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On KH wiki it says "Riku manages to get a glimpse of Destiny Islands' Keyhole. From this day on Riku became obsessed with finding out what lies beyond the door" and "Riku, likely unable to leave the islands without knowing the truth, opens the door in the secret place and the Heartless, beings of darkness, invade the islands, seeking out the world's heart."

But what I want to know is how he open the door? Even if he did see the keyhole he did not wield a keyblade at that stage so how did he plunge Destiny Islands into darkness without a keyblade to open the door?
 

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I don't think he did anything wrong at all. I think he just managed to see it on his own. I think that Ansem (Heartless) was the guy that interfered with Destiny Islands. Or the Heartless just started going after it on their own.
 

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Well I kinda thought that maybe Ansem's heartless is the one who interfered but in COM everyone says its riku's fault. And it couldn't be the heartless cause they werent there before the door was opened.
 

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Well I kinda thought that maybe Ansem's heartless is the one who interfered but in COM everyone says its riku's fault. And it couldn't be the heartless cause they werent there before the door was opened.

Those are just images that manifest themselves through Riku's conscience. Remember that Castle Oblivion only works off of the individual's memory. In the context of Riku, he remembers his failure as a friend. This guilt probably managed to express itself when he ran into Tidus, Wakka, and Selphie's opinion of him.

At the same time, Destiny Islands is where you take on Zexion. Because Zexion can create false imags of things (when he had a fals Sora attack Riku) those images of Tidus, Wakka, and Selphie could've just been the convicting voice of Zexion.
 

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Riku destroyed the islands, not Ansem SoD.
It was a great part of the guilt that Riku felt and what he worked to atone for.
 

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Riku destroyed the islands, not Ansem SoD.
It was a great part of the guilt that Riku felt and what he worked to atone for.

But How?? How did he open the door which led to the world's Heart which the heartless consumed therefore plunging DI into darkness. He didnt have a keyblade at that point so I dont see how he could have opened the door.
 

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But How?? How did he open the door which led to the world's Heart which the heartless consumed therefore plunging DI into darkness. He didnt have a keyblade at that point so I dont see how he could have opened the door.

Riku's heart plunging into darkness attracted the heartless to the islands, just like Clayton attracted the heartless to deep jungle.
Sora had to lock doors in worlds in order to prevent the heartless from devouring the worlds hearts.
The doors to world's hearts were all open during the time of KH 1 and once the heartless were lead to a world they would consume it. The keyhole of Destiny Islands didn't get locked so the heartless had access without problems.
 

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Riku's heart plunging into darkness attracted the heartless to the islands, just like Clayton attracted the heartless to deep jungle.
Sora had to lock doors in worlds in order to prevent the heartless from devouring the worlds hearts.
The doors to world's hearts were all open during the time of KH 1 and once the heartless were lead to a world they would consume it. The keyhole of Destiny Islands didn't get locked so the heartless had access without problems.

That TOTALLY makes sense. Thank u Thank u Thank u :D

But could u just remind me how did all the doors to worlds hearts get opened. I know during Sora went to lock them all but how did they originally open?
 

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That TOTALLY makes sense. Thank u Thank u Thank u :D

But could u just remind me how did all the doors to worlds hearts get opened. I know during Sora went to lock them all but how did they originally open?

Ansem the Wise and Apprentice Xehanort messing up badly in their experiments. ;)
To to be more specific, Xehanort opening the door to the heart of Radiant Garden (the capital of light!), destroying the borders between worlds and enabling the heartless to enter the Realm of Light on their own accord.
At the time of BBS, heartless could only be summoned in small numbers from the RoD by extremely skilled darksiders like Master Xehanort.
 

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Ansem the Wise and Apprentice Xehanort messing up badly in their experiments. ;)
To to be more specific, Xehanort opening the door to the heart of Radiant Garden (the capital of light!), destroying the borders between worlds and enabling the heartless to enter the Realm of Light on their own accord.
At the time of BBS, heartless could only be summoned in small numbers from the RoD by extremely skilled darksiders like Master Xehanort.

That all makes sense and Im assuming when the borders between worlds were destroyed Heartless were summoned a lot more easily and could enter in whenever they wanted. And is that official that Radiant Garden is the capital of light?
 
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The keyhole of Destiny Islands didn't get locked so the heartless had access without problems.

Then why were there no heartless on the islands before? Before the darkness took over, it was a world protected and isolated by light, wasn't it? That's why it was impossible for anyone to go inside or outside of that world. It's just that it overflowed with darkness once it was opened.

I should refresh my memory on this.
 
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Then why were there no heartless on the islands before? Before the darkness took over, it was a world protected and isolated by light, wasn't it? That's why it was impossible for anyone to go inside or outside of that world. It's just that it overflowed with darkness once it was opened.

I should refresh my memory on this.

There were no heartless cause no one at that point had accpeted the darkness in their hearts but as Sephiroth0812 said "Riku's heart plunging into darkness attracted the heartless to the islands, just like Clayton attracted the heartless to deep jungle." and technically people could have left the island as the borders had been broken but they had no way to do so e.g. gummi ship.
 

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That's why it was impossible for anyone to go inside or outside of that world.
Except, Kairi. She came to Destiny Islands with the meteor shower, indicating that the world barrier had been broken down. This was pre-KH, obviously, so the world had been vulnerable for some time. I think it's as the others are saying; the Heartless simply hadn't been attracted to the world yet because there was no significant source of darkness there. Ansem SoD was also directing the Heartless's actions to an extent, so he was probably targeting other worlds, such as the Princesses of Hearts', and Kairi's was the last on the list. He also knew who she was and might have wanted to observe the people around her for a time, since he had (as Xehanort) hypothesized she would be drawn to Keyblade wielder.
 

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The main reason she made it to DI was because of the spell Aqua put on her. She heart was pure light, so maybe she could break through the barrier of light that surrounded DI. That's why her arrival was so fascinating to the people there, and Riku.

If people could get in and out of that world, why couldn't Riku? Because nobody could, or tried. Opening the door on the islands really was the only way for him to get out. SRK can get out of the world now because of gummi ships. But this wouldn't have been possible if Riku had not opened the door.
 

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The main reason she made it to DI was because of the spell Aqua put on her. She heart was pure light, so maybe she could break through the barrier of light that surrounded DI. That's why her arrival was so fascinating to the people there, and Riku.
No; a meteor shower specifically (though perhaps not universally) entails that a world's barrier has broken down. That's where the Gummi Blocks come from. They're physical pieces of the world's barrier raining down (most likely, they're the actual "meteors" themselves).

Also, slightly tangential, but Kairi's necklace was enchanted by Aqua to help her find a strong light in case of danger. A Keyblade wielder's heart of light would be among the strongest, and she ended up near two of them, so technically Xehanort's hypothesis was still correct. Similarly, we know that when Kairi's body fell to darkness (or whatever happened to it), her heart survived because it was pure light, and it fled to Sora's familiar heart of light; so, again, Xehanort's hypothesis was proven, in a somewhat different manner.

If people could get in and out of that world, why couldn't Riku?
Because the best idea he had was building a raft to try to paddle across the ocean with a couple of buckets of mushrooms.

Because nobody could, or tried.
Nobody was interested. That's why Riku was so desperate to get away. That's why Xehanort was so desperate to get away. Nothing changes in that world. The people are content and anyone who isn't will feel smothered by it (probably also has to do with people who are unsettled by the darkness as opposed to being pacified by the light). Incidentally, Xehanort did find a way off the world, but it's not clear how. Also, if nobody could get on the Islands before Riku opened the door, how did Ansem SoD appear to speak with Sora?

Opening the door on the islands really was the only way for him to get out.
He just let himself fall into the darkness and it took him where it would via a Corridor of Darkness. The world was open so the CoD would have always worked, but before the Heartless attacked there was no darkness immediately available to utilize.

SRK can get out of the world now because of gummi ships.
Gummi ships are only one way to travel worlds. There are many, many others. None of the main characters left the world of Destiny Islands via Gummi Ship in KH1, anyhow.

But this wouldn't have been possible if Riku had not opened the door.
The door was already open. Riku couldn't have opened it in any case because he didn't have a Keyblade.
 
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The door was already open. Riku couldn't have opened it in any case because he didn't have a Keyblade.

It's been implied that he opened the door on DI. You can't do this unless you have a keyblade.

The theory= Ansem SoD sought Riku that night in the cave with the promise of seeing new worlds and getting off the islands. He introduced him to the keyblade and told him it would open the door, since he was the original chosen one. Which Riku complies, and summons the keyblade, or Ansem does it for him, so Riku could use it, even though he knows nothing about it that time. Only that it could open the door to get him out of there.

This might be why later he asks Sora when they reunite "So this is called a 'keyblade'?
Why Zexion outright stated that he destroyed the islands and opened the door to darkness.
Why he and Ansem SoD see each other on the destroyed islands, with a familiar smile and he creates a gateway for Riku in the Recocded flashback.

This has been an idea the series for a long while.


And you can't tell me no one else on the islands was interested in seeing the outside worlds.
Maybe they weren't as desperate as Riku and Xehnaort, but you can't say no one else was interested.

Again, Riku and Xehanort could and did because they are keyblade wielders.
 

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And you can't tell me no one else on the islands was interested in seeing the outside worlds.
Maybe they weren't as desperate as Riku and Xehnaort, but you can't say no one else was interested.

Again, Riku and Xehanort could and did because they are keyblade wielders.

Actually it can be said that no one on the islands was interested in seeing outside worlds, since no one was really supposed to know of any worlds outside their own. This has been stated. The only reason why Riku wanted to leave in KH1, was because he knew there were outside worlds.
Xehanort just despised Destiny Islands, for all we know.
 

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Actually it can be said that no one on the islands was interested in seeing outside worlds, since no one was really supposed to know of any worlds outside their own. This has been stated. The only reason why Riku wanted to leave in KH1, was because he knew there were outside worlds.
Xehanort just despised Destiny Islands, for all we know.

Indeed, most people don't even know that there are outside worlds.

Even of the SRK-Trio, Riku was the one most desperate to leave, for once because he most likely remembered his encounter with Terra (Nomur hinted he only kept it secret, while he forgot his encounter with Aqua just like Sora did) and secondly because of ambitions.

Xehanort, well, yes, he despised the islands because they couldn't fulfill his ambitions. If anything has remained constant through the whole series it is that having too great ambitions almost always leads into darkness.
 

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It's been implied that he opened the door on DI. You can't do this unless you have a keyblade.

The theory= Ansem SoD sought Riku that night in the cave with the promise of seeing new worlds and getting off the islands. He introduced him to the keyblade and told him it would open the door, since he was the original chosen one. Which Riku complies, and summons the keyblade, or Ansem does it for him, so Riku could use it, even though he knows nothing about it that time. Only that it could open the door to get him out of there.
How would Ansem SoD have introduced him to the Keyblade? Ansem SoD could not summon a Keyblade. Riku could not summon a Keyblade at that time. As speculation goes, it's fine, but this theory doesn't correlate with anything we know about the story thus far. It's also directly contradictory: if Riku opens the Door to DI the night of the storm because Ansem SoD showed him how to do it, thereby eliminating the wall between worlds that kept outsiders from coming in, but Ansem SoD is a foreigner to the Islands, how did he get on the Islands before Riku opened the Door in order to show Riku how to open the Door?

This might be why later he asks Sora when they reunite "So this is called a 'keyblade'?
Alternatively, the line makes much more sense if it's interpreted as the first time he's seen a Keyblade and he's extremely curious about it. He knew the name of it because Maleficent had told him what it was, but he had never seen one with his own eyes. Otherwise, why would he be marveling over it ?
Why Zexion outright stated that he destroyed the islands and opened the door to darkness.
First of all, Zexion was trying to get under Riku's skin and force him to submit to the darkness inside him; he would have lied about anything to that end. He isn't a credible source. Also, the door to darkness does not equate to the Door to Destiny Islands in any way. In KH, Ansem SoD tells Riku he "showed no fear in stepping through the door to darkness"; the term is used pretty loosely to talk about utilizing the darkness in any way, especially when one is first introduced to it. (I know The Door to Darkness is also an actual door.)
Why he and Ansem SoD see each other on the destroyed islands, with a familiar smile and he creates a gateway for Riku in the Recocded flashback.
It's not clear what the significance of that scene was. Riku didn't appear to be phased by Ansem SoD when they ran into each other in Hollow Bastion and Ansem coaxed Riku into allowing him to take over his body. It was probably just establishing that they were already familiar by that time.

And you can't tell me no one else on the islands was interested in seeing the outside worlds.
First of all, that was exactly Riku's frustration with the world. Very few people were curious about anything beyond their own small community. Secondly, Kairi and Sora were interested in seeing outside worlds, too, although not to the extent that Riku was. You're also being a bit hyperbolic about this; maybe a number of other people did want to see the outside world, but without a Gummi Ship or another means of travel through the Lanes Between they wouldn't have been able to do so regardless of the walls between worlds. There's nothing in this argument to prove the walls were in place.

Again, Riku and Xehanort could and did because they are keyblade wielders.
This may be true for Xehanort, but it doesn't coincide with what we know about Riku. Perhaps Nomura plans to retcon this into the story as well, but for now, there isn't a great deal of evidence to support it.
 
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