Hikari44 said:
so just because aeris is pretty and cloud was sad when she died that means they LURVE EACH OTHER SOOOOOOOO MUCHERS HUH?!! Pshh posh, if you don't mind me saying so. lol. Also, yes, tifa did raise marlene, which shoots down your "Tifa can't take care of anyone" theory. And marlene's father is barret, not cloud. What does that have to do w/ anything? Saying cloud isn't marlene's father doesn't really do anything to help the clerith case lol. You do know tifa isn't her birth mother, right? (eeeeeeeeeew tifa <3 barret eeeeew!!!!!)
You know, the only legitimate thing you should base theories on is the original game. All the spin-offs and "sequels" were made with the fans in mind, so obviously the plot was influenced by who the ppl at SE thught the audience likes more: tifa or aeris. Sice many of you weirdo Cleriths like aeris more, they chose that route for the later spinoffs and sequels. But if you examine the original game, the first and only REAL base of these characters, it never clearly indicates any Clerith love.
Ahem, let me get this post started shall I ? ;D.
Um, no, no, the fact that Cloud continued to search for a way to be with
Aerith even after she died proves that he loved her. "I think I can meet her... there..." sure as hell wasn't about Tifa that's for sure. Cloud was also shown to be searching for Aerith in FFT and KH if you didn't know that. ^-^
Tifa
helped raise Marlene, but a friend and I thought she was pretty useless in AC. She couldn't protect Marlene from Loz and got her arse completely handed to her, and those of you who saw AC can't deny that fact. So, it is more than a theory, it is fact, yup yup. ^-^
CLERIS/CLORITH/CLERITH proof ;D
1. The Amano artwork. Cloud and Aerith appear together in official artwork by Yoshitaka Amano. Some people try to argue this point by saying that Amano had "nothing to do with FFVII", which is completely untrue. Amano was the character designer for all of the Final Fantasy games until Tetsuya Nomura took over for FFVII. Amano still did much of the visual design for FFVII and much of the artwork, even though Nomura's was also used. So, yes, he was involved in FFVII and his artwork is considered official. This should be obvious when looking at Amano's designs for the characters of FFVII. Many of the FFVII characters resemble the original Amano designs. Amano's artwork is still considered appropriate and significant today, as it is displayed with all of the official FF artwork, right alongside that of Nomura. In fact, the cover of the FFVII Original Soundtrack is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith. The OST was released after FFVII. So, why use this artwork on the OST if it is not appropriate? Simple. Amano's artwork portrays exactly what was intended--
CloudxAerith. ^-^
Over the years, Amano has done art for the other FF games, even when he was not character designer. He has artwork of other official pairings-- Squall and Rinoa, Zidane and Garnet, Tidus and Yuna, and Shuyin and Lenne. And yet he never drew Cloud with Tifa. Gee-- I
wonder why?
Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy
... Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon???
2. Cloud and Aerith have appeared in many more subsequent games together and had meaningful interactions in them. Among those games are: FFT, KH, KH:CoM, ISS, and KH2. If you want examples of ClAeris proof from each game, just ask. Also, Cloud and Aerith have been alluded-to in many other games like for example : FFVIII, FFIX, PE, and PE2. Cloud and Tifa, on the other hand beat the hell out of each other in Ergheiz. Tifa also appeared in ISS, but she and Cloud were never portrayed together in the only cutscene in the game. Cloud was shown with Aerith. =O And, now, Tifa is in KH2, where she runs after Cloud while he, just as quickly, runs away from her. And the CloTi proof is where... 'cause me no see no proof ya' ;D ? Looks to me like all of the spin-offs show ClAeris, because that is what was intended. Since when has Tidus been paired up with Rikku or Lulu in a spin-off? Since when has Squall been paired up with Selphie or Quistis in a spin-off? Parallel worlds show parallel storylines-- it is that simple.
3. Since FFVII was made in Japan, it
DOES contains Japanese symbolism, not to mention Japanese cultural influence. Some CloTis try to refute the obvious, saying that the creators of FFVII would never have allowed so much symbolism into a game which would be released outside of Japan, because others would not "get it". However, what they do not realize is that ALL of the previous Final Fantasy games contained Japanese symbolism, but were "dumbed-down" for American audiences. Want to know more?
Go here and read this paper written by a Stanford student. In this paper, it states:
"In the early days of console-based RPGs, there was a general misconception that American players were not sophisticated enough to play complicated RPGs, preferring instead to play 'simpler' fighting or platform games."
The paper goes on to say that when Nintendo released Final Fantasy IV in America (as Final Fantasy II, because it was only the second FF game to make it to a US release) it was a "dumbed-down" version to make it "easier" for American players. Squaresoft also considered American players to be "simpler" and released Final Fantasy Mystic Quest in 1992. The game was so simplified that it angered US players, and the game flopped. To add insult to injury, FFMQ was later released in Japan as Final Fantasy USA, which made even more US players furious, as it perpetuated the "dumb American" stereotype in Japan. Final Fantasy V never made it to America, and some speculate that this is due to its creators believing it was too complex for American gamers. Final Fantasy VII was, in fact, the very first FF game to be released in the US completely uncut. While the translation of FFVII was utterly butchered, the symbolism remained intact.
Whew! Okay, now that we have established that FFVII does contain elements of Japanese cultural influence and symbolism, let us talk about what the symbolism shows. It is quite simple, when you are referring to the "love triangle". All of the symbolism in the game points toward Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of the game. Want to know more? Go here. This site is very impressive. Everything on it is backed up with loads of research. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII. Go to the link above to read more!
4. Before the release of FFVII, a commercial for it was aired on TV. In this commercial, it showed Cloud laying Aerith into the water, with the word "love" superimposed above it. The narrator then stated, "...a story of a love that could never be..." This statement clearly spoke of a romantic love between two people and the tragedy that would separate them. In fact, this definition of the statement "a love that could never be" is supported by two experts at AllExperts.com. You can see their answers
here and
here. Why would Square portray Cloud and Aerith as the intended couple of the game in this commercial if they were not? Some people, people without a hint of common sense, like to say that this commercial was not made by Square and, therefore, it is not official. How idiotic! Whoever made it was hired by Square, right? And, so they would have been given information regarding FFVII, like who was the hero, who was the villain, and who loved who, right? Do you honestly think Square would have allowed a commercial to be released if it portrayed something false??? That line was even used in the official FFVII tagline, according to IMDb: "The story of a love that can never be, and a hate that always was". Oh, and BTW, Tifa was shown in the commercial, too. She was shown, alone, at the end, with the narrator saying, "...will never come to a theater near you..." So, she was portrayed as she was meant to be-- alone.
-- =D My proof is thanks to my dearest buddie FFG
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Ok, since we CLEARED all that up.Let's just go and say Cloud should move on. He should probably put the painful past behind him, right? Like say ohh... childhood crushes that never loved him, people that lied to him, old friends that he let down when they needed him most, anything tied to his traumatic childhood, unhealthy relationships, ... oh. That would mean Tifa, wouldn't it? =D
Rufus_ShinRa said:
so still cant love when your love is dead...
thats stupid..Love is FOREVER..no matter what..death or life
I stil fail to see, Cloud XTifa, I played DoC beat it..theres nothing that show Tifa XCloud...IF CLOUD LOVED HER that means S-E would've put it in..
before the end of FFVII Tifa told could how she felt..are they together yet..that means Cloud dont feel the same way, or realy love her..
AC may of not beat a love story. but they did hint around...I didnt see Tifa there..after AC in DoC, Cloud and still didnt get together with her..
SPIOLERS
23235434534534534534and CLoud had a big role it<.< even though it was Vincent story43456345634564545so yea if they wanted it to be Tifa and Cloud..and Cloud loved Tifa...it would;ve happened in DoC or in AC, but didnt
Thank you for pointing out the stuff in DoC for me.
Please, if you have any CloTi proof you'd like to throw at me that can back up all your CloTi theories and Anti-Clerith, feel free to post it. I'll be sure to shred them. =D