Kingdom Hearts III Pre-Release Spoiler Discussion Thread

[U.N. Owen]

Since when is some dude's opinion EVIDENCE?!

In a court of law, a professional opinion can be admitted into evidence, but social media and forums are not courts of law nor is the leaker a professional critic. Seriously, IGN writes better spoiler-free reviews.

 

[Zettaflare]

This thread has become even worse than Kingdom Hearts II Atlantica.

The people who love the leaked impressions are silencing those who hated it, and the people who hated the leaked impressions are making a mockery of the people who are still excited for the game.

Let's reach for a compromise and be whelmed, or do what I've recommended earlier in which you respect other peoples impression, even if they go against your own. No opinion is objectively right here.

With so many conflicting opinions might be a bit too late for a compromise unfortunately. Honestly it's not too bad since no member has gone to the point of cussing out others and name calling. At least not now.

 

[Fatal Mode]

Let's take the guy's opinion out of it and focus on the facts

1: He breezed through areas with little effort. Clearly, the game is shorter than the other mainline titles. (Most of his time was spent idling, and yet areas took him 1.5 hours including the long cutscenes this title has)
2: He died only 4 times on proud mode on a game literally nobody on the planet has played yet
3: He has posted multiple videos that demonstrate the floatyness of the combat
4: I played the current build at Disney Springs two days ago and can confirm this is the case
5: No substantial side-content has been found yet


None of these 5 things take into account subjective statements by the leaker.



The nuance is that people who are bearish on the game are so because of what we have seen and what we know to be true, while people who are bullish on the game are so because of what we havn't seen and what MIGHT be true. This is a big distinction.

Hopefully no one's ever called Ice cream beat, Rumble Racing, the command board, or fruitball substantial.

Otherwise I have a subjective bone to pick with them.

 

[maximumlight8]

if none of you have never read IGN's KH2 review, you never should take reviews seriously till you play it yourself.

 

[sorawild]

This thread has become even worse than Kingdom Hearts II Atlantica.

The people who love the leaked impressions are silencing those who hated it, and the people who hated the leaked impressions are making a mockery of the people who are still excited for the game.

Let's reach for a compromise and be whelmed, or do what I've recommended earlier in which you respect other peoples impression, even if they go against your own. No opinion is objectively right here.

Yea, honestly /khg/ is the only KH related forum thats taking this well as they are just making meme's out of this. There are clear divisive opinions but they can at least joke about it and come to the conclusion that "We won't know until we play it".

 

[Perkilator]

I seriously think we should close this, let people cool off for a little, and then start over with a new thread for pre-release spoilers.

 

[alexis.anagram]

Yea, honestly /khg/ is the only KH related forum thats taking this well as they are just making meme's out of this. There are clear divisive opinions but they can at least joke about it and come to the conclusion that "We won't know until we play it".

Oof. The notion that we should shut down actual conversation to make room for more Internet memes because people are uncomfortable with divisiveness is...sad beyond words, ironically.

 

[sorawild]

if none of you have never read IGN's KH2 review, you never should take reviews seriously till you play it yourself.

Well, game's journalists over the years have lost a good 90% of any credibility they had over the years. Never forget "IGN 7/10 Too much Water." Not to mention the critical reviews of DOOM 2016 which all bashed the game cause they were bad at it and just smorgasbord of other incidents.

 

[gelandporn]

The only thing I've heard about so far that's actually disappointed me is the lack of new Disney worlds. It's great to hear that, from the sounds of it, they put a lot of effort into the worlds that are there. But, regardless of the quantity-vs-quality debate, one or two more Disney worlds would have been (personally) the sweet spot for me. A year or two ago, I would have actually bet money on The Jungle Book making it in. Oh well.

I can understand people getting upset about the lack of post-game content, but at the same time, it's not really surprising. I had the exact same feeling after beating vanilla KH2. But we're almost certainly getting it through DLC at some point, so it doesn't bother me. On the other hand, an entire Disney world as DLC is pretty unlikely, hence the disappointment.

As for potential disappointments with the main story, I'm somewhat indifferent. At this stage, after DDD, I have lost a good deal of investment in the main story (and I'm more interested in the Disney side of things).

It was pretty clear from the set-up in DDD that this game was going to be utterly jam-packed with characters. I remember much of the criticism of KH2 when it came out centered on there being too many characters. But this is multitudes greater. There isn't really a way that I can see them pulling this off in a way that would satisfy me personally. Nothing wrong with folks wanting an Inifinity Wars-styled story that's brimming with cameos, but it just isn't my cup of tea. I'd personally want something more focused and character-driven.

Because we've known since DDD that KH3 was going to be chock-full of characters, I've kept my expectations in check. I'm fully expecting that, come the release date, we'll see a flood of topics to the effect of:

"Why didn't A ever talk to B?"
"X should have done this instead of that"
"What ever happened to Y?"

etc.

 

[UltimaXOmega]

The posts about how 7 Disney worlds are enough and the game is massive, didn't age well.

 

[Fatal Mode]

The posts about how 7 Disney worlds are enough and the game is massive, didn't age well.

How so? I'm still pretty satisfied with world count and from what I've seen of the worlds

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Mainly Twilight Town

look way and above anything we have seen in the series to date.

 

[Nukara]

I would also like to speak. First of all, Happy New Year to you (Where I live 2019 has come) and I wanted to at least a drop of the positive of this holiday passed on to the people sitting here on the forum. So that people discard all the negative and toxicity that had accumulated in 2018 and met the beginning of 2019 with a positive.))

 

[Zettaflare]

I would also like to speak. First of all, Happy New Year to you (Where I live 2019 has come) and I wanted to at least a drop of the positive of this holiday passed on to the people sitting here on the forum. So that people discard all the negative and toxicity that had accumulated in 2018 and met the beginning of 2019 with a positive.))

Happy New Year to you to. In spite of the negativity I'm just happy we can kick off 2019 with the release of KH3

 

[robotman]

My main problem with the game and what I think most people's problem is that this is the final game of the saga, it's the damn finale, it's meant to go out with a BANG! We've all waited so patiently for the game but what we've seen in the leak and what they've showed in the trailers is just not hitting the mark. I'm surprised that there's still a majority of you that aren't disappointed, especially after looking at the footage and posts in this thread.

I personally just wanted them to expand on KH2FM's formula and make a show stopping game. It's such a shame that they haven't put in things that people like, they didn't even listen to the criticism or the fans after they asked for their opinion. How can some of you be happy if there's no secret bosses, no coliseum, no data matches or something similar, it also has the fewest Disney worlds out of all the main games... Like this is just a huge disappointment to me.

The only way they can rectify it is by adding stuff in a final mix version but my biggest complaint of all is that all of the stuff that I mentioned should be in the base game, none of it should be DLC. It just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth and it's a bitter pill to swallow because I really was looking forward to the end of the Dark Seeker Saga. They wasted time on mini-games when they should have put in the stuff I mentioned then added the mini-games after to flesh out the worlds. They completely missed the ball as far as I'm concerned and I'm shocked that no one in the team said "wait a minute, we should put in things the fans liked in the past console games and expand on it". Like I said before, the decision making is beyond baffling.

 

[Sora2001PS2]

First time poster here. I have been following along. I wouldn't say the world is ending if things we like aren't in the game. It is negative but it's how some of us feel.

I personally like what I have seen. I hope secret bosses and some kind of tournament are added in. I am not the best at those but they are fun and satisfying.

 

[alexis.anagram]

Nothing wrong with folks wanting an Inifinity Wars-styled story that's brimming with cameos, but it just isn't my cup of tea. I'd personally want something more focused and character-driven.

It saddens me that this is the new benchmark for ensemble epics as it's such bad form, when there are nonetheless so many prominent and excellent examples of how to make the most of a large cast in literature, stage, and even anime and manga. You really don't have to look far for rewarding, densely characterized fiction going back centuries.

Personally, I'm not interested in seeing characters act or interact just for the sake of it-- what's important is that every storytelling decision, whether it surrounds a character's action or inaction, should be internally justified in following a thematic throughline. If you know you only have so many opportunities to give life to these characters, you just have to make every minute meaningful: Nomura's had more than enough time to plot out these arcs so that they resolve organically, so now it comes down to the choices he makes as a director.

For instance, one of the 4chan "leaks" discussed a potential confrontation between Aqua and Larxene and Vanitas. I think that has some really thrilling potential that functions on an emotional level anyone can follow: Larxene knows her way around Castle Oblivion, Vanitas needs to find Ven so that he can force a reunion with him, and Aqua would naturally be there to fend both of them off. The blending of personalities is excellent, as Larxene and Vanitas both exhibit a similarly savage, selfish and unpredictable pattern in their characters and Aqua is firmly set against them as another's protectorate. At the same time, it adds some questions to the equation which actually have answers we want to know: we think Aqua can defeat Vanitas in a one-on-one, if only just; would she able to hold her own against two similarly vicious aggressors; consequently, has the journey through the Realm of Darkness made her weaker, or stronger? Similarly, can Larxene and Vanitas, two people with potentially diverging agendas and explicitly hostile tendencies, be expected to work in real partnership to achieve the same goals? There's an argument to be made for some of the clashing symbolism, too-- Aqua as a representation light and water, serene and quietly forceful, facing off against darkness and thunder, crushing in their paired volatility. This is how you bring characters from disparate storylines together in a moment of conflict, but of course you can extend the logic to any of the various kinds of drama a long-running serial inherits from its antecedents.

It'll be unfortunate if a story like KH, where the characters all have generally compelling origin stories and journeys to draw on, can't manage to make the most of that foundation.

The posts about how 7 Disney worlds are enough and the game is massive, didn't age well.

Speaking of savage.

 

[Darkspawn]

Let's take the guy's opinion out of it and focus on the facts

1: He breezed through areas with little effort. Clearly, the game is shorter than the other mainline titles. (Most of his time was spent idling, and yet areas took him 1.5 hours including the long cutscenes this title has)
2: He died only 4 times on proud mode on a game literally nobody on the planet has played yet
3: He has posted multiple videos that demonstrate the floatyness of the combat
4: I played the current build at Disney Springs two days ago and can confirm this is the case
5: No substantial side-content has been found yet


None of these 5 things take into account subjective statements by the leaker.



The nuance is that people who are bearish on the game are so because of what we have seen and what we know to be true, while people who are bullish on the game are so because of what we havn't seen and what MIGHT be true. This is a big distinction.

1. He said 2.5-3 hours, not 1.5. KHI staff spent that much time just on the Premiere Event demo. Lol

2. He also said in a different post that he died enough times that it caused him to quit. Just another example of him contradicting himself.

3. If the statement about him only dying 4 times IS true, then floatiness must not be bad enough to impact the difficulty, which is the main argument against it as it leaves you open to attacks. So they must have found a balance. Remember the leaker also said the gameplay is “like a fine wine that aged well.”

4. The Disney Springs build isn’t the current build. It’s the same build that’s been used since E3.

5. I can agree that I’m concerned over the lack of non-minigame side content. That said, KH2 Coliseum cups were basically minigames with their weak rewards, gimmicky restrictions, etc. Beyond that, the vanilla game didn’t have much besides one superboss and the lackluster minigames like Mail Delivery. So I still think KH3’s post game will be more enjoyable than that. We’ll have to wait and see what extra content is added if we want to fairly compare it to KH2FM.

 

[robotman]

1. He said 2.5-3 hours, not 1.5. KHI staff spent that much time just on the Premiere Event demo. Lol

2. He also said in a different post that he died enough times that it caused him to quit. Just another example of him contradicting himself.

3. If the statement about him only dying 4 times IS true, then floatiness must not be bad enough to impact the difficulty, which is the main argument against it as it leaves you open to attacks. So they must have found a balance. Remember the leaker also said the gameplay is “like a fine wine that aged well.”

4. The Disney Springs build isn’t the current build. It’s the same build that’s been used since E3.

5. I can agree that I’m concerned over the lack of non-minigame side content. That said, KH2 Coliseum cups were basically minigames with their weak rewards, gimmicky restrictions, etc. Beyond that, the vanilla game didn’t have much besides one superboss and the lackluster minigames like Mail Delivery. So I still think KH3’s post game will be more enjoyable than that. We’ll have to wait and see what extra content is added if we want to fairly compare it to KH2FM.

Can you post or send me to a screen print of when he said "I died enough times that caused him to quit"? I haven't seen that anywhere.

Also KH2FM should be the template that they used for KH3 and then add more beyond it, why are you happy with the base game having less content then a game that came out over 10 years ago? I'm not saying this to be combative but I just don't get it. They should be building off of KH2FM to make KH3, then they should expand on that. We've waited so long, no one who loves the series should be happy with this.

The 3 hour worlds was definitely hyperbole, all game creators say that the game is longer than it is. I think that the worlds will probably be max 2 hours, if you want to take it leisurely and collect everything, then yeah it's going probably be longer but the story content won't be 3 hours.

 

[Squood!]

1. He said 2.5-3 hours, not 1.5. KHI staff spent that much time just on the Premiere Event demo. Lol

2. He also said in a different post that he died enough times that it caused him to quit. Just another example of him contradicting himself.

3. If the statement about him only dying 4 times IS true, then floatiness must not be bad enough to impact the difficulty, which is the main argument against it as it leaves you open to attacks. So they must have found a balance. Remember the leaker also said the gameplay is “like a fine wine that aged well.”

4. The Disney Springs build isn’t the current build. It’s the same build that’s been used since E3.

5. I can agree that I’m concerned over the lack of non-minigame side content. That said, KH2 Coliseum cups were basically minigames with their weak rewards, gimmicky restrictions, etc. Beyond that, the vanilla game didn’t have much besides one superboss and the lackluster minigames like Mail Delivery. So I still think KH3’s post game will be more enjoyable than that. We’ll have to wait and see what extra content is added if we want to fairly compare it to KH2FM.

Wait, he said that he died enough times that it caused him to quit?

Also didn't Chaser make a list of KH3's side content earlier in the thread?

 

[Fatal Mode]

Can you post or send me to a screen print of when he said "I died enough times that caused him to quit"? I haven't seen that anywhere.

Also KH2FM should be the template that they used for KH3 and then add more beyond it, why are you happy with the base game having less content then a game that came out over 10 years ago? I'm not saying this to be combative but I just don't get it. They should be building off of KH2FM to make KH3, then they should expand on that. We've waited so long, no one who loves the series should be happy with this.

The 3 hour worlds was definitely hyperbole, all game creators say that the game is longer than it is. I think that the worlds will probably be max 2 hours, if you want to take it leisurely and collect everything, then yeah it's going probably be longer but the story content won't be 3 hours.

Kingdom hearts 2 is a fun game to play. One of my favorites. But there are a lot of problems with it people seem to gloss over. KH3 was never going to be Kingdom Hearts 2 continued, I've seen people on this site warn about that and the expectations it would bring. KH3 was always going to be it's own thing, an amalgamation of all that's come before it.

The leaker himself said the worlds are 2.5-3 hours long, I'm not really sure why people take everything else he would say as gospel but dismiss that part.