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People just need to get the feck over it. So what if their interracial? That shouldn't matter at all.
I like the music in the trailer.

Home on the Range was horrid, IMO. And I agree, Rapunzel should be 2D, too.
 

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People just need to get the feck over it. So what if their interracial? That shouldn't matter at all.
I like the music in the trailer.

Home on the Range was horrid, IMO. And I agree, Rapunzel should be 2D, too.

I can't believe why people should react over something like that. Just proves that racism is still around everywhere.. People are just denying it.
 

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really? The way i keep hearing things i thought it sounded like a 2D film with a 3D touch, lol

but i've seen nothing and heard little about it, I just know from interviews that Lasseter and other head guys want to keep 2D alive at the studio, which i think is great.

This movie is already great in that Home On The Range was supposed to be disney's last traditionally animated movie, and it's already recanted that decision. I hope for good things to come of this, so i pray it'll be successful

Nope you got it backwards. It's 3D, with a water color like touch to it (which will give a 2D touch. I saw concept art, and portrait picture of Rapunzel, and she looks like a blonde Ariel. She has the same body language, facial expressions and etc. Maybe i will just make a thread of Rapunzel, jsut to show what she looks like.

I hope Disney learns that with them 3D isn't always better. they should know that classic 2D movies is where the money is. After all, all their best movies are in 2D. And Disney does the best 2D animation as well.

People just need to get the feck over it. So what if their interracial? That shouldn't matter at all.
I like the music in the trailer.

Home on the Range was horrid, IMO. And I agree, Rapunzel should be 2D, too.

Exactly, people say that they're not racist, but if you make a big deal about this, I see you as a racist.
 

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Nope you got it backwards. It's 3D, with a water color like touch to it (which will give a 2D touch. I saw concept art, and portrait picture of Rapunzel, and she looks like a blonde Ariel. She has the same body language, facial expressions and etc. Maybe i will just make a thread of Rapunzel, jsut to show what she looks like.
Damn, really? Should've been 2D. All Disney Princess movies should be like that.
 

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Naveen doesn't look so much 'white' as 'Cajun'
Besides, WTF does race matter? I don't care what color you are-red,yellow,black,white-if you get hung up on something over race, you are probably racist. And when we have to get down to this over a cartoon Disney film, you know people just want to find something to complain about.

I can't wait for this movie..
 

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I hope Disney learns that with them 3D isn't always better. they should know that classic 2D movies is where the money is. After all, all their best movies are in 2D. And Disney does the best 2D animation as well.

With the exception of Meet The Robinsons, which i thought was pretty good for a Disney 3D attempt, yes they should definitely stick to traditional animation. Its what they're great at, and what they basicly defined as a medium
 

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With the exception of Meet The Robinsons, which i thought was pretty good for a Disney 3D attempt, yes they should definitely stick to traditional animation. Its what they're great at, and what they basicly defined as a medium

I'm not saying that they should stop doing 3D, but they should focus more on 2D animation. And i was mistaken, it oil paintings, not that it's much of a difference.
 

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I liked Meet the Robinsons.

I like how it's in New Orleans and how the villain is a voo-doo witch doctor. I'm really excited to here the music. Jazz is the best.
 

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I liked Meet the Robinsons.

I like how it's in New Orleans and how the villain is a voo-doo witch doctor. I'm really excited to here the music. Jazz is the best.

I like Jazz, i just don't think it's the best. But i have a feeling the jazz will make the muscial numbers a great addition to the movie.
 

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I heard about this movie but never got to see the characters in it, thanks Kago.

I haven't been in full support of a Disney movie in a real long time and I really happy to see a 2D movie and a black princess. I'm still scared that I might not like it but I'm will check it out, like I'll actually go to movies to see it.
 

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I heard about this movie but never got to see the characters in it, thanks Kago.

I haven't been in full support of a Disney movie in a real long time and I really happy to see a 2D movie and a black princess. I'm still scared that I might not like it but I'm will check it out, like I'll actually go to movies to see it.


You're welcome, i'll keep an eye out for new information and post it up in the thread.
I'm happy to see a black princes as well. I would like to see a Spanish one next.
 

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With the exception of Meet The Robinsons, which i thought was pretty good for a Disney 3D attempt, yes they should definitely stick to traditional animation. Its what they're great at, and what they basicly defined as a medium

I heard Bolt was great too... Really need to see it.

Disney's plan is to make a new 2d animated film every 2 years, and a 3d animated film every 18 months.

This will give Disney Animated Studios a new film every year.
 

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I think the 2D movies were the best Disney movies of all :[

I heard about this and can't wait to see it--it's Disney's attempt to unite all the races everywhere (in other words, show everyone that they aren't a bunch of rasicts)

Go Disney
 

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The first time I heard about this film was like on the news or something, and talking about the controversy of the black disney princess and stuff. I got interested in the movie though, but not because of the black princess but because there will finally be a full 2d movie again in theatres...wasn't the last one like Lilo and Stitch or something?
 

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Home on the Range was the last 2D animated film.
 

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MeadWestvaco is releasing in a couple of months the brand new The Princess and the Frog 2010 Wall Calendar . This 16 month calendar featuring stunning images from the upcoming new Disney animated film will be available in the US and to buy online at the suggested prince of $14.99. The perfect way to get acquainted to Tiana, the new Disney princess, and all her friends before the film hits US theatres on December 11 2009

Since this calender will have scenes from the movie, i thought it was a good idea to let you all know it.

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Ok, so here's an update on who did what, what to expect, and a little behind the scenes of the movie.
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Walt Disney Animation Studio’s senior manager of creative marketing Emily Hoppe outlined the role Disney and The Princess and the Frog, the studio’s first 2D animated film in five years, will play at Red Stick International Animation Festival this month.
The Princess and the Frog “celebrates the legacy of classic Disney animation, it’s a return to the 2D fairy tale,” she added, “back to our roots.” Hoppe ran down the film’s “iconic” elements, including a prince, a princess, a wicked witch and a fairy godmother, all transposed to early 20th century N’awlins and set to a Randy Newman score. (The film is also Disney’s first since Mulan where the characters perform the film’s songs on camera.) The studio’s return to 2D is courtesy of directors John Musker and Ron Clements, the team responsible for mega-hits The Little Mermaid and Aladdin, the successful Hercules and the commercially disappointing Treasure Planet.

Hoppe screened several in-progress scenes from The Princess and the Frog to the audience. “This is the first time this level has been shown outside the Disney premises,” Hoppe told the audience, warning them the preliminary footage was “really rough,” switching between pencil test and finished animation or storyboard frames from shot to shot. The animators’ relish at bringing 2D back to the studio was clearly evident, their work evoking moments from the Disney classics including Peter Pan’s on-the-loose shadow and Baloo’s “Bare Necessities” Jungle Book strut. The clips also featured a pair of sly nods to the 2D process itself, with the pictures on a shuffling tarot deck turning into a flip book and later, a pair of illustrations on succeeding pages of a fairy tale book compared like animation extremes. The film’s Louisiana setting drew an appreciative laugh from the local audience when one character explains he’s “from far away,” which prompted a second one to ask “Shreveport?” (the state’s northernmost big city, some 340 miles north of New Orleans.)

Directors Clement and Musker have put Disney’s best 2D animators to work on the film. Bad guy Dr. Facilier, animated by Bruce W. Smith easily holds his own against the Jafars and Captain Hooks of Disney past; Eric Goldberg (Aladdin’s Genie) is responsible for the trumpet-playing alligator Louis, and superstar animator Andreas Deja (recipient of Red Stick’s first Lifetime Career Achievement Award at last year’s festival) animated Mama Odie, the film’s swamp-dwelling ‘fairy godmother’ stand-in and her pet snake Juju.

Even with all this talent working at full tilt, one wonders if The Princess and the Frog is the rebirth or the last gasp of Disney 2D animation. “It’s definitely the rebirth,” Hoppe says without a moment’s hesitation. “The studio has two separate pipelines in place, one for 2D and one for 3D. There’s a warmth in 2D you won’t see in CGI.” She credits Pixar’s maven and Disney animation head John Lasseter – the man whose CGI talent helped put 2D on the skids – for the studio’s return to hand-drawn animation. “John said 2D became the scapegoat for bad scripting.”

Hoppe described Red Stick as “our number-one priority” because of the festival’s artistic rather than competitive focus. “We’ve been keeping an eye on Red Stick,” she noted, adding that some of Disney’s “foremost animators” as well as several of the studio’s top technical people will be attending the festival in April; “it’s a battle to the death to see who gets to go.”
 

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Here's an article on what some scholars and other people had to say about the upcoming princess; as well as comparing it to Disney's past princesses.
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Long ago and far away, she was an unnamed little princess in a little story called the "The Frog Prince." She and her amphibious friend lived in a very small, mostly forgotten corner of the fairy tale universe.

Many years passed.

And then one day, through the magical powers of Disney animation and commercial marketing, the forgotten little princess was transformed into Tiana, a beautiful black princess from New Orleans. She became the star of "The Princess and the Frog," a movie set to premiere in November. Her doll and toy set were unveiled last month, and the Disney promotional machine is already humming, for Tiana is the first Disney princess in more than a decade, and the first ever to be black.

In the 72 years since Walt Disney's animated version of Snow White captivated audiences as "the fairest of them all," there have only been eight such Disney princesses. Through these movies and a line of toys, dresses and figurines, the Disney princesses have become global, doe-eyed icons of childhood. Sleeping Beauty awakened by a kiss, Cinderella's clock striking midnight, Belle waltzing in the Beast's castle, Ariel with Prince Eric in the moonlit lagoon -- these have become heroines whom parents the world over feel safe to let their young girls idolize and mimic. And while Disney has brought us nonwhite princesses before (see "Mulan," "Pocahontas"), Tiana is a first.

The implied message of Tiana, that black American girls can be as elegant as Snow White herself, is a milestone in the national imagery, according to a range of scholars and cultural historians.

Her appearance this holiday season, coming on the heels of Michelle Obama's emergence as the nation's first lady, the Obama girls in the White House and the first line of Barbie dolls modeled on black women ("So in Style" debuts this summer), will crown an extraordinary year of visibility for African American women.

But fairy tales and folklore are the stories that cultures tell their children about the world around them, and considering Disney's pervasive influence with (and marketing to) young girls, Princess Tiana might well become the symbol of a culture-changing standard of feminine beauty.

"If this figure takes off, you're looking at 30 or 40 years of repetition and resonance," says Tricia Rose, a Brown University professor who teaches both popular culture and African American studies, citing the enduring popularity of Disney princesses at the company's theme parks, on Web sites and in videos.

"It's a very big deal," says Leonard Maltin, the film historian, critic and author of "Of Mice and Magic: A History of American Animated Cartoons."

"She's the first modern American [Disney] princess, and that she's black sends a huge message," says Cori Murray, entertainment director for Essence magazine.

On its most basic level, "The Princess and the Frog" is a vintage Disney princess fairy tale, in hand-drawn (2-D) animation, a Broadway-style musical. It draws inspiration from an 18th-century fairy tale from the British Isles, and "The Frog Princess," a 2002 teen novel from Maryland writer E.D. Baker. Disney transferred the story to 1920s New Orleans and changed her name, race and almost everything else.

In the Disney version, Tiana is a young waitress and talented chef who dreams, like her father, of owning her own restaurant. She eventually kisses a frog and is transformed into one. She must journey into the dark bayou to get a magical cure from a good voodoo queen. She is aided by a goofy firefly and a trumpet-playing alligator. The frog turns out to be handsome Prince Naveen, from the far-off and fictional land of Maldonia.

The stills released by the studio show Tiana in full princess regalia: a powder-blue gown, tiara and hair in an elegant upsweep.

Tony Award winner Anika Noni Rose voices Tiana. Other parts are played by Oprah Winfrey, John Goodman, Terrence Howard and Keith David. The music is by Oscar winner (and New Orleans veteran) Randy Newman. It is directed by Ron Clements and John Musker, the same team behind "Aladdin" and "The Little Mermaid."

"Our first goal is to make a great motion picture," says John Lasseter, chief creative officer at Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios, who is overseeing the project. "But we have also worked very closely with a lot of leaders in the African American community, all across the nation, to make sure we're doing something African American families will be proud of. It's very important for us to do it right. We've been very careful and cognizant about what we're doing."

He says it was Clements and Musker's idea to make Tiana black, and he stresses that Tiana will be one of the "strongest" Disney heroines yet. The criticisms the film got over the character's name in early drafts ("Maddy," short for Madeline, was perceived by some to sound like a "slave name") were only hiccups on the way to a finished product, he says, noting that one of his most popular creations, Buzz Lightyear in "Toy Story," was named "Tempest" at one point.

The message that Tiana learns in the film -- Disney characters always learn something by movie's end -- is that balance is important in life. Jazz Age woman that she is, Tiana needs both love and a career to find happiness.

"Her dream is not just to marry a prince," he says.

It will be a closely watched debut, with almost every aspect of her character subject to interpretation.

Murray says she was pleased the studio is portraying Tiana with skin of a "darker hue" and slightly full lips. Tarshia Stanley, a professor of English at Spelman College in Atlanta who often writes and teaches about portrayals of black women in film, says that the character's hair -- straight and pulled back in early images released by the studio -- seems to be the appropriate, middle-of-the-road bet, too.

"They might as well make it straight so little girls can comb it when the doll comes out," she notes, wryly. "We as African American women haven't fully dealt with how sensitive the subject of our hair can be, so I certainly wouldn't expect Disney to know what to do with [that issue]."

(Prince Naveen, for the record, is neither white nor black, but portrayed with olive skin, dark hair and, need we state the obvious, a strong chin. The actor who plays him, Bruno Campos, hails from Brazil.)

Big box-office numbers will be expected for Tiana. The eight Disney princess films, as defined by the company -- "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," "Cinderella," "Sleeping Beauty," "The Little Mermaid," "Aladdin," "Beauty and the Beast," "Pocahontas" and "Mulan" -- have all been smashes. When adjusted for inflation, three of them -- "Snow White," "Sleeping Beauty" and "Aladdin" -- rank among the top 100 domestic moneymakers of all time, according to the Box Office Mojo Web site.

The last two princess movies, "Mulan" (1998) and "Pocahontas" (1995), each have a worldwide gross of more than $300 million, according to the Web site, in numbers that are not adjusted for inflation. Disney has also reprised the princesses' roles into more than 50 sequels, specials, spinoffs or appearances by the characters on Disney television shows.

Further, Disney began grouping all eight princesses into a single line of toys, games and costumes in 2000. Sales were more than $4 billion last year, according to the company.

"It's hard to sort out which princess is the most or least popular because they're all included in so many sets of toys," says Jim Silver, a toy industry analyst and editor in chief of the Time to Play magazine Web site. "It's all about fashion for little girls, and they may love Belle the best, but most like Jasmine's [from "Aladdin"] costume."

The films featuring the darker-hued heroines -- "Pocahontas," "Aladdin" and "Mulan" -- were much different from the Cinderella-at-the-ball idea of a princess. Pocahontas drew on the real-life travails of her Native American namesake, and Mulan was a warrior who spent most of the film disguised as a man. The two films have had mixed receptions among their real-life ethnic groups.

Gabrielle Tayac, a Piscataway Indian and historian at the National Museum of the American Indian, has taken her daughter to Disney World and says the "princess breakfast" the resort offers children (with real-life actresses portraying the fictional characters) was "heaven" to her child. She doesn't want to come across as a scold. But, as an adult, she says, "Pocahontas" often makes her wince.

"Pocahontas was presented in an almost Frederick's of Hollywood costume," she says. "The movie turned out to be more damage control for Native American parents than a moment of pride. It was nothing you wanted your daughter to grow up to be. . . . I have never seen little Native American girls try to dress up as Pocahontas."

Jeff Yang, editor in chief of "Secret Identities: The Asian American Superhero Anthology," also writes about Asian pop culture for the San Francisco Chronicle. He says that the Disney adaptation of the Chinese story of the warrior Mulan brought a "sigh of relief" from Asian American parents.

"It was a real cultural opening; Disney's characters had been lily-white for so long," he said. "Asian American parents were much more open to the princess brand for their daughters once there was Asian representation."

Disney's Lasseter thinks all the films work well, but acknowledges some differences.

" 'The Little Mermaid,' 'Aladdin,' 'Beauty' -- they kind of have more staying power, generation to generation," he says. "Maybe the quality of filmmaking is stronger. Maybe those are considered a little bit more of a fairy tale than the others."

The story line of "The Princess and the Frog," he says, lends itself more to the traditional, romantic fairy tale.

Scholars say the fairy tales that last are the ones that continue to enchant, entertain and touch children over the ages -- but, most of all, the stories continue to live by finding ways to transform themselves into new worlds.

"Fairy tales absolutely should be brought up to date, to be more user-friendly for the children in our culture," says Maria Tatar, the editor of "The Classic Fairy Tales" who chairs the program in folklore and mythology at Harvard University. "You don't want to tell a story that was just right for German children in the early 19th century."
 

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I think the concept/controversy is great. I think the animation/appearances of the characters are disappointing. Why is Disney still using shitty artists?
 
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