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Our track record of intervening thus far deserves a grade of F. I don't trust any politician to go into Syria because history has told us we only make things infinitely worse.
This post and your whole preceding post are both super astute and on point.
The Dems are a floundering political presence at this point, trying to ride this myopic Russia scare into midterms like anybody is going to vote on this issue (anything to avoid discussing real problems). I'm just hoping some sort of sustained, focused opposition to the emboldened alt-right grows out of the vacuum created.

Trump couldn't even make it a day before blaming the left and defending neo- Nazis
I like the way my brother put this: it's like Trump was given a political cake for his birthday, and he just stuck his face in it. All the guy had to say is, "Nazis are bad." This is a universally accepted truth and probably the least controversial statement any politician, Republican or Democrat, could ever be asked to make...and Trump bungles the moment like only he can.
 

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I wouldn’t say he bungled it at all. No, he was deliberately appealing to his base—the same people who equate Black Lives Matter protests over the murder of the innocent to the KKK marches for the oppression of all black people. I guess it would be nicer to see him as incompetent instead of intentionally malicious.

As far as a Syrian intervention (under a hypothetical Hillary presidency), it would be a bit different from Bush using an excuse like weapons of mass destruction to waste human life invading the Middle East out of oil interests. I know it’s always a grey area, but I don't consider going to war to stop evil like the massacring of one's own people to be morally wrong. Not at all. I know there are other regimes—like in North Korea—where the same is true as with Syria, but the resulting war would do more harm for the world than leaving it alone.

I definitely don't want the U.S. going into Venezuela trying to prop up another fascist dictator like Trump is attempting to become. I doubt anything will happen with North Korea either because Trump was just using those headlines to distract from his own scandals.
 

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Trump is threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get his border wall. Who didn't see this coming?!

And now the Secret Service is bankrupt because of all of his golf trips. Don't you know what that means?! If the Secret Service is gone, that means that any old douchebag can just walk in there and attack him! I'm not suggesting that anyone can do this, but it is a possibility.

How many people think that the country is going to be broke next year?
 
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Trump is threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get his border wall. Who didn't see this coming?!

And now the Secret Service is bankrupt because of all of his golf trips. Don't you know what that means?! If the Secret Service is gone, that means that any old douchebag can just walk in there and attack him! I'm not suggesting that anyone can do this, but it is a possibility.

How many people think that the country is going to be broke next year?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Aren't we technically already broke?
 

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Well, there you go. Donna Brazile spills the beans on how the primaries were rigged in Clinton's favour. Of course, it's not very surprising. Currently the DNC under the leadership of Tom Perez have fired most Sanders supporters from any powerful positions within the party.

No wonder regular people no longer feel like they're the party of the people.
 

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The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

I have to point out how delicious it is Bernie Bros hated Brazile during the election, but now they take her at her word when she tells them something they want to hear. She did say that Sanders was offered the option of contributing to the DNC's debt and refused. I guess because he's not a Democrat and never had any interest in helping the Democratic party.

Also worth mentioning that 3 people connected to the Trump campaign were just arrested Monday. But I know arrests aren't nearly as important as an independent being shut out by a party he doesn't belong to.
 

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Also worth mentioning that 3 people connected to the Trump campaign were just arrested Monday. But I know arrests aren't nearly as important as an independent being shut out by a party he doesn't belong to.
I think it's safe to take like five minutes away from Manafort and co.'s unilateral domination of media headlines to acknowledge corruption in the political wing which is purported to be the opposition to corrupt politicking.

Donna's jumping ship and she isn't the only one. The AFL-CIO is already discussing the need to form a workers-focused Labor Party and the so-called "Bernie wing" of the Democratic base is a stone's throw away from breaking off entirely to do the same. The Republicans have been imploding in slow-motion for almost a decade and the Trump moment is like the glorious firebomb they've elected to go out in but the Democrats are in total free-fall and there are no breaks to the damage they've done to themselves; if a third party doesn't wipe them out, it will only be because a third party challenge has forced reform from within. As it stands, Bernie's constituency is the Democratic party's only remaining lifeline to any sort of relevant political future. Confirmations like this are well-earned nails in that coffin.

Now back to our regularly scheduled McCarthy-era hysteria. Let's take a shake at Tony Podesta and see what falls out of his pockets.
 

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I think it's safe to take like five minutes away from Manafort and co.'s unilateral domination of media headlines to acknowledge corruption in the political wing which is purported to be the opposition to corrupt politicking.
Except those arrests weren't even mentioned here. I guess we need to stick to calling it a "nothingburger" because that's convenient for your perception of the situation.

As for Bernie, keep dreaming about that third party. I'm just grateful there's no possibility he will gain any real hold on the Democratic Party. And he shouldn't have any hold. He is not a Democrat. If only the RNC had thought the same, they would've prevented Trump in the first place.
 

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He also supported other candidates who failed. Keith Ellison, Heath Mello, Kimberly Ellis--where are they again? Or Rob Quist who lost to a Republican who assaulted a reporter the day before the election? One win won't make the Democratic party capitulate to an outsider--thank God.

EDIT: And since I'm here, might as well point out that Tony Podesta has been targeted by Mueller for connections to Paul Manafort rather than his brother who worked for Hillary. Meanwhile Donna Brazile has been backpedaling and spinning, but I understand the woman needed to sell her book since the DNC no longer employs her. Just glad it didn't affect the elections yesterday.
 
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He also supported other candidates who failed. Keith Ellison, Heath Mello, Kimberly Ellis--where are they again? Or Rob Quist who lost to a Republican who assaulted a reporter the day before the election? One win won't make the Democratic party capitulate to an outsider--thank God.
The fact that people who are running on what passes for "far left" platforms in the skewed political geography of the U.S. might lose (lol) is just that, a fact, and if that's all that was happening there would be nothing to talk about. The fact that progressive candidates, some of whom are running in conjunction with socialist grassroots organizations which would have been the kiss of political death by association a couple election cycles ago, are coming out ahead of incumbents and establishment favorites is indicative of a gradual but notable realignment within the electorate.

And since I'm here, might as well point out that Tony Podesta has been targeted by Mueller for connections to Paul Manafort rather than his brother who worked for Hillary.
Yeah, and accusing John of having any knowledge or being complicit in this activity based on the actions of a close relative (who also happens to be one of the most powerful and well-connected Democratic lobbyists) would be kind of like pointing fingers at, say, a president for the shady business dealings (which don't even rise to the level of conspiracy) of his campaign manager and son-in-law.

Meanwhile Donna Brazile has been backpedaling and spinning, but I understand the woman needed to sell her book since the DNC no longer employs her.
I'm not sure why people keep targeting Donna Brazile with these unfair attacks on her character. Their lack of support for her seems indicative of a lot of racism and sexism imo. I mean, just because she isn't as pure as the driven snow...
 

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The fact that people who are running on what passes for "far left" platforms in the skewed political geography of the U.S. might lose (lol) is just that, a fact, and if that's all that was happening there would be nothing to talk about. The fact that progressive candidates, some of whom are running in conjunction with socialist grassroots organizations which would have been the kiss of political death by association a couple election cycles ago, are coming out ahead of incumbents and establishment favorites is indicative of a gradual but notable realignment within the electorate.
Interpret it whatever way makes you feel better. All it says to me is that people despise Republicans right now because they've embraced a xenophobic wannabe-dictator like Trump with open arms. And the wins again are down to the high turnout among black women, people Bernie and his supporters pissed all over for losing last year.

And accusing John of having any knowledge or being complicit in this activity based on the actions of a close relative (who also happens to be one of the most powerful and well-connected Democratic lobbyists) would be kind of like pointing fingers at, say, a president for the shady business dealings (which don't even rise to the level of conspiracy) of his campaign manager and son-in-law.
Except we have more than that to judge Trump on. Like how he gave classified information to the Russian ambassador when he visited the Oval Office earlier this year, how his cabinet is stacked with people tied to Russia, how even after signing the Russian sanctions order he is trying to keep it from being put into effect (which John McCain has been attacking him for recently), changed the Republican platform when it came to Ukraine/Russia when he became the nominee, received loans from a bank recently fined hundreds of millions for laundering money from Russia, etc. etc.

Also, Manafort is charged with conspiracy against the United States (among other things).

I'm not sure why people keep targeting Donna Brazile with these unfair attacks on her character. Their lack of support for her seems indicative of a lot of racism and sexism imo. I mean, just because she isn't as pure as the driven snow...
I guess the same would be said for Bernie supporters going after her last year? Oh, I would agree Bernie Bros are tinged in some sexism in general, but I don't think the attacks on Brazile then or now have to do with her gender or her race. First it was about her giving a debate question to Hillary and this time it's about putting out salacious claims to sell a book.
 

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Eh, the entire "Bernie Bros" thing is a myth and smear campaign. Actually, it was proven to have originated from one of those Russian troll farms.

If you look at what Bernie Sanders stands for, it's equality across the board. And he's done, and is still doing far more to help the average American than Hillary Clinton ever did. It's why so many progressives flock around him. It's definitely not just "white college guys". That's a falsehood that's been thoroughly debunked.

Nor did Clinton lose because a minority of Sanders supporters didn't want to vote for her. It's amazing how some people seem to think she was entitled to all of Sanders' voters support by default once she became the nominee. Not only was there a reason why she wasn't their first choice to begin with and it was up to her to convince them and she failed at that. But then when you also go and say "but Bernie wasn't even a real Democrat" - then how can you expect his voters to vote Democrat if Sanders is off the table?! Makes no sense. Clearly, Sanders have wider appeal than just registered Democrats.

And a lot of the people who ended up rooting for him but not voting for Clinton might never have voted in this election at all had he not taken part of it, or they would have voted for Stein from the get go. And Trump, being the con man that he is, managed to convince some people who were desperate for change that he too was an "outsider" looking to shake things up and "drain the swamp" (talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing!). Some of those might have originally wanted Sanders to win. And some might never have voted at all. That's how populism works.

But really, it should also tell you something when so many Americans have such disdain for the political establishment, regardless of political affiliations. And the Democrats are totally ignoring this, as they continue to push establishment candidates and claim to be "liberal" just because they are in favour of such basic things as equal rights. And that too is something that turns many regular people off from them. Yes, it's nice that they speak up when transgender people are facing discrimination. But very little talk about the policies that most people are affected by. Trump won so many votes by speaking like a 5 year old and repeating "I'll create more jobs" over and over. That sticks with more people than an issue affecting a very small portion of the country (that's not to say they shouldn't advocate for equal rights to - you can walk and chew gum at the same time). This is also where Sanders got a lot of support during the primaries. He actually talked about things like raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars. It resonated so well with voters it forced Clinton to speak more about it even if she proposed only 12.

But that's why it's good to have primaries. Democrats are afraid of challenging each other and it makes them weaker. Hopefully Feinstein will lose to any of the other younger Democrats who are up against her next year. She is much like Clinton another establishment candidate who mainly gets a pass because she's done a good job in the past. No one is denying that. But it's 2017 and Feinstein is still undecided on Medicare for all despite the majority of Americans being in favour of it, as well as against free college. She's also in favour of the death penalty and for the Patriot Act, but against legalising weed. She's a typical (but sane) right wing candidate by European standards. Like Merkel. That is not someone who should define the American left wing party in 2017 imo, and it seems many Americans disagree which is why there is such buzz surrounding the new candidates who will challenge her.
 

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If you look at what Bernie Sanders stands for, it's equality across the board. And he's done, and is still doing far more to help the average American than Hillary Clinton ever did.
It isn't. Earlier this year he had Democrats in a rage because he wanted to put women's rights on the backburner in his endorsement of a candidate. That's why a woman won over him last year and hopefully another woman would beat him again if he decides to run in 2020.

I call bull on the latter statement. Hillary's group, Onward Together, helped get more candidates elected this week than Bernie has the past year, as well as propelling more women into politics.

But then when you also go and say "but Bernie wasn't even a real Democrat" - then how can you expect his voters to vote Democrat if Sanders is off the table?!
Because if these people really believed in anything they say they stand for rather than worshipping at the altar of Bernie's personality, then they'd still consider someone who actually is in the party better for the economy, equality, the environment, etc. than someone trying to take us back to the '40s or who makes us the only country on the Earth who denies man-made climate change.

And, btw, just to be clear, I don't blame Bernie supporters for Hillary's loss. I personally put the blame for that on Comey/Russia/the media relishing Trump's crazy to increase viewers because they thought he could never win more than anything else. The data shows that the majority of Bernie supporters voted for her in the end. My issue is this portrayal of Democrats as some evil monsters who are only "the lesser of two evils," because it suits Bernie's own agenda. It wasn't even Hillary specifically because 2016 is long over and he's still carrying on with the same bullshit. As much as people say Hillary was only in this for her own ambition, the same is true of Bernie; he doesn't care about anyone but himself.

But really, it should also tell you something when so many Americans have such disdain for the political establishment, regardless of political affiliations. And the Democrats are totally ignoring this, as they continue to push establishment candidates and claim to be "liberal" just because they are in favour of such basic things as equal rights.
Better than people who claim to be "liberal" and then refuse to do what they can to stop someone like Trump from coming into power.

Honestly, the refusal to vote for moderates because they're not promising "enough" freebies for you is only pushing the country further right, which doesn't help their aims at all. You end up with someone as regressive as Trump in office, and now talking about most of these issues is seen as even more fringe left for America than they were last year. Hillary's campaign was lauded as the most liberal in history thanks not only to Bernie pushing her farther left in the primary*, but also 8 years of Obama adjusting the entire country leftwards, but it still wasn't "enough." That's insanity.

*If Hillary was too moderate for your tastes in 2016, part of it probably had to do with the fact that it should've been an easy swoop for Republicans in the first place after two terms of one party in power. Trump being the nominee was the only reason a Democrat looked like they would win again in the first place. She was trying to appeal to those people in the middle who wanted a change in party, but were repulsed by Trump.
 
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