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RoD = Realm of Darkness
RoI = Realm of Inbetween
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RoD = Realm of Darkness
RoI = Realm of Inbetween
So I’ve got a double header for you guys today.
Two theories. They’re not entirely unrelated- in fact, one lead me to think of the other, which is why I am placing them in the same topic (because one of my theory topics is bad enough as it is).
First off, MF’s identity.
I’m just going to come out and say it- MF is MX’s first Nobody. (I admit, recently I said I was leaning against the idea of a Nobody, but I’m worse than John Kerry with flip flops)
You may argue that a Heartless was not created and thus MX couldn’t have formed a Nobody, but I direct you to this post:
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Long story short, a Heartless does not have to be made in order for a Nobody to be created, that was a rule that was only established in the fandom.
Nomura himself has not denied the possibility that MX created a Nobody when questioned. If what the fandom said was true, it could have been ruled out instantly.
So, anyway, MX made a Nobody. I know, I know. You don’t like the idea of it. Yeah, I get it. We already had a Nobody for the villain, Xemnas, and they’re making another one. I understand. But bear in mind that I probably wouldn’t have even made this topic if I didn’t think there was a reason for this, so sit tight.
You’ll note that MF even has a somewhat similar battle stance to MX (hunched over, right hand above the head, left arm outstretched). However, there’s a problem. Even if his battle stance is slightly hunched, we can see that MF can stand straight up. And he’s quite... acrobatic. Much more sprightly than MX. What gives? Shouldn’t MX’s Nobody look and act like Geezernort himself?
You’d be correct. But this is where the element of time comes in.
You guys may be glad to hear that this part of the theory does not necessarily have to include time travel.
There’s no question that MF has something to do with time. The time reversal in battle, No Name, both point to time. But perhaps I’ve been thinking of it in the wrong sense. Not time travel, but life time.
As in, MF doesn’t have the kind of power where he can go to the past or future, but he has power over his own age. He can make himself younger!
And that’s exactly what MX wanted. To be young again. To live forever, or to at least live long enough to see what exists beyond the keyblade war. The attributes of Organization XIII are often based on the members’ personalities and desires (eg Lexaeus being stoic, Axel being passionate, etc). So even though, yes, it is somewhat of a rip off of Luxord’s power, it would make sense for MX’s Nobody to have power over time. The extent of it is in question, though that’s not important to my theory for the time being.
Is that all it takes, though? Just a desire? Well, there is a more concrete explanation I’ve had in mind in conjunction with that.
Just to clarify, I am saying that MF is MX’s Nobody, taking on the appearance of Young MX.
So how did young MX get to be his basic form?
It has to do with the fate of MX’s heart.
I reiterate that one does not need a Heartless to produce a Nobody. Nonetheless, there is something about the heart that I can see being an influence on one facet of Nobodies- age.
Remember that when a heart is lost to a Heartless, it is in a state of sleep. In this sleep, time is suspended. And Nobodies don’t age, which may be because of this connection to their heart (after all, their looks depend on the strength of their heart).
But what of a Nobody whose heart is still active? Hypothetically, the Nobody would age.
On a side note, this explains Namine. She is the one Nobody who has without a doubt aged, and yet we have no idea why. There’s your answer. Her heart (Kairi’s) was still active, so she aged along with Kairi.
So, what about MX? His heart went to Terra’s vessel. His heart fused with Terra’s, and he attained youth. Thus, his Nobody also reflects this change. That, in combination with MX’s desire for time, is what created MF’s looks and powers.
But... still, why? What purpose does it serve in the plot, having a Young MX Nobody?
And that, my friends, is the start of my second theory. Now we’re getting into the truth about Xehanort.
As a disclaimer, I’ve mentioned this theory before, perhaps in a slightly different form. I even started to have a similar idea running in a rather short lived fan fic of mine. And that’s sort of the problem. There isn’t a whole lot of evidence for it, so I almost preferred to contain it to the realm of fan fiction. But there is some evidence which I’d like to present to you guys (one bit of which I just recently discovered). So... bear with me. It’ll all fit together.
I don’t know if you guys noticed, but there are some curious mysteries about MX. For starters:
It is implied that Xehanort discovered details about the X-Blade in his travels. Something that was not even known to Eraqus. It was an ancient mystery, likely long forgotten. Where did he make this discovery? Or perhaps, who gave him this information?
But that’s not all that’s curious about MX:
We know his motives for leaving are a direct parallel to Riku. And with destiny being so prevalent in KH, history is apt to repeat itself.
We might even say, here, that this quote describes Xehanort as much as it does Riku. Xehanort is the one to originally think of Destiny Islands as a “prison.”
So, Xehanort opened himself to darkness, like Riku (or rather, the other way around). What happened to Riku?
He... got an uninvited guest.
Like Riku, Xehanort claims to not fear the darkness. Pay close attention to that last line though: “so long as I found the strength to control it.” A bit of a qualification...
Surely, though, Xehanort was strong enough to control the darkness, to not let anything or anyone influence him, right?...
That quote jumped out at me when I was recently re-watching scenes. Xehanort does not answer Eraqus’ question. It sounds curiously dismissive and foreboding.
If you haven’t figured it out yet, I am saying that MX fell to the same trap as Riku. He was lured in by a dark entity.
Who? Well, what evidence do we have of a dark entity existing in MX’s heart? We know of one- the Guardian.
When we first see the Guardian in BbS, I don’t believe that is his time of creation. He is clearly a Heartless, he has all the traits of one. So where is the lost heart? Yes, Terra’s heart was taken over, but so was Riku’s, and no Heartless was produced.
That leads to the conclusion that the Guardian must have existed prior to MX’s possession of Terra. Given how MX in Terra’s body controls the Guardian with a sense of familiarity (it’s not as though he was surprised to have this dark entity pop out of him), I am inclined to believe he has been residing in MX’s heart this whole time.
Like Riku letting in Ansem, Xehanort let in the Guardian. I mean, he was aware of the existence of the Heartless, so this should come as no surprise.
But what’s so special about the Guardian? I have an idea.
Remember that when Nomura was called out on the Heartless in BbS, he replied saying that the Heartless have existed for a “long time.” Not forever. A long time. There had to be a point when they were created.
We know that while not an exact history, the fairy tale has some parallels with real life. It basically describes the Keyblade War. But what of this event where “darkness was born in their hearts.” Well, I wouldn’t say everyone was pure-hearted before the keyblade war. But this indicates something else- the creation of the Heartless. Darkness was literally “born,” it was given life from the greed and hate produced in that war.
And if the Heartless haven’t always existed, then there was a first Heartless. I believe the Guardian was the first Heartless. It was around to witness the Keyblade War and the pursuit of the X-Blade.
This is how MX found out. He ditched his armor, he opened himself to darkness and contacted the Dark Realm. In those depths, a voice eventually answered. And it manipulated him, allowing it to take refuge in MX’s heart. It lied to him about there being an imbalance between the light and darkness. In his deception, MX became corrupted by the darkness.
But the Guardian wasn’t just in it to take over MX’s body. It was patient and allowed MX to retain control. A Heartless cannot use a keyblade since it has no heart. So long as the Guardian silently influenced MX, he could put the keyblade to good use.
I know this makes Xehanort a Matryoshka doll, which is a put off. He’s a person within a person within a person, etc. And this just adds one step. But when you look at things from a larger perspective, this makes sense. The Guardian has taken (or at least tried to take) the hearts of MX, Terra, and Riku. He’s accumulating hearts, like a Heartless does. He is a parasite, jumping from one vessel to the next.
As for the name “Xehanort,” I don’t think that’s MX’s real name. Remember a while ago how Nomura said that the anagram “No Heart” would be important? Well, since it is in MX’s name, it still applies. Now, while you could think of “No Heart” as an indicator of a Nobody, and it can certainly be interpreted that way, there is another way to look at it. No Heart=Heartless. It’s a different way of saying Heartless. Thus, this is actually the Guardian’s name. Before the Heartless received their name, he was given one. No Heart. And he assumed a new identity in Xehanort.
Very well thought out.But what about MX? What’s his true name? We don’t know. At the moment, he is nameless. Hence, when you fight MF, you receive the keyblade “No Name.”
Eh, I'd rather not.Speaking of MF, this is how the two theories tie together. How would we get to know all of this past information about Young MX? Through MF. I would say that MF will be the antagonist for BbSv2, fighting Aqua in the dark realm. Or maybe not quite an “antagonist.” His intentions aren’t clear at this point. And he will know about his past because he has MX’s memories.
Notice how when Aqua meets Terranort, he’s still a bit hazy. Then after the fight, he supposedly loses all of his memories, sans his own name. I am suggesting that, yes, he did lose at least most of his memories. When he struck himself with the keyblade, no heart was released, but then what was? His memories, and they found their way to the original vessel.
That is also how we know that MF will die. These memories will be returned to Xehanort.
So... that’s it. Have at it.
I'm confused as to how you can undoubtedly say Namine has aged. To me she seemed like the same girl from CoM to KH2.
Which game is that younger render from? Re: CoM?
I would not say Guardian is a Heartless just because he looks like one. I think of him more as just a manifestation of pure darkness. A Heartless may be the darkness of a heart, but I say Guardian is pure darkness that appears when beings of darkness (Ansem, Riku, Terranort) are in need. He comes to guard, protect, and fight for them. Heartless work off of instinct and are unable to think and plan. The only known exception was Ansem SoD. Guardian may be another exception to the rule, but I say he's above that. Maybe he's the one who's pulling the strings on this whole thing.
A Heartless, technically, IS a heart.
Let me put this in layman's terms so even you can understand.
I HAVE a heart, yeah? It's mine. I use it.
So how about if I EAT a heart. And it sits there in my stomach.
Do you say that, based on the heart I ate, that I HAVE a heart? No, I have a heart because of the former case.
The latter case is a metaphor for the Heartless. They are darkness of the heart made real and they LACK hearts. They don't HAVE a heart like I do. But they DO, however, CONSUME hearts with their darkness. For Purebloods, the heart is completely consumed (let's say "digested" in our metaphor) and sent to the Realm of Darkness. For Emblems, the heart sits within (their "stomachs") in a captive state. But just because they have that heart inside them DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE HEARTS. This is proven by the fact that they don't feel, they don't have memories, etc. Oh, and right, the game SAYS they LACK HEARTS. And that they're the HEART'S DARKNESS.
Now THIS is interesting. So you mean to suggest that the enemy "No Heart" in FM is actually the Guardian in the armor?
Yes. I suppose the surface explanation is KH2 Namine would have been taller than Sora, so they had to make accomodations.
Between the black skin, the yellow eyes, the antennae, and the heart shaped cavity I don't think there's much reason not to think the Guardian is a Heartless. None of the first three features are necessarily exclusive to heartless, but the heart shaped hole is a dead giveaway. The only creatures we know in the series to have those are Darkside, Invisibles, and Heartless of that nature. It's there to show that... they are literally without hearts, they are heartless. If the Guardian wasn't a Heartless, I don't think it would have looked characteristically like one.
No, it's not. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in the fandom.
You said it yourself in the quote above, the Heartless are the heart's darkness, they are not hearts. It is also continually emphasized that the Heartless do actually lack Hearts, in both the Ansem Reports and the Secret Ansem Reports.
I actually argued tooth and nail with a member called Pratiko about this. Funny enough, it's in the link goldpanner gave: here. I suggest you read the... civil conversation between the two of us.
If not, at least understand this:
This is not a theory of mine, this is fact. I understand it is a big misconception because the series kind of does a poor job of clarifying. Rest assured, the only place you're ever going to see the idea that a Heartless is a heart is on forums, and not in the games, or any Nomura interviews. As I said, we know that Heartless are the darkness of the heart and that they, as said in AR/SAR lack hearts.
No, I'm not going to theorize on No Heart because he isn't canon and the only thing that I can make of him doesn't even matter to this theory.
Maybe that was simply an error. KH2 was made before Re:COM and Namine was made to look like Kairi (loosely) which means her appearance was not based on Kairi when she lost her heart, but rather long after she gained it.Even in the original CoM, Namine is shorter than Sora and has a younger face. I think the developers consciously made her appear older in KH2. If KH2 Namine was the default model, then she would have been taller than Kairi when she was born.
Either way, one model was made to appear a clearly different age from the other.Maybe that was simply an error. KH2 was made before Re:COM and Namine was made to look like Kairi (loosely) which means her appearance was not based on Kairi when she lost her heart, but rather long after she gained it.
Officially, Kairi (and Sora) age from 14 (KH1) to 15 (KH2). And it's certainly not impossible to grow that much in a year.Besides, the whole aging system in KH2 was completely messed up. In one year Kairi grew from 5 to 17.
Either way, one model was made to appear a clearly different age from the other.
Officially, Kairi (and Sora) age from 14 (KH1) to 15 (KH2). And it's certainly not impossible to grow that much in a year.
And hopefully this discussion doesn't turn out to be as...colorful as that one. Think back to KH1 when Sora runs into the Second District and witnesses a man fall down after being chased by Heartless. His heart rises up, is engulfed in darkness and turns into a Heartless. When Sora defeats an enemy such as this, a Heart is released (by only Emblem Heartless I think? I'm a bit confused on that)
If Nobodies are beings that lack hearts, and Heartless are beings that lack hearts, then I don't see much of a difference between a Nobody and a Heartless.
AR said:One thing I am sure of is that they are entirely devoid of emotion. Perhaps further study will unlock the mysteries of the heart.
Fortunately, there is no shortage of test samples. They are multiplying underground even as I write this report. They still need a name. Those who lack hearts... I will call them the Heartless.
Maybe that was simply an error. KH2 was made before Re:COM and Namine was made to look like Kairi (loosely) which means her appearance was not based on Kairi when she lost her heart, but rather long after she gained it.
The way he words it, "similar to the way the Lingering Sentiment was" implies that the MF is an entirely different type of being that we don't yet know about.—This new character must be someone involved in the story, right?
NOMURA: I think it’d seem so, but at the point in time of Birth by Sleep, this person’s true figure isn’t fully understood. Similar to the way the Lingering Sentiment was, its a character who at the present time is an existence of mystery.