not, it's still millions of dollars. And why do we need to save all these endangered species anyway? Let nature serve it's course. The buffalo aren't a vital part of our society, ESPECIALLY when you compare their role in ours to their role in the Indians.

Considering us white folk went in and almost wiped out the buffalo, I don't think nature can help them on their own. Its called a history book and the act is reading one.

Hell, all endangered species are because we are fuckers. We are a terrible threat to these animals and we are realizing this.

 

[Rabgix]

I'm one of them. bama is trying to make us like Europe. And Right now Europe is crashing. Thats gonna be us in the future and greece is near the endpoint.