Oh, aye, it was your choice, but how you're raised always affects this. Also, you picked examples where the parent would not actually punish the child, but support him.
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Oh, aye, it was your choice, but how you're raised always affects this. Also, you picked examples where the parent would not actually punish the child, but support him.
my bad but you get what I'm saying though right?
So we're ignoring "The Kingdom of God is at hand" are we?
That is very close. The Mustard Seed wasn't an annoying weed, really. It's just that a mustard seed (especially the ones they used) are about the size of the head of a pin. So they are these really really small things, which really helps the purpose of its respective parable.
What I've been taught (which is from a scholar that studied with Raymond Brown, who was an elite biblical scholar of his time) is that the Kingdom of God is the resurrection of the people starting with Jesus Christ. Mind you, resurrection does not mean resuscitation. Resurrection, as this mentor described and most scholars agree, is a transformation of a more complete faith in YHWH.
Next, for the love of Sleipnir stop taking Prophetic books matching them with the Gospels. Because one prophetic book said this doesn't mean that the prophecy is correct, the evangelists who wrote the damn Gospels take the imagery and sayings from Prophetic books as well as other Old Testament texts to emphasize their points/describe who Jesus is (a writing technique called midrash), not to prove the Prophetic books right on said "prediction."
Also, after the child grows independent, the parent loses the right to punish his child.
Yes dude, but like I said, the parent does to better their child. This is why the punishment is temporary: the parent's ultimate purpose is to see the child happy. With which part are you in disagreement?
What parent do you know punishes their children for the sake of punishing? Parents punish their children because they love them, simple as that. The difference between a parent's punishment and the common christian hell is that hell is eternal pain. What purpose would it serve anyone to torture someone eternally? If you learn your lessons, how could you apply them?
Pheonix, you're really starting to piss me off. You read this post and you KNOW that it was intended for people of Christian faith, yet you just have to get some perverse joy in wanting to try to force your beliefs on others by trying to prove them wrong, destroying their faith and their very way of life.
Your whole argument is based on what you believe. There is no accurate definition of perfection. We've never seen it! How in the world can you say that "perfect beings don't need to prove themselves?" You are acting even more immature and ignorant than anyone on here.
Because if you have even known anything about the Bible you would know that Monarchy is NOT a human creation. The things about Divine Right I believe can be started back with King David. God was like, "go pick this person to be my buddy on Earth and rule the land that I have chosen. Go get him to be my KING!"
Also with your beliefs, just think about them for a second. If you are so smart and you know that there is nothing smarter than humans, take a serious thought if your beliefs are truly beneficial to you. If all humans have fear of death, being unloved, and loneliness, then why is a belief that quells those so bad? See, we Christians will (even if God is false) always be able to not have these fears until death. But you, if you get in a position where you are alone, proven that you are unloved, or close to death, you will be afraid as crap, your life will suck. So tell me, who's life is more "right" the life that can live with comfort, love, and courage, or the one you've chosen that has the bleak resonance that death is the final end breaking all hope that is the evolutionary trait that keeps people alive.
This is only recently that this ever happened. Throughout most of history's human civilizations, parents could always punish their child. Maybe this is true for America that legally they can't. But I'll tell you what, my Mom and Dad will always be able to punish me, cuz they're my parents. I respect their decisions knowing that they just might know something I don't and they're looking out for me.
And this point brings one of yours back around. Remember when you said that people can't enjoy food unless they know/are hungry. Well you just fell into a trap with this because our punishment is temporary. Note: Christ. Our punishment only exists until we say, "sorry Dad for doing wrong." And then his Kingdom comes and so does perfection, making his children HAPPY.
Pheonix, there has been another post that truly, there is no Hell. No reference in the Bible that it is a true place that we will go to as a punishment. There is a Lake of Fire, but it is not Hell. There is a noun, which is referenced as hellfire or in the state of hell. Which is just basic bad in general. God does punish us because he loves us. Thank you for that, there is a verse: Deuteronomy 8:5 "Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you." Since you just said that man disciplines his child for the reason of love and that alone, this says that God does in the same way. There are other verses too, but I think this one makes the best connection.
Pheonix, look, if you want to question and learn, then go ahead and post. But seriously, I take great offense to you constantly trying to poke holes in religions. This was meant to be a positive discussion not the full blown argument that you've turned it into. If you want to help, and truly help according to our faith, then do so, but if we want an argument, we'll ask for one.
See, this is the belief that I, perhaps unfairly, have a problem with. You'd rather believe in a comfortable lie than in the truth, regardless of what it is? I personally put a lot of stock in the truth, so this is biased, but I am simply unable to respect a belief that prefers a lie over the truth.
Whatever you may think, however rough the way I debate seems, I haven't disrespected the religion. I've gone so far as to acknowledge that I am a human, and therefore, imperfect when it comes to judging anything. That said, this is the Discussion section, we discuss. You think I would make a thread called "Why Atheism Rocks (only atheists allowed)", and not expect people to come in pointing out why it doesn't? That's just naive. I post in a Discussion Forum, therefore, I expect discussion. Is this unreasonable?
Whatever you may think, however rough the way I debate seems, I haven't disrespected the religion. I've gone so far as to acknowledge that I am a human, and therefore, imperfect when it comes to judging anything. That said, this is the Discussion section, we discuss. You think I would make a thread called "Why Atheism Rocks (only atheists allowed)", and not expect people to come in pointing out why it doesn't? That's just naive. I post in a Discussion Forum, therefore, I expect discussion. Is this unreasonable?
if calling the religion a lie isn't disrespecting it, i don't see what is. and, if you're 'imperfect when it comes to judging anything', just as all of us are, then who's to say you aren't wrong about this?
and what's the worst thing that can happen to you if you believe that something good will happen to you when you die?
but you're coming into a thread such as "how do i get through deep jungle in KH?" and saying "KH sucks, i think FF is a way better series."
Read closer, why don't you? I referred to his statement that it's better to believe in Goid, eve if it was a lie.
See, this is exactly what I mean. Why do you feel insulted when you just implied that the truth was irrelevant?
Refer to my first comment in the first page, then get back to me.
2) Why would i feel insulted if you called my religion a lie? you tell me.
and the truth is what you believe it to be.
I'm not saying the truth is irrelevant. I'm saying "why not believe in a religion where you go to heaven?"
i'd rather believe i go to a better place than believe i'm going to turn into a tree, be ground into paper, and have the bible printed on me (sorry for the short dane cook reference xD)