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An Outline of the Basic Priniciples of Islam (Islam Q&A Thread)



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Nelo Angelo

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I was browsing through this section earlier today and noticed there wasn't really a thread to highlight the teachings of Islam. Brother Jeels did post a link in the pinned thread 'Know Your Religions' but not many will look into it I feel.

Its just that I've found not many are aware of its teachings as they either relate some misinformation brought about from assumptions it seems or don't mention it altogether. Of course their reasons are there own. But I feel I should highlight some basic principles about it. I read a great little booklet that explains it very well in brief that I wanted to post here. Couldn't find it online sadly, so ended up writing it myself. Its named the same as the Title of this thread.

If anyone has any queries after the post feel free to post your thoughts and ask any question that you have to learn more about this religion. There are a few brothers in Islam here along with me who I'm sure wouldn't mind answering your qeuries. Thank You.

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An Outline of the Basic Principles of Islam


It has been related on the authority of ‘Umar ibn Katthab that he said:
“One day while we were with the Messenger of Allah (PBUH), there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journey could be seen on him and none amongst us knew him. He came and sat down by the Prophet (pbuh), then rested his knees against his and placed the palms of his hands on his thighs, and said: “O Muhammad, tell me about Islam.” The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said, Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, to establish prayers, to pay alms, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House (Ka’bah in Makkah) if you are able to make the way there.” He said, “You have spoken rightly,”and we were amazed at him asking him and saying he had spoken rightly.
He said, “Then tell me about Iman.”
He (pbuh) said, It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in destiny, both the good and evil thereof.”
He said, “You have spoken rightly.”
He then said, “Now tell me about Ihsan.”
He said (pbuh), “It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, for though you see Him not yet truly He sees you.”
He said, “Then tell me about the Hour.”
He said (pbuh), “The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner.”
He said, “Then tell me about its signs.”
He (pbuh) said, “That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute, shepherds competing in constructing lofty buildings.”
Then he went away and I stayed for some time. Then (the Messenger (pbuh)) said, “O ‘Umar, do you know who that questioner was?”
I said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.”
He (pbuh) said, “It was Jibra’il (Gabriel). He came to teach you your religion.”(Sahih Muslim Book of Faith)


“Tell me about Islam”


Islam literally means to submit and to surrender. It also means to enter into peace. The idea is that you’re in peace with someone when you’re not fighting or opposing them. Islam is to enter into submission before God and so to enter into peace with Him, the most Wise and all-Powerful, the One whose Will the whole universe obeys. This is what the purpose of true religion has always been and what every man of God has called towards. And this is the call of every person’s nature too, and the reason you consider good as good and bad as bad. Islam is therefore to enter into peace with your own nature too.

“Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah.”

The beginning of this submission, Islam, in its outward form is to submit to the truth that you know inside yourself, that there is only one God, and bear witness to it. Everything apart from the Creator is, like yourself, a created being and always in need of its Maker, and therefore unworthy of your worship. It is only God who is in no need of anything outside of Himself, Absolute and Independent.

The Arabic word for God, Allah is made up of al, the definite article in Arabic meaning, the, and ilah which means God, in contrast to the false forms and images that people’s minds have qualified for worship. It isn’t, therefore, in an way the ‘gods of the Arabs’ or Muslims but the same One and Only God to whom all true divine traditions called.
“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (Al- Qur’an 112:1-4)

Since He is our Creator and the Creator of everything around us, the One who gave us life and all that we’ve ever had, it is His right upon us that we recognise Him and are grateful to Him. And since He is the ultimate One in control, it only makes sense that we obey Him and seek His pleasure; anything else that we live our lives chasing is soon going to end while we, at the end of our road, have to go back to God.

“...and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah...”

Submitting to the truth that comes from God includes accepting the messenger who is sent by God to guide us towards Him. In our case, this is Muhammad (pbuh), the last of the many men sent by God towards humanity.

Muhammad (pbuh) was born in the city of Makkah in Arabia in the sixth century after Christ (pbuh). Twice orphaned, his father passed away before his birth, and his mother passed away when he was only six. He was then taken into care by his grandfather who also passed away a few years later. At his death he entrusted Muhammad (pbuh) to his son Abu Talib, the maternal brother of Muhammad’s (pbuh) father. Muhammad (pbuh) belonged to the noble Banu Hashim clan of the Quraysh tribe, who are direct descendants of the prophets, Abraham (pbuh) and his eldest son, Ishmael (pbuh).

He grew up to be an honest and trustworthy man, caring for orphans, widows and the weak. He was known for his generosity to the poor and also for his uprightness. His people soon came to call him as-Sadiq (the Truthful) and al-Amin (the Trustworthy).

At the age of forty, Muhammad (pbuh) would go to the cave of Hira’ to mediate. The injustices of the tribal communities of Arabia, their disregard for the poor and weak, and their foolish religion of many idols and rituals, all sorrowed him and he would come to this cave to get away from it all, wishing in his heart for guidance. It was in this cave he received the first verse of the Noble Qur’an from God, brought by the Archangel, Gabriel:
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created- Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,- He Who taught (the use of) the pen,- Taught man that which he knew not.” (Al-Qur’an 96:1-5)

For the next twenty-three years, Muhammad (pbuh) was to receive by revelation the final Message of God. Though himself unschooled, unable to read or write, he presented before a world of great poets and orators a clear call so sublime and grand that its greatest men of letters could not meet the challenge of the Qur’an made to “bring forth a chapter like it” (Al-Qur’an 2:23) if they doubted it was from God.

The revelation spoke of the creation of the heavens and the earth and the day they shall be brought to an end; the beginning of man and his journey through life of this world; the Hereafter and man’s reckoning before God; that all people, men or women, black or white, rich or poor are equal in the sight of the God that made them, and that only in their obedience to Him and in doing good to His creatures did anyone gain virtue over another. It makes mention of other great men and women of God in the past, like Jesus and his mother, Mary, as well as those who became proud in their power until it lead to their destruction, like the Pharaoh.

It teaches of God’s mercy and warns against His punishment, and contains His commandments to humankind as well as His prohibitions. In short, it is the guidance to humankind to obtain peace physically, mentally, spiritually and practically in every aspect of their lives, both within them and throughout the world at large, till the end of time. It is to take the people out of ignorance and push them to be intellectuals. To stop committing the most heinous crime of associating others with the only one worthy of worship, or denying Him altogether, and understand the true meaning of Tawheed, the worship to only One God.

Within just over two decades of having received those first verses of the Qur’an, Muhammad (pbuh) gave the call to his people of the Oneness of God, and the oneness of purpose of man, was turned out of his hometown of Makkah and forced to migrate to Madinah, established a state built on justice and equality made up of people of diverse colours and lands such as Persia, Rome, Abyssinia, and Arabia, re-entered Makkah as a conqueror with an army of ten thousand with no bloodshed, and was accepted as Messenger of God by near enough the whole of Arabia, leaving behind a faith that was to spread from the furthest reaches of East to West. In other words of Thomas Carlyle;
“These Arabs, the man Mahomet [sic] , and that one century, - is it not as if a spark had fallen, one spark, on a world of what seemed black unnoticeable sand; but lo! The sand proves explosive powder, blazes heaven-high from Delhi to Granada! I said, the Great man was always as lightning out of Heaven; the rest of men waited for him like fuel, and then they too would aflame...” (Heroes and Hero Worship)

The life of Muhammad (pbuh) was recorded and preserved as that of no other leader in history because after the Word of God, the Qur’an, it is his example and teachings, the Sunnah, that forms the core of Islam.

As the purpose of Divine revelation was now completed and the task of the apostleship fulfilled, Muhammad was declared the last Messenger sent by God; no new prophet will come after him.
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the messenger of Allah, and the seal of the prophets...” (Al-Qur’an 33:40)

This concludes the first pillar of Islam, to “testify that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.” This is known is Arabic as the Shahadah, or the Testimony, the simple declaration with which one enters into Islam. Below are the Arabic words for the Shahadah:

ASH-HADU AL-LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAH, WA ASH-HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN ABDUHU WA RASUL-LU-HU

“I bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and Messenger of Allah.”


“...to establish the prayers...”


The second pillar of Islam is establishing Salah, or regular prayer. Spaced out into five different parts of the day, Salah is a physical expression of submission and devotion to the Almighty. At the time of prayer, believers detach themselves from whatever they may be doing, putting the chores of the life of this world on hold to worship God and to remind themselves that life and everything in its fleeting, and the only God and that which is with Him lasts forever.

It is an expression of gratitude to God for His blessings under which we live every moment of our lives. Salah consists physically of standing, bowing, prostrating, and sitting, changing from one posture to another in the manner shown by the Messenger (pbuh) [explained in Hadiith Book of Salah] Verbally, it is made up of words and praise and glorification of God, and prayers for His blessings and mercy. Passages from the Qur’an are recited while standing, and with their foreheads on the ground like the messenger of the past, believers whisper, “Glory be to God, most High.”

Salah is the obligation on every believer, male or female, from the age of puberty onwards. It is to be performed under all conditions, sitting if one is unable to pray standing, lying down if unable to pray sitting. Prayer may be offered individually or in congregation. When it is performed in congregation, worshippers stand in completely straight rows, standing, bowing, and prostrating shoulder to shoulder, for all men are equal before God. It is best to perform all the five obligatory prayers in congregation in the mosque.

The five daily prayers are:
1. Fajr, performed at dawn before sunrise.
2. Zuhr, performed at noon when the sun starts to decline from the meridian
3. Asr, performed in the afternoon
4. Maghrib, performed just after sunset
5. Isha’, performed at night before going to bed
One can see that a Muslim’s day starts and ends with prayer. This exemplifies the meaning of Islam, submission to God, by living an intimate relationship with God.

On Fridays, the normal noon prayer is replaced by a special congregational prayer, the Jumu’ah Salah. Before the prayer, a sermon (khutbah) is delivered by the Imam (leader or teacher) containing advice on how to best live our day to day lives to gain the pleasure of Allah, to overcome hardships faced in life by understanding the teachings of the Qur’an and Prophetic teachings, and other problems faced in today’s worlds are addressed. The sermon is a reminder and guide and a remembrance of the Almighty.

Before performing prayer, a person must make sure that his body, clothes, and his place of worship are clean. Believers wash their faces, arms and feet and pass wet hands over their head in a ritual cleansing process called Wudu’, in preparation for standing before the Lord of the worlds. Cleanliness and hygiene is of high priority in Islam, and one must be pure in mind, body and soul when standing before his Lord.

“...to pay the poor-due...”


The third pillar is Zakah, a word which literally means “to purify”. By giving a portion of their wealth to those less fortunate, believers who have been blessed with the affluence seek to purify themselves of greed and their wealth from the rights of others. It is a reminder that a person’s wealth is not his own, but its real owner is God. Since He has decreed that a part of it be spent on others, that amount of one’s property now becomes the right of the poor and needy.

Zakah is an act of worship, it is a way of showing sympathy to those who are less fortunate, it is a means to take greed and the lover of money away from our hearts, and is a bridge between the rich and the poor.

Zakah purifies one’s wealth. Wealth on which Zakah is paid is blessed by God, while that on which Zakah has not been paid will be a source of punishment and something which one will answer to before God.
“Of their good take alms, so that you might purify and sanctify them.” (Al-Qur’an 9:103)

“...to fast in Ramadan...”

The fourth pillar is Sawm, or fasting. During the ninth month of the Islamic calendar, Ramadan, it is an obligation on every able and mature believer to abstain from eating, drinking, and intimate marriage relationships from dawn till dusk.
God tells us:
“O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that you may (learn) self-restraint” (Al-Qur’an 2:183)
Fasting is therefore both a physical and spiritual exercise. The Arabic word for piety in the verse above, taqwa, has many meanings, one of the most important of which is God-consciousness. Since fasting is an act of worship which spans over a whole day, it creates a strong awareness of God as believers go about the usual chores of life, but this time constantly reminded that they cannot eat or drink in obedience to God.

Acts which are always forbidden, like evil speech and behaviour, have to be avoided with all the more diligence. Fasting teaches one discipline and trains one to control one’s desires. It develops endurance and steadfastness, and allows one to truly empathise with the hungry and thirsty. These are some of the ways in which Sawm helps a person “attain piety”.

Ramadan is a very spiritual month for Muslims as it was in this month that the revelation of the Qur’an began. Muslims fast during the daylight hours of the month and offer a special prayer in its nights known as Salah at-Tarawih in which the whole Qur’an is completed over the month with recitation of verses during the units of prayer. The fasting subdues one’s desires while the extra worship nourishes the soul and refines one’s higher instincts.

The blessed month is concluded with a day of celebration called ‘Eid al-Fitr’ a day of rejoicing and thanksgiving at the success of completing the month of fasting and sharing with the less fortunate through charity. The Messenger (pbuh) once said, “The person who fasts as two occasions of rejoicing; one at the time of ending his fast, and another at the time of meeting his Lord,” (Sahih Bukhari and Muslim)

“..and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to make the way there.”


The fifth pillar of Islam is to make pilgrimage to the Great House built by Abraham for the worship of God in the Sacred Mosque in Makkah, known as the Ka’bah. This is the Hajj, an obligation on all who can afford the expenses and withstand the journey once in a lifetime.
“Pilgrimage to it (Ka’bah) is a duty men owe to Allah- those who can afford the journey...” (Al-Qur’an 3:97)

Abraham (pbuh) was ordered by God to call people for pilgrimage. It is in response to his call that Muslims flock to Makkah every year. They carry out the acts of Hajj in the footsteps of Abraham (pbuh) with devotion and sincerity. They confirm their readiness to forsake worldly enjoyment and comfort for the sake of God.

Hajj is the annual gathering of Muslims. They come from all over the world to assemble in the Holy Land. It is a true demonstration of the universal nature of Islam and that all Muslims are brothers and equal to one another. Pilgrims wear the same simple sheets and gather on the plain of ‘Arafat, a powerful reminder of the day that all mankind will gather (here) before God for the final judgement. All will stand equal that day except by the degree of piety and righteousness.

“Then tell me about Iman.”


Iman literally means to believe, to have faith. After dealing with the outer aspects of Islam, we now come to the inner dimension: what is it that a believer must have faith in.
“It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in Destiny, both the good and evil thereof.”


The belief in these six fundamental articles of faith is crucial for one to become Muslim.

1. The first is to believe in God, that He alone is the Creator, Sustainer, and Lord of all things. He alone is Great, everything else derives its qualities and properties from Him. There is, therefore, no power or might but through Him, and He alone is worthy of worship.

2. The second is to believe in the angels, beings created by God from pure light. They are always in obedience to God, unable to sin. They have been assigned to various tasks which they carry out faithfully, like conveying revelation to messengers, recording the good and bad deeds of people, protecting people from harm, and bringing the souls to babies in their mothers’ wombs e.t.c. The number of angels is known to God alone, but four well-known in Islamic and Hebrew tradition are Gabriel (Jibrail), Michael (Mika’il), Raphael (Israfil) and Azrael (Izra’il).

3. The third is to believe in the messenger sent by God. These were men chosen by God to deliver His message to their people and call them toward goodness. They were all pious and upright people of who lived their lives according to what they preached, often having to battle against evil and make great sacrifices for the truth. These include Adam, Noah (Nuh), Abraham (Ibrahim), Ishmael (Isma’il), Isaac (Ishaq), Moses (Musa), David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulayman), Jesus (Isa), and last of all, Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon them all). All these men preached the same message of Tawheed and followed not their own desires and will but the will of Almighty God who had sent them. This proclamation in Arabic is the proclamation of a Muslim, to follow the will of God is submission to Him. A Muslim must believe in all who were sent by God and give them due respect, but they are not to be worshipped. Great as they were, they were but men and claimed to be so, sent to guide men towards God.

4. The fourth is to believe in the Books of God which He revealed to His messengers with guidance to Mankind. Of these, four are known to us; the Torah (Tawrah) which was revealed to Moses, the Psalms (Zabur) revealed to David, the Gospel (Injil) revealed to Jesus, and the Qur’an which was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon them all). The earlier scriptures were altered over time with additions and subtractions by men, until the divine became difficult to tell apart from the human. The Qur’an however, being the last revelation, has been preserved by God from any kind of distortion to withstand the test of time. (For more information read the thread Preservation and Literary Challenge of the Qur'an)

5. The fifth is to believe in the Last Day. Divine religion has always taught that all who live will die and one day be raised up again and assembled before God to be judged for their deeds. The deeds of men will be dealt justly and accordingly and they will either be rewarded for their good in Gardens of Paradise or punished for their ignorance and rebellious ways against the truth in levels of Hell. May God preserve us all from this and Guide us.

6. The sixth is to believe that everything that ever comes our way comes to us from God. Since God is the Creator of all things, He too is the One by whose Will everything related to occurs. No atom is set into motion or becomes still, nor is a breath disturbed or quietened except by His allowing it to happen. Being complete in Knowledge, He knew before creating things exactly what they would go on to do once created, and decreed accordingly. What the creation will do is known to Him and the path is known to Him, but the creation does not know. This world and its tribulations is a test for him to better himself and learn from his experiences. And so all that befalls us, whether we consider it good or bad, befalls us by His leave, and all of it has the potential to become both ultimately good or ultimately bad for us, depending on our response to it. The Messenger of God (pbuh) once said:
“How amazing is the affair of the believer – all of his affair is good for him, and this happens with none but the believer. If happiness befalls him, he gives thanks, so that becomes good for him; and if sorrow befalls him, he is patient, so that becomes good for him (too).” (Sahih Muslim Book of Faith)

“Then tell me about Ihsan.”


Ihsan literally means to make beautiful, to do well. Having asked about the physical submission, Islam, and the internal affirmation, Iman, the next question was about the achievement of excellence; what is the highest goal that the believer is to aspire toward in his relationship with his Lord, the closest a human can get to perfection, the ultimate state of beauty?

“It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, for though you see Him not yet truly He sees you.”

The highest state and peak of excellence that a worshipper can attain to, Ihsan, is to behold the Worshipped. It is to fine-tune one’s senses to God, transforming worship from a set of motions to seeing the beauty and glory of the Almighty. And as worship in Islam goes beyond simply the ritual acts of prayer and fasting, e.t.c. to encompass the whole of a life spent in obedience to God, so too is Ihsan to be aspired toward throughout every part of life by becoming perceptive of the presence and beauty of the truly Magnificent and Majestic all around us.

A person in such state of consciousness of God spreads beauty and goodness everywhere he or she goes, because of the beauty and goodness that they are constantly in touch with. Achieving excellence, Ihsan, in one’s relationship with one’s Maker takes one to excellence in everything he or she does and is; one becomes a Muhsin, a doer of good, of beauty. If you live “as though you are seeing Him”, or at least with the awareness that “truly He sees you”, you become anxious of choosing what is pleasing and beautiful in His sight in everything you do; the way you speak to those around you and interact with them, the way you respond to different situations, the way you treat even animals in nature. Effectively, you are always with God.
“For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good.” (Al-Qur’an 16:128)

“Then tell about the Hour.”

“The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner.”

The appointed time of the Final Hour of Reckoning, or Judgement Day, is amongst the best kept secret in existence. Its knowledge was not vouchsafed to either angel or messenger.
“They ask you about the (final) hour – when will be its appointed time? Say: “The knowledge of it is with my Lord (alone): none but He can reveal as to when it will occur. Heavy were its burden through the heavens and the earth. Only all of a sudden will it come to you...” (Al-Qur’an 7:187)

“Then tell me about its signs.”


“That the slave girl will give birth to her mistress, and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute shepherds competing in constructing lofty buildings.”

Two of the signs of the imminence of the Hour are mentioned here. The first has been understood to mean various things, including that mothers would give birth to overbearing and oppressive children. It is worthy to note the civilisation of Islam went on to give rise to the Modern World by introducing Europe to learning and culture when it was in its ‘Dark Ages’, thereby planting the seeds of Europe’s Renaissance. And it was this same Modern World that was to colonise and enslave virtually all the Muslim World.

The second sign is one that has physically been witnessed in our times all over the world, but mostly literally in Arabia, as those who were shepherds for generations suddenly found themselves sitting on oil. Sudden wealth may be a great gift, but it is also a great test.

Both the signs mentioned related to social wrongs; the mistreatment by the powerful of those who brought them to power, and the gross materialism that infects those of wealth who had, until not long ago, been needy themselves. It has to cause concern, then, that the age we live in is characterised above all else by social injustice and the lavish extravagance of the wealthy while millions struggle with poverty.

“Do you know who the questioner was? It was Gabriel. He came to you teach you your religion.”


And so this was the exchange between the Archangel Gabriel and the Seal of the Messengers, Muhammad (pbuh), concluded. It took place, we now learn, for our benefit; to encapsulate for us comprehensively the guidance sent for the last time from the heavens to humanity. Islam is a declaration of truth and worship according to it; it is a teaching of pure beliefs and a clear creed; it is an instruction of beauty in word and deed, and of spreading beauty by living in consciousness of the Source of Beauty. And in the end, lest we should become distracted by the world and its pursuit, we are reminded of the reality of the Final Reckoning before God.

“And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to Allah. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly.”
(Al-Qur’an 2:281)

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Hmm... What I'm getting from this is that many of the principals of Islam are similar to those of other religions. It's very interesting. Kinda breaks down a lot of walls and builds a lot of bridges when you think about it. Of course the key beliefs, for the most part, line up with that of the other Abrahamic religions.

A very good read. I'm sure many Christians and Jews would find it very interesting.
 

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Yep there would be similarities to the other Abrahamic faiths, as those Messengers are regarded as Messengers of Islam as the part of belief in Messengers explains. So there practice and principles was from the same source, Allah, and there practice and principle in essence was Islam.

I hope so ;)
 

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This is was a pretty interesting read. But, now I'm slightly confused on some matters.

4. The fourth is to believe in the Books of God which He revealed to His messengers with guidance to Mankind. Of these, four are known to us; the Torah (Tawrah) which was revealed to Moses, the Psalms (Zabur) revealed to David, the Gospel (Injil) revealed to Jesus, and the Qur’an which was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon them all). The earlier scriptures were altered over time with additions and subtractions by men, until the divine became difficult to tell apart from the human. The Qur’an however, being the last revelation, has been preserved by God from any kind of distortion to withstand the test of time. (For more information read the thread Preservation and Literary Challenge of the Qur'an)

This Psalms? Or is there a different one?

And the Gospel, unless this is a different Gospel, is 4 Books, each from different perspectives, Mathew, Mark, Luke, John. And what's getting me is that these 4, and Jesus, were all Jewish up until Jesus' death. Plus, it's in the Gospels that we learn Jesus is the son of God. I thought in Islam Jesus was only a prophet? If he was, then he couldn't be the Son of God and then the Gospel couldn't be true. I'm genuinely confused here.

The five daily prayers are:
1. Fajr, performed at dawn before sunrise.
2. Zuhr, performed at noon when the sun starts to decline from the meridian
3. Asr, performed in the afternoon
4. Maghrib, performed just after sunset
5. Isha’, performed at night before going to bed
One can see that a Muslim’s day starts and ends with prayer. This exemplifies the meaning of Islam, submission to God, by living an intimate relationship with God.

Are Muslims only allowed to pray at these times, and now allowed at any other time? Seems a little weird that you wouldn't be allowed to pray whenever.

5. The fifth is to believe in the Last Day. Divine religion has always taught that all who live will die and one day be raised up again and assembled before God to be judged for their deeds. The deeds of men will be dealt justly and accordingly and they will either be rewarded for their good in Gardens of Paradise or punished for their ignorance and rebellious ways against the truth in levels of Hell. May God preserve us all from this and Guide us.

So, even if a person is not of the Islamic faith, but they do good, they will not go to hell? And if a person is of Islamic faith, but they do bad, they go to hell?
 

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This is was a pretty interesting read. But, now I'm slightly confused on some matters.

This Psalms? Or is there a different one?

Hey bro. I’ll try my best to clear up the confusions.

(Bismillahirahmaniraheem)

The four books that are mentioned by name in the Qur'an should be understood to be those scriptures, revealed to those Prophets, in their pure forms. As in, directly to them. We must assess carefully those books we have now that claim to be those aforementioned books. If we look at the Bible, an encyclopeadia of 66 books (72 if your a Catholic following the Douay, or 82 books if you follow the millennium edition) does indeed claim that it has the three books mentioned earlier in fact, apart from the Qur'an of course. But is this the case when we look into it? It is a big claim to make so must be carefully assessed of course.

The Torah is said to be the first 5 books of the Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, all written by Moses (pbuh). But when we read, we see it is all in a narrative of another writer who is writing about Moses (pbuh) and not Moses (pbuh) writing himself. Furthermore, in Deuteronomy Moses (pbuh) writes his own obituary which is obviously not possible, how ca he mention his time of death, place of death and events after his death? Basically it all raises questions as to whether it is the Torah. Biblical scholars (read the revised standard version) tell us that it is highly doubtful that this is the case because of these facts.

The second Book, the Psalms, is also claimed to be in the Bible, however, according to the Revised Standard Version, revised by 32 Christian Scholars and backed by 50 denominations of Christendom give a list of authors for each book of the bible. (If you look into Collin’s RSV 1971 edition pages 12-17) The author for the Psalms is given as ‘Principally David although there are other writers’. This alone is enough to say it is not the Psalms. Portions of verse in the Psalms found in the Bible might be in relation to the revelation, but how are we to know what was the revelation given to him and what was written by other writers? I am not attacking just to clarify =/ just stating the facts that we have come to know and can evidently see that points to them not being those same divine revalations for us to follow.


And the Gospel, unless this is a different Gospel, is 4 Books, each from different perspectives, Mathew, Mark, Luke, John.

The third Divine Book mentioned in the Qur'an is the Injil, which again Christendom has claimed to be the Bible, and some claim it to be the four Gospels and not the Bible, which would be a more intelligent claim as the Bible as we know is a collection of books.
Now the Qur’an mentions the Injil given to Jesus (pbuh). We have to read and understand carefully. The four gospels were not given to Jesus (pbuh) were they? They don’t bear his name but names of others, with only two actually being his disciples, John and Matthew, the other two were not. We know, according to the Biblical scholars, not one book of the Bible is authored by Jesus (pbuh), or to God for that matter as all have other authors, with some having unknown authors.
So we come to realise that it isn’t those four Gospels that are the Injil mentioned but must be a different Gospel. Furthermore, these 4 Gospels we know were written centuries after Jesus's (pbuh) time and according to scholar J.B Phillips the gospel writers, especially Matthews’s gospel was not even written by them. From these evidences, we can quite easily conclude that the Tawrah, Zabur, and Injil are not the same as those claimed to be in the Bible.

Allah makes it clear in the Qur'an that these books have not been kept in their true form, man had corrupted them after they had been revealed to them through the messengers.

"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they then change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent to them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind"
[Chapter 5 Al-Mai’da (The Table Spread): Verse 13]

"From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done."
[Chapter 5 Al-Mai’da (The Table Spread): Verse 14]

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: ‘This is from Allah’ to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby.”
[Chapter 2 Al-Baqrah (The Cow): Verse 79]

In His Wisdom, He did not see fit to preserve them as the message and the guidance of the true relgion was not yet complete. It was still being taught to mankind through the advent of many other messengers after the previous ones. But He continued to send revelation to the nations through His Messengers to continue to teach and guide the people and take them away from the corruption that had been created by the hands of men. Those individuals had changed the words for their own gains and twisted teachings. God out of His mercy continued to send Prophets and Messenger to correct their ways. Untill finally the message and His True Religion was complete, and for a surety this had to be preserverd as no more was to be taught, or taken away. It was complete.

“Verily, We have revealed the Reminder, and verily We shall preserve it.”
[Chapter 15 Al-Hijr (The Rocky Track): Verse 9


And what's getting me is that these 4, and Jesus, were all Jewish up until Jesus' death.

Indeed they were Jewish. But let me ask a question, was that a religion during their time? Do we read in the Old Testament that Judaism was a religion of Moses, and the Jews at the time were following that religion? Or do we read in the New Testament Christianity to be a religion.
The Jew’s at the time followed the Law of Moses. His religion was not Judaism was it? How can it be, when one who was a Jew, simply meant one was from the province of Judah. It was basically a geographical term to describe those people from Judah. His religion was purely to seek peace through submission to the will of God. His people were to be at peace with themselves and in their society by following the command of God. That was their way of life.
Same goes for Jesus (pbuh). He never mentioned that the religion for his followers to be Christianity or that it was the religion ordaiend by God. He followed the way of life of Moses (pbuh) before him. Both the terms Judaism and Christianity were not heard in either’s lifetime. Am I wrong there? Jesus (pbuh) gives the answer to the way of life ordained by God in Gospel of John, Ch5:V30,
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
One word for one who follows not his will but the will of God? Muslim.


Plus, it's in the Gospels that we learn Jesus is the son of God. I thought in Islam Jesus was only a prophet? If he was, then he couldn't be the Son of God and then the Gospel couldn't be true. I'm genuinely confused here.

I think this question is answered to a certain degree in my previous answer about the Gospels, we learnt the Gospel was not written by Jesus (pbuh) nor authorised by him as it was written centuries after his deat. Indeed the Gospel writers, Paul, and other writers of the Bible say that he is the Son of God. But not something Jesus (pbuh) said nor unambiguously claimed. This is however a problem in Christianity, whether he was the son of God or not as there are many denominations who don’t believe at all that he was the son but a Prophet. The Qur’an makes it clear, and Jesus (pbuh) himself to be honest in the Bible, that God is only One without partners or sons. He begets not nor is He begotten and there is nothing like unto him. In Islam it is clear who he was, he was one of the mightiest Messengers of God. He was Prophet and Messenger as should be understood from the Bible too my brother.
In the Qur'an, in Chapter 3 verses 47 to 57, we are told who he was and what was his purpose and his way of life was.

She said(Mary): "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said (Gabriel): "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
"And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
"And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
"'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
"'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
"Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."
And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
"As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."
[Chapter 3: 47-57]



Are Muslims only allowed to pray at these times, and now allowed at any other time? Seems a little weird that you wouldn't be allowed to pray whenever.

No they are not limited to just those times, there are many other Salah that can be prayed, and should be performed in certain circumstances. It is just that those prayers are a minimum requirement at those stated times. They are the obligatory prayers.
But there are many other Salah in Islam performed during certain situations, such as Salat-ul-Janazah, the funeral Prayer, Salat-ul-Tahajjud, the night prayer (between Isha and Fajr), Wudu prayer, 2 units after performing Wudu (ablution to purify oneself), 2 units of prayer after adhan (call to prayer), salat-ul-Tarawih, prayed during the month of Ramadan everyday as was explained in the post, the Eid salah, prayed on the days of Eid.
Along with those, other optional salah is highly encouraged, they are known as Nawafil prayers. There are however two times that Salah has been prohibited to perform, these times are when the sun rises up until it is above the horizon by the length of a spear (about twenty minutes after sun rise), when the sun is at its zenith and when the sun turns dull in radiance such that one can look at it until it sets (about twenty minutes to half an hour before sun set). Apart from that any time you wish, you can pray however many optional prayers you wish. The more optional prayers you pray, the closer it brings a person to their creator.


So, even if a person is not of the Islamic faith, but they do good, they will not go to hell? And if a person is of Islamic faith, but they do bad, they go to hell?

Firstly, we must remember what Islam means, it is one who obtains peace through submission to God. One who is born into a Muslim family, claiming they are Muslim, with a Muslim name, does not necessarily mean they are Muslim. It is the heart and intention that define that. No one can truly tell whether someone is, only the person themselves and Allah know.

Second, it is only a believer will have the chance to enter Paradise. That faith is in relation to the creed of Iman that was clarified in the original post, so in essence in his heart he must be Muslim by the full definition of the word and that would mean to have Imaan.

There is a chapter in the Qur'an that makes it quite clear to what are the criterias for a person to enter Paradise. It is just four verses long amazingly. Such is the beauty of the Qur'an. It is Surah Asr. (Time)

"By (the Token of) Time (through the ages), Verily Man is in loss, Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy."
(Chapter 103)


You must have Faith (the six articles of faith), do righteous deeds, bring people to the True path, and bring people to Patience and Constancy. In other words it is to be a Muslim in the full definition of the Word and follow the teachings of Islam.

On the Day, all will be judged accordingly. It is taught that if your bad deeds outweigh your good then you will be punished in hellfire, and if it’s the opposite you will be rewarded with the Gardens of Paradise. However, this is also the day that Allah showers his Mercy on those who are deserving, and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) intercession will be for those who have believed. There is a chance for the believer to still enter Paradise even if his bad deeds have outweighed.

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "When Allah completed the creation, He wrote in His Book which is with Him on His Throne, "My Mercy overpowers My anger.”
[Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 416]

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, Allah divided mercy into one-hundred parts and He kept its ninety-nine parts with Him and sent down its one part on the earth, and because of that, its one single part, His creations are Merciful to each other, so that even the mare lifts up its hoofs away from its baby animal, lest it should trample on it."
[Sahih Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 73, Number 29]

The rest of His mercy will be used on the Day of Judgement we are told. SubhanAllah (Glory be to Allah)
 
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I felt this video was relevant.

Also, a question for fellow Muslims: Is Allah All-Loving?

I do not think so, according to the Qu'ran nor do I have a problem with that.
 

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Lol ‘Legally Blonde’? What up with that bruv? :D

Hm, I'm trying to understand your question..I'm guessing you mean you don't believe it in the concept of the Chritendom term of God is All Loving, even loving those who are sinners. I agree. If I relay to you this Hadiith, it should be sufficient for us to understand:


Abu Hurayrah narrated, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:
If Allah has loved a servant [of His] He calls Gabriel (on whom be peace) and says: I love So-and-so, therefore love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So Gabriel loves him. Then he (Gabriel) calls out in heaven, saying: Allah loves So-and-so, therefore love him. And the inhabitants of heaven love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: Then acceptance is established for him on earth. And if Allah has abhorred a servant [of His], He calls Gabriel and says: I abhor So-and-so, therefore abhor him. So Gabriel abhors him. Then Gabriel calls out to t...he inhabitants of heaven: Allah abhors So-and-so, therefore abhor him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So they abhor him, and abhorrence is established for him on earth.
[Found in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim (also by Iman Malik, and Iman-Tirmidhi in their Sunan)]


In the Qur'an, Allah mentions one of His attributes as Al-Wadud, which is the Loving One. He indeed loves those who love Him. These are they who truly love Him by doing what He loves, and remembering Him in their deeds. By saying you love Allah it is not enough, actions depend upon it as well as your heart. They must be one in this respect. The person who loves Him, follows His command and strives to please Him, and in turn Allah loves Him. However, those who do not obey or love Allah, and continuously transgress limits, knowing that they are, are not loved by Him. This does not mean He is unjust however, for Allah is the most Just. They still receive His 'Love' in terms of Mercy. Which is described in two forms in the Qura'n. (It should be noted that they we humans love and the way God loves is not the same, remember ‘There is none like unto Him’. Allahs qualities are unique to Him.)

I’ll just put in quotes an article by Dr. M. Amir Ali explaining the Mercy aspect.


Love must be translated in action, attitude and behavior, otherwise it is just a word without meaning. Similarly Allah's love is translated in His attributes of forgiving, compassion and mercy. Look around and you will find that Allah's mercy is spread all around. "Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Raheem" means "In the name of Allah the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate." The words are AR-RaHMan and AR-RaHeeM. AR represents the article AL, meaning "the". The root word is RHM, which may be read as RaHiMa or RaHaMa, means mercy. Allah does not use two identical words next to each other unless there is a difference in their meaning.
Allah is Ar-Raheem for all humankind irrespective of their belief in Allah and their character whether they believe in Allah or not; whether they are good-doers or evil-doers; they all obtain their sustenance from Allah. Many evil people are very rich because Allah decided to give them all the wealth and good things of this life; this is because Allah is Ar-Raheem. Allah is also Ar-Rahman for the believers in Him; they are good-doers. They receive special blessings from Allah, that is, happiness and contentment in this life and reward in the hereafter.
In the Qur'an Allah says that He does not love those who reject Him (3:32), does not love those who are transgressors (2:57, 140, 5:87, 7:55), does not love those who are evil-livers (5:64), does not love evil talk (4:148) and others. In all these cases love is connected to the deeds of a person. At the same time Allah does not deprive them of anything in this life. You will not find that all good people are rich and all sinners are living in poverty and a wretched life. Allah gives a person life-long opportunity to turn away from the life of sin and disobedience and receive His forgiveness. Conversely, Allah says, "Say, if you love Allah, obey me (Muhammad), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful" (3:31). If you love Allah show it in your conduct and obey Allah and His Messenger, for obedience of His Messenger is the obedience of Allah (4:80). It means our expression of love is in obedience.
See what Allah also says in the Qur'an, "Say: O My slaves (mankind) who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, Who forgives all sins. Lo! He is the Forgiving, the Merciful..." (39:53-58). Here the message is that those who commit evil are doing wrong and hurting themselves in this life and the next, however, Allah's forgiveness has no limits and the only condition is asking for forgiveness and repentance (not committing wrongs again knowingly).
Those deserving of the Mercy of Allah recieve it. Also the Mercy of Allah is truly immense and this just shows His love.

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "When Allah completed the creation, He wrote in His Book which is with Him on His Throne, "My Mercy overpowers My anger.”
[Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 416]

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, Allah divided mercy into one-hundred parts and He kept its ninety-nine parts with Him and sent down its one part on the earth, and because of that, its one single part, His creations are Merciful to each other, so that even the mare lifts up its hoofs away from its baby animal, lest it should trample on it."
[Sahih Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 73, Number 29]


These hadiith’s highlight the love of Allah to his creation. But it is His creation that need that Love, God does not need us to love Him, but that love of His is there so that mankind can learn to be loving to one another. As another Hadiith says

Narrated Jarir bin ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger said, [FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.”[/FONT]
[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 473]

So yeah as the quality of Allah describes, He is the Loving One. But those who do not show love or love Allah, as in they knowingly sin and do those things that are evil in the sight of Allah, He does not love them.
Again the Hadiith:

Abu Hurayrah narrated, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:
"If Allah has loved a servant [of His] He calls Gabriel (on whom be peace) and says: I love So-and-so, therefore love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So Gabriel loves him. Then he (Gabriel) calls out in heaven, saying: Allah loves So-and-so, therefore love him. And the inhabitants of heaven love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: Then acceptance is established for him on earth. And if Allah has abhorred a servant [of His], He calls Gabriel and says: I abhor So-and-so, therefore abhor him. So Gabriel abhors him. Then Gabriel calls out to t...he inhabitants of heaven: Allah abhors So-and-so, therefore abhor him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So they abhor him, and abhorrence is established for him on earth."

As mentioned, He is Just. And so they will still recieve something for the good they do and still get what they earn. As Allah says in the Qur'an, "Every souls gets the good that it earns and the evil that it earns." (Ch 2 v286) The good they get is however, only in this life, the one who truly loves Allah, knows that the pleasures of this world are nothing, absoloutley nothing, compared to the Hereafter, and aim to please Allah for the love of the next life, where they will meet Him, InshaAllah.

So in short, God is Loving, but not All loving in the sense that those who continuously disobey Him and not belivers are not Loved by Him, although they recieve His mercy. Every soul gets what it earns.
 
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Long story.

I meant, the Holy Qu'ran says several times God does not love the sinner. This is opposite the Christian concept that God hates sin but loves the sinner. Loving, yes, but not all-loving.
 

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[video=youtube;Ib9rofXQl6w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w[/video]

Not gonna lie, I didn't read this thread. I just suggest everyone watch this video.

bwahahaha

is this guy an idiot and got everything wrong

number one: shariah law actually doesn't apply to non-muslims

number two: he ignored all the vast text and example of men treating women like queens and actually very, very well

number three: the part about abrogation is actually wrong

number four: nelo will probably do a better job than me and explaining

number five: i suggest you actually do read through the thread including the latest video i posted because if you believe this idiot then golly

number six: he got the last part wrong too c:

nice effort, though


 

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I'm not trying to insult Muslims or attack the religion or anything (unlike so many of you do with Christianity), I'm just posting what I've seen and what I've read and what I've heard.

A warning about the following video, there are a lot of disturbing images and clips.

LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie (New Version 4-4-2008)

And I'm not saying all Muslims are like this, just to put that out there.
 

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I'm not trying to insult Muslims or attack the religion or anything (unlike so many of you do with Christianity), I'm just posting what I've seen and what I've read and what I've heard.

A warning about the following video, there are a lot of disturbing images and clips.

LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie (New Version 4-4-2008)

And I'm not saying all Muslims are like this, just to put that out there.

1) Really?

2) I somehow doubt you don't have some sort of ulterior motive for posting such in this thread. Everyone, including Muslims, know of extremists so why the unneccessary propogation? I don't care, I think my faith is big enough and has enough of a intellectual as well moral foundation to handle it but I can't shake off the feeling you need to look within and ask yourself "Am I Islamophobic?"

3) Muslims are actually disallowed from insulting Christians and Christianity in the Qu'ran. Some of us break this rule unfortunately. I know I do. But to instigate a majority does this, is false.

4) http://www.youtube.com/user/LoonWatchTV#p/u
 

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1) Really?

2) I somehow doubt you don't have some sort of ulterior motive for posting such in this thread. Everyone, including Muslims, know of extremists so why the unneccessary propogation? I don't care, I think my faith is big enough and has enough of a intellectual as well moral foundation to handle it but I can't shake off the feeling you need to look within and ask yourself "Am I Islamophobic?"

3) Muslims are actually disallowed from insulting Christians and Christianity in the Qu'ran. Some of us break this rule unfortunately. I know I do. But to instigate a majority does this, is false.

4) ‪LoonWatchTV's Channel‬‏ - YouTube

1. I am not Islamophobic. I have nothing against individual Muslims. I'm of Middle Eastern descent, I have nothing against arab people.

2. My "motive" is just to inform people what I personally have seen. Islam in the United States and Islam in the Middle East are two completely different things.

3. Yes I know there is a difference between extremists and non-extremists. I understand that not all Muslims are, as these videos would have you believe, "evil". People are people, religious faiths are religious faiths. There are extremist Christians. There are some pretty messed up sects of Christianity. Anyone from any religion can be an extremist. I have never read the Qu'ran but from what I've heard, it condones and even encourages extremist behavior. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
 

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Good.

Yes, go on, inform us more of how bad it is there.

You are interpreting this as an attack, so, naturally, you're not going to listen to a word I say.

Do you know there is a campaign in the Middle East that is nothing short of ethnic cleansing? All over the Middle East, Christian churches are being bombed. Granted it's not as grand scale as the Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide, it's still ethnic cleansing. Hundreds have died and there are videos, news articles, and news broadcasts to prove it. (CNN did a segment last December)

Do you know that, in Egypt, everyone was given a Social Security number? If you're Muslim it ends in a 1, if not it ends in a 2. There's a lot of tension in that part of the world. Even if everyone is equal de jure, de facto that's not the case. Even something as negligible as SSN proves that.

You want more? Or would you rather end this little squabble? I'd rather you not think I'm here simply to bash Islam.
 

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Oh no, I know it's awful.

I'm just saying it's redundant. And slightly biased. Keep it cool.

But misinformation is misinformation. Also, ethnic cleansing? Sounds paranoid. If it is, I see more Muslims killed than Chrisitans and victim comparison is petty. By both sides. It's fueled by stupid politics, greed, years of history.

And did you know the most powerful religious leaders in Egypt are denouncing any form of non-secular goverment? Not because they're against their religion but understand that their country is in the shitter and an abused dog will seize the opportunity to become an abusee.

I'm not squabbling. Mildly entertained, if anything. But like I said, if I see misinformation then I'll 'attack' it and by that I mean clear things up. But in my opinion, you are coming across as exactly what that.
 

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Oh no, I know it's awful.

I'm just saying it's redundant. And slightly biased. Keep it cool.

But misinformation is misinformation. Also, ethnic cleansing? Sounds paranoid. If it is, I see more Muslims killed than Chrisitans and victim comparison is petty. By both sides. It's fueled by stupid politics, greed, years of history.

And did you know the most powerful religious leaders in Egypt are denouncing any form of non-secular goverment? Not because they're against their religion but understand that their country is in the shitter and an abused dog will seize the opportunity to become an abusee.

I'm not squabbling. Mildly entertained, if anything. But like I said, if I see misinformation then I'll 'attack' it and by that I mean clear things up. But in my opinion, you are coming across as exactly what that.

Well then I apologize, not how I intended.

Clearly I am misinformed in some aspects. I still stand by my notion that Islam in the Middle East is very different from Islam in other parts of the world. Whether or not you choose to agree is your decision.

I have no bias against any religion or race, I'm just reiterating what I've heard and what I've seen. Perhaps I misinterpreted.

Are all Muslims extremists? No. Are a lot of them extremists? No. Are there Muslim extremists? Yes, as well as Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, Hindu extremists, whatever. I recognize that.

But in the Qu'ran, to my knowledge, it says extremism is ok. It teaches that Islam is spread by the sword (like Muhammad did) and that he who kills non-muslims in the name of Allah will be granted a one way trip to paradise.

At least, that's what I've been taught to believe.
 

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But in the Qu'ran, to my knowledge, it says extremism is ok. It teaches that Islam is spread by the sword (like Muhammad did) and that he who kills non-muslims in the name of Allah will be granted a one way trip to paradise.

At least, that's what I've been taught to believe.

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This is the man who was stoned by children and still loved them. This was the man who conquered the city that shunned him, attacked his friends and family physically and mentally, peacefully. This was the man who nursed back the woman who used to dump garbage on him. This was the man who was an orphan and who lost several children and loves. This was the man who despite all this, always smiled. This was the man who when God, in his anger, offered him to destroy a city, the city that wronged him, he said no. This was the man who preached killing one life, just one, is equal to that of killing all of humanity and saving one is like saving all of humanity. This is the man who socially reformed a primitive land, who told the people that buried newborn females that raising daughters properly grants you paradise. Did Muhammed (pbuh) engage in and direct warfare? Yes. Did he attack anyone unjustly or conduct war unjustly? No. Did he spread his religion by the way of a sword? No.

As for the Qu'ran, bring any verses that concern you. Me and Nelo (if he's willing) and any other Muslim will dispel any myths propagating such a view.
 

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Oof looks like I'm late to the party.

Well for the video, seems like I don't need to say much as the video Brother 'Legally Blonde' :D lol posted pretty much clears it all up.
(link to video again --> ‪3 Things About Islam‬‏ - YouTube)

Brother Virus, one importnat thing you have to note is, that the refuted video to the 3 things about islam, gave REFERENCES!! It backed up its arguement with references. The one you posted gave not one, not one, for its arguement. And if you brother didn't bother to read this thread, there is no way you went to check up what the guy said to be truth or falsehood from the Qur'an itself. He said a very good point at the begining which I completely agree with:

" READ THE QUR'AN FOR YOURSELF!"

As for your point about how there is a difference between the Islam of the Middle East and in other parts of the world, what are you trying to say there? That its two different relgions? Don't judge the religion by its followers, judge it by its teachings, where would you find them? The Qur'an and Sunnah. Reeeeaadd. Don't just believe what you hear man.

And yes what you say about Muhamamd and Islam being spread by the sword, where is your evidence for this? As the Qur'an says, "Produce your proof if you are truthful."

The truth is you haven't heard the truth about Islam and have been misguided. Brother, thats fine you're not the only one. That was the point of this thread, to teach and clear those misconceptions. So ask questions that you want answers in and InshaAllah, me and my brothers (and sisters if there any here) will try our best to give you some answers.
 

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dudebro

This is the man who was stoned by children and still loved them. This was the man who conquered the city that shunned him, attacked his friends and family physically and mentally, peacefully. This was the man who nursed back the woman who used to dump garbage on him. This was the man who was an orphan and who lost several children and loves. This was the man who despite all this, always smiled. This was the man who when God, in his anger, offered him to destroy a city, the city that wronged him, he said no. This was the man who preached killing one life, just one, is equal to that of killing all of humanity and saving one is like saving all of humanity. This is the man who socially reformed a primitive land, who told the people that buried newborn females that raising daughters properly grants you paradise. Did Muhammed (pbuh) engage in and direct warfare? Yes. Did he attack anyone unjustly or conduct war unjustly? No. Did he spread his religion by the way of a sword? No.

As for the Qu'ran, bring any verses that concern you. Me and Nelo (if he's willing) and any other Muslim will dispel any myths propagating such a view.

Again I have never read the Qu'ran, so I had no idea of all these stories of Muhammad. Even if he didn't spread his religion by the sword, I'm more than certain his descendants did as part of the expansion of the Ottoman Empire.

As for violent passages, again I have never read the Qu'ran, but here are some passages I found on the internet. Please disillusion me.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:41-42) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Would you like more? I think you can see why I, as well as many others, find it hard to believe that Islam is truly a religion of peace.

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Oof looks like I'm late to the party.

Well for the video, seems like I don't need to say much as the video Brother 'Legally Blonde' :D lol posted pretty much clears it all up.
(link to video again --> ‪3 Things About Islam‬‏ - YouTube)

Brother Virus, one importnat thing you have to note is, that the refuted video to the 3 things about islam, gave REFERENCES!! It backed up its arguement with references. The one you posted gave not one, not one, for its arguement. And if you brother didn't bother to read this thread, there is no way you went to check up what the guy said to be truth or falsehood from the Qur'an itself. He said a very good point at the begining which I completely agree with:

" READ THE QUR'AN FOR YOURSELF!"

As for your point about how there is a difference between the Islam of the Middle East and in other parts of the world, what are you trying to say there? That its two different relgions? Don't judge the religion by its followers, judge it by its teachings, where would you find them? The Qur'an and Sunnah. Reeeeaadd. Don't just believe what you hear man.

And yes what you say about Muhamamd and Islam being spread by the sword, where is your evidence for this? As the Qur'an says, "Produce your proof if you are truthful."

The truth is you haven't heard the truth about Islam and have been misguided. Brother, thats fine you're not the only one. That was the point of this thread, to teach and clear those misconceptions. So ask questions that you want answers in and InshaAllah, me and my brothers (and sisters if there any here) will try our best to give you some answers.

Again I'm reiterating what I have heard, but above are a lot of passages that I would appreciate if they were explained.
 
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