nope that's why they r called heartless lol
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That wouldn't make sense, though. The one that escapes and floats is the one that holds the feelings, spirit, memories [and the fact that the actual characters refer to this in the video, as proven with "kokoro", makes it permanent]. The real organ stays where it's suppose to be: inside.
If Nomura wanted it to be the organ-al heart, he would have used the correct Japanese character, shinzou. But no, we're talking of the metaphorical heart here. And this is what KH centers on.
Yeah, but there's a limit. Sora's human. Not some alien. A body cannot exist without blood.
So, Demyx didn't lie then?Pretty good answer
As far as we know they have all the organs a normal human has, but lack the ability to have emotions for the "KH heart".
In a sense they do have hearts, just not the ones that will let them have feelings.
He did lie, He was still talking about the emotional heart. He did it as a saving grace to protect the act he and the other Organization members are trying to pull in order to decieve there enemies by showing emotions. Which failed since we knew that they don't have emotion since they don't have hearts.So, Demyx didn't lie then?
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I was a little bit confused about the "organ heart" and the "emotional heart".He did lie, He was still talking about the emotional heart. He did it as a saving grace to protect the act he and the other Organization members are trying to pull in order to decieve there enemies by showing emotions. Which failed since we knew that they don't have emotion since they don't have hearts.
Them pulling this sort of thing would certainly be something KH-appropriate. Nobodies aren't human beings, after all. Their basic demand is to have the Body be ravaged by the Darkness - hence why Kairi dearest couldn't cast off one on her own.
Nobodies don't 'die' when you beat them up though. The Soul doesn't leave the Body when it should've for a normal human being. They instead fade into Darkness, not have the heart stop beating. They're hardly functioning as normal human bodies; why should their anatomy be the same as humans', especially when you consider the other types of Nobodies roaming around?
And can you say that Sora, as the Heart, would also need to have organs? He has the outside appearance of a human being, but he has no Body to 'back it up'.
KH uses metaphors for its reality and logic. You can't just say 'ok so we have the metaphor, and then we have the stuff that works like in our reality'.
A body also doesn't fade to Darkness when you beat it up, like I said before. It breaks up and dies. Nobodies don't follow that. How would you explain that if you say they're the human body as we know it?
So I have a question for you guys? Do the members of Organization XIII actally have hearts meaning the actual organ that pumps blood and circulates through out the body or do they not have one what so ever meaning no organ and no pulsating?
I know they don't have hearts when it comes to feelings and emotions, but what about pain and nerves and the actual human parts of the body such as all of the organs? So in otherwords is the anatomy of an organization member the same as a human or does it have some exceptions due to them being nobodies but with human appearance?
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Then pray tell, what is Sora made of? Gas? Where do tears come from? How do limbs move? Where do the muscles come from? The hair? Eyes? How did he grow?
How would you explain why Nomura didn't use the "organ heart" Japanese character, shinzou, to describe it then?
Case in point - Axel and Roxas eat, so they have to put the ice cream somewhere, which would be the stomach. In the Novels, it is described that Axel's ribs hurt. And hurt equals to nerves. Larxene and Naminé have boobs. They sleep.
But, we can safely say that they have human anatomy, which is what it's leading up to with all of this rounded.
Unless you can sort all that as something else?
As a Heart? How'd I know. But I don't see why, when we know that the Heart Unlocker is such a special weapon thingie that doesn't really work on the Body so much as on the Heart, you'd expect it to break Sora's ribs.
Because of the double meaning.
I'd like to see a Creeper Nobody sleep and eat. Or a Dusk enjoying a good sea salt ice cream. Then we can properly have this debate seriously.
Not really, no, we can't really know that :\
Yeah, old habits kicking in from when they were Somebodies, and having Hearts strong enough to leave those imprints on them.
Three characters in Japanese to use for certain aspects of the heart, and he gives a double meaning?
As I said, different make-up. We've seen it in heroes , shows, movies. They can stretch like rubber. Do the impossible. Does that make them less human and not have human anatomy even if they are from Earth? No. They just have a sort of change that allows what they already have to push the limits of reality.
In my opinion, we do.
And that has to do with them having Organs how?
Yes.
Yes, but they are human when it all comes down to it. Nobodies aren't.
So long as we have the basic understanding this is what this is all about.
That them eating isn't any indication whatsoever towards them having stomachs or a digestion system.
Faulty.
He would have used it shinzou, and have it be in the game that this means the exact thing as our English heart.
He didn't.
Not to mention, I'd like to find out how Organization XIII functions without brains. Even that is pushing it.
Not if it's made somewhat clear that this is the metaphorical heart they speak of instead of the organ.
Then where does it go? The ribs? The nerves that gives pain that I described? I mean, if I was eating something that didn't go anywhere, it would take much more than getting used to than not having a Heart, I'd say.
Well hello Nomura. Care to explain what went on through his mind for the rest of the series, too?
I'd like to know how Heartless function. Oh wait, they don't go by that sort of logic, I forgot.
To you. Which leads back to the matter of opinion.
Uh, the Darkness ate it?
Granted, I agree.
But I don't think is as far as Nomura screwing up and not knowing his own native language, and what to do with it.
Heartless are different.
Because they are made of nothing, all Darkness. They will be the exact "gas" part, only in form and shape.
Nobody is the Body and Soul.
Not only to me. Because it looks like the most probable as of the moment given what we've got.
See, that's the fun part
1) unless you wanna correct me, it's not your native language.
2) because it's his native language, he might not use it in the sense you'd expect him to. Japanese in particular love messing around with languages.
No, they're made from the Hearts. They're not nothing.
And a hell lot of Darkness.
Yet it's still debatable.
That's an intelligent counter-argument. You can't ignore that the Darkness can really mess things up in this matter.