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But it could not left Riku's body otherwise a Nobody would have been created. So whats up with that?
The State of Sleep: Apprentice Xehanort
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Xehanort was in possession of his body, meaning his body wasnt casted off, and as such, no Nobody. but his heart had indeed left his body.
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eh, a projection of his heart, basically Riku only existed
as the essence of his heart being projected in the dark
realm, that's what basically what I'm suggesting.
as the essence of his heart being projected in the dark
realm, that's what basically what I'm suggesting.
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Eh? It's his heart. It's him with a human form as a heart. Similar to Sora and Xehanort.
Wow,dude. That's a lot of research. looks like you really put a lot of time into this. very deep.
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dumbest Post thread ever!! why dont u fuckin idiots wait for the freakin GAme!
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hey punk! how to get ur rep power up:cursing:
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that just completely ruins why this forum even exists!!!
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Do not say things like this, either contribute something to the conversation or dont post at all.
Dont Double post & Read the FAQ before asking questions that are most likly answered there.
Spam, as I said before, contribute or do nothing.
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To have initially embraced that darkness Terra would have had to turn his back on light. If his heart does become hollow it might explain Terra’s lost of memories seeing how memories primarily lie in one’s heart. Despite having a hollowed heart, like Riku, Terra may have survived. If so he may have ended up in Radiant Garden. However like I stated before, his heart would be weak and hollow and void of memories.
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Maleficent: Who else? Your heart is steeped in darkness. You can only see people who exist in that same darkness – people like me.
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Lingering Sentiment is not ‘canon’ himself but his words do hold meaning. Like with Riku, Terra’s heart only recognized those in his memories who were steeped in darkness. Remnants of Terra’s memory of Master Xehanort were all that was left in his heart, or at least all he could remember being in the hollowed state he was in. His hate for Master Xehanort was engraved in his heart. It was all he had left.
What i have read you are trying to say people whos heart that are hollow lose the memories of all that dont embrace the darkness or they only remember things engraved in the heart. If i am right then rikus heart was not hollow. He could remember everyone but he couldnt remember anything after they closed the corridor of darkness for example he had remembered his friends he cast away and king mickey so his heart couldnt be hollow.Then that means rikus heart is just projecting the memories of the darkness in his heart into the form of the worlds he visited and only can see dark entities because castle obilivion projects the users memories and creates the world on a castle floor. Im saying this because if terra heart was actually hollow he couldnt remember aqua and ven later on as xemnas because his heart was seperated from his body and soul.And since xehornort had no memory how did he regain his memory without a heart as xemnas.
Tell me if i interpret what you said completely wrong if so correct me
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Yeah, you're interpreting the theory correctly, and those are good observations
and questions.
To have a heart hollowed enough to be in this theoretical 'State of Sleep'
I personally believe the heart would be forced from its vessel.
Well about Riku's heart, I believe it was partially hollow. I personally think
his ability to retain his memories of his friends was because of he overcame
a critical moment in the dark realm. There's a scene in KH1:fm where Riku
is in the dark realm and he is struggling to not disappear. Mickey's voice
tells Riku where he is and what has happened to his heart. Riku asks about
his friends and Mickeys gives some comforting advice that helps to ease
his heart. I think by holding on to his friends the way Riku did might have
restored enough light in his heart to just barely retain his memories. A few
individuals in Castle Oblivion though seemed convinced though that Riku
should have had no memories, such individuals include DiZ and Zexion.
Zexion: That's all that's left in your heart: dark memories. Your memories of home are gone - each and every one.
Riku: That's a lie! I remember everyone from the islands! Tidus and Selphie and Wakka... Kairi and Sora, too! They're my...my... They're my friends...
Zexion: And who threw away those friends? Maybe it's your own actions you forgot.
About Xemnas, not much is known about the state of his memories. He is
aware that he was once a companion of the knight who wore the armor in
the Room of Sleep, and he is also aware that there is another companion.
However, Xemnas hasn't given any indication that he recognizes Roxas as
Ven, nor has he really addressed his past directly to any individual, not even
to the few others he should have alse been able to recognize.
That's not so say he doesn't have his memories about his secret past.
I personally think Xemnas may recognize Roxas. The scene between
Xemnas and Roxas on the dark beach occured shortly after Roxas joined
the Organization. To me it appeared Xemnas wanted to speak to Roxas
privately about something important. It was about Roxas' true name.
Xemnas asked Roxas if he remembered his true name. Roxas couldn't
remember his true name, and Xemnas didn't tell him. The rest of that
conversation would probably be real interesting. I expect to see it in KHays.
But yeah, Xemnas may or may not remember too much about his past.
If he only remembers a little, then those few memories might have
been recovered while he still had a heart. If he remembers much about
his past, quite possibly when he did have those memories, they were
imprinted onto his vessel and that imprint remained even after the heart
lost those memories, so when Xehanort lost his heart, Xemnas had
to depend on the memories imprinted on his vessel, these memories
possibly including his distant past. Personally though, I think Xemnas
remembers little about his past.
And about Xemnas' converstation on the dark beach...
Xemnas: I'm all that's left, or maybe I'm all there ever was.
I think this statement helps support my hollowed heart theory because
it might indicate that even when Xemnas had a heart, he still could barely
feel anything in his heart, this perhaps being because his heart was empty.
Sora: Xemnas, there's more to a heart than just anger or hate. It's full of all kinds of feelings. Don't you remember?
Xemnas: Unfortunately... I don't.
I think this also help supports my hollowed heart theory because if dark
memories were all that remained in his heart, then the primary feelings
he would remember would be of anger and hate.
and questions.
To have a heart hollowed enough to be in this theoretical 'State of Sleep'
I personally believe the heart would be forced from its vessel.
Well about Riku's heart, I believe it was partially hollow. I personally think
his ability to retain his memories of his friends was because of he overcame
a critical moment in the dark realm. There's a scene in KH1:fm where Riku
is in the dark realm and he is struggling to not disappear. Mickey's voice
tells Riku where he is and what has happened to his heart. Riku asks about
his friends and Mickeys gives some comforting advice that helps to ease
his heart. I think by holding on to his friends the way Riku did might have
restored enough light in his heart to just barely retain his memories. A few
individuals in Castle Oblivion though seemed convinced though that Riku
should have had no memories, such individuals include DiZ and Zexion.
Zexion: That's all that's left in your heart: dark memories. Your memories of home are gone - each and every one.
Riku: That's a lie! I remember everyone from the islands! Tidus and Selphie and Wakka... Kairi and Sora, too! They're my...my... They're my friends...
Zexion: And who threw away those friends? Maybe it's your own actions you forgot.
About Xemnas, not much is known about the state of his memories. He is
aware that he was once a companion of the knight who wore the armor in
the Room of Sleep, and he is also aware that there is another companion.
However, Xemnas hasn't given any indication that he recognizes Roxas as
Ven, nor has he really addressed his past directly to any individual, not even
to the few others he should have alse been able to recognize.
That's not so say he doesn't have his memories about his secret past.
I personally think Xemnas may recognize Roxas. The scene between
Xemnas and Roxas on the dark beach occured shortly after Roxas joined
the Organization. To me it appeared Xemnas wanted to speak to Roxas
privately about something important. It was about Roxas' true name.
Xemnas asked Roxas if he remembered his true name. Roxas couldn't
remember his true name, and Xemnas didn't tell him. The rest of that
conversation would probably be real interesting. I expect to see it in KH
ays.But yeah, Xemnas may or may not remember too much about his past.
If he only remembers a little, then those few memories might have
been recovered while he still had a heart. If he remembers much about
his past, quite possibly when he did have those memories, they were
imprinted onto his vessel and that imprint remained even after the heart
lost those memories, so when Xehanort lost his heart, Xemnas had
to depend on the memories imprinted on his vessel, these memories
possibly including his distant past. Personally though, I think Xemnas
remembers little about his past.
And about Xemnas' converstation on the dark beach...
Xemnas: I'm all that's left, or maybe I'm all there ever was.
I think this statement helps support my hollowed heart theory because
it might indicate that even when Xemnas had a heart, he still could barely
feel anything in his heart, this perhaps being because his heart was empty.
Sora: Xemnas, there's more to a heart than just anger or hate. It's full of all kinds of feelings. Don't you remember?
Xemnas: Unfortunately... I don't.
I think this also help supports my hollowed heart theory because if dark
memories were all that remained in his heart, then the primary feelings
he would remember would be of anger and hate.
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hmm intresting....
The thing is, we already know what causes a heart to collapse:
When a heart collapses, it isn't released. And if it was released, I have a heart time understanding you're explanation of how it wouldn't be consumed by darkness.
When a heart collapses, it isn't released. And if it was released, I have a heart time understanding you're explanation of how it wouldn't be consumed by darkness.
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Well Marluxia wanted to have Sora's heart 'destroyed'
to the extent where he would be able to rebuild it to
the way he desired, Marluxia wouldn't want to completely
destroy Sora's heart. Not to mention even if Sora's
memories had been unchained, Sora would still retain
the light and darkness in his heart, meaning that though
his memory was hollow, his heart would not be hollow.
(Basically what I'm say is that loss of memory is a result of
hollowing a heart of darkness and light, hollowing a heart
of darkness and light is not the result of loss of memory)
In this State of Sleep, the heart is blanketed by darkness
but the heart itself has so little light and darkness, so the
heart won't become a Heartless because Heartless depend
on the hearts own darkness. The arguement against this
concept is that the heart would still have at least a little
darkness and therefore qualify to become a Heartless but
what I'm suggesting that the trace amount of darkness
still in a hollowed heart would be so small that it's barely
there in the heart and therefore not enough to consume
the heart in darkness.
to the extent where he would be able to rebuild it to
the way he desired, Marluxia wouldn't want to completely
destroy Sora's heart. Not to mention even if Sora's
memories had been unchained, Sora would still retain
the light and darkness in his heart, meaning that though
his memory was hollow, his heart would not be hollow.
(Basically what I'm say is that loss of memory is a result of
hollowing a heart of darkness and light, hollowing a heart
of darkness and light is not the result of loss of memory)
In this State of Sleep, the heart is blanketed by darkness
but the heart itself has so little light and darkness, so the
heart won't become a Heartless because Heartless depend
on the hearts own darkness. The arguement against this
concept is that the heart would still have at least a little
darkness and therefore qualify to become a Heartless but
what I'm suggesting that the trace amount of darkness
still in a hollowed heart would be so small that it's barely
there in the heart and therefore not enough to consume
the heart in darkness.
But even the smallest amount of darkness spreads rapidly...
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Darkness spread rapidly to consume light,
the kind of light that a hollowed heart would
also have very little of. What I'm saying is
that a hollowed would have too little of both
light and dark to exist as anything more than
a heart.
A heart of light sustains active force to the
vessel its attached to. A heart of darkness
departs this vessel and materializes a Heartless
of it's own darkness.
A hollowed heart of little but equal light and darkness
would be caught in the middle, unable to stay
attached to its vessel but unable to materialize
as a Heartless.
It's kind of like an in-between phase of existance,
similar to Nobodies but with hearts instead of vessels.
the kind of light that a hollowed heart would
also have very little of. What I'm saying is
that a hollowed would have too little of both
light and dark to exist as anything more than
a heart.
A heart of light sustains active force to the
vessel its attached to. A heart of darkness
departs this vessel and materializes a Heartless
of it's own darkness.
A hollowed heart of little but equal light and darkness
would be caught in the middle, unable to stay
attached to its vessel but unable to materialize
as a Heartless.
It's kind of like an in-between phase of existance,
similar to Nobodies but with hearts instead of vessels.
No, Darkness just spreads to consume EVERYTHING- maybe even empty space...
But Marluxia says that "even a riven heart can be rebuilt with time." "Riven" meaning "collapsed." Marluxia didn't want to destroy Sora's heart to any extent- he just wanted to destroy the memories, which, as we see, is the definition of a collapsed heart. And a collapsed heart does not leave the owner.
I think the problem is that you're trying to introduce a concept that is entirely different than a "collapsed heart."
Darkness consumes everything though. It has consumed Disney villains, for instance, who lack the light you say would be the one thing to attract the darkness.
Even if a "hollow" heart could exist for one instance, I can't see how anything would stop darkness from invading it. The heart is right there for it to engulf.
thank you!
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