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Look up the meaning of Loophole. The Flashback was before the events of Birth By Sleep, so it in not in the events just a minor flashback.

And also Samhain, he said that BBS was 9 to 10 years before BBS. And are you acquainted with the world of fiction where anything can happen.

It doesn't change the fact that Pure Blood heartless existed, minor flashback or not, loophole has no meaning in this.
 

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Look up the meaning of Loophole. The Flashback was before the events of Birth By Sleep, so it in not in the events just a minor flashback.

And also Samhain, he said that BBS was 9 to 10 years before BBS. And are you acquainted with the world of fiction where anything can happen.


The flashback took place in BBS thus it is apart of the game. BOO YAA!!!!
 

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okay this game is awsome and everything and cant wait to get this game but ...nomura is an idiot.

its regarding the heartless. um, wtf? Nomura said himself that heartless didnt appear in BBS which they CLEARLY did. and since heartless are made when you have darkness in your heart why didnt master xehanort make a heartless?

He unlocked his heart. Just like Sora in KHI. SAME THING. he stabbed himself and his body poofed and made a heartless. But with MX...NOTHING? He made no heartless yet his heart was clearly out of his body. I DONT GET THIS. Nomura needs to stop switching shit up. this sucks. we now cant correct noobs cause other idiots are just going to say

"OOH BUT NOMURA CONFUSES HIMSELF SOMETIMES. ILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. BBS. BLA BLA BLA BLA"
wow....this is confusing. i thought xehanort and the apprentices made the damn purebloods AND emblem. "accidentally" xehanort made 'em but ...wow.

any comments?
singing?
dancing?
etc

have u played the game? if not

kinda funny how u complain even though u haven't..

why would he say there's heartless in this game?? it would just ruin it like he did on kh2.. lol
 

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maybe he find some in the darkrealm? AtW mentioned something like he was there sveral times...

No, with the DtD closed and Ansem not learning how to use the CoD until after his banishment, I highly doubt he'd travel to the RoD.
Look, the Pureblood Heartless we run into during KH1 were the Heartless Xehanort accidentally created. Before his experiments, Heartless did not appear in the RoL, as they were trapped in the RoD.


i believe due xehanorts researchs with the heartless he makes a fatal accident and openend the somewhere a door from the RoD so the Heartless could spread into the worlds of the RoL.

No, the Heartless in the RoL are the ones Xehanort created.

Apperantly not because pure bloods are in BBS.

The Neoshadows were summoned by MX and the Darksides were in the RoD.
As you can plainly see, the worlds aren't infested with them like they are in KH1. Heartless didn't start to appear in the RoL until after Xehanort accidentally creates Purebloods from his experiments.


Wat who said the keyblade graveyard was the dark realm.

Who says it isn't?

Nomura plainly stated the heartless did not exist yet. And yet they DO I call bullshit.

He said the game happened before they appeared, not before they existed.
Besides, how do we know for sure that the beings we are looking at are actually "Heartless", hm? Sure, these creatures come to be known as Heartless after Xehanort names them, but how do we know for sure that the creatures we see in BBS are exactly the same as the Pureblood Heartless Xehanort creates? For all we know, Heartless coming from a heart didn't happen until after Xehanort's experiments and that the "Heartless" that existed during BBS were nothing more than creatures of darkness, which would mean that, even though these creatures existed, they weren't Heartless, thus making Nomura's statement true.


And also Samhain, he said that BBS was 9 to 10 years before BBS. And are you acquainted with the world of fiction where anything can happen.

The KH universe still has rules and restrictions that are followed.
 

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have u played the game? if not

kinda funny how u complain even though u haven't..

why would he say there's heartless in this game?? it would just ruin it like he did on kh2.. lol

he was asked if we were going to fight heartless in this game and he answered no period he didn't say they wouldn't show up
 

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One of them being how can BbS take place 9 to 10 years before BbS...

I don't know. How can BBS take place 9-10 years before BBS? XD
Anyways, that's not exactly what I was talking about. For example: Beings of Light cannot pass through the DtD, as only beings of darkness can pass through it.
 

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He said the game happened before they appeared, not before they existed.
Besides, how do we know for sure that the beings we are looking at are actually "Heartless", hm? Sure, these creatures come to be known as Heartless after Xehanort names them, but how do we know for sure that the creatures we see in BBS are exactly the same as the Pureblood Heartless Xehanort creates? For all we know, Heartless coming from a heart didn't happen until after Xehanort's experiments and that the "Heartless" that existed during BBS were nothing more than creatures of darkness, which would mean that, even though these creatures existed, they weren't Heartless, thus making Nomura's statement true.

But they did appear twice!! They look exactly like heartless without any type of deviation. Heartless are darkness made real. They are born when a persons heart is taken over by darkness.


THOSE CREATURES WERE HEARTLESS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
 

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bbs doesnt take place 9-10 years before bbs. it only takes place 10 years.....
 

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But they did appear twice!! They look exactly like heartless without any type of deviation. Heartless are darkness made real. They are born when a persons heart is taken over by darkness.


THOSE CREATURES WERE HEARTLESS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Before they were named Heartless ;p
 

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But they did appear twice!! They look exactly like heartless without any type of deviation.

Appearance wise, yes. However, we still don't know if they were just like Heartless Xehanort created in every way. We do not know for sure if these Heartless were born from people's hearts or if they were just creatures of darkness. If they were the latter, then they wouldn't technically be Heartless.

They are born when a persons heart is taken over by darkness.

They are now, yes, but we do not know if the Heartless in BBS are exactly the same as our current Heartless.

THOSE CREATURES WERE HEARTLESS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Or so you assume. They very well might be what the Heartless were before they were Heartless.
We do not know what Xehanort's experiments could have resulted in. They could have easily changed things in big way.
 

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Appearance wise, yes. However, we still don't know if they were just like Heartless Xehanort created in every way. We do not know for sure if these Heartless were born from people's hearts or if they were just creatures of darkness. If they were the latter, then they wouldn't technically be Heartless.



They are now, yes, but we do not know if the Heartless in BBS are exactly the same as our current Heartless.



Or so you assume. They very well might be what the Heartless were before they were Heartless.
We do not know what Xehanort's experiments could have resulted in. They could have easily changed things in big way.


Coulda woulda shoulda. Your assuming and going against visual evidence. Thats like me flat out saying MX heart didn't go into Terra even though I saw it happen.
 

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Your assuming and going against visual evidence.

If he's doing something as "stupid" as that, he has a reason to, and its back-up by Nomura saying Heartless didn't exist in BbS, which can be interpretable in three way:

  • Emblem Heartless didn't exist.
  • Pureblood Heartless didn't exist.
  • The dark creatures are a different type of "Heartless", or more to say, they're creatures that have a name but it is unknown to this point.
 

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Your assuming and going against visual evidence.

O rly? You have visual evidence that these Heartless are exactly (not just physically, but the way they act and how they are created) like the Heartless Xehanort created?
Pray tell, what is it? Because all I've seen is that they look exactly alike. What I haven't seen, however, is a BBS Heartless being born from a person's heart. So let's see this "visual evidence" that proves me wrong.
 

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I've gotta agree with OmniChaos. It's not like Nomura is going to lie about what happens just to piss us off. He kinda wants to keep selling games. This is most likely just some big misinterpretation.
 

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kind of like how why the fuck is ienzo that small and grows up to 2ft to zexion's height?
 
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Well when he stabbed himself, his heart was floating up, and probably would have became a heartless, but he is so powerful he made it come back down and put it into Terras body, so no heartless was made?
 

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Well when he stabbed himself, his heart was floating up, and probably would have became a heartless, but he is so powerful he made it come back down and put it into Terras body, so no heartless was made?

I'm certainly hoping that was the case, as it would explain why XH wasn't a Heartless.
 

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kind of like how why the fuck is ienzo that small and grows up to 2ft to zexion's height?

Not trying to discredit, but how do we know that all those guys lost their hearts a year after xehanort becoming an apprentice.
 

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Not trying to discredit, but how do we know that all those guys lost their hearts a year after xehanort becoming an apprentice.

Because, according to Leon, Radiant Garden was taken over nine years before KH1, thus being one year after BBS, and the apprentices had already become Nobodies by then.
 
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