The next random idea is going to be that someone in the org. is Riku's nobody. I pray it doesn't come to that however.
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The next random idea is going to be that someone in the org. is Riku's nobody. I pray it doesn't come to that however.
just as i stated in my above post lol. didn't the part of Namine's name mean something like in Japanese like Nami=Waves or something? i thought that had some connection to her name. that might have just been a theory though...
Nomura probably created a few names or they were in Japanese and scrambled them up. their names nonetheless though...
OMG NO WAIZ i thought for surez that Demyx was Riku's nobody! jk lol.The next random idea is going to be that someone in the org. is Riku's nobody. I pray it doesn't come to that however.
lol something to that degree? ^^;;;Ugh. God. I hate those BS theories. Nobody in the Org. Is Riku's nobody. Riku never became a heartless himself.DT said:OMG NO WAIZ i thought for surez that Demyx was Riku's nobody! jk lol.
about what i mentioned earlier about Nami=waves. does anyone know if that's possible? i thought i read that somewhere here. what does Kairi's name mean in Japanese again. it was likeSo we can pretty much assume no one lied when filling out the application to get into the Org. and all there names are an anagram with and X added somewhere in the mix. So now where does this thread go?
Then why isn't Namine connected to Kairi at all?
Even though Namine isn't an Organization member, it at least clears the fact that Nobodies can have names that don't have anything to do with the original.
The only reason I don't think 7-12 have real names are because:
1. There has never been any confirmation on any of their real names (unless you want Axe to be the Nobody of a drink)
2. There aren't any names that are actually real beyond just "looking alright/pronouncable".
3. The first six members are apprentices, which are more signiciant than anyone else. Also Roxas is probably a special exception.
Afterall, if they had to have their real names with an "x", Xemnas would be some different form of Xehanort.
Edit: Twilight, the point of "who would care" can also support my point. "Who would care if it has an original as long as they each have an 'x' in their name?" Saying their names had to be linked to their original with an 'x' involved could just be an excude to give each Orgniazation member a name with the letter "x" involved.
After watching a cutscene from KH2FM+, I would just like to add why the first six members are speical other than being apprentices. Aka, why 2-6 would be different from 7-12.
Xemnas obviously gave Roxas his name, though beforehand it was clear Roxas didn't have a name. So these Nobodies aren't born with names, Xemnas just gave them a name. Xemnas knew who Roxas was, so he was able to create his name. Xemnas is also Xehanort, but he decided to steal Ansem's name and gave himself a name that corresponded with Ansem.
He also gave the other members their names since he knew their original names. Although, he did not know the names of the other members who joined afterwards except Roxas since he was obviously special.
I know it's not at all for Nomura or any of the other creators to think of names, scramble it up, and throw in an "x".
I'm just simply saying it's a bit coincidental that the people Xemnas knew have names actually decipherable, while the other newcomers do not.
It's also possible they were just told to have a name with the letter "x" in it.
Do not take this next part too critically, but "Demyx" is obviously in close relation to "Remix", and his weapon seems to go along with it. But, I will accept that this may just be mere coincidence.
The reason I say they were told to make up their own name is because Xigbar was the one to recruit Marluxia, yet when he's talking to Zexion, he said he found someone who's name was "Mar-something."
Also as a side note, it's possible this was already mentioned, but if only Larxene didn't have that extra 'r', she would have greatly resembles Elena from the Turks, especially since they also look alike with similar personalities. Axel obviously has a connection (not ingame, though) to Reno...
...which only leaves Rude with no one. He does seem to have a similar personality as Rude (pure physical force, tall, quiet), but they look far too different and have no connection in their names. This paragraph is not related to theory, just small what if's.
Yes, they could. But I don't see why Nomura would bother mentioning 2-6's names without any of the others.
None of their real names were ever discussed in game, and most of the other members are obviously more popular than many of the apprentices. Many people barely know a thing about Lexaeus for his short screentime, and Zexions remains a mystery to many due to his lack of appearence and fighting during the games, although a fight was finally made with him during the Final Mix + Re:CoM. Characters like Marluxia as the final boss of CoM, or even Saix who held a major role in KH2 are generally more characters.
The only thing I can come up with that breaks through and explains that is the fact Xemnas only knew their original names.
I was just assuming he named them since he's the leader of Organization XIII. I know a Nobody isn't required to have an 'X' in their name, but an Organization member does. Since Xemnas is the leader, I basically assumed he came up withthat idea, and out of that named the others. It is also possible the others named themselves, though there's no solid proof stating that, nor is there any proof stating mine. I just took it my way simply for the possibility and how much it could support my statement. But you're right, there probably isn't any solid info as of yet involving Xemnas and him naming anyone else other than Roxas, and most likely himself.Where does it say that Xemnas gave members 2-6 their names? They could have named themselves, since we are told all the Nobodies (with the clear exception of Roxas) remember their past lives, so we'd assume all the members (except Roxas) remember their names. Roxas didn't remember anything about Sora or his past life, and Xemnas knew he was Sora's Nobody, since he'd met Sora earlier (in KH1: FM), so it was only fitting Xemnas name him, being "The Superior" and all.
When I first saw the scene you're referring to, the first thought that came to mind was that Xemnas was performing some magic trick that simply pulled Roxas' (or anyone's) real name and anagrammed it with a 'x.' I didn't think that it required Xemnas knowing his original name. I'm not saying that's what it was; I'm just saying there are other options besides Xemnas naming them all. Unless it really does say somewhere that Xemnas named 2-6 himself. In that case, I'd have to side with you.
That's true. Xemnas probably didn't know 7-12s' real names. They probably knew their own names, though. So they could have named themselves; they could have been told to anagram their names with an 'x' and go by that. Or Xemnas could have pulled off his magic trick on all of them, if it doesn't require knowing their name. It doesn't necessarily mean they just came up with the first name with an 'x' that came to mind and went with that as their name.
That was supposed to go along with my following statement, how only the first six have actual real names, yet none of the others other than Roxas do. You later countered this by revealing some of the names such as Ienzo aren't real. Using google to research this has not helped since only KH-related links pop up, so it's possible some of their names were made up as well.Uh... I don't understand exactly what you mean by that.
Actually, from what I've heard various times on this forum, there's an interview stating how Axel's name is actually Ale, a softdrink. Intended by Nomura for a Reno comparison. But I originally meant their names before becoming nobodies, which I explained in my previous message.What do you mean by "decipherable"? Do you mean "real"? And whose names, the Nobodies in the Organization, or their others' names?
"Ienzo" and "Elaus" (people Xemnas would have known) aren't really real names. "Dilan" and "Even" (more people Xemnas would have known) are real names, I guess.
Axel and Larxene are newcomers. "Axel" can anagram to "Lea" or "Ale" which are real (thought in my opinion, dumb) names. "Larxene" can go to "Relena" or "Arlene" which are definitely real names. So it's not true that all of them have names that aren't real.
If you mean their Nobody names, none of them are real. (Except maybe Axel's name.)
I missed the part where he said "new", actually. I assume you just looked that up, so I'll take your word for it. It throws my point a bit off of what I intended it to mean."You shouldn't be able to afford wasting time around here." Zexion
"I'm doing enough work already! Found another one just yesterday. I think his new name is 'Mar' something or other." Xigbar
(Thanks to KH-Vids)
I don't know if the translation is correct, but if it is, I take it to mean that Marluxia was only recently his new name and Xigbar didn't (care to) remember it. (Xigbar doesn't seem the type to remember nor care for remembering names, either.) I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at, but I don't think it implies that either Marluxia was an anagram of his original name or that Marluxia was a whole new name.
I apologize, I made an error here. When I said "He does seem to have a similar personality as Rude", I actually meant to type Lexaeus. If the Nomura interview is true, Axel is similar to Reno. Larxene and Elena can be seen as similar, which only left Rude as a person I couldn't put in. Of course he doesn't have to have someone similar, but what I originally wanted to say was he would probably fit Rude. Rude, I would assume, is one of the more quiet members, like Lexaeus seems to be due to low screentime. I would also want to say Rude is more unnoticed, but Elena joins the Turks later on in the game, which might make her seem to be the less popular. Come to think of it, Larxene is also newer compared to the other two, but mere coincidense.=) It also leaves Tseng with no one, if you're going with all the Turks.
I never really thought of Axel being similar to Rude, but I think you're right. Interesting to think about.
Yeah, that does make sense actually. Moreso, a good reason to state the names of the early members opposed to the other members.Because there hasn't ever been ta good time to introduce 7-12s' names. When and where could they have done it without adding new scenes, taking up more space, adding more dialogue or lines, all for what he probably considers to be really unnecessary? 2-6, however, have to be in the Secret Ansem Reports, which happens to be a perfect time to introduce their names. In fact, if he hadn't introduced their names, he would have had to have used descriptions (i.e. "The oldest," "The smartest," "The one with brown hair," etc.) to point out which apprentice he was talking about. That would make things unnecessarily confusing, especially for the younger kids reading the reports, right?
Actually, what I was focusing on more was how little screentime they gave to members like Lexaeus and Zexion, especially since they're in an "extra" part of the more popular CoM. I was thinking if he saw them important enough to bother giving them names, he probably would have given them a better role, while more noticed members such as Marluxia (being the final boss) had no solid name. But your previous message about almost needing to give the apprentices actual name counters what I was trying to say anyway.When the creators were making the game(s), how were they supposed to know that their North American audience would fall in love with Demyx; no one would care about Xaldin; and it was a (huge) mistake to give Luxord almost no screen-time? They didn't know who would be more popular than whom, they just saw and created a good time to introduce 2-6s' names, and there was no good opportunity for 7-12s'.
You mean what explains the lack of explaining 7-12s' names? There just wasn't a very good opportunity or a very good reason. Or maybe it will end up being important later, or there'll be a perfect time for them (7-12s' others) to show up in later games (hopefully, BBS or 358/2 Days). Or maybe they just forgot. I don't know and I'm not sure we can know until later.
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