Autism

[Venitas]

This isn't the issue right now Venitas....They're saying that I indirectly exploited my brother on youtube by making that video, even though it was his chose.

sorry, just kinda venting.
ur brother sounds identical to mine.
i don't believe you exploited him.
people are just ignorant...they dont live with it.

Nevermore: I say "being different" bcuz thts what it is.
Not every1 has a mental disability...so they r, broadly speaking, "different"

 

[Random Queen]

sorry, just kinda venting.
ur brother sounds identical to mine.
i don't believe you exploited him.
people are just ignorant...they dont live with it.

Nevermore: I say "being different" bcuz thts what it is.
Not every1 has a mental disability...so they r, broadly speaking, "different"

Thank you Venitas.

Oh and "normal" people can be "different" but I know what you're implying so I'm not gonna be all like: "What are you talking about blah blah blah"

 

[Roa]

Well, here's my two cents on the matter. (will be going off from the current discussion)

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First, I'll say, I HATE LABELS. I hate them so much. They're not too useful, imho. In fact, they can downright make these kids feel extremely pooty. Especially when they're put into a group enviroment with other kids with similar issues. (Trust me on this.)

I personally, as having supposedly been diganosed with Aspergers (screw you doctors, your no help anyways. =P*), find it extremely annoying when people try to help me with some of my issues (shyness blah blah blah) and they bring up "How do you feel about having aspergers?" Omfg. Wtf? Shut up. I hate being called that.

It's not that I don't realize I don't have issues, its' more along the lines of, stop labeling me. Stop putting me into a group with other people because we have similar problems. You dont' know me. You don't know who I am. So shut it. >.< Stop classifying me. I hate it.

And actually, those stupid meetings I told you guys all about (or didn't) that I had to go to in may? That was for "social skills." They didn't help one bit.

In all seriousness, I found the better way to help with the social issues, is by putting them in something the kid likes to do. If they're thrown into a group with other kids who have the same problems, they are going to feel extremely prejuiced (or whatever) upon.
Like for me, the meetings happened to take place the same day as Pokemon TCG League. And, as I said, the meetings were boring as phuck. (Well I gues another kid had KH days, but lol. funny story for another time.) In fact, I didn't even attend the last meeting. I went back to pokemon, and realized, how much more pokemon league helped me than those stupid meetings. It's quite incredible.

Anyways, I'm getting sidetracked.

So as I said, I hate labeling. Hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

I mean, what's the use of being uber smart if you're going to get teased for being uber smart, because it's supposedly the result of something that's wrong with your brain? No, there's no use.

That's why I hate it. Labels only tie the better parts of your condintions to those that weight you down a phuckin' lot.
As I said, (or clarifying) I find it better to treat all the issues invidually, and not associate them with the good parts of you.

And as everybody else said, it's basically those people's hand of cards. Don't tease them for it. They dont' have to be proud of their hand, but they shouldn't be ashamed either. It's not their fault. <:

and yea, I know, that probably didn't make any sense. Sorry. D:

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Lol, did I really just rambling on what I think helps austism? XD. anyways, I'm going to end my rambling now.

 

[Venitas]

Roa, this is how my bro feels.
My mom sends him to all those social skills things and he hates them.

 

[Random Queen]

Roa, this is how my bro feels.
My mom sends him to all those social skills things and he hates them.

Why doesn't she pay attention to how he feels about them instead of sending him to them?

I swear, it seems the people who understand these people most is the people that care about them most. My bro and I connect better then him and my mom. While my mom works overnight to pay for our needs, I sit here with him, keeping an ear out, making sure he eats and stuff. We've cared about each other right off the bat, like love at first site in fairy tales almost. If my brother doesn't want to do something, I'm the first person he tells. I pay attention to his feelings.

My point is getting off topic of what we are currently talking about...sorry....

 

[Roa]

Roa, this is how my bro feels.
My mom sends him to all those social skills things and he hates them.

Exactly, it's cause they're boring aws hell. I mean, how are they even detirmened to get better or get help if whatever's supposed to be helping is boring? Yea, that doesn't work. Not at all. Especially with kids that already have issues listening to people and/or social issues.

It doesn't mix.

 

[Venitas]

Then comes the Social Skills DVD...dear God.

 

[Orion]

I walked in a circle for about six hours, today.
Was pretty ballin'.

I always knew you could overcome your disability and come far in life.

 

[Beyer]

Spoiler Show

First, I'll say, I HATE LABELS. I hate them so much. They're not too useful, imho. In fact, they can downright make these kids feel extremely pooty. Especially when they're put into a group enviroment with other kids with similar issues. (Trust me on this.)

I personally, as having supposedly been diganosed with Aspergers (screw you doctors, your no help anyways. =P*), find it extremely annoying when people try to help me with some of my issues (shyness blah blah blah) and they bring up "How do you feel about having aspergers?" Omfg. Wtf? Shut up. I hate being called that.

It's not that I don't realize I don't have issues, its' more along the lines of, stop labeling me. Stop putting me into a group with other people because we have similar problems. You dont' know me. You don't know who I am. So shut it. >.< Stop classifying me. I hate it.

And actually, those stupid meetings I told you guys all about (or didn't) that I had to go to in may? That was for "social skills." They didn't help one bit.

In all seriousness, I found the better way to help with the social issues, is by putting them in something the kid likes to do. If they're thrown into a group with other kids who have the same problems, they are going to feel extremely prejuiced (or whatever) upon.
Like for me, the meetings happened to take place the same day as Pokemon TCG League. And, as I said, the meetings were boring as phuck. (Well I gues another kid had KH days, but lol. funny story for another time.) In fact, I didn't even attend the last meeting. I went back to pokemon, and realized, how much more pokemon league helped me than those stupid meetings. It's quite incredible.

Anyways, I'm getting sidetracked.

So as I said, I hate labeling. Hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

I mean, what's the use of being uber smart if you're going to get teased for being uber smart, because it's supposedly the result of something that's wrong with your brain? No, there's no use.

That's why I hate it. Labels only tie the better parts of your condintions to those that weight you down a phuckin' lot.
As I said, (or clarifying) I find it better to treat all the issues invidually, and not associate them with the good parts of you.

And as everybody else said, it's basically those people's hand of cards. Don't tease them for it. They dont' have to be proud of their hand, but they shouldn't be ashamed either. It's not their fault. <:

and yea, I know, that probably didn't make any sense. Sorry. D:

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I agree with so much of what you wrote. My best friend recently said a similar thing to me about labeling. He too has aspergers and I have been helping him get used to socialising (isolated himself for years and it has really affected him).

My two cents? Well, I think everyone diagnosed with autism, aspergers at the least, can overcome or at least weaken the severity of the cons of the...,disease sounds like a bad word but you get what I mean , just like I would try to work on my flaws. In my opinion, they are just flaws. Of course, treatment for helping get rid of these flaws is a tricky issue....

I am probably not making sense

 

[Wehrmacht]

Nevermore: I say "being different" bcuz thts what it is.
Not every1 has a mental disability...so they r, broadly speaking, "different"

Is being a schizophrenic just "different" then?

Nobody is saying we should burn autistic people alive or exclude them from society. We should try to help them to function better in society, but they wouldn't need help if they didn't have a problem. And being proud of a problem is, to put it bluntly, stupid.

My mother has an undisclosed form of autism (probably AS like me) and while today it's not at all apparent, it caused her a LOT of problems in her childhood and early adult life and as result she has a lot of issues and trauma to deal with even today. She even developed anorexia for a while and she would have let herself die if it wasn't for encouragement from my brother.

Why would anyone be proud of something like that and chalk it up as "just being different"?

 

[Random Queen]

Why would anyone be proud of something like that and chalk it up as "just being different"?

Okay before you say anything, I did read your whole post but thought this was the more important part.

So, what you're trying to say is, people should not be proud to be different? Okay, you have AS, so what. I'm not gonna insult you or pick on you because of it. People who pick on people with Autism don't know much about it. I'm not going to be mean about you not being proud about you having AS but, seriously, if someone wants to be proud about it, don't question it, just go "okay everyone has their own opinions". Simple as that, Sombre.

This maybe off topic, but I have been diagnosed with ADHD and Bipolar. I don't let my difference from the "normal" people get the best of me. Granted it does get kinda akward talking to people who are classified as "normal" but I still do it. I have loads of friends who either are normal or have some sort of disability. That's only because I didn't let my difference get the better of me.

I'm proud to have what I have solely for the fact that I am me. That's why people are proud to have any type of disability. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Because I did get alittle long winded with it =/

 

[Lycanthrope]

I still don't see why having a problem or disability is something to be proud of.

 

[Nyangoro]

So, what you're trying to say is, people should not be proud to be different?

No, he's saying it doesn't make sense to be proud of something that's not good. For example, you can be proud of accomplishing something despite autism (such as certain savants); but why would you be proud of autism itself? That's like being proud that you are blind. Why be proud that you are blind when you can be proud of all the things you can do despite it?

 

[Random Queen]

I still don't see why having a problem or disability is something to be proud of.

Well....Lycan....It's all with the person. Being different is not 100% bad. I think people don't understand why people are proud of being different is because they don't understand the disability or person. If you have the disability it doesn't mean you 100% understand it. Alot of people still go by the older definitions or researchers that only study a little bit. I'm not trying to say that the researchers are bad (so plz anyone who researches this stuff don't insinuate that b/c that's not what I'm saying). It's just that some of the research is not 100% accurate.

Only the people who have alot of understanding should be proud. Don't go by the first thing that's said or heard...or seen in a researchers case. I've been around loads of disabled people and my mom's current boss is disabled, but he advocates for this stuff. It's nothing to be ashamed of having a disability....

Edit: Nevermore, it's not actually 100% pride of the disability but what they can accomplish with it compared to without it. People, like my brother, are proud because alot of times they can do alot more with the disability then without it. Like I said earlier in the thread, my brother beat more video games in 2 years then I'll ever beat in my lifetime. It's the obsessive trait that motivated him.

 

[Nyangoro]

Just because you aren't proud of something doesn't mean you have to be ashamed of it.

 

[Siren]

Just because you aren't proud of something doesn't mean you have to be ashamed of it.

Exactly this. Being proud of a disability is, as everyone else has said, stupid. Being proud of your accomplishments is 'normal'. However, being okay with your disability is neither being proud of it nor 'cursing' it, and I feel as though that would be the appropriate course of action.

 

[Random Queen]

Just because you aren't proud of something doesn't mean you have to be ashamed of it.

Well true. But there are people ashamed of it in the world. You don't have to proud but don't put your paper bag over your head either. There can be medians.

 

[hmmartile]

In my opinion, they are just flaws. Of course, treatment for helping get rid of these flaws is a tricky issue....

I am probably not making sense

Autism, is not a flaw. Though they may be limited with people - they excel in all fields, creatively, academically, scientifically. If you were half a normal person, you'd realise the people with Autism, do so much for the world we live in, with out autistic people, we wouldn't have electricity, or the light bulb, or such great music. I think you need to go and research, all of the great minds in history had autism, I wish I had it, because quite frankly people suck and should die. MIND OVER MATTER (matter being friends)

 

[LongLiveLife]

Autism, is not a flaw. Though they may be limited with people - they excel in all fields, creatively, academically, scientifically. If you were half a normal person, you'd realise the people with Autism, do so much for the world we live in, with out autistic people, we wouldn't have electricity, or the light bulb, or such great music. I think you need to go and research, all of the great minds in history had autism, I wish I had it, because quite frankly people suck and should die. MIND OVER MATTER (matter being friends)

I agree with the first part of your post: our world would indeed not be the same were it not for the innovations of the autistic. However, not all autistic people contribute in this manner to the world.

But then the bolded bits degenerate all that and make me worried for you.

The underlined part is wrong; not all the great minds in the history of ever were autistic. You will have to go and research that.

 

[Square Ninja]

Dont't feed the trolls
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