(I see the flood argument a coming!)
you can tell that this kind of thing is getting old /:
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(I see the flood argument a coming!)
‡ƵionΡhnӾ‡;4119644 said:He's not gonna make a valid argument, if he doesn't understand
what your trying to respond to him. Understanding should have been the point
of this thread, but like i said before, It can't be reached if the thread refers to the
reasoning of disliking religion, while being made by someone who isn't religious.
Their is no certain gain until he/she says that it's understandable and worthy of looking
into. I'm not a very religious person but i do understand the points being made by those
who are religious here. For me it's a learning experience, and observation i suppose.
:/In fact up until recently I was a devout Catholic.
People that are constantly trying to disprove my belief (I'm not actually very religious, but whatever) are just as bad as people that try to push their religion on atheists.
Am I the only one who hasn't run into zealous pushy atheists in real life? Because I see all this "but atheists do it too!" and I wonder if they're just referring to the internet.
God's Holy book has nothing moral in it.
Keep in mind here that in the time these books were written, slavery was commonplace and accepted.
Does it say anything in here about the gruesome picture of slavery we have today?
No. It's teaching kindness. Can you even call this slavery? It's in passages next to parent and children and teacher and student.
I don't see anything wrong with it, because it teaches GOODNESS to each other.
You don't see anything wrong with slavery? Seriously? Do you think a few nice words and a pat on the head would make a person forget that he is legally owned by another person? Yes, if you want to leave but your master won't let you, we can indeed call it slavery, and o matter how sugarcoated it is, there's something very, very wrong with it.
Or do you believe that the nice Southerners should've been allowed to keep their cotton plantations?
I sometimes feel the same way. But then this morning on forums elsewhere, I received a private message from a guy I barely know. Several months ago we'd had a long, involved debate about the scientific basis of evolution, in which I'd done my best to point out the obvious fallacies and inaccuracies in his presuppositions. Things actually got pretty heated. But in this PM he said that he's spent the time since doing a lot of research, and no longer considers himself a Christian. He thanked me outright for the fact that he is now able to look critically at how he was conditioned to think in a certain way for his entire life (his words), and also for spending so much time explaining the science behind evolution. He asked me why I even bothered - and the obvious answer is because of guys like him. Because just occasionally, you come across a person who isn't afraid to honestly consider and challenge rationality of their beliefs, and whose mind you can change with rational argument.My policy on discussing my opinions on religion is not to bring it up unless I'm explicitly given the soap box. Mind you, there was a time when I was a rabid Atheist, but years of debating people with opinions that hold no interest and no foundation in reality has made me a little jaded.
Are we so quick to forget that slavery in the Bible was used to justify slavery in 19th century America?
There's no such thing as compassionate slavery. The difference between a slave and a person is that slaves are objects. And if you're capable of viewing your fellow man as an object, fuck you.
Which most people know was used in a twisted way. Even many people in the very same era.
Lets put this in simple terms. Slavery that was going on then, is pretty much what is going on now.
An employee and an employer. A work relationship with a contract. Only difference was, at that time there were specific guidelines for the master to make sure they treated the "slave" right and if he didn't the contract was broken and the "slave" was allowed to go out on his own.
Lets put this in simple terms. Slavery that was going on then, is pretty much what is going on now.
I'd like to use the above quote as another example of why I dislike religion. As you can all see, it's managed to convince people that slavery is justifiable and even has them publicly defending it.
"Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others."
Now whenever you feel slavery is nicer than actual employment, repeat to yourself the definition of slavery 3 times.
But I digress. This thread is taking that turn to debate that I didn't want to go down.
Well if you are going to stand by that modern definition of it and not the fact that the term "slave" was used in a much broader sense in that time and in that culture, then of course your view on the subject matter will not change.