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This kind of lines up with how the games treated it. Revival for the Nobodies was teased but not given the level of importance that TAV was throughout DDD, and KH3. I also wonder how much Lea/Axel's DDD revival effected it? The whole "recompletion" angle was just a easy way to bring back the Organization regardless how it impacted the lore, but if they never brought Axel back would that have leaned more into not bringing back Roxas, Xion, and Namine?

Yea, that's how it played out in my observations as well.

It started with Blank Points in BBS more or less, but typical Nomura-like it was kept highly ambiguous and several possible outcomes could be interpreted from it for all involved characters presented there.

I remember the forums here being filled with debates back in 2011 and following years over which route would be taken from there.

Then came Coded and Re:Coded with the whole scenario around Data-Sora and the question if a heart can be born/created in a being of data and possibly also elsewhere as well as the final part of the game in Castle Oblivion which connected this theme further as well as being connected to Blank Points as well.
The whole theme of "non-natural-born" beings capable of having their own hearts was at the same time also a throwback to Chain of Memories where Sora already insisted that the Riku Replica, despite not being Riku still had a heart of his own.
It was also in the "new" secret ending of Re: Coded where Yen Sid and Mickey debated about the whole procedure of beating both the Nobody and corresponding Heartless will bring back the original person, something already mentioned in the KH II Final Mix-Ultimania years before but was only made 100% canon by being included in an actual primary medium of the series.
Back then there were also countless debates if and how that would apply to Roxas, Naminé, Xion and Xemnas because they were all unusual special cases.

This whole narrative string came then to a culmination in DDD where the question if anything can have or gain a heart of their own was ultimately answered with yes by both the "good" side via Ansem the Wise and the "bad" side by both Xemnas and Xigbar.
What exactly that meant for characters like Naminé, Xion and Roxas was still kept ambiguous even then although the whole "they can form and nurture their own hearts" already pointed to them being their own persons in essence.

Yet it was Joshua from TWEWY who spilled out the essential conditions to if a being would/could be considered their own individual:
Joshua: Well, why can't it? By ourselves, we're no one. It's when other
people look at us and see someone--that's the moment we each start to exist.
All they needed was for someone to see them, connect with them. And the two
of you were a big part of making it happen.

And Nomura played with this during Sora's final world when he finally met Roxas face-to-face without it escalating into a battle and by throwing another curveball.
Originally Roxas was arguably the character who fought for his own identity and individuality with the most effort and fervor seen in the series, but during the sequence there in DDD he seemed to have given up and accepted himself as "just a part of Sora" and it is Sora himself who immediately interjects and rejects this reading, insisting that Roxas has the right to be his own person and that he sees him as his own person as well.

I may lean out of the window here but I do think that this scenario was still part of Nomura's indecisiveness on the matter as it was still open as to which view on things would ultimately prevail and happen in KH III.
Roxas' by now established view that he's "just" a part of Sora or Sora's seeing Roxas as his own individual.
Lea/Axel and other characters who do see Roxas as his own person would certainly also play a role towards this according to Joshua's explanation.

With Naminé, things were more subtle and less shown, but there was another promise between her and Sora beyond the whole "Thank you"-thing and that was Sora promising they'll become real friends once they meet again in person.
Kairi having thoughts about Naminé in III regarding her status and possible existence of her own heart and thus being a person of her own were a nice groundwork for her possibly starting to grow a bit as a character and not being always fixated only on Sora but sadly it didn't amount to much more.

All in all, things were however subtly developed towards them being their own persons, with Xion obviously being the most complicated case because of all the memory shenanigans and I think I do remember Nomura himself stating either in the Coded- or in the DDD-Ultimania that Xion's "return" or similar would be the most difficult to achieve.

All in all, the whole issue seems to me like a repeat of the whole earlier fandom-splitting question if Nobodies really have no hearts or rather if they remain constantly in that state.
There were several competing interpretations of this issue ever since the end of KH II and the one that they can somehow regain a heart won out in the end.
 

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If it’s a character we all know, but didn’t hear the voice of it could be literally anyone from Dark Road
 

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If it’s a character we all know, but didn’t hear the voice of it could be literally anyone from Dark Road
Sigurd from UX finale; Odin, Baldr, Bragi, and Hermod from DR. Have I forgotten someone?
 

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What I love about all of this is the fact that the devs are hearing the community's complaints. "KH3 was too easy" - they added ReMind which is the hardest challenge the series has ever provided, just behind from the egg minigame from the bistro. "No FF characters & Kairi still does nothing" - they added them in ReMind and made her playable for the first time. "Too much Disney, not enough original content" - well KH4 looks like it's shaping up to have a decent mix of the two.

And now we have reaction commands returning and hopefully the end of those dreadful situation commands. The final product could be amazing.
 

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What I love about all of this is the fact that the devs are hearing the community's complaints. "KH3 was too easy" - they added ReMind which is the hardest challenge the series has ever provided, just behind from the egg minigame from the bistro. "No FF characters & Kairi still does nothing" - they added them in ReMind and made her playable for the first time. "Too much Disney, not enough original content" - well KH4 looks like it's shaping up to have a decent mix of the two.

And now we have reaction commands returning and hopefully the end of those dreadful situation commands. The final product could be amazing.
Difficulty wise, what KH4 needs is Critical Mode from the getgo

Also I personally think Critical Mode shouldn't be some unlock after you beat the game once, I feel like you should be able to jump straight into critical
 

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Oh yeah I saw the TWEWY question.

Guy asked about if Sora will reunite with Neku and crew and Nomura instead just talked about the world itself.
Nomura is always more coy about this than people's summaries suggest.

The last time he was asked about it he just said there isn't necessarily a connection and what's more important is that Neku's and Quadratum's are both (to paraphrase based on intention) SHIbuya instead of Shibuya, though I didn't realize the point of that until now. But this is always reported as him just saying "nothing, don't think".
 
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Sigurd from UX finale; Odin, Baldr, Bragi, and Hermod from DR. Have I forgotten someone?
I'm guessing that the narrator will be present in both games. And since time travel is a thing and Nomura introduces alternative methods of time travel that break pre-established rules of time travel.... 🤬🤬😫😫😫

Anyway, the game begins while Brain is still young, thus none of the keyblade schoolchildren are born yet. My best guesses are union x MC, Darkness, Sigurd, a younger Odin, or that old guy who took Xehanort to Destiny Islands.

Don't know how MC can exist between UX and DR, but Nomura always finds a way to force things to happen.

This particular Darkness could be the one that just upped and vanished after fighting Luxu off-screen at the end of UX. Or maybe the Darknesses trapped between Data Daybreak Town and Game Central Station broke free and..., I guess, aimlessly fucked around for over 100 years.

Sigurd, younger Odin, and that old guy simply cuz why not. Any of them could've gone to Quadratum after dying.
 

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I'm guessing that the narrator will be present in both games. And since time travel is a thing and Nomura introduces alternative methods of time travel that break pre-established rules of time travel.... 🤬🤬😫😫😫

Anyway, the game begins while Brain is still young, thus none of the keyblade schoolchildren are born yet. My best guesses are union x MC, Darkness, Sigurd, a younger Odin, or that old guy who took Xehanort to Destiny Islands.

Don't know how MC can exist between UX and DR, but Nomura always finds a way to force things to happen.

This particular Darkness could be the one that just upped and vanished after fighting Luxu off-screen at the end of UX. Or maybe the Darknesses trapped between Data Daybreak Town and Game Central Station broke free and..., I guess, aimlessly fucked around for over 100 years.

Sigurd, younger Odin, and that old guy simply cuz why not. Any of them could've gone to Quadratum after dying.
It's Sigurd.
 

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Like, confirmed? That was quick.

It really was quick, I couldn't believe how fast ivaannom solved it.
 

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So it's confirmed to be Sigurd? Aww, I was going to suggest that it's the old guy who dropped dead on Destiny Islands watching Xehanort growing up. Seriously, who is that guy? It bothers me we are just glossing over this random dead dude. I think I'll name him Destiny Island-Dead-Dude, or maybe just Destiny-Dead-Dude for DDD.

Though I am curious who Sigurd is too, but the come on, we gotta learn who that old guy was.
 

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I really can’t at Nomura saying it’s a character we all know when Sigurd only appeared in the end cutscene of Ux (a mobile game!) and is such an unknown character compared to others.

I literally forgot about him
 

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People are really making assumptions and jumping the gun about who's popular or not. The only ones who are the most popular characters are Sora, Roxas, and Aqua, consistently, to the point where it's painful in a good way (if you like them). The rest are extensions. The poll that was done beforehand and kept showing up was a limited demographic and doesn't encompass a worthwhile percentage of the fanbase. Nonetheless, let's break it down. For example, if you think Xion is popular because of that poll, then Kairi (the one that is not "well written") must be as well considering there was only a 20 vote difference between them, and Naminé, who Nomura has screwed over in multiple ways by sidelining her, still managed not to be far either...which is crazy considering how much of a non-presence he's made her and is now trying to make up for it. In comparison, Aqua leads far ahead of all three to an eyebrow raising degree. Sora and Roxas were basically about to go head to head.

I feel like Axel is mid (now more than he ever was, the CoM and KHII love is dwindling), and I've gotten the impression that Riku is more loved and/or appreciated in the West.

On top of that, we don't know what subset or section of the fandom the staff were looking at. Or if people wanted these characters to return because they wanted the happy ending for them and that it would be unfair. Was it during the wake of feeling bad for these characters? Opinions vary upon this subject. I'm more than certain there are Japanese fans who think they shouldn't have come back similar to how they exist in the West.

The loudest =/= majority.

But it does get attention.

Wow, this is a little surreal. So, I was actually the one who asked Nomura if Roxas and Xion were always meant to come back. I also asked about Isa's scar (though it's possible I wasn't the only one). On the topic of Roxas and Xion, personally, I never got the sense that either were meant to come back physically, and to me, their return in KH3 felt like cheesy fanservice. That is why I asked the question in the first place (which I can't believe he actually answered honestly, holy shit!).

Wish you could have included Naminé in that, because now I wonder where she landed on in that decision-making process. I feel she was left with bread crumbs compared to the rest in the sense that she could have a role in the future. The character story in the Character Files, the recent abundance of merch with her and her placement in the anniversary art drives that further. That, or Nomura is feeling guilty as hell.

Speaking of her, of all things that could have been asked about her, it was that? And those who were in charge of the questions, this was what they picked? o_O

Before KH3, my interpretation of the story was that Roxas was born with Ventus's heart. Due to that, I assumed that when Ventus was finally revived, he'd have all of Roxas's development and memories. Roxas's character arc would thus be resolved through Ventus's revival. That was what I always assumed was meant by healing Roxas's torment in Re:Coded. To me, Roxas and Ventus were the same person. That is always how I saw the story going, and based off of Nomura's response to my tweet, I am now utterly convinced of it.

I believe that's exactly what they were going for as well or they were teetering at the edge of it, but Nomura finalized them as different people. Correct me if wrong, but I vaguely remember an interview back then how he wanted to keep things open and that making Roxas be Ventus was "too predictable", and it's really that kind of mindset that makes the narrative subpar. He was worried Aqua wouldn't be popular because she wasn't tied to or connected to any other character (i.e. look-alikes) even. Rule of Cool and Rule of Shock are what basically drives his choices. Whether he learned from them is another thing, but the cloning nonsense should have stopped (and ended) at Roxas and Naminé, period. Everything else feels hand-forced. Half the cast are basically Sora derivations with one [actual] Kairi.

It makes sense that Roxas would be Ventus. The lore behind both of them interconnects them, that Ven's heart went inside the vessel that was Roxas, how they had Lea meet Ven in the past, etc. It would resolve the body situation since Roxas would have one waiting for him (I'm sorry, I still find the whole blank mannequin thing creepy...you put a Heart in something, and somehow, that makes them indistinguishable from humans because with that, they suddenly and magically get organs that weren't there and stuff...then suddenly and magically, they don't have those organs and brains and blood once the Heart is out...lmao). Roxas dual wields because he can use both his and Sora's Keyblades...honestly, if it wasn't for Nomura separating them, it's practically seamless.

Since he decided not to do it though, I would have felt some type of way if Great Value Roxas got to return and be more proactive in the next saga while not bringing back the original (by creation order), who has the better personality, is the better character, and who's waaaay more popular. Nomura doomed Ven the second he went with him looking exactly like Roxas; there's no individuality. He has off-brand Sora's personality with Roxas' face. No wonder he didn't make a splash. And I know Nomura is attempting to bring some...life and attention to the guy by inserting him in Ux, but like, should have thought of the bigger picture. He never thinks of the bigger picture and how those hedonistic decisions impacts a character.

I do see how there's a lot to pack with one character with two lives (three?), but honestly, that would have just made Roxas one of the bigger focuses of the series. Worst case scenario is that he parallels his importance to the series the same way as Sora. But is that really a worst case scenario?

Her lived experience would kind of be "passed on" to Kairi. And that was why the Lea/Kairi relationship was such a strong focus in KH3.

I dislike how things have to be "passed on" because Xion was created from the sample of Sora's memories, and took a form of Kairi because those were his strongest memories. It just makes the entire friendship and relationship of these two characters completely disingenuous because it's more or less a replacement goldfish situation. I detested when they poisoned it by doing just that in III but conveniently ignored that in KHII. Especially when paired with the non-reaction to Kairi's, uh, "demise". From now on, Kairi's friendship with Lea will feel superficial to me. It's fine if you are going to retcon a character in Days, but the fact that these tidbits of "Xion" and subconscious memories of her were possible in the first place and yet nothing was done with that in previous games just sticks out that they clearly wanted to avoid the plot hole of KHII of why no one mentioned this one girl and why she wasn't a thing. More so because Axel did interact with Kairi.
 
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So it's confirmed to be Sigurd? Aww, I was going to suggest that it's the old guy who dropped dead on Destiny Islands watching Xehanort growing up. Seriously, who is that guy? It bothers me we are just glossing over this random dead dude. I think I'll name him Destiny Island-Dead-Dude, or maybe just Destiny-Dead-Dude for DDD.

Though I am curious who Sigurd is too, but the come on, we gotta learn who that old guy was.
For all we know, the old guy could be Old Sigurd. 😅
 
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