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[AegisXIII]

The ending story cutscenes are on youtube now. Type Melody of Memory and look for latest videos in the search options. I won't watch it. But it's haaaaaaaard! The kairi portion last approximately:

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25 minutes apparently

 

[Katsagu]

Like... were people that are saying "I'm glad I didn't buy the game" really going to pay 60 bucks for, at best, a couple cutscenes and a kairi special stage?

Like this was not a good turn of events, but I'm still pretty much excited for the game itself lol

 

[the red monster]

The ending story cutscenes are on youtube now. Type Melody of Memory and look for latest videos in the search options. I won't watch it. But it's haaaaaaaard! The kairi portion last approximately:

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25 minutes apparently

So the BBS guess was kinda on point lol.

and yep, the gameplay is still fun so i will enjoy my time with it. just sad nomura is being so stubborn and close-minded.

 

[Cumguardian69]

Guys. Guys HOLY SHIT it is as bad as the leaks made them out to be. Do NOT watch unless you want the ending spoiled:

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OH NO NO NO PFFFF AHAHAHAHAHHA

 

[Zettaflare]

Well on the bright side

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We get to here more of Christopher Lloyd's phenomenal performance as Xehanort. Never thought I'd here that again. And hey, he mentioned Yen Sid

 

[palizinhas]

In which Fairy Godmother is unexplicably omniscient

 

[Zettaflare]

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The Verum Rex world has a name. Quadratum

interesting

 

[SweetYetSalty]

I'm legit crying tears right now.

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But not because of the Kairi stuff, that I didn't watch. But because it sounds like there is no OBM. They took my source of power!! You lied to me MoM demo! You lied! As I type this with tears coming down my face, my sorrow has turned me into a Heartless. A Heartless of sadness!

 

[Katsagu]

I'm legit crying tears right now.

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But not because of the Kairi stuff, that I didn't watch. But because it sounds like there is no OBM. They took my source of power!! You lied to me MoM demo! You lied! As I type this with tears coming down my face, my sorrow has turned me into a Heartless. A Heartless of sadness!

@SweetYetSalty I've been following your journey from not being able to finish a stage to being able to ace a track! And I am here to give you strenght. To help you believe you CAN! DO! THIS!

Never forget, I believe in you.

 

[palizinhas]

Riku really out there talking about his missing best friend he's desperate to find like he's talking about the wheather. *robotic voice* sora is a very good friend of ours.

Kairi has more emotion about Xehanort than she does about Sora.

 

[Muke]

I watched all the cutscenes. I do not like where the story is going at all. The only thing I enjoyed was the battle cutscene because I thought it lolked great and the fact that Kairi is going to train with Aqua.

I was never going to buy MoM anyway because while the demo was enjoyable, it‘s just not my cup of tea. But I expected nothing and I‘m legit still upset. This series is getting too confusing for its own good. (an unreal world, a fictional world.. come on, that sounds ridiculous as heck)

all in all... they really said „you can‘t have your cake and eat it too“ with this one.

 

[Zettaflare]

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Since Donald and Goofy are going to contact TAV in Dark World bit of a missed opportunity for Yen Sid not to have given them clothes to protect them from the darkness. Those could have been their KH4 outfits. Oh well

 

[SweetYetSalty]

@SweetYetSalty I've been following your journey from not being able to finish a stage to being able to ace a track! And I am here to give you strenght. To help you believe you CAN! DO! THIS!

Never forget, I believe in you.

Thanks for the confidence boost. I just wish I had practiced more on standard style setting, had I known the styles are apparently unchangeable for story mode. I'll have to do the entire game on beginner to stand a chance. If it's true I wish the different styles weren't on the demo at all, and force you to play the way they clearly want you to

 

[Cumguardian69]

Bro they honestly never should have made this game. Immediately:

•They modeled Kairi only to use her in Memory Dives
•The story content is the CUT CONTENT of the ReMIND scenario, and it should have been playable in the KH3 engine using Kairi as the playable character.
•We still don't have a name for Nameless Star
•We learned that the CITY that Sora and Riku appeared in is called Quadratum
•The year that TAV and RAX spent doing whatever was wasted for no reason.
•Kairi's show of character (her DESIRE to go with Riku but her UNDERSTANDING that she's too weak) is nice but should have gone to Sora in KH3 because we know Sora will be okay
•Something occurs in VR realm that causes characters to get body-hopped and that phenomenon may occur to Sora

Riku really out there talking about his missing best friend he's desperate to find like he's talking about the wheather. *robotic voice* sora is a very good friend of ours.

Kairi has more emotion about Xehanort than she does about Sora.

He's stoic, leave him alone. Give him Lightning or Cloud's face instead of the pseudo-Sora smiling and emotive face and you wouldn't have a problem.

 

[Hirokey123]

Long Plot Thoughts

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I was trying to think of what a fictional world is, how that differs from say Pooh or Coded or the dream worlds. My thought is thus, maybe a fictional world is world that could have existed but doesn’t. To put another way it be a “what-if” like “what if Sora never got the keyblade” or “what if they keyblade war never happened”.

From the perspective of the people world these are theoretical imaginations, they aren’t what happened, and thus would amount to little more than fan fiction if they were written down. BUT what if KH universe runs on the idea that every theoretical DID happen and there is a reality fit each. Alternate timelines and histories, from the perspective of the inhabitants these worlds are fictional and only exist in our heads. But from the perspective of someone standing outside they can see all the world, all the ways reality can twist and turn, everything exists together simultaneously leaving no separation between actual and theoretical. They are both in states of being fictional and non-fictional depending on what world you are in. So in our KH universe Verum Rex is just a video game nothing more but in alternate reality it’s a real place and real world and it’s events really happened. Likewise maybe the reverse is true, maybe in Verum Rex Kingdom Hearts is just a fictional video game series.

So what does this mean for Sora? I am going to propose that when Sora was erased by the universe he was literally turned into a theoretical/fictional idea that only exists in the minds of his friends. As such Sora appeared in a world that was also theoretical/fictional, the world of Verum Rex.

Why did this happen? I believe it’s working off the idea that when Sora changed time he literally turned his reality into fiction to make theoretical reality of his friends living true. Essentially the world ended just as it was foretold but Sora using the power waking rewrote reality, he took the theory that they could win and made it real. Which means Sora who is only one who existed outside of this reality and essentially jumped ships to the new reality he made, is also now theoretical.

That's why YX said Sora was already doomed. Because in the reality they standing in the heroes never died, but Sora comes from a reality in which they did. He comes from a what-if that doesn’t progress past the point we saw. So from the perspective of the people in this world Sora comes from a what-if, and thus as I said is now an existing theoretical concept made flesh. When Sora saved Kairi he rewrote reality again now he was doubly theoretical/fictional so his time of existence in this world was drastically shortened.

In other words I propose that that KH uses the time travel concept that you CAN change time, it’s difficult to do so but it can be done. Doing so creates a paradox like if you go back to prevent something then the thing you did never happens so you wouldn’t have a reason to go back and stop it... This works off the idea that time will adjust and maintain this reality even though it is an unstable loop. So the change sticks but YOU who come from the reality in which the thing you wanted to prevent did happen are erased because the reality you came from doesn’t exist in the perspective of the current reality you are now standing in.

So Darkness prevails and light expires does happen in reality A. But in reality B light prevails and in this reality the idea that darkness wins is just theoretical/fictional concept written in the book of prophecies that never came to pass. In reality B the book of prophecies is just fiction, what-if story where Xehanort won. HOWEVER if you step outside this reality you will be able to see both exist together, and likely many other alternative outcomes do to.

So this leads me to the MoM. Assuming I am on the correct path I believe this is why the MoM doesn’t care about this world or any world for that matter. Because he secretly a person who can see that every world is just a theoretical to another world, everything is in a state of non-existence and existence. The entire cosmos is one big Schroeder’s Cat!

What the MoM cares about is the longer game, not all these theoretical worlds existing together, but what the end result will be, the one true world and ending. Something that will never come as long as everything exists in a state of being and non-being. He has to destroy everything, time and space itself, to create a true world...one that reflects his desired outcome. Because it doesn’t matter if darkness exists in this world or defeated in this world. It will still continue to exist in other worlds, other theoretical worlds where darkness prevailed or maybe light never even existed to begin with. The only way to truly wipe out darkness would be connect every world in one singular future in which darkness doesn’t exist.

This ties to that damn black box, it’s a literal Schroeder’s Cat. The contents of the box changes based on when it’s opened, as long as it’s shut its contents stay in constant flux, the reality the box is in will never be finalized until the box is opened. Until then the box keeps the worlds in shards of theoretical existence. Many things could achieve this but this box is something the MoM can control. He can decide when he wants to finalize this reality at least somewhat by when chooses to open the box. That’s why Xigbar talks and questions the idea that the box is actually black or what the world actually is. In this theoretical reality they stand in the box is black but if you looked from the outside maybe you see a reality where the box is blue or yellow or purple. From an outsider the box in only ever theoretically something, it’s all kinds of colors, but inside this theoretical reality it’s black.

“I’ve been having these strange thoughts lately....is any of this for real or not?”

That’s the key, none of this real and yet at the same time it IS real. It’s just perspective, to people of this world, this reality, it’s real. But in another reality like ours for example it’s fiction, just code and writing imagined from the head of a Japanese dude. Sora is real to himself but fake to us and perhaps if we could get an outside perspective we would see a world in which Sora IS real.

Maybe this is what Xehanort was after. The ancient keybladers made it to a fictional world and that is what Mickey is looking into? Perhaps that’s what happened with the Dandelions. The MoM sent them to another world/reality where the keyblade war never happened. Then they managed to return to this world where it did happen or at least some did. What Xehanort may have wanted was the secret to that, the secret to jumping to a fictional world, to escape these theoretical realities he exists in, maybe he never stopped being the kid who felt trapped it’s just his prisons got larger and larger. At the same time he probably knew he couldn’t truly escape this world so if he was stuck here the least could do is shape this world to his views and liking. If you’re going to be trapped in a prison you can at least make it a prison you want to live in.

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I theorize based on the concept of a "fictional world" the world exists as a state of theoretical worlds co-existing together. A world, in sense of all of a reality, is real when inside it and all other theoretical possibilities are just theory/fiction. However when you step outside and see the greater world for what it is you see all possibilities are real/did happen and co-exist with all other possibilities. So in example...

Sora lives in a reality in which darkness prevailed and light expired. Then he rewrote reality to make a new one in which light prevails and Xehanort's win is just a fictional what-if. In the first reality the BoP tells the truth with absolute accuracy but in the second reality the BoP is just fiction based on what could happen but didn't. This means in the second reality Sora himself was a fictional concept, a version of him that didn't come to be, and so he couldn't exist in this world very long. When he made a third reality in which he saves Kairi drastically cut down the time he had remaining in this world because now he was like a double fictional Sora. Where Sora ended up being sent was to another fictional world, a place that wasn't real in Sora's worlds but in another reality is real, the world of Yozora and Verum Rex.

So to answer the question on if "any of this is for real or not" the answer is yes, no, and both. The world you are in is real to you but to another in a different world it's fake, and to the person standing outside both they are both very real or total fictional.

That's why the MoM is so cold. He knows the world is just a bunch of shards of theoretical existences and so it doesn't matter what happens in one because the alternate happens in another. It doesn't matter if they destroy or are destroyed by darkness in this world because there will be other worlds with other outcomes. If you want to truly get rid of darkness there is only one way to do so. Go beyond time and space, destroy all the theoretical shards or connect them all into a singular world with one reality, one sky, one destiny, one heart where darkness doesn't exist.

Xehanort may have realized this to, that they exist inside only a shard of theoretical existence and he sought to escape this theoretical world to reach the one true end, but also being Xehanort knew he may never actually manage that and made a back-up plan of making this world he was stuck in to be the kind of world he wants to live in. In other words Xehanort never stopped being the boy that felt imprisoned, his prisons just grew in size, and he was always seeking a way out while making his prisons nice for him incase he doesn't escape.

 

[Henryp]

Always remember. Leave space for the Fairy Godmother.

I dont hate the story content. Dumb and horrible desicion the last boss things. However, I dont mind/like everything else?

 

[*TwilightNight*]

Just watched Cyberman stream the world tour and some ITA leaks on youtube. Looks like you literally cannot change style in WT, and the Kairi narrations are given almost enntirely without context. Oh no no no pffff AHAHAHA

I thought it was pretty clear the Kairi narrating is just an omniscient spectator to summarize some of the series' story beats. It's not the actual Kairi watching these memories (and it doesn't make sense for her to). Remember, they were going to use Chirithy for it and I doubt there's an in-universe plot explanation for that as well.

 

[Katsagu]

Long Plot Thoughts

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I was trying to think of what a fictional world is, how that differs from say Pooh or Coded or the dream worlds. My thought is thus, maybe a fictional world is world that could have existed but doesn’t. To put another way it be a “what-if” like “what if Sora never got the keyblade” or “what if they keyblade war never happened”.

From the perspective of the people world these are theoretical imaginations, they aren’t what happened, and thus would amount to little more than fan fiction if they were written down. BUT what if KH universe runs on the idea that every theoretical DID happen and there is a reality fit each. Alternate timelines and histories, from the perspective of the inhabitants these worlds are fictional and only exist in our heads. But from the perspective of someone standing outside they can see all the world, all the ways reality can twist and turn, everything exists together simultaneously leaving no separation between actual and theoretical. They are both in states of being fictional and non-fictional depending on what world you are in. So in our KH universe Verum Rex is just a video game nothing more but in alternate reality it’s a real place and real world and it’s events really happened. Likewise maybe the reverse is true, maybe in Verum Rex Kingdom Hearts is just a fictional video game series.

So what does this mean for Sora? I am going to propose that when Sora was erased by the universe he was literally turned into a theoretical/fictional idea that only exists in the minds of his friends. As such Sora appeared in a world that was also theoretical/fictional, the world of Verum Rex.

Why did this happen? I believe it’s working off the idea that when Sora changed time he literally turned his reality into fiction to make theoretical reality of his friends living true. Essentially the world ended just as it was foretold but Sora using the power waking rewrote reality, he took the theory that they could win and made it real. Which means Sora who is only one who existed outside of this reality and essentially jumped ships to the new reality he made, is also now theoretical.

That's why YX said Sora was already doomed. Because in the reality they standing in the heroes never died, but Sora comes from a reality in which they did. He comes from a what-if that doesn’t progress past the point we saw. So from the perspective of the people in this world Sora comes from a what-if, and thus as I said is now an existing theoretical concept made flesh. When Sora saved Kairi he rewrote reality again now he was doubly theoretical/fictional so his time of existence in this world was drastically shortened.

In other words I propose that that KH uses the time travel concept that you CAN change time, it’s difficult to do so but it can be done. Doing so creates a paradox like if you go back to prevent something then the thing you did never happens so you wouldn’t have a reason to go back and stop it... This works off the idea that time will adjust and maintain this reality even though it is an unstable loop. So the change sticks but YOU who come from the reality in which the thing you wanted to prevent did happen are erased because the reality you came from doesn’t exist in the perspective of the current reality you are now standing in.

So Darkness prevails and light expires does happen in reality A. But in reality B light prevails and in this reality the idea that darkness wins is just theoretical/fictional concept written in the book of prophecies that never came to pass. In reality B the book of prophecies is just fiction, what-if story where Xehanort won. HOWEVER if you step outside this reality you will be able to see both exist together, and likely many other alternative outcomes do to.

So this leads me to the MoM. Assuming I am on the correct path I believe this is why the MoM doesn’t care about this world or any world for that matter. Because he secretly a person who can see that every world is just a theoretical to another world, everything is in a state of non-existence and existence. The entire cosmos is one big Schroeder’s Cat!

What the MoM cares about is the longer game, not all these theoretical worlds existing together, but what the end result will be, the one true world and ending. Something that will never come as long as everything exists in a state of being and non-being. He has to destroy everything, time and space itself, to create a true world...one that reflects his desired outcome. Because it doesn’t matter if darkness exists in this world or defeated in this world. It will still continue to exist in other worlds, other theoretical worlds where darkness prevailed or maybe light never even existed to begin with. The only way to truly wipe out darkness would be connect every world in one singular future in which darkness doesn’t exist.

This ties to that damn black box, it’s a literal Schroeder’s Cat. The contents of the box changes based on when it’s opened, as long as it’s shut its contents stay in constant flux, the reality the box is in will never be finalized until the box is opened. Until then the box keeps the worlds in shards of theoretical existence. Many things could achieve this but this box is something the MoM can control. He can decide when he wants to finalize this reality at least somewhat by when chooses to open the box. That’s why Xigbar talks and questions the idea that the box is actually black or what the world actually is. In this theoretical reality they stand in the box is black but if you looked from the outside maybe you see a reality where the box is blue or yellow or purple. From an outsider the box in only ever theoretically something, it’s all kinds of colors, but inside this theoretical reality it’s black.

“I’ve been having these strange thoughts lately....is any of this for real or not?”

That’s the key, none of this real and yet at the same time it IS real. It’s just perspective, to people of this world, this reality, it’s real. But in another reality like ours for example it’s fiction, just code and writing imagined from the head of a Japanese dude. Sora is real to himself but fake to us and perhaps if we could get an outside perspective we would see a world in which Sora IS real.

Maybe this is what Xehanort was after. The ancient keybladers made it to a fictional world and that is what Mickey is looking into? Perhaps that’s what happened with the Dandelions. The MoM sent them to another world/reality where the keyblade war never happened. Then they managed to return to this world where it did happen or at least some did. What Xehanort may have wanted was the secret to that, the secret to jumping to a fictional world, to escape these theoretical realities he exists in, maybe he never stopped being the kid who felt trapped it’s just his prisons got larger and larger. At the same time he probably knew he couldn’t truly escape this world so if he was stuck here the least could do is shape this world to his views and liking. If you’re going to be trapped in a prison you can at least make it a prison you want to live in.

Shorter version free of ramble.

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I theorize based on the concept of a "fictional world" the world exists as a state of theoretical worlds co-existing together. A world, in sense of all of a reality, is real when inside it and all other theoretical possibilities are just theory/fiction. However when you step outside and see the greater world for what it is you see all possibilities are real/did happen and co-exist with all other possibilities. So in example...

Sora lives in a reality in which darkness prevailed and light expired. Then he rewrote reality to make a new one in which light prevails and Xehanort's win is just a fictional what-if. In the first reality the BoP tells the truth with absolute accuracy but in the second reality the BoP is just fiction based on what could happen but didn't. This means in the second reality Sora himself was a fictional concept, a version of him that didn't come to be, and so he couldn't exist in this world very long. When he made a third reality in which he saves Kairi drastically cut down the time he had remaining in this world because now he was like a double fictional Sora. Where Sora ended up being sent was to another fictional world, a place that wasn't real in Sora's worlds but in another reality is real, the world of Yozora and Verum Rex.

So to answer the question on if "any of this is for real or not" the answer is yes, no, and both. The world you are in is real to you but to another in a different world it's fake, and to the person standing outside both they are both very real or total fictional.

That's why the MoM is so cold. He knows the world is just a bunch of shards of theoretical existences and so it doesn't matter what happens in one because the alternate happens in another. It doesn't matter if they destroy or are destroyed by darkness in this world because there will be other worlds with other outcomes. If you want to truly get rid of darkness there is only one way to do so. Go beyond time and space, destroy all the theoretical shards or connect them all into a singular world with one reality, one sky, one destiny, one heart where darkness doesn't exist.

Xehanort may have realized this to, that they exist inside only a shard of theoretical existence and he sought to escape this theoretical world to reach the one true end, but also being Xehanort knew he may never actually manage that and made a back-up plan of making this world he was stuck in to be the kind of world he wants to live in. In other words Xehanort never stopped being the boy that felt imprisoned, his prisons just grew in size, and he was always seeking a way out while making his prisons nice for him incase he doesn't escape.

Mate. I love your theory.

Thanks for the confidence boost. I just wish I had practiced more on standard style setting, had I known the styles are apparently unchangeable for story mode. I'll have to do the entire game on beginner to stand a chance. If it's true I wish the different styles weren't on the demo at all, and force you to play the way they clearly want you to

There is still time for you to try getting adjusted to it in the demo But yeah, I'm there with you, I don't understand what the idea of one button mode is if you can't use it in the mode that unlocks the songs.

 

[palizinhas]

He's stoic, leave him alone. Give him Lightning or Cloud's face instead of the pseudo-Sora smiling and emotive face and you wouldn't have a problem.

But if the idea is for him to be stoic, then don't have him over emoting all the time. It always looks like the idea is for him to be emotional, but instead his VA keeps reading his lines like he's bored. And I don't understand what the problem is because David has always been at least good, but ever since kh3 he just... talks like that. It's like they want Riku to sound "mature" but don't know how to do it in a way that makes David actually seem like he's trying.

And I thought that was a kh3 problem - making Riku's voice more serious to contrast him with Dark Riku, but that clearly wasn't the problem if it's also in MoM.

 

[kirabook]

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The fact that Riku is the one that implies she's not strong enough to go though. That digs the knife ever so much deeper.