I never have paid much attention to most of the Diz clips at the beginning but I have just recently seen, that he said that 'Roxas's heart connected with Kairi's' or something like that. So does this mean Roxas is truely a Nobody?
Is Roxas a Nobody?
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I think DiZ meant that Roxas connected to Kairi through Sora's heart/memories; he didn't really believe that Roxas had a heart. Regardless, Roxas is the body+soul left behind from Sora's Heartless transformation, so yes, Roxas is a Nobody.
Roxas is a special nobody, one who carried around an injured, mostly inactive heart inside himself.
If one looks at Roxas's appearance it's easy to deduce whose heart that was.
Roxas still counts as a nobody because he used Sora's body and soul, only becoming an own person because he lacked Sora's memories and co-existed with him.
However, for that DiZ-part. As Roxas is connected to Sora, he used Sora's heart to reach Kairi (Sora was asleep at that time). It's also evidenced by Sora talking through Roxas reprimanding Kairi about forgetting his name.
If one looks at Roxas's appearance it's easy to deduce whose heart that was.
Roxas still counts as a nobody because he used Sora's body and soul, only becoming an own person because he lacked Sora's memories and co-existed with him.
However, for that DiZ-part. As Roxas is connected to Sora, he used Sora's heart to reach Kairi (Sora was asleep at that time). It's also evidenced by Sora talking through Roxas reprimanding Kairi about forgetting his name.
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You remember the scene where Roxas talks to Kairi right?
It was Namine whom make them able to communicate anyway <3
Maybe this is also thru the connection between Sora and Kairi
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You remember the scene where Roxas talks to Kairi right?
It was Namine whom make them able to communicate anyway <3
Maybe this is also thru the connection between Sora and Kairi
Ah..i see
I have forget the scene xD
Why does Namine need to do that?
Something to do with Roxas not fading away or vanishing or something. That's why you see him talking to Namine and Sora at the end of KH2.
Roxas is a Nobody. While it's always said the leftover body and soul is the Nobody, I think a better defintion would be this:
What's left over after a strong willed heart, which is predominate in the entity, becomes a Heartless.
This would explain why Namine is literally made from nothing, cause Kairi left nothing behind when Sora became a Heartless. And then this would explain why Roxas has Ven's heart.
What's left over after a strong willed heart, which is predominate in the entity, becomes a Heartless.
This would explain why Namine is literally made from nothing, cause Kairi left nothing behind when Sora became a Heartless. And then this would explain why Roxas has Ven's heart.
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Basically, this.
Roxas is a nobody because he may have a heart, but it's Ven's injured heart. It's half a heart technically. You're not a full being unless you have a full heart. Roxas did not, so it makes him a "special nobody" (along with getting no memories from his somebody is another reason he's a special nobody).
On the other hand, say Roxas took Ven's full heart with him and it wasn't injured...technically, he would be his own being.
Roxas was basically 50% there to being a full being which is why he actually shed a tear as well.
Roxas took Sora's body and soul with him. If Roxas had Ven's full heart, he would be a complete being. He would not be considered a nobody.
Remember Xemnas? Xemnas didn't want his heart back. Instead he wanted a new heart. That is what basically Organization XIII was all about. They wanted to be different from their somebodies. They wanted a heart, yes. But not necessarily their own heart back..basically a different heart to be a new being but keeping with the same body they had. This is why Xemnas changed his name. He didn't want to be "Xehanort" nor "Ansem" anymore...he wanted to be "Xemnas" (with a heart).
So if Roxas took Ven's full heart with him he would have been a new being. Heck, if he took Sora's heart he would have been a new being. Even Uncle Scrooge's heart, he would have been a new being regardless.
Nobodies aren't classified by how incomplete they are, they're classified by how they've been rejected by light/dark.
The name change was to reflect how they became new beings/Nobodies, IIRC.
If Roxas had Ven's active heart, he'd be Ven.
If Roxas had Sora's heart, he'd be Sora.
If Roxas had Uncle Scrooge's heart, he'd be Uncle Scrooge.
The heart defines the person, so long as it's active.
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Yeah, but what about that cutscene where Roxas was falling off the clock tower and ended up making contact with Kairi. Kairi asked him for a name and he replied, "It begins with an S."
She got it wrong until Roxas said, "Gee thanks a lot Kairi, you don't even remember my name."
And, after that she finally remembered his name. Namine wasn't there if I am not mistaking.
No but Diz says that "Roxas's contact with Namine made his heart connect with Kairi's" or of such.
Roxas tried to reach Naminé, but got Kairi instead, Naminé wasn't directly involved.
To be completely honest...it was not Roxas that talked to Kairi there.
Roxas only said "I know, you're that girl he likes." and introduced himself after Kairi asked who he was. Kairi then questioned him if the knows the other boy's name.
All other statements you mentioned following this (they're reversed however, the "Gee thanks a lot Kairi"-part came first.) where spoken by Sora through Roxas.
@LightandDark:
DiZ meant Sora's heart, Roxas attempting to contact Naminé let Sora's heart make contact with Kairi's, Sora, who was still sleeping at that time, practically "used" Roxas as a conduit to reach Kairi.
Stupid browser...unintended double post.
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Hmm..so does Namine involved in messing the connection?
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Not quite.
Xemnas did not want his heart back. He wanted a different heart and so do the other members and this basically confirms it. If Roxas had Ven's full heart..he would be his own being. He would not be Ven.
Besides..his personality differs from Ven anyway. And his body and soul is used from Sora's, not Ven.
A heart and its memories form the person, if Roxas really would have had an healthy, uninjured heart, it would be just like Xehanort using Terra's body, only without a second heart in it (Sora's heart was still at his own existence thanks to Kairi).
So this "new" being would in that case have been Ventus using Sora's body and soul.
The being known as "Roxas" would never have been born as there would be no own memories to form the being "Roxas", it would be Ven.
That interview snippet from Nomura actually contradicts an actual statement from Kingdom Hearts II, where Saix clearly asks: "Kingdom Hearts, where is my heart?"
Saix and Axel once conversed also about getting their hearts back.
Larxene, Xaldin and Marluxia didn't want a heart anyways.
The part you bolded refers to the hearts the Organization held captive inside the artificial Kingdom Hearts formed by Xemnas, not that they intended to put them into their bodies.
What Xemnas truly wanted is to become a god-like being to reshape the universe, he didn't care about getting any heart, or rather, he wants to control all hearts and therefore enslave all life, as the real Master Xehanort wants.
The "we need to complete Kingdom Hearts to become whole" was the official story, but Xemnas had a hidden agenda.
So this "new" being would in that case have been Ventus using Sora's body and soul.
The being known as "Roxas" would never have been born as there would be no own memories to form the being "Roxas", it would be Ven.
That interview snippet from Nomura actually contradicts an actual statement from Kingdom Hearts II, where Saix clearly asks: "Kingdom Hearts, where is my heart?"
Saix and Axel once conversed also about getting their hearts back.
Larxene, Xaldin and Marluxia didn't want a heart anyways.
The part you bolded refers to the hearts the Organization held captive inside the artificial Kingdom Hearts formed by Xemnas, not that they intended to put them into their bodies.
What Xemnas truly wanted is to become a god-like being to reshape the universe, he didn't care about getting any heart, or rather, he wants to control all hearts and therefore enslave all life, as the real Master Xehanort wants.
The "we need to complete Kingdom Hearts to become whole" was the official story, but Xemnas had a hidden agenda.
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