Your Opinion: The Player's Dream

[kupo1121]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player's Dream

I must say after reading Kazr's post on the last page and looking into Chi that Chi's storyline is perhaps as complicated and probably more confusing than all the rest of the KH story's combined lol Am I the only one really REALLY lost. If so, sorry <_<

 

[SoundMatch]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player's Dream

The problem with Chi is the existence of Chirithy.

Before we learn about 2.5's secret movie, we assumed that Chi is a fairytale rendition of the ancient Keyblade War and the only things canon are the Foretellers, Book of Prophecies, and Chirithy itself (probably).

But the first contradiction occurred in the 1st Anniversary Event, when it is revealed that Chirithy knows who Mickey is. If Chi takes place in the ancient past, how is this possible? Plus there is the scene with Mickey and a black coat figure as well.

Then the secret movie affirmed that the card system Chi used is created from the Book of Prophecies. And also brings about the possibility that Chi itself is a data world. Think of it as a simulation like data Twilight Town. Chi could be a simulation of the Keyblade War instead of a fairytale based on past events.

So here's a problem. If Chi happens in the past, how do you explain Mickey and gang? Treating it as non-canon will void the scene between him and the black coat figure.

If Chi is a data world, maybe Chirithy's role is an administrator or something? Like either Namine & DiZ in KH2 or Data Riku?

I think that knowing solving Chirithy's identity and purpose is the most important thing to learn the truth in Chi. If he is really canon.

What we know so far is that he is created by a master, there is 1 Chirithy per player and is tasked to lead the players in collecting light. Also if the player dies, so does his Chirithy (although we learn this through a death of a NPC who is said to be another player, so it may be a lie).
The latest mission in Chi is about Chirithy discovering a new Heartless (Minute Bomb, emblem) and asked the players to defeat it. After the mission, he told the player to rest for the day and we got the above scene. The dream is incomplete by the way.

I have a theory (who doesn't in this forum). There is one way to explain how he knows Mickey without it being a plot hole. We are told by Kairi's Grandma that a huge conflict, presumably the keyblade war took place in the age of myth. However what if that's not true? Nobodies were revealed to have the capacity to grow/replace a heart, so this would not be the first time something in KH that we thought was true that could be overturned. I'm willing to put my money on this war being merely a few generations ago from Master Eraqus. In BBS in seemed as if Keyblade Masters were disconnected from one another. Just focused on preserving their currently dying culture and traditions. Vanitas did say that Keyblade wielders will "flock here" and we know Xehanort lets no stone untured. Therefore if he had contact with other Keyblade Wielders he would have definitely set up some plans for them and perhaps even tried to persuade them into helping him. So during the rebuilding of the worlds Keyblade wielders were probably seperated.

Another thing that should be of concern is the princesses of heart. We are told they rebuilt the worlds as they are by Yen Sid on multiple occasions. As I'm sure Kairi isn't alive at this point, it may be possible that this divine right/hearts of light are passed down. Perhaps a Ritual was performed and when the person meets the right criteria they become a new princess of heart. Sound familiar? I think the Keyblade inheritance was based on this mechanic since they are both based on the power of hearts after all. Although the princess of heart ritual is still a theory in itself I think it may be possible.

Honestly that dark dream thing is just an advertisement for the PvP haha. I really hope they've dropped it. I dont want to get owned by Zeke o(0~0)o.

 

[Vanitas666]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

I get so fucking jelaouse whenever I read about this game.
Can't they just announce that western release already?

 

[The_Echo]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player's Dream

Another thing that should be of concern is the princesses of heart. We are told they rebuilt the worlds as they are by Yen Sid on multiple occasions.

It was the Light within the hearts of children that rebuilt the World.

The Princesses of Heart simply correspond with the seven pieces of Light from the χ-blade.

 

[ShardofTruth]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

Strange that the other Chirithy is noticable darker. Also here is a complete transcript of the new missions if anyone is interested:

Spoiler Show

Story 11-1:
デイブレイクタウンの市場で
モーグリが困っているようだ。
噴水広場の西側の扉から市場へ向かおう。

Moogle:
困ったクポ……
せっかく仕入れた材料を
市場でなくしてしまったクポ。
このままだと商品売り切れ。
お得意様も困るクポ？
だから材料探しを
手伝ってほしいクポ。
材料は市場のいろんなところに
落ちてると思うクポ。
よろしくたのむクポ！

Story 11-1
モーグリが市場でなくしてしまった材料を
10個見つけてあげよう。

Moogle:
材料は市場のいろんなところに
落ちてると思うクポ。
よろしくたのむクポ！

ショップ商品の材料

Story 11-1
モーグリがなくした材料を
すべて見つけた。
モーグリに届けてあげよう。

Moogle:
ありがとうクポ！
でも、キミがいない間に、
また困ったことになったクポ！

STORY CLEAR

Story 11-2
モーグリはまだ何か困っているようだ。
モーグリに話を聞いてみよう。

Moogle:
お得意様がいない間に、
モーグリのお買い物メモが
盗まれたんだクポ！
飛行機みたいなハートレスが
お買い物メモを引っ掛けたまま
飛んでいってしまったクポ。
ハートレスは倉庫に
入っていったクポ。
お店に必要なお買い物が
書いてある大事なメモだから
取り返してほしいクポ！

Story 11-2
市場にある倉庫にいる
ハートレスを倒して、モーグリの
お買い物メモを取り返してあげよう。

Moogle:
お買い物メモを盗んだ
ハートレスは倉庫にいるクポ。
取り返してほしいクポ！

エアロプレーン

Story 11-2
ハートレスからモーグリの
お買い物メモを取り返した。
モーグリに届けてあげよう。

Moogle:
ありがとうクポ！
これでお店が
つづけられるクポ。
そもそも材料をなくしたのは
灯台からハートレスに
追いかけられたせいクポ。

STORY CLEAR

Story 11-3
モーグリから聞いた話が気になる。
ハートレスの目撃情報があった
街はずれの臨海公園ある
灯台へ行ってみよう。

Moogle:
さっきは助けてくれて、
ありがとうクポ。
モーグリはお店に戻るクポ。

Chirithy:
やぁ、そろそろキミが
来てくれると思っていたよぉ。
この付近に新種のハートレスが
現れたから倒してほしいんだ。
ボクはハートレスが
他のところにも現れていないか
たしかめてくるよ。
この付近の新種のハートレスを
ぜんぶ倒したら教えて。
ボクは市場の方を調べてるね。

Story 11-3
臨海公園付近にいる
新種のハートレスをすべて倒そう！

Chirithy:
この付近の新種のハートレスを
ぜんぶ倒したら教えて。
ボクは市場の方を調べてるね。

ミニッツボム

Moogle:
お得意様のおかげで、
今日もお店が開けるクポ。
さあ、いっぱい買ってくクポ！

Story 11-3
臨海公園付近にいた
新種のハートレスをすべて倒した。
市場にいるチリシィに報告しよう。

Chirithy:
おつかれさま～。
キミのおかげで、
市場も無事だったよぉ。
ずいぶん疲れてるみたいだね。
今日はもう部屋に戻って、
ゆっくり休んでよぉ。

STORY CLEAR

Epilogue Cutscene:

~Player wakes up~

Chirithy:
どうしたんだい？
ずいぶんうなされていたけど
もう一度眠った方がいいよ。

~Player goes to sleep again~

Chirithy:
キミが邪魔をしたのかい？

Bad Chirithy:
キミが夢を見せたのかい？
何がしたいんだいキミは？

Chirithy:
キミと真逆のことさ。

Bad Chirithy:
じゃあ、ボクらは
敵になるんだね。

Chirithy:
ボクは、守れるのかな……

On another side note: The player's room decoration looks so basic I think it will be upgradeable in the future.

 

[Gram]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player's Dream

The problem with Chi is the existence of Chirithy.

Before we learn about 2.5's secret movie, we assumed that Chi is a fairytale rendition of the ancient Keyblade War and the only things canon are the Foretellers, Book of Prophecies, and Chirithy itself (probably).

But the first contradiction occurred in the 1st Anniversary Event, when it is revealed that Chirithy knows who Mickey is. If Chi takes place in the ancient past, how is this possible? Plus there is the scene with Mickey and a black coat figure as well.

Then the secret movie affirmed that the card system Chi used is created from the Book of Prophecies. And also brings about the possibility that Chi itself is a data world. Think of it as a simulation like data Twilight Town. Chi could be a simulation of the Keyblade War instead of a fairytale based on past events.

So here's a problem. If Chi happens in the past, how do you explain Mickey and gang? Treating it as non-canon will void the scene between him and the black coat figure.

If Chi is a data world, maybe Chirithy's role is an administrator or something? Like either Namine & DiZ in KH2 or Data Riku?

I think that knowing solving Chirithy's identity and purpose is the most important thing to learn the truth in Chi. If he is really canon.

What we know so far is that he is created by a master, there is 1 Chirithy per player and is tasked to lead the players in collecting light. Also if the player dies, so does his Chirithy (although we learn this through a death of a NPC who is said to be another player, so it may be a lie).
The latest mission in Chi is about Chirithy discovering a new Heartless (Minute Bomb, emblem) and asked the players to defeat it. After the mission, he told the player to rest for the day and we got the above scene. The dream is incomplete by the way.

This is an extremely and I think probable theory. It'd tie in to Maleficent's dialogue about the book of prophecies and the data worlds as well.
Would definitely be a theory/thread worth exploring or seeing.

 

[Blackdrazon]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

Strange that the other Chirithy is noticable darker.

That may just be their way of showing he's on the other side of the window, unless that was in the case in another scene and I don't remember?

On another side note: The player's room decoration looks so basic I think it will be upgradeable in the future.

I agree! Did you notice something else I noticed: namely that Nicotto Town is an ancestor program of KHX? And what feature does Nicotto Town already have? That's right we're going to open a restaurant.

I bet Success, Square and Disney are all drooling at the chance to sell Disney and Final Fantasy kitch for our walls and shelves without having to animate every part of them like the costumes.

 

[Sign]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

[video=youtube;hlL2VAiYWI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlL2VAiYWI0&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Thanks to Kazr, you can watch the cutscene with subtitles!

 

[digimikej]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

is there a way to tell which one is the players chirithy and which is the other one? because I assumed it would be the one in your room, but based on the dialogue, it seemed more like the one outside the window was the players chirithy.

 

[Solo]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

It's the one inside. Room Chirithy asked the player if he / she was okay, which goes in line with the relationship between Chirithy and the player (if something bad happens to the player, his / her Chirithy will disappear). Similarly, Window Chirithy wouldn't just leave the player like that if he really was the Chirithy attached to the player.

 

[ajmrowland]

Re: Your Opinion: The Player&#039;s Dream

It's got to be the missing Apprentice.