Roxas and Ven :I is that not redundant
Isa or Saix, who attacked Lea?
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Roxas and Ven :I is that not redundant
No because they are two different people unlike Braig/Xigbar and Saix/Isa who are just the same person with or without a heart.
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Presumably because Lea never got those tattoos, Axel did. Whereas, Braig got that scar and retained it as Xigbar. Saix likely gained his scar as Isa, as well.
I'm proposing that it's currently debatable. I accept that it's most likely just out of allegiance towards Xehanort that they're still called by their Nobody names, but I'm just pointing out that there are Darknesses yet to be revealed so we can't say for certain that there aren't two of them running around.
He's so far down the rabbit hole at this point that it likely doesn't.
Lol, why am I not surprised that this one pops up again. This is really getting old, as Nomura had already confirmed that Roxas and Ven are totally different entities shortly after KH 2 FM was released, I wonder when the last ten percent of the fanbase will get this memorized. xD
Exactly.
That's a reasonable approach to it. It's also funny somewhat that only those characters who are reasonably important have such small distinctions, as when we look at Zexion/Ienzo or Lexaeus/Aeleus for example they do not have any physical difference that stands out like Braig/Xigbar, Lea/Axel or Isa/Saix have.
Indeed, it's a possibility that should be kept in mind, however unlikely it may seem to us right now. The main issue is actually that the introduction of the time-travel plot point actually allows such a scenario, just like it would allow having Riku on the Guardians of Light and on the Seekers of Darkness if they would really go the route and take KH 1 "bag of dicks"-Riku who has fallen to the darkness.
Not to mention Braig was willingly into it from the beginning. He conspired with Xehanort already back in BBS.
Most likely though since Siax is also Isa, Lea could've just been using his human name when addressing him.
I once heard that it was actually Xehanort who attacked lea.
He could control Saix because his heart was inside of him (that's the thing about vessels)
so he used saix to attack lea like when he used his young self to attack riku , becuase young xehanort couldn't wield a keyblade(at that point of life , he havn't learned yet //even at bbs secret boss he didn't wielded one) and when he fought riku he summoned MX(his future self) keyblade , that's was because MX (his future self) controlled him and he could summon the keyblade .
Its actually confirmed (it's not a theory or something even though its pretty obvious) :
He could control Saix because his heart was inside of him (that's the thing about vessels)
so he used saix to attack lea like when he used his young self to attack riku , becuase young xehanort couldn't wield a keyblade(at that point of life , he havn't learned yet //even at bbs secret boss he didn't wielded one) and when he fought riku he summoned MX(his future self) keyblade , that's was because MX (his future self) controlled him and he could summon the keyblade .
Its actually confirmed (it's not a theory or something even though its pretty obvious) :
So maybe xehanort controled Saix (because his heart is in him) like he could control his younger self somehow.
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That's possible. Isa/Saix didn't look all there. But I guess you can't really when you have a whole 3 seconds of screen time.
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I think he did.
Man, having a creepy old dude take control of your sexy body in an instant. *shivers*
I'm starting to feel bad for the Org.(New Org., Xehanorginazation, Norg?) guys.
Except Xigbar.
Norganization or Nortanization, perhaps?
Great, now I can't see that scene the same way ever again... would somebody be so kind as to wipe that image out of my mind? Where's Naminé when you need her?
So it's possible that it's actually MX, instead of Isa, who attacked Lea, only through his body. I think it's quite true to some extent, since Isa looked very, very cold in that scene. Considering his "personality", he would've probably had some words with Lea if that time he had been acting on his own, instead of straightaway attacking him like that.
Well, something that a lot of people overlook is the fact that Ansem, SoD is just Terranort's heart inside Riku's body, so his body is already in there. We already have "different enough" copies are already in the new organization, so it wouldn't be a stretch... I say the DDD Black Coat Riku we see in monstro combined with Time Travel plot is proof that old Riku is a part of the new organization.
I'd say it's very possible. Though never stated out right MX obviously does have some sort of control, he was even able to give YX a power boost to bypass Mickeys stop spell and summon a keyblade, which YX can't do on his own.
Agreed that is is vastly over looked. Any time you see a physical ansem it's him in riku's body.
Nobodies only look faintly different from their others.
If it's an actual scar, it's probably permanent. Axel's tear drops weren't.
There was rumor around the time that Days came out that Axel/Lea was the cause of/knew the cause of Saix's/Isa's scar.
While it's possible that MX exerted direct control during that scene considering his glance towards a hooded Isa and also the near-robotic face. Isa/Saix had no qualms about attacking and even nearly kill Axel/Lea before, as seen when Axel hastily retreats in Hollow Bastion during KH 2 after he explained Xemnas' plan to Sora, Donald and Goofy when Saix shows up and later when he comes to Sora's aid shortly before he sacrifices himself, he is slumped over and hurt, which is implied to be Saix' work.
And at the time of KH 2 there was no MX around to assert direct control.
I wouldn't already go so far to call it "proof", as this black-coat Riku could also really be only an illusion of the Dream Worlds/Riku's own subconscious rather than having anything to do with the new Organisation.
It could also be the Riku Replica, Ansem SoD taking Riku's form to mess with him or whatever.
The possibility and implication is however definitely there as well.
It would also add to the notion that MX can control any of his vessels at a whim, and not just "true" Xehanort-versions. If the vessel in question has no heart MX could do that easily through his own heart-shard that it placed in the body. If it has though, as Nomura describes in the Ultimania, the original heart is captured and unable to resist MX's outward control.
The latter part really reminds me much of Ultimecia from Final Fantasy VIII, who controlled Edea like this for the first two discs of the game.
Yes, but the issue can be practically extended to everyone involved in Xehanort's schemes.
Or wording it differently: Who actually isn't a chess piece to MX anyways? He doesn't care for other people's hearts, wishes and needs, as Sora so fittingly described they're just bottles on a shelf for him to use.
When you read his BBS Reports closely it is evident that he only took Ventus in as an apprentice to eventually steal his body, and when that proved to be unsuitable because Xehanort deemed him as too kind/frail to be of use, he immediately thinks up another possible "use" for him by trying the shortcut to the X-blade.
This is true, I was just using the chest piece as analogy though cause of MX's direct control over his org.
I guess you could think of Sora and everyone else as the chess pieces on the opposite side of the board to MX. While he dont control them directly he can more or less guess their next move and guide them in a way he wants most the time.
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