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That is possible? One can be prohibited from running again? Isn't that the call of the political party to make?
If convicted in the senate he can be barred from holding office.


Tbh I wasn't exactly sure why they now cry for a second impeachment because there are less than two weeks left before this crook has to leave anyways so it would only be symbolic.
Because he's unhinged and could conceivably launch a nuclear strike on the BLM movement any time within the next two weeks, among other things. Imagine he pardons himself. Imagine he starts a war.

Also, because our laws and systems are based on norms and values. When they're torn asunder like this, we either make an example of the perpetrators or concede that the norm and value no longer exists. It will he worse next time. They'll be more competent next time. It won't be Trump next time.
 

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If convicted in the senate he can be barred from holding office.
You're right. I thought I'd read that simply being Impeached twice would be enough even without removal, but that's incorrect. Jail time can disqualify though, and I expect there will be state-level charges he won't be able to pardon.
 

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it's surreal seeing these images come from America of all places
It's surreal to think they let a bunch of clowns inside the Republic's most important building, when Representatives and Senators were inside, specifically ratifying the Electoral College Votes.

For fuck's sake.

These images ran around the world in a matter of seconds. Congress is gonna be one big ass target now. "Oh hey, those random white guys intercepted the federal Capitol. Guess we can do worse damage if we're more careful" - some terrorist, somewhere.

Thank GOD the USELESS security chief of Capitol Hill resigned.

For fuck's, fucking sake.

I didn't sleep all of last night because Georgia.
Yeah, the Senate's 50/50 now. Kamala is gonna be the decisive vote.

First you impeach the shitheel so he can't send out any more pardons and lock him out of running again, then you prosecute and lock up everyone you can get. This is treason and sedition, plain and simple. I'm not an american, but you don't need to be to see that. Remove the Republicans that voted against Biden, because they are compromised. And for god's sake reform the police department. Some got hit doing their job, but there were plenty that didn't mind letting them through.
And don't forget to find a way to make sure his crotch spawn can't get into power themselves.

The confederate flag got into the capitol. That's closer than it ever did during your Civil War. Ban that shit to the level of nazi symbols (because at this point there really isn't much of a distinction anymore) and undo the brainwashing of his base that started ever since Fox News came on air. Because just locking up Trump and some of ringleaders here isn't gonna cut it: you basically have a terrorist organisation at this point. "Ya'll Quada" wasn't far off the mark.

If there is any justice left, Trump would only be able to look outside through bars for the rest of his life.
I think the most they'll do is make sure he won't ever run for a public position again. Neither him nor his family. Trumpism is a cancer that needs to die. Trumpism woke up, agitated and agglomerated all the racist sentiment in the United States.

The GOP cling on to power throughout states and in DC by blatant cheating that exists nowhere else in the Western world.
Re: Gerrmandering. But both parties do this. Both parties are responsible for many shitshows we've gotten.

I wonder in what capacity the republican party will continue to exist.
They're in a meltdown. If people thought Democrats had a problem with Progressives, hoo, boy, is the Republican Party in some deep shit now. Candidates will have to choose between appealing to moderate Republicans or Trumpists. It's gonna go to the point that I just think we're gonna have a third party that comes out of the GOP: a nationalist party. An alt-right party. These people have the money, logistics and media to do it.

It wouldn't surprise me that Democrats retain both Houses during Midterms next year.

It's clear that most of the republicans have been toeing the line for the past 4 years and don't actually care for Trump.
They knew Trumpism had to die, otherwise, it was a cancer that was gonna end up eating the GOP.

It's too soon in this clusterfuck to predict anything, but depending on who's running I'm guessing the next couple of election cycles will make clear just exactly how large Trump's base was compared to the republican voter that just votes anything with an R next to the name.
DiSantis, Scott, Rubio, Paul... hahaha, the GOP is gonna have a meltdown.

it's embarrassing how confrontational politics has become.
Thanks Republicans and they're Culture Wars. Barry Goldman introduced the Culture Wars in the 60's in order to win the Republican Presidential Nominee from Rockefeller. Henceforth, they've utilized this philosophy to win elections: Nixon, Reagan, so forth.

Republicans used Culture War to win, and Democrats tokenism to win. They're literally two evils.

do seem to have a spine and at least some respect for the US constitution so that they didn't go along with Trumps ugly game
I presume Pence did it to uphold his pledge to the Constitution. Mitch? lol he did it for the numbers.

No worries. Pelosi *will* Impeach him again in the next two weeks, which will ensure he can never run for office again whether or not the Senate will remove. Hopefully NY arrests him not long after he leaves office on state-level charges. Long-term, the plan post-presidency (which was the same if he'd lost four years ago) is going to be to start his own news channel so he and Russia can keep his cult brainwashed for years to come and displace the U.S.'s stability further.
The Impeachment process would either have to be expedited, because it takes a long time, or impeach him as a former President, which is something that hasn't been done before.

Isn't that the call of the political party to make?
Here's what could happen:
*Trump runs under the GOP*
*GOP inhabilitates/suspeds him from running*
*Trump makes a third party*
*Trump could win under that third party*

Tbh I wasn't exactly sure why they now cry for a second impeachment because there are less than two weeks left before this crook has to leave anyways so it would only be symbolic.
Impeachment can be used to declare him guilty under a political trial in the House, Senate is the jury, find him guilty, thus he is in habilitated to run.

Trump returning is a much bigger threat to the Republic right now.

Eh, I'd prefer it if Trump vanished out of public entirely, but even then his person is not the root or the cause of the overall main problem at hand.
Hopefully the Media stops covering him after all is said and done. They're partly responsible for his candidacy.

and it was Vice-President Pence who did the call.
I still wonder if this is true. The Vice President doesn't have the power to summon the National Guard. That's only a power the President has. Unless Pence was Acting President, he couldn't have done that. It could have been Trump who did a late summoning, but then we have the Secretary of Defense confirming it was Pence that called the National Guard.

It was a shit show.

MAGA Country dragged Obama's name all over the mud, but holy shit was Wednesday's attempted coup THE worse performance the US has ever been witness to.
If convicted in the senate he can be barred from holding office.
Correct. Like I mentioned: political trial is done in the House, the Senate is the jury.

Also, because our laws and systems are based on norms and values. When they're torn asunder like this, we either make an example of the perpetrators or concede that the norm and value no longer exists. It will he worse next time. They'll be more competent next time. It won't be Trump next time.
Thankfully the Founding Fathers built the Republic to specifically prevent a dictator.

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I forgot to mention: Trump distanced himself pretty hard from protesters. It's possible that Trump Country is gonna feel betrayed.
 
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Republicans used Culture War to win, and Democrats tokenism to win. They're literally two evils.
Tokenism??? Democrats are "evil" for allowing women, gay people, and people of color to run for office or other government roles, as well as promoting diversity? Meanwhile the other party has been fomenting an uprise to overthrow the government... These false equivalencies are exactly how we got here and would've taken us much farther down the drain than this. No, I don't think the party that made it possible for me to get married is evil because they care about the rights and protections against discrimination for people like me in education, housing, employment, and so on.

No, if there's evil "on both sides" (God, I despise that phrase), it's demagoguery and populism, whether it's Trump's fascism or Bernie / AOC's socialism. Thankfully the socialists have never usurped control of the Democratic Party the way Trump has the GOP.
 
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They're in a meltdown. If people thought Democrats had a problem with Progressives, hoo, boy, is the Republican Party in some deep shit now. Candidates will have to choose between appealing to moderate Republicans or Trumpists. It's gonna go to the point that I just think we're gonna have a third party that comes out of the GOP: a nationalist party. An alt-right party. These people have the money, logistics and media to do it.

It wouldn't surprise me that Democrats retain both Houses during Midterms next year
This kind of seems like the best possible outcome. I was talking to a friend earlier and said that this event will most likely cause a divide in the base. Especially with Trump currently backpedaling and denouncing the followers that invaded the capital.
  • You'll have those that distance themselves either claiming to never really have been on board or otherwise trying to disconnect from Trump and the MAGA.
  • You'll have those feeling betrayed and tricked by Trump, for not having their backs, who will end up falling deeper into the rabbithole.
  • You'll have those in denial. Shouting it wasn't them and convinced they're being framed.
  • You'll have those that will cling on to both Trump and the act, convinced his condemnation of the action is just part of his brilliant strategy.
I can easily see this leading to a schism in the political party. But I feel like the Dixiecrats before, they'd eventually just rejoin their old party eventually.

I'd be lying, if I said the thought of the republican party splitting a part doesn't appeal to me. But then again I generally would like the two major parties to split up so we'd have more options.

Hopefully the Media stops covering him after all is said and done. They're partly responsible for his candidacy.
Well you'd hope, but I have the feeling that depends on how much his followers will cling on to him once out of office. Most Media outlets are just interested in the views and clicks he can generate, none of them care about him, not really.
 

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Tokenism??? Democrats are "evil" for allowing women, gay people, and people of color to run for office or other government roles, as well as promoting diversity. Meanwhile the other party has been fomenting an uprise to overthrow the government... These false equivalencies are exactly how we got here and would've taken us much farther down the drain than this. No, I don't think the party that made it possible for me to get married is evil because they care about the rights and protections against discrimination for people like me in education, housing, employment, and so on.

No, if there's evil "on both sides" (God, I despise that phrase), it's demagoguery and populism, whether it's Trump's fascism or Bernie / AOC's socialism. Thankfully the socialists have never usurped control of the Democratic Party the way Trump has the GOP.
Democrats aren't "evil" for approving civil rights and liberties. They're precisely bad for using "minorities" in their favor, which is essentially was tokenism is.

At the last hour, they're all politicians. This isn't about a story of good vs evil. Real life isn't like that. This is about holding all of them accountable. Both parties are trash in their own respective way, and like everything, they have their ups and down.

This kind of seems like the best possible outcome.
The thought of a third, nationalist party is not actually a good outcome. Assume for a second that it becomes a second party instead of a third one and national elections are reduced to Dem/Nationalist. The rabbit hole is gonna go deeper and deeper.

  • You'll have those that will cling on to both Trump and the act, convinced his condemnation of the action is just part of his brilliant strategy.
lol that reminds me of the people that said that Trump played 4D Chess. lol if he didn't he wouldn't have killed his 2024 aspirations on Wednesday. Guy's another idiot. A lucky idiot. The perfect storm: he was the right candidate for the right moment (all the bigots united on his front).

I'd be lying, if I said the thought of the republican party splitting a part doesn't appeal to me. But then again I generally would like the two major parties to split up so we'd have more options.
It's what they deserve, but honestly, the possibility of an alt-right party existing and becoming main stream is scary.
 

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Democrats aren't "evil" for approving civil rights and liberties. They're precisely bad for using "minorities" in their favor, which is essentially was tokenism is.

At the last hour, they're all politicians. This isn't about a story of good vs evil. Real life isn't like that. This is about holding all of them accountable. Both parties are trash in their own respective way, and like everything, they have their ups and down.
Using minorities in their favor... Yeah, we're just passive pawns instead of active individuals deliberately voting for the people who have repeatedly defended us from the monsters of the world... There's a difference between politicians and a wannabe dictator. Trying to frame them as equal is what puts the world to the brink because it's a lie intended to encourage people not to care about anything. If everything is equal, if all things are evil, then why bother doing anything, right? Let's just lie down and die, let true evil have its way because the other option may be a politician who lied once twenty years ago or flip-flopped on an issue. They are not the same. The Trumps of the world are not a morally equivalent option and shouldn't be normalized as being one. Those lies are just as much responsible for this violence and treason as Trump himself is.
 

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The thought of a third, nationalist party is not actually a good outcome. Assume for a second that it becomes a second party instead of a third one and national elections are reduced to Dem/Nationalist. The rabbit hole is gonna go deeper and deeper.
I do think there'd be some advantages from it. Because that means the conservatives wouldn't have to vote for an alt-right guy, just to vote against the Democrats (doesn't mean they wont).
Personally I don't believe that there's enough people that are crazy enough that they would become the dominant conservative party, but I might be a bit too optimistic here. I also feel like it being a seperate party makes them more open to being criticized without every conservative leaning person feeling attacked and trying to rush to the defense attack.

But yes, you are right the risk of the Nationalist Party becoming one of the big two is too big to really call it a good thing.

lol that reminds me of the people that said that Trump played 4D Chess. lol if he didn't he wouldn't have killed his 2024 aspirations on Wednesday. Guy's another idiot. A lucky idiot. The perfect storm: he was the right candidate for the right moment (all the bigots united on his front).
I'm pretty sure they think his buffoonery is part of his 4D Chess strategy and he'll totally show us, just wait and see.

It's what they deserve, but honestly, the possibility of an alt-right party existing and becoming main stream is scary.
It is, but I feel like it'd be easier to do something against them if they're not part of the already existing mainstream conservative party. Either way these politicians exist and are poisoning the well.
 

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Using minorities in their favor... Yeah, we're just passive pawns
Uh, yeah. We've always been lambs in the eyes of politicians. This isn't new? Just numbers in their polls?

instead of active individuals deliberately voting
Both statements aren't mutually exclusive.

There's a difference between politicians and a wannabe dictator.
No. There is a difference between a good politician and a bad one.

Trying to frame them as equal is what puts the world to the brink because it's a lie intended to encourage people not to care about anything.
It's not a lie intended to discourage them. It's a fact. On the contrary, it's intended to encourage them to be more careful in voting and actively seeking accountability from them.

I don't believe that there's enough people that are crazy enough that they would become the dominant conservative party,
There were enough people to carry Trump on a primary process. Enough to elect him POTUS and enough to almooooooost reelect him.

I also feel like it being a seperate party makes them more open to being criticized
"Any publicity is publicity" especially now that the nation is divided as is. Followers of the al right party will keep following it as is. It'll have enough political support.
 

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There were enough people to carry Trump on a primary process. Enough to elect him POTUS and enough to almooooooost reelect him.
With respect, I think that's actually a better arguement against the two party system than for it. The Republican party establishment didn't stop Trump becoming wildly popular with its members during the Primary process and becoming the leader of one of the two only parties that could elect the president. And this gave him a massive momentum boost, gaining him many voters loyal to the Republican party, as well as the reluctant support of more moderate politicians in the Republican party, who had a choice of collaborating with Trump or sacrificing their own political careers.

I think it's better to have a system that allows nationalist parties to emerge so they can compete with and be largely defeafed by other parties (I would cite several European countries which have multi-party democracies, including far-right and far-left parties but have more moderate, competent governments than the USA).
 

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Uh, yeah. We've always been lambs in the eyes of politicians. This isn't new? Just numbers in their polls?

Both statements aren't mutually exclusive.
They are. A politician appealing to and doing things for their constituents isn't an "evil"--that's how basic policy works. More than that, tokenism implies Democrats haven't actively worked for the rights for those minorities, which they do. Where do you think same-sex marriage rights came from, or why a woman's right to control their own bodies still exists? Out of the ether? No, because of Democrats and the people they put on the Supreme Court. Worse, you infantilize people who simply remember who have fought for their rights just because they don't agree with a nihilist "do nothing" view of the world. They're an active participant in democracy, not some passive sheep. All it takes for where we are to happen is good people who sit and do nothing, and "both sides" lies are deliberately intended to make people check out of the process.

No. There is a difference between a good politician and a bad one.
Yeah, there is. And there's also a difference between a politician you don't like and a wannabe dictator. For example, do I "like" Joe Biden? No, I wanted Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg (or for Hillary to run again). But that's how it goes. At least politicians still follow basic norms and you can vote them out of office if you don't like them. Thankfully the system is going to be able to withstand the wannabe dictator in office now, but not for lack of trying from new Hitler and his cult and no thanks to the lack of action from people who did nothing when he was seeking power the past two elections.

I think it's better to have a system that allows nationalist parties to emerge so they can compete with and be largely defeafed by other parties (I would cite several European countries which have multi-party democracies, including far-right and far-left parties but have more moderate, competent governments than the USA).
I agree. I wish the U.S. had a system with 3 or 4 viable parties. And for there to be ranked choice voting*. But unfortunately neither of those things will ever happen. Voting third party here is essentially letting the opposing party you least identify with win, unfortunately.

* Case in point: By the time primary voting reached NC this cycle, it had pretty much become the Biden v. Bernie show. And so even though I wanted to vote for Buttigieg (and I would've rather had several others before Biden as well), I didn't want to waste my vote and risk handing the primary to Bernie. Ranked choice voting would allow people to vote for who they want without fear of empowering outliers like Trump, Bernie, Tulsi, etc. It's just a shame it'll never happen.
 
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There were enough people to carry Trump on a primary process. Enough to elect him POTUS and enough to almooooooost reelect him.
I'd argue he only got so many votes because of how the American voting system works and how people in the US vote. It often feels more like it's a team sport than actual politics sometimes. You vote for your team, because they're your team and because you hate the other team, because they are bad and will ruin everything.

Like @Dast said a lot of his votes he got because he was the Republican candidate, he probably wouldn't get half of those votes, if he weren't. But because the Republicans didn't want to lose the votes of the people who became enamored with him, they let him become their candidate 4 years ago. Even I voted for Biden, not because he's who I'd want as the President, but because I didn't want another 4 years of Trump. Lots of conservatives did the same for the other side.

Regardless I fear in the 4 year he's been POTUS the number of people that'd follow him might have increased. Generally it seems the number of openly alt-right and conspiracy believing people has increased and it's spreading. Something has to change or we'll see this again and not just in the USA.
 

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Generally it seems the number of openly alt-right and conspiracy believing people has increased and it's spreading. Something has to change or we'll see this again and not just in the USA.
Frankly we already have this worldwide outside the USA, just in differing levels of openness.

You got Bolsonaro in Brazil who is not that different from Trump.
You got Erdogan in Turkey who is also a narcissistic wanna-be dictator like Trump (and he's arguably more clever as well)
You got Lukashenko in Belarus (who actually predates Trump and most of the others and who is now going violently against his own people who in the majority want him gone).
You got Victór Orban in Hungary who, while not as vile as Trump, still holds similar views to him and is firmly on the far right-wing policy wise. He also has a two-third majority with his right-wing party right now.
You got Jaroslaw Kaczynski in Poland who doesn't hold any official office apart from being the leader of his party but who's essentially the shadow right-wing leader of Poland.
You got Vladimir Putin in Russia who is, out of all those already mentioned, more or less the most dangerous one because he's very clever and politically savvy, knowing to play the long game unlike Trump.

Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines is also not what I would call a democratically minded normal "politician".

I'd mention Kim Jong-Un of North Korea, Xi Jinping of Mainland China and Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela as well, but while these three are also dictators they aren't necessarily right-wingers.

And those are only the ones who are actually in power.
You also got Marine Le Pen in France who is something of a female Trump but who's also more clever than him and the only reason she got defeated in the last French main elections was because all other political actors of importance in France united against her.
There is the VOX party in Spain and her offshoots who want to re-establish the military dictatorship the country already had under Franco from 1939 to the 1970s.
In Italy you got both Matteo Salvini and Silvio Berlusconi, right-wing radicals who would make Mussolini proud and here in Germany we have the AfD party, right now embroiled in an internal civil war between the "moderate" wing led by Jörg Meuthen and the "Nationalist" wing, which one may recall in Germany always has an even more radical element to it, led by Björn Höcke who's for all intents and purposes an actual Nazi.
 

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Frankly we already have this worldwide outside the USA, just in differing levels of openness.

You got Bolsonaro in Brazil who is not that different from Trump.
You got Erdogan in Turkey who is also a narcissistic wanna-be dictator like Trump (and he's arguably more clever as well)
You got Lukashenko in Belarus (who actually predates Trump and most of the others and who is now going violently against his own people who in the majority want him gone).
You got Victór Orban in Hungary who, while not as vile as Trump, still holds similar views to him and is firmly on the far right-wing policy wise. He also has a two-third majority with his right-wing party right now.
You got Jaroslaw Kaczynski in Poland who doesn't hold any official office apart from being the leader of his party but who's essentially the shadow right-wing leader of Poland.
You got Vladimir Putin in Russia who is, out of all those already mentioned, more or less the most dangerous one because he's very clever and politically savvy, knowing to play the long game unlike Trump.

Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines is also not what I would call a democratically minded normal "politician".

I'd mention Kim Jong-Un of North Korea, Xi Jinping of Mainland China and Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela as well, but while these three are also dictators they aren't necessarily right-wingers.

And those are only the ones who are actually in power.
You also got Marine Le Pen in France who is something of a female Trump but who's also more clever than him and the only reason she got defeated in the last French main elections was because all other political actors of importance in France united against her.
There is the VOX party in Spain and her offshoots who want to re-establish the military dictatorship the country already had under Franco from 1939 to the 1970s.
In Italy you got both Matteo Salvini and Silvio Berlusconi, right-wing radicals who would make Mussolini proud and here in Germany we have the AfD party, right now embroiled in an internal civil war between the "moderate" wing led by Jörg Meuthen and the "Nationalist" wing, which one may recall in Germany always has an even more radical element to it, led by Björn Höcke who's for all intents and purposes an actual Nazi.
Yeah, that is honestly what I was getting at. We're already seeing it developing. Even countries like France, Germany and England which most westerners would see as pretty stable nations are dealing with power grabs and right wing extremists.

Most of the early ones you've mentioned, would often be shrugged off as places that were always struggling or already unstable and not quite taken as dangerous to democracy. But, if what happened in the US Capital is anything to go off of, no Nation is beyond having to eventually deal with these types of people. That's why something needs to change.

It feels like now more than in a long time democracies all over the world are in danger, if nothing changes and we don't find a way to deal with Nationalism. Eventually other facistic groups will try and storm their government or otherwise take over the country.
 

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With respect, I think that's actually a better arguement against the two party system than for it. The Republican party establishment didn't stop Trump becoming wildly popular with its members during the Primary process and becoming the leader of one of the two only parties that could elect the president. And this gave him a massive momentum boost, gaining him many voters loyal to the Republican party, as well as the reluctant support of more moderate politicians in the Republican party, who had a choice of collaborating with Trump or sacrificing their own political careers.

I think it's better to have a system that allows nationalist parties to emerge so they can compete with and be largely defeafed by other parties (I would cite several European countries which have multi-party democracies, including far-right and far-left parties but have more moderate, competent governments than the USA).
I'm not a fan of the two party system, so. By all means, modify it. But yeah, the GOP is responsible for letting him run at all. The writing was in the wall: the people behind Nixon and Reagan were behind Trump (Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charlie Black).

They are. A politician appealing to and doing things for their constituents isn't an "evil"--that's how basic policy works. More than that, tokenism implies Democrats haven't actively worked for the rights for those minorities, which they do. Where do you think same-sex marriage rights came from, or why a woman's right to control their own bodies still exists? Out of the ether? No, because of Democrats and the people they put on the Supreme Court. Worse, you infantilize people who simply remember who have fought for their rights just because they don't agree with a nihilist "do nothing" view of the world. They're an active participant in democracy, not some passive sheep. All it takes for where we are to happen is good people who sit and do nothing, and "both sides" lies are deliberately intended to make people check out of the process.

Yeah, there is. And there's also a difference between a politician you don't like and a wannabe dictator. For example, do I "like" Joe Biden? No, I wanted Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg (or for Hillary to run again). But that's how it goes. At least politicians still follow basic norms and you can vote them out of office if you don't like them. Thankfully the system is going to be able to withstand the wannabe dictator in office now, but not for lack of trying from new Hitler and his cult and no thanks to the lack of action from people who did nothing when he was seeking power the past two elections.

I agree. I wish the U.S. had a system with 3 or 4 viable parties. And for there to be ranked choice voting*. But unfortunately neither of those things will ever happen. Voting third party here is essentially letting the opposing party you least identify with win, unfortunately.

* Case in point: By the time primary voting reached NC this cycle, it had pretty much become the Biden v. Bernie show. And so even though I wanted to vote for Buttigieg (and I would've rather had several others before Biden as well), I didn't want to waste my vote and risk handing the primary to Bernie. Ranked choice voting would allow people to vote for who they want without fear of empowering outliers like Trump, Bernie, Tulsi, etc. It's just a shame it'll never happen.
Both parties has their good and rotten apples. Both parties have their fair share on blood on their hands (drones).

In summation: politicians aren't perfect, but they're still dirty.

By the way:

Twitter PERMANENTLY suspended Trump.
 

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Now they can pat themselves in the back for doing the bare minimum. Twitter played a huge role in the rapid social decay of the US. Hell many professionals warned that Twitter and 4chan were breeding grounds for radicals, and I can totally see that.
 

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I really don't want someone who thinks they have nothing to lose to have nuclear launch codes. Amendment 25 this right now.

In addition, Biden will need to come down hard on these domestic terrorists for every second he holds office.

The blues were horribly complacent in 2016, they thought Trump couldn't possibly get elected after speaking and acting like he did, and look what happened. People were making the same mistake this time around too, I kept seeing comments going "after what Trump did, he can't possibly win again". Reminder that although Biden won, Trump got 67 million votes.

If these crazed alt-right cults aren't declared and considered what they really are, that is, terrorists and national security threats, then no one has the right to go surprise pikachu when something far worse than this happens within the next decade.

And this twitter ban is at least two months, if not years too late, the MAGA pot has already been long stirred.
 
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